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Published Date: 27 July 2009
ORGANISERS of the huge clan gathering staged in Edinburgh over the weekend have revealed plans to make it a regular fixture as it emerged the economic benefits could be more than double that anticipated.
Officials who spent more than two years masterminding The Gathering last night admitted it would be "fantastic" to try to replicate its huge success, after more than 60,000 people flocked to events in the capital on Saturday and Sunday.

They believe the event – which included the world's biggest Highland Games, a spectacular parade up the Royal Mile and a pageant on Edinburgh Castle's Esplanade – could become Scotland's answer to the Olympics.

But they have warned it would need at least four years "breathing space" between each event to help raise funds and ensure interest in the concept did not wane around the world.

Tourism leaders added their support to the idea of The Gathering becoming a regular fixture, saying it could help treble the worth of "ancestral tourism" to more than £180 million.

Bumper attendances – well over 47,000 people came to Holyrood Park over the two days of The Gathering and an estimated 20,000-strong crowd watched the Royal Mile parade – are said to have "far surpassed" the expectations of event director Jamie Sempill and his team.

There were huge queues inside and outside the main arena on Saturday as warm sunshine tempted thousands of people without tickets to just turn up.

Saturday night saw a gigantic crowd descend on the Royal Mile to watch more than 6,000 clan members parade to the Esplanade, where Aisling's Children was staged.

Predicted bad weather yesterday failed to materialise, and crowds continued to flood through the gates.

The Red Hot Chilli Pipers, Battlefield Band, Dougie MacLean and Capercaillie were among the biggest draws over the weekend, while huge crowds watched the Highland Games action unfold in the main arena.

The Gathering, the centrepiece event of Scotland's Year of Homecoming celebrations, received a total of £400,000 in public funding, from the Scottish Government, Edinburgh City Council, Scottish Enterprise and EventScotland. However, the event cost an estimated £1.5 million to stage and was heavily underwritten by commercial sponsors, including Diageo and Caledonian Breweries.

Mr Sempill said: "It would be absolutely fantastic to do the event again. It obviously couldn't be held on an annual basis because of the costs involved and the logistics of putting it all together.

"I think we would have to see it along similar lines to the Olympic Games or European Football Championships, as it is such a huge undertaking.

"Although the concept very much came out of the idea for having a Year of Homecoming, the brand is strong enough to stand on its own two feet.

"The buzz around the arena has been absolutely phenomenal all weekend and all our expectations were surpassed."

VisitScotland officials have already declared The Gathering a huge success and said the most recent estimates that it could bring an £8m boost to the economy were already being seen as "conservative".

Ewan Colville, VisitScotland's marketing manager for North America and Australasia, said: "The economic benefit estimates were based on full attendees spending around nine to ten days in Scotland during their visit. However, we have spoken to a large number of people who have been here for three to four weeks and it may be that the average stays works out at two to three weeks.

"We could be looking at an overall economic benefit of some £20m once all the final evaluations are done."

Mr Colville said it was hoped one of the main legacies of The Gathering would be to develop the nation's ancestral tourism.

"Our research shows that Scotland currently gets around 90,000 visitors a year who have been motivated to come here by their ancestral links," he said. "We believe the potential is out there to get that number of visitors up to the 300,000 mark.

"The Gathering has been a huge success … it's certainly worth looking at having one every four or five years."

Councillor Steve Cardownie, the city's festivals and events champion, said: "The Gathering has proved to be a tremendous success for the city and a fantastic welcome home to the thousands of clansfolk."

IN NUMBERS

47,000
The number of people who came through the gates to watch the Highland Games in Holyrood Park

20,000
Estimated crowd that lined the Royal Mile to watch the parade of clan members on Saturday.

124
Number of clans and societies represented at The Gathering over the weekend.

200
Number of performers to take part in Aisling's Children, the pageant staged on the Esplanade of Edinburgh Castle.

400
Number of participants in the official Highland Dancing competition.


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  • Last Updated: 26 July 2009 9:25 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Homecoming
 
1

Castaway™ ,

27/07/2009 00:05:34
#1/#2/#3 - Don't be envious of the Scottish people.
2

Am Fògarrach,

27/07/2009 00:54:13
#1/#2/#3 -

We know both of you (or is there only one of you?) hate to see any any good thing happen for Scotland.

Too bad somebody can't scrap you.

3

Edward,

27/07/2009 01:20:54
What is annoying is the likes of the BBC ignoring the event,also the lack of any possitive coverage on TV and Radio
4

Edward,

27/07/2009 01:23:18
The comments form 'sufuR back' and 'Cedric Kessler' are pathetic, but what to expect from people that want to keep Scotland down
5

BROONISDOOMED,

27/07/2009 01:51:17
#6 is the same person as 1,2 and 3,if you cant say anything positive then clear off
6

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27/07/2009 01:52:07
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Brianwci,

27/07/2009 01:55:03
Captain Mannering and Cedrick the Buffoon are good entertainment and absolutely predictable. A bit like their British Nationalist masters at the Scotsman. I passed the building yesterday and saw not one flag on their flagpoles.....no surprise there.

Well thank you Scotsman for helping the tourist effort during the Gathering. Didn't stop them having a huge stand at the Gathering of course, trying to fleece the tourists.

Compare the Scotsman building to the Carlton Hotel on the Bridges. FOUR large Saltires flying above their elegant front. Well played the Carlton.

And well played St John's Church at the West End who made heroic efforts to overcome serious logistical problems to get their Saltire flying in time for the Gathering. Thanks to both organisations.
8

Canada,

Canada 27/07/2009 02:15:24
Well done! Never mind the cynics, they are always with us. Let Scotland flourish!
9

Fifi la Bonbon,

27/07/2009 02:34:57
As others have said, the claim of £20m econmic benefit is a bit dodgy and it would be good to know who actually benefited, and what the £400,000 of public funds bought. Good coverage for Diageo and Caledonian, which is pretty ironic, for their £1.5m sponsorship.

However, 47,000 paying customers is a pretty good result.

One thing, though - I see in the Herald that traditional summer galas across Scotland are under threat because of a lack of financial backing and public support - with some forced to cancel altogether this year. Would the £400,000 have been better spent in places like Inverkeithing, Rosyth and the like?

10

Cynicus Unbound,

27/07/2009 02:58:42
"It was a load of kitsch. "-#7,Doctor sufuR back from the Firefly Springer Walrus -the Creature from Outer Space

I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Rufus,

From the teeth-grinding embarrassment of the Connery, Lulu et al ad for "Homecoming Year" to the March of the Kiltie Caul' Bums in Princes Street this is monumental kitsch on a Brigadoonesque scale.

"Alas, poor country!
Almost afraid to know itself. It cannot
Be call'd our mother, but our grave"

(Macbeth, Act 4 Scene III)

(PS #2,3 Cedric: you do a terrific Rufus impersonation -close, but no cigar.)
11

Am Fògarrach,

27/07/2009 04:27:56
15 Cynicus -

If Cedic and Group Captain Firefly had their way, Scotland would already be in its grave.
12

Tracker,

27/07/2009 04:30:41
It is not easy to assess the economic case for things like this. People involved with running them (getting taxpayers' money) are always quick to tell us how well that money has been spent and that with more money things will be better next time.

The event cost £1.5 million to stage and as someone above said - who got the £8 million, or is it £20 million?
13

john z,

edinburgh 27/07/2009 06:42:45
A great day for Scotland.

Ignore the idiotic naysayers above. They just want to see Scotland on its knees, to make us dependent upon engerland.

It is a great idea to do this again, as it seems to have had a huge impact on Scottish Tourism.

Meanwhile, we in Scotland are still paying to re develop East London for the england Olympic games. I'd rather my taxes were spent in Scotland, rather than being squandered in East London.

Anyway, the Homecoming has been great so far, and doesn't end until St.Andrews day festivities in November. This week, the focus moves to Lewis and Islay (golf).
14

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 27/07/2009 06:44:12
Some really m iserable posts, at the beginning, It looked great from my computer, I don't like crowds but for those that do it looked a terrific event, and the good weather on Saturday did those images proud, lovely photos. A good positive image of Scotland, what fantastic scenery, ye cannae whack it, will ye no come back again and all that stuff, brings a wee lump to my throat!
15

Real Labour,

27/07/2009 06:51:50
1&2 - idiot chops/chimps. Do all the old firm supporters come in from abroad too watch?

eejit.
16

Real Labour,

27/07/2009 06:56:19
Cedric/Rufus"Is this some kind of joke?

£20 million economic benefit, to who exactly?

This event makes a loss and they want to hold it on a regular basis.

Scrap it now."
Yes. the whail of the beaten, confused and scared.

"Group Captain Lionel Mandrake aka SM753,26/07/2009 21:29:10

Good grief.

The lid of the shortbread tin still makes money.

Still, if it sells, it sells..."

Or if it fills your heart with national pride, for a London based alleged Scot I bet it makes you cringe.
Whats it like too have so much disdain for the country you allege too come from?
17

Real Labour,

27/07/2009 06:58:50
#14 - Fifif glad my lesson has began to hit home. You have obviously realised your nay saying diatribe is having the effect of turning the Labour support of. Nice try, pitty the hearts still the same.

Cynical JSH git.

18

Calum Crubag,

27/07/2009 07:07:03
Sad to see the first 3 postings whinging. Especially as this was't a political event. Labour/Libdems started the ball rolling when they were in power, and the SNP brought it to fruition.

Some people hate to see Scots enjoying themselves and celebrating their culture.

I think the whole 'clan' thing is contrived but if some folk want to enjoy it, then let them.

The whisky was excellent btw...
19

Unionist Voice,

27/07/2009 07:41:56
Posts #1, #2, #3 cedric

good work, admiring your enthusiasm and dedication etc, but as a word from the wise, sitting posting 3 posts in a row, over an hour, when no one replies, just looks a tad lonely and mentalist!
20

James Dow,

Voluntari 27/07/2009 07:43:37
In four year's time we will be only one year away from the 700th anniversary of Bannockburn. Maybe the organisers should thuink about making it a fiove year gap.
21

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

27/07/2009 07:45:39
What a wonderful couple of days of events and celebrations, thoroughly enjoyed by both visitors and locals alike.

Apart from the much needed immediate boost to the local economy in the midst of a recession, this weekend will have far reaching and permanent positive effects to the economy of the country as a whole.

With the show-casing of our science and technology industries as well as increasing our profile as a tourist destination, this has been a marvellous triumph for all those involved in promoting our Nation.

Well done to all concerned!
22

Unionist Voice,

27/07/2009 07:52:11
#1.#2#3#,#6 Rufus, Cedric

great posts and good work.

I feel the more we Unionists sneer at successful initiatives which generate revenue for Scotland the more successful we will be politically.

23

Jambos49,

tynecastle 27/07/2009 08:05:57
I dont care if there is a even a fraction of a "economic benefit" (and why does there have to be an economic benefit in everything anyway?), i dont want those kilted freakazoids coming back to my place again!! The homecoming was a social and cultural emabarassment. It was like a return to 17th century feudalism. How is that relevant to 21st century Scotland?! Nonsense!!
24

Colin McIntyre,

Edinburgh 27/07/2009 08:12:48
I was at the event as part of Clan MacIntyre. It was a huge success and anyone who suggests that it should be scrapped or was a waste of time has a very blinkered outlook. Yes, there were many from overseas who visited out tent and who were perhaps initially attracted by the "shortbread tin" images. So what? its good for tourism. However, there were many locals from Scotland who came along to find out about a piece of their history that they knew nothing about. Many left wanting more and we have made some excellent contacts because of The Gathering. Look past the superficial fluff and you will see that there are many Scots who know nothing of their history. Is it relevant? Of course it is. Not only for the initial tourism but to fill an obvious gap in peoples knowledge about where they came from. Sadly, many of the tourists had a better knowledge of Scottish history than the locals.
25

bonhommedubois,

27/07/2009 08:26:38
An entrepreneur comes up with an idea to bring US and foreign tourists over here in the depth of the world's worst recession since 1929.

Tourists come for 2-3 weeks, spend money in taxis, restaurants, shops, ice-cream vans, pubs whatever...and then travel up through the Highlands, staying in B&B's...
A whole bunch of ordinary people in Edinburgh turn up for a bit of fun and a day out for the kids...

...and half of you so-called Scots wheel out the cynical, mean, nasty, screwed up sour logic that somehow this isn't a good thing.

How depressing.


26

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

27/07/2009 08:27:58
29 Jambos49,

Which place is “your place” exactly, and who gave you ownership of it?
27

Peekay,

27/07/2009 08:32:28
#30. But there's the rub. It was not about Scottish history, it was about the history of the Highlands as filtered through the eyes of Queen Victoria. Did your ancestors really dress up in that ridiculous outfit?
I am a Lowland Scot and proud of the part that my ancestors played at Culloden - on the winning side. This was supposed to be a celebration of Burns anniversary(an internationally known poet unmatched by anything from Gaeldom), an man who knew the highland clan system for waht it was - a system to keep the common man in his place.
28

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27/07/2009 08:33:38
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eric,

27/07/2009 08:36:19
Its only a little bit of what Scotland is about,i love the western isles and Argyll,you dont see the gaels with kilts on and the music is more traditional,
even GLasgows finnieston and west end has a great gaelic vib about it ,it feels real not postcardy!
30

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/07/2009 08:56:40
#7 Idiot.

It was a Labour initiative.
31

Real Labour,

27/07/2009 09:16:53
24 answer the question arrogant one.
32

JWW,

JWW,. Whitburn,West Lothian, 55.86667 -3.68500 27/07/2009 09:26:59
Could not help but notice that the shops from the Castle to the Palace were lined with “Gold”.

Talk about a monopoly.
33

Americanbob,

27/07/2009 09:35:04
#31 Bonhomme Richard..(sorry Dubois)
Don't take the decryers of this event too seriously, they have their own narrow political objective to follow.
They do not represent the majority of Scots who wish to see their country succeed as a Nation in it's own right and, as #34 so succinctly puts it they are, "in reality one rather sad individual"
34

Phil C,

27/07/2009 09:35:09
Ignoring the negative moaners on her, this was a great show of Scottishness, private and commercial. Foreign tourists love the kitchier side and it was clear that most participants just enjoyed showing that they were Scots, or liked Scotland.

Great stuff. Well done to all.
35

JC1,

Glasgow 27/07/2009 09:36:18
For the love of God, No! let's get rid of this kitsch forever, and tell all the fake 'clan chiefs' and their minions in the victorian fake kilts to go elsewhere. Disneyland perhaps?
36

Americanbob,

27/07/2009 09:39:09
#40 Cedric Kessler,27/07/2009 09:28:32
"Petty name calling"... Well Cedric if you would stick to using just one name mebbe that wouldn't happen!
37

Heather B,

Anstruther 27/07/2009 09:48:01
Great to hear a Scottish event that everyone gets behind...

Love to hear those who decry the wearing of Tartan, as they walk about dressed in their Nike, Adidas, or Kappa trackie bottoms. What a parcel of dunderheids in a nation!
38

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 27/07/2009 10:11:05
JC1 #44, my clan chief is no fake. His lineage can be traced back to the 1100's. You've either got no Scottish connection or had parents that never thought it important to teach you about your heritage. You (and the other negative doom and gloomers on here) are a prime example of what happens when a person is raised on ignorance of their history.
I remember going to the Cowal games with my family as a boy. We'd get the ferry to Dunoon and have a great day out. The best part of all was when the massed pipe bands marched down the high street and even as a 6 year old, I could feel my heart stir and the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. When I visit my clan's graveyard, I get the same feeling. You might not get it, but from all corners of the world, thousands of others do and for that, Scotland is blessed.
My sons will be brought up to enjoy and celebrate their culture. What will yours do? Will you teach them your bitterness? Will your family forever raise bitter, moaning whingers? If so, then you are wasting your lives.
(Do you think there are loads of people in Ireland who whinge and moan about the St Patrick day celebrations? What about the North American Indians - do you think there are thousands who despise those that try to keep their culture and traditions alive?)
39

aljok.23,

the world 27/07/2009 10:27:37
#26 James Dow. Fantastic idea . There is no need for Edinburgh to be hosts every time . In fact the same scenario as was on Saturday, can be re-enacted at every town or city who boasts a castle or stately house. Stirling next then? A rolling event which is granted to a new town/city over the forthcoming century. After all , It is homecoming Scotland. All of Scotland ought to be touched by this event in a more personal way and Edinburgh is not the epitomy of Scotland. Location planned well ahead(10 years?) and the world is welcome. The worlds interest will be the winners for it. I hope by that time we wont have to rely on the BBC to cover it.
40

Navvy,

27/07/2009 10:57:19
An excellent weekend, good weather and a real family affair with very little brigadoon in it.

Let us celebrate all aspects of our mongrel nation - Picts, Scots, Gaels, Norse, Britons, Saxons

Interesting to read about the other isde of Diageo
41

JC1,

Glasgow 27/07/2009 11:02:17
#47 for the record I'm Scottish, but it's of no relevance to this. What concerns me is that a 'gathering' of this sort is held up to represent something of meaning when it is basically a kitsch invention based around a throwback to a feudal society which no longer exists, dressed up with invented tartan colours. I take it you kneel before your 'chief' then?
42

Geoff,

sa 27/07/2009 11:03:24
A wonderful event!
43

Darien,

Panama 27/07/2009 11:05:58
The British Nationalists don't like it upem - the usual drivel from them.

Celebrating anything Scottish is not their bag. And celebrating Scotland and the Scots on this sort of scale makes them see red. Here they witness the power of Scots, and they don't like it one bit.

To them Scotland can never be any more than a region of their beloved British 'nation'. That is what Scotland means to British nationalists - nothing.
44

AJ Fife,

27/07/2009 11:20:14
Despite being a rancid onionist, wee Joke McConnell got it right when he managed to dream this event up.

Credit where credit is due!

Isn't it funny how our regular Brit nats don't seem to remember whose idea this event was?
45

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 27/07/2009 11:26:38
#50. That's a woeful post. I am proud of my heritage and my clan and you are just a whinger.
46

AJ Fife,

27/07/2009 11:32:18
Hi #30,

Are you the Mull Historical Society?
47

Colin McIntyre,

Edinburgh 27/07/2009 11:42:21
#55 No I'm not, we just share the same name, but he was involved in our own Gathering last year.

#50 Why would we kneel before a chief? Your comment highlights your complete lack of understanding about the Clans and their history.
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AJ Fife,

27/07/2009 11:53:01
#56,

I'm very pleased to make your aquaintance nevertheless.

The other Colin is one hell of a talent - great albums and great in concert. It's a pity he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

A good man to have in the McIntyre Clan though!
49

Colin McIntyre,

27/07/2009 11:55:57
#56 Slainte!
50

Jayarr56,

27/07/2009 11:57:17
Oh for God's sake, what a negative bunch of whingers!
Can't you appreciate the joy some people feel in celebrating their heritage?...why they do when there is such a joyless undercurrent within Scotland is beyond me. If we could only harness such corrosive sentiment and turn it around, we'd be the greatest Nation on Earth.
As Burns said, "O wad some Power the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see us."
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27/07/2009 12:01:45
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Phil C,

27/07/2009 12:02:09
#44 #50 JC1

I don't think many people like you or your sour little views! This was not a political gathering, but just good old-fashioned nationalism. Great!

If you and your ilk, Lionel and Cedric, don't like it then look the other way. Vinegar on your chips?
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Sgian Achlais,

27/07/2009 12:13:42
33Peekay, 27/07/2009 08:32:28
#30. .....I am a Lowland Scot and proud of the part that my ancestors played at Culloden - on the winning side.


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Which part in particular makes you proud of your ancestors behaviour at Culloden. The battle was only the beginning of the story. Immediately after the battle they started murdering, buring, raping, robbing and this did not just happen for a few days this happened for years. It was intentional genocide.

The Lowland Scots Dragoons and their English Commanders and Officers destroyed the Highlands, starved the people, evicted farmers, burned houses, stole all the cattle killed what ever they could men, women, children and the old. Sold Scotsmen into Slavery or just transported them on ships. It was a rampage of utter barbaric behaviour by the forces of Parliament in London to wipe the Highlanders of Scotland and it was not just the Clans that took part in the battles it was all the people of the Highlanders.

I am glad the genocide of your fellow country man fills you with such pride and the wearing of tartan causes you such upset.

As for Burns you should maybe read some of his poems and songs because he was certainly far from proud about Culloden or any other murdering escapes of the foreign government with the collusion of certain lowland families to destroy the Scottish identity.

I would hazard a guess you know little of Burns and even less about Scottish History. If I am mistaken and you are so dim that you know our shared history and still spout that nonsense then I feel sorry for you.

As for the Tartan question why did you think they banned the Tartan by Law. Was it because they were worried someone might make a film called Brigadoon 200 years later. No you numpties it was becuase people worse tartan. Just not the same ones as sold today not in the same style but for the same reasons.
54

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 12:21:57
Rufus & all the other usual suspects should be ignored. They are just attention seekers who enjoy winding everyone up!

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Brianwci,

27/07/2009 12:26:58
#52 Darien: "The British Nationalists don't like it upem.."

And of course, 30,000 people on Saturday alone, turning up at a major Scottish event without a British Nationalist Union Jack in sight and very much supported by that nasty SNP SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT is very much 'upem'.

Which is why there was virtually no mention of it on any news bulletin coming out of London and even muted news from the Brit Nats in Glasgow or Edinburgh. This papers offices in Holyrood didn't even bother to fly the Saltire for the event unlike the Bridges Carlton Hotel with FOUR Saltires.

The artificial construct of British Nationalism is becoming more and more like cauld kale every day while the new shoots of Scottish, English and Welsh pride have long taken root and are flourishing.
56

Sgian Achlais,

27/07/2009 12:27:47
60Rock Lobster, 27/07/2009 12:01:45

I feel sorry for all the visitors to the Gathering, who bought a paper called the Scotsman today, and found themselves called the Sporran Legion.

It is pathetic anti Scots Drivel.

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The Scotsman with all its negativity was still at the gathering. I was going to venture over but thought better of it.

They are so desperate for sales at the moment they cannot be picky even taking sales from Tartan clad people.
57

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 12:32:23
What I would like to do is to appeal to all the visitors to steer clear of the tartan tat shops who have all their clobber out on the streets and hanging from the buildings. It’s a complete eyesore. The music they play all day long is torture for people living in the area. It’s seems the police, the council etc are powerless to do anything about this dreadful nuisance so all I can think of is to appeal to the visitors for help. If the music and pavement clutter means shoppers avoid their shops then they may re-think and start behaving in a respectful manner.
I’m off to post my appeal on every relevant website on the worldwide web! Wish me luck!
58

Scotfree,

Erskine 27/07/2009 12:53:55
Hopefully the next celebration can enjoy proper coverage from a free Scottish media able to celebrate the greater Scottish community worldwide. There will be no need to broadcast irrelevant events of an English imperialist past like the Lord Mayors show, the Trooping of the Colours or the opening of the English parliament or English news, so Scotland can develop it’s own talent and media resources on issues and events that concern Scotland, not only in Scotland but in Europe, America, Africa and Asia, once it has ended the imperialist separation from the world community that is the Scots imposed by the English government in Westminster.
And the petty snipers from the Unionist parties will most likely be as absent as the parties they represent.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 27/07/2009 12:55:50
#33 "It was not about Scottish history, it was about the history of the Highlands as filtered through the eyes of Queen Victoria. Did your ancestors really dress up in that ridiculous outfit?"

Yes, that always annoys me too. The way that the things most commonly associated with Scotland are nonsense made up by the same people who did their utmost to wipe out the actual culture they are now trying to ape.
60

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2009 12:58:22
Ancestral tourism is one of the great economic opportunities which Scotland has. We cannot compete with Spain or Trurkey or Florida for weather. We must make the most of what we have and kilts and tartan is a brand every country in the world would be happy to have.

If a bit of kitsch and balmorality entices tourists from the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand let us be thankful. Or would the moaners of the event like us to ban highland games, whisky tours, castle trails and everything that is Scottish.

Thanks to the Labour/Libdem coalition for setting the Homecoming ball rolling and the SNP government for its enthusiastic support. This is an event that ought now to be staged every four years as it is a boost to tourism and an entertainment to natives alike.

Scotland has a diverse history and culture from Robert Burns to the Red Clydesiders, from Culloden to Balmoral. All are part of that fabric which makes us different. If the tourists from our diaspora go on to study their ancestors by visiting remote rural kirkyard, have a round of golf in a small town, take a picnic in a pretty glen, tackle a munro, and stay in small local B&Bs then we all benefit from that both economically and socially.

Those who moan about this should explain how they would wish our tourist industry to be presented to the world and how we would re-employ the many wh derive their livelihoods from it.
61

Yeah1,

27/07/2009 13:04:29
#60

"I feel sorry for all the visitors to the Gathering, who bought a paper called the Scotsman today, and found themselves called the Sporran Legion. It is pathetic anti Scots Drivel."

How is it 'anti Scots'?

Most of the visitors from places like North America and Australia aren't Scottish. They may have had a great-great grandparent who emigrated from Scotland years ago, but that doesn't make then Scottish.

The ironic thing is that most people in England probably have more Scots blood in them than some of these 'Scots' from North America who claim Scottish ancestry but who are probably a mixture of English, Irish, German, Scandinavian, and Italian ancestry as well as Scottish.
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TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 27/07/2009 13:28:39
#71. No-one, until yourself, commented on any part of your lame post.
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Iain Kennedy,

Glasgow 27/07/2009 13:29:03
I ran the Kennedy tent at the clan gathering and thought the whole event was a great success. We had 80 locals sign our tent visitors book compared with 25 overseas ones. So the formula worked in creating something that both tourists and locals could get something out of.
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ubiquitouschip,

stirling 27/07/2009 13:48:49
Without hate or rancour, let us be positive about the homecoming year. We are a nation, not absorbed, amalgamated nor overwhelmed by neighbours near or far by Saxony or Anglia nor Americana, but complementing these and others. Hosting our ancestral peoples and open to all freedom loving and responsible peoples, in the Spirit of Arbroath in 1320, adopting Latins from Europe and the Americas, Maori-Scots from Australasia, Nigerians and other Africans(Americans and others) Asiatics (caucasian or not)
Are we not all Jock Tamson's bairns?
Ethnic cleansing or massacre of civilians by any other name is historical, both after Culloden, south Asia, London or Madrid must remain so. We wear kilts to remind the world and ourselves of the values of Arbroath, Burns and other prophets (teachers). Does it matter if it's kitch, drag or camp? Let's remember the good in Scotland, and work for more such Gatherings of the united clans, Norman, Celtic, or universal.
65

Webbie,

mullingar 27/07/2009 13:58:14
I took part in the Gathering, it was great, I marched up the Royal Mile, my heart was bursting with pride, I tried to sit on the seats at the Esplanade and was disgusted at Edinburgh asking anyone to sit on those seats for 1-3 hours(Tattoo.)
66

Geomac 1,

Scotland 27/07/2009 14:14:12
never mind the shortbread and tartan - they were selling clan memberships yesterday - and I don't mean to genuine clan members. One American I noted entering one clan tent and asking if he could join the clan. "No problem - fill in the form and pay us £20". This he did, received a shiny badge. "Gee that's great, I'm now a member of 12 clans"!!
They'll be seeling photographs of Wee Eck soon - oops, they were seen asking for photos to be taken with A.S. - did he ask for an SNP donation, I wonder??
67

awantapassport,

rainysoothcoast 27/07/2009 14:23:47
Who's getting Ruffus / AM2 deleted? It's really not on. I seldom agree with anything either of them say, but censorship is not the answer! Besides, sarcy as it was, the post at #1 was almost an endorsement of the gathering.
68

Eddie Tait,

London 27/07/2009 14:25:56
The Gathering 2009 - This was a truly brilliant event, which made me proud to be Scottish. The turnout was superb. The mix of nationalities and languages present and represented was fab. The huge tartan variety was extraordinary. The highland games were great. The Clan tents were significant. The music was great. The clan pageant procession up The Royal Mile was super and the crowd in support was very loud and encouraging. There was so much positive energy connected and generated by this event that we could have sold some to the national grid. This event is a perfect compliment to the diverse arts and culture which The Edinburgh Festival brings to Scotland and the City of Edinburgh. It would really be great to hold this every four years. A very positive contribution to Edinburgh and Scotland. Well done Lord Sempill and Co.
Yours aye,
Eddie Tait
Founder, Scots In London and SCOTSIN global Scottish Network
69

Geomac 1,

Scotland 27/07/2009 14:30:45
#78 - sook!!!
70

Eddie Tait,

London 27/07/2009 14:37:49
The Scottish Diaspora event at The Scottish Parliament was also great. It would be great to see some of the key ideas generated on how Scotland can better engage with Scots and Affinity Scots around the World developed and implemented. Particularly encouraged by strong support for global Scottish network (social and business networking for Scots) and delighted that Michael Russell MSP, Scottish Minister for Culture thanked Scots In London and SCOTSIN for contributions to Scottish Diaspora connections made so far. Very positive about where all this is going. We are judged by our past, but we can only make a difference in the future. Let's make a difference.
Yours aye,
Eddie Tait
Founder
SCOTSIN.com - global Scottish Network
71

Geoff,

sa 27/07/2009 14:57:31
73 awantapassport-agree. There was nothing in either of those posts that warranted censorship. The essence of democracy is freedom of expression in its widest possible form. Only extremes of racism or really offensive material should be deleted. The problem is defining those extremes but in my opinion most people know where the lines should be drawn. Mr.Moderator,with respect, I think your actions here were mistaken.
72

Geomac 1,

Scotland 27/07/2009 14:58:24
Oops - wrong post mentioned last time - I meant post #74 - sook!
Now add post #76 - sook (squared)!
73

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 15:13:42
awantapassport:
Who's getting Ruffus / AM2 deleted? It's really not on.

Perhaps if they are hacking into the website in order to gain #1 post that is reason enought for censorship. More than one user name could also be in breach of the rules. I suggest the Scotsman put the current post at the top. That would put an end to the hacking and would be fairer for all users.
74

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 15:21:32
Relax Pedants!
I know there is no t in enough.
Webmaster: How about it? Current post first! It would make this thread easier to read.
75

awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 27/07/2009 15:25:25
MoiraMac - Do they hack in or is it staff privileges? Who knows... as to the multiple monikers - there would be an awful lot of deletions if that were rigorously enforced!
76

Cynicus Unbound,

27/07/2009 15:46:12
"Who's getting Ruffus / AM2 deleted? It's really not on. I seldom agree with anything either of them say, but censorship is not the answer!"-#69, awantapassport

I agree 100%.

Complain to the Editor -but be careful. I did this a few days ago and posted the copy on the relevant thread -instead of the precis I intended. It got me not only deleted but barred from the site. At least i assume that's what happened in the absence of a reply to my subsequent request for an explanation.
77

awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 27/07/2009 15:54:28
Cynicus - This was happening last week as well... Who is the mystery deleter? You know who you are...

There will always be those who seek to detract from and criticise anything positively promoting our nation... let them have there say. As Geoff at 74 stated "The essence of democracy is freedom of expression in its widest possible form".
78

Cynicus Unbound,

27/07/2009 15:56:57
"awantapassport:
Who's getting Ruffus / AM2 deleted? It's really not on.

Perhaps if they are hacking into the website in order to gain #1 post that is reason enought for censorship"-#76,MoiraMac

That cannot be the explanation.

Rufus is frequently deleted at #76, 234 etc.

Besides, you don't have to hack to gain the #1 spot. There are a number of legitimate ways -eg premium subscription, I am told, buys the privilege. Sad people can hover c11pm with fingers on "refresh" button to activate the page as soon as it comes up.

If this site id not careful it will go the same way as The Herald's. The parallels are ominous.
79

Cynicus Unbound,

27/07/2009 16:10:14
"There was nothing in either of those posts that warranted censorship. The essence of democracy is freedom of expression in its widest possible form. Only extremes of racism or really offensive material should be deleted."-#74, Geoff

Well said, Geoff.

Your voice joins those of Observer, Cynicus in Exile (deceased), Fitba Krazy, awantapassport and others to whom I apologise for forgetting their names. Most, if not all, of those protesting disagree with the victimised unionist posters but defend their right to frr expression.
80

awantapassport,

cloudysoothcoast 27/07/2009 16:12:54
#81 Cedric - I use a Mac. The F5 key on those doesn't double up as a time machine. Perhaps that's the reason Bill Gates is so successful?
81

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 16:19:51
awantapassport:
The hack was revealed in a previous article by a professional webmaster. Not the one outlined by Cedric.
Cedric: what you suggest does sound like hacking to me. Why bother paying a premium subscription?
Surely it's the moderator who deletes the posts. Why not ask them why posts are being deleted. I just made a couple of suggestions.
Rufus & the usual suspects definitely get a lot of attention so a couple of posts deleted here and there shouldn't make too much difference.
82

awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 27/07/2009 16:28:50
Slightly off topic - but something of a personal Homecoming. I just popped out to the cornershop near work... they've started selling Tunnock's Caramel Wafers. I've just had two mmmmmmmmm!
83

Sterrence,

UK 27/07/2009 16:32:57
#3 sufuR back says "Brigadoon in the Royal Mile. Thank you, Mr Salmond. We now know his vision for Scotland."

This has nothing to do with Mr Salmond, and if he were there spouting politics, he'd only be hijacking it! As it has nothing to do with politics. Mr Salmond would be welcome, as any politician... here it goes;

Politics is left at the door mat!
84

Sterrence,

UK 27/07/2009 16:37:51
#24 Unionist Voice says "I feel the more we Unionists sneer at successful initiatives which generate revenue for Scotland the more successful we will be politically."


Your no unionist... and if you were, you better go and think again.

Unionists "Real Unionists" want the best for Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland! Those traitors in Parliament deserve nothing but Jail, so don't bother calling them traitors unionists either.
85

European Scot,

27/07/2009 16:38:19
94 Cedric Kessler

"Finally I have never seen so many worried looking sheep in my life in Edinburgh as I did at the weekend there."

That may have something to do with the way you looked at them.
86

Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 27/07/2009 16:39:06
It would appear from the above that a good whine was had by all.
87

Sterrence,

UK 27/07/2009 16:41:21

Great event, and I hope it continues to grow, and grow. The Clans of Scotland, at least there is something here in the UK which celebrates it's cultural identity.
88

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 16:47:44
Cedric Kessler:
Finally I have never seen so many worried looking sheep in my life in Edinburgh as I did at the weekend there.

I find that offensive I think your post should be deleted. Likewise your post on how to hack into this site. It's illegal as I believe is zoophilia!
Only kiddin' I don't take anything I read on these posts seriously and I'm sure that's the case for the vast majority of people.
Basically all your shenanigans is giving me a really good laugh!
89

Benjamin,

Dresden 27/07/2009 16:47:55
I'm so very happy about this. I missed it this year, mostly because of the so called "economic downturn". Maybe I'll not miss it in four years!
90

Masterpiece,

27/07/2009 16:49:48
I am delighted the event was a great success for all those who participated in the Gathering.
I have no difficulty in seeing that the Gaelic language and culture takes significant sums of money into this country be it to Scotland or Britain and for those who work with the Airlines to various forms of accommodation to the events over the two days.

It is no accident that we see lots of people with a great number of what can be considered outlandish costumes and trinkets. They obviously need to show they are different especially if they live in English speaking countries as they have lost the core of Gaelic identity ---the Gaelic language.

It is so easy for us to berate these people for what they wear but what alternative do they have if they only speak English.
Clan Chiefs learned to do this a long time ago as did the landowners as they needed somethings other than Gaelic to identify them with the people as they were involved in the Clearances and so called improvements which cleared everyone out of large areas of the Highlands and islands, so there is nothing new there then
91

Gruntfuttock,

27/07/2009 17:03:57
Didn't see many black Campbells at the gathering. There's a huge number in Jamaica. Why? Are we embarrassed by this inconvenient fact. It's time we understood the truth about why so many people with black skin bear Scottish clan surnames.
92

Jimmy Le Pie,

27/07/2009 17:08:24
Cedric,

I've tried your time machine tips to get tomorrows racing results but nothing is showing???

Does this mean your trick doesn't work or all the horse racing is off tomorrow????
93

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 17:09:54
#101
Very interesting post! I wonder if the SNP will re-introduce Gaelic lessons in primary schools?
They could start by teaching the kids a few gaelic songs.
Everyone in Wales knows how to sing 'Myfanwy'

94

Scotfree,

English 27/07/2009 17:11:05
“The Sporran Legion” is that how the smug Scotsman describe the Scots Diaspora paying homage to the land of their birth? Brown-nose lickspittles to their English managers.

So how does the Scotsman describe the Trooping of the Colours, The Redcoats, The Butchers Aprons? How does it describe the Lord Mayors show: the Masons Gala, The Dicks? And the opening of the English parliament: Men in tights? But no only Scotland is to be mocked by the English controlled press and their accolites.
95

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 27/07/2009 17:31:37
Scotfree @ 17:11. It's a disgrace. One or two have commented on this over the period of the day but it is pretty sad that others (including myself to some degree) have grown used to accepting such derogatory remarks.
I mean, when the pope visited Scotland, did the scotsman headline "Pope Dangles Out Ice Cream Van"? Or when the Queen recently visited Holyrood, did they scream, "Be careful not to p1sh on the seats yer majesty..."
They will happily mock Scotland, the Scots and our Diaspora.
96

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 17:33:05
Gruntfuttock:Didn't see many black Campbells at the gathering. There's a huge number in Jamaica. Why? Are we embarrassed by this inconvenient fact. It's time we understood the truth about why so many people with black skin bear Scottish clan surnames.

If it's time we understood the truth then why don't you tell us?

#105 - We seem to be victims of racism on many fronts.
97

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

27/07/2009 17:34:01
94 Cedric Kessler
You must live in a different part of Edinburgh from I do if you regularly meet many sheep.

I believe I may have seen some in the zoo and Gorgie Farm.

Do you live in either of these places?
98

Pilrig,

Livingston 27/07/2009 17:36:04
94 - cedric, dude, stick tae watchin Jeremy Kyle, that's your culture.

God bless Scotland !
99

Pilrig,

Livingston 27/07/2009 17:40:42
62 Huntly Loon; well said dude ! There are people in this country who have problems with Scottish culture and our indigenous languages, and you can read them on this thread.
100

Brianwci,

27/07/2009 17:42:07
Whereas we can't stop the British Nationalist trolls from posting....and neither we should...we should not allow them to divert us from the heart of the thread by being drawn down their Brit Nat dead ally's.

Let's ignore them and keep our own posts positive.

101

Teemackell the Scribe,

27/07/2009 17:42:09
European Scot writes,

"94 Cedric Kessler

"Finally I have never seen so many worried looking sheep in my life in Edinburgh as I did at the weekend there."

That may have something to do with the way you looked at them."

Not only is this a great laugh and a fine riposte. It is surely the clinching argument against the censorship of this man.
102

Pilrig,

Livingston 27/07/2009 17:46:01
111 cedric "I live in a posh area" - I thought so.
103

awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 27/07/2009 17:50:53
Bon Soirée Cedric. Pleasant Evening Group Captain... tomorrows another day and the struggle will undoubtibly get harder!

Guid nicht ma Nationalist freends... Ma maws doon fae Bathgate tae see us and the weans... am aff.
104

Masterpiece,

27/07/2009 17:51:59
It is only a short time since I became conversationally fluent in the Gaelic language but even in that time I have come to understand much of why Scotland is so uncertain of itself and in particular how uneasy it is with what is seen as its own Gaelic language and culture.

Often you hear that Scotland is a modern European country with a modern European culture, but please explain to me what this is exactly?

Is it another term for wholesale English Culture with a bit of opera classical music and ballet thrown in as was the norm at the Edinburgh International Festival?

I rarely ever saw much internationalism in Edinburgh when it came to languages other than English; not even Scots.
105

European Scot,

27/07/2009 17:54:50
111 Cedric Kessler

"Many sheep on view in Edinburgh."

A look over Ian Gray's shoulder at FMQ 's would confirm that.
106

European Scot,

27/07/2009 17:58:30
Iain even !
107

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 18:25:06
#117 Masterpiece
I rarely ever saw much internationalism in Edinburgh when it came to languages other than English; not even Scots.

Are you joking? I regularly find myself in situations where I'm surround by people who don't speak English. There could be as many as a hundred different languages spoken in Edinburgh.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/education/Sharp-rise-in-pupils-lacking.3818485.jp
108

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 18:27:11
David Eaglesham, the general-secretary of the Scottish Secondary Teachers' Association, said the huge mix of languages – there are 138 spoken in Scottish schools – was increasingly proving a problem.


More than 100!
109

Masterpiece,

27/07/2009 18:29:57
Maybe if I had added Edinburgh Festival Stage or productions it would have been easier to understand.

So what is modern Scottish culture?
110

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 18:48:49
Masterpiece:
So what is modern Scottish culture?

I suppose if there are 138 different nationalities living in Scotland each with their own separate culture there would be 138 different varieties of Modern Scottish Culture.
It would probably be easier to answer your question if you were more specific. i.e. Modern Scottish-Pakistani Culture, Modern Scottish-Chinese Culture, Modern Scottish-Polish Culture and so on.

Not sure how economically viable it would be for Edinburgh Festival to stage productions in 138 different languages! Bums on seats might be a problem.
111

Sgian Achlais,

27/07/2009 19:49:22
103Scotfree, English 27/07/2009 17:11:05
“The Sporran Legion” is that how the smug Scotsman describe the Scots Diaspora paying homage to the land of their birth? Brown-nose lickspittles to their English managers.

So how does the Scotsman describe the Trooping of the Colours, The Redcoats, The Butchers Aprons? How does it describe the Lord Mayors show: the Masons Gala, The Dicks? And the opening of the English parliament: Men in tights? But no only Scotland is to be mocked by the English controlled press and their accolites.

============================

In fact I am sure the kilt is older than a certain Sash that our fathers might have worn or nor worn.

Funny how sectarian triumphalism is a celebration of culture according to the Scotsman but a thousand years of Scottish Clan/Family organisations are to be mocked.

In July every year in West Central Scotland they celebrate genocide and religious intolerance with the full support of a similarly minded media and British State. That is the type of learned behaviour we need to leave behind. Mostly flawed and factually incorrect representations of the events. William was after all the Popes man in the UK.

The Gathering was positive and an enjoyable day out. I think that it can only stimulate our interest in our past and that is something lacking in the media and education of Scotlands children.

I agree with the other posters who suggested that it gets moved around to different historic locations such as Stirling or Inverness.

Rufus and Co. are very welcome to come along and enjoy a fine day out for all the family and experience some positive vibes and interesting people.
112

indune1,

Canada 27/07/2009 20:24:26

Lighten up people.

If you don't like what was staged then present an alternative.

Cynics know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

By the way, give tourists the benefit of the doubt that they can recognise kitsch when they see it. Kitsch, when really bad, can be good: if it provides entertainment value!
113

Masterpiece,

27/07/2009 22:40:47
It seems quite clear that modern Scottish culture is simply English culture with a small tartan corner which shows itself every now and again or on special occassions like New year celebrations.

I don't suppose we should be surprised that Scots don't even know what modern Scottish culture is as it does not exist.
114

Pilrig,

Livingston 27/07/2009 22:55:25
117 - read MacDiarmid, dude !
115

Pilrig,

Livingston 27/07/2009 22:58:00
122 - Scottish culture that lives and thrives in the 21st century ! And don't say it doesn't, unless you're Rip van McWinkle having woke up after two decades asleep !
116

Pilrig,

Livingston 27/07/2009 23:02:39
126 - "Trainspotting"..."Under One Sky"..."New Gold Dream"..."It's Colours They Are Fine"..."Lanark"...Little Sparta... etc etc

savvy ?
117

JC1,

Glasgow 27/07/2009 23:08:49
I am a Scot living in the 21st century. This display of FAKE kitsch has nothing to do with me or my Scots ancestors
118

ih8hibs,

27/07/2009 23:51:14
130 well said, each to their own I suppose, think it should have been held in Inverness or somewhere more Highland though. The kilt was never worn in Edinburgh, we wore the Troose
119

MoiraMac,

27/07/2009 23:59:32
126 Masterpiece:

What is modern English culture? Does it exist?
120

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28/07/2009 00:23:12
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121

Tu Tangata ,

Christchurch 28/07/2009 13:30:40
117
"Cuir a mach an sasunnach, 's thoir a stigh an cù." [Put out the Englishman and bring in the dog] Wisdom from the Isles {;-)) Cùm slàn! Alba gu bràth!
122

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/07/2009 17:21:23
121 - did you hold a seance to ask your ancestors ?

Would they have opposed as you do a (partial) celebration of Scottish culture
123

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/07/2009 17:22:45
123 - he or she (M'piece) hasn't a clue.
124

Ggordon,

28/07/2009 20:53:54


Censored

BBC and STV show their political bias and don't join the party

125

Masterpiece,

28/07/2009 21:07:42
125

Nach e an cu a dh'ith an cat agus an cat a dh'ith an luch agus nach e an luch a dh'ith an siol aig tigh Mhic amhlaidh.

Mean air mhean ithidh a Bheurla a Ghaidhlig as an aon doigh.
126

Ggordon,

28/07/2009 22:17:49


129


Oye Are you oiled
127

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/07/2009 23:06:48
130 - he's discovered a Gaelic dictionary.
128

MoiraMac,

28/07/2009 23:23:23
127 - he or she (M'piece) hasn't a clue.

I agree! Masterpiece has gone to the bother of learning Gaelic but he still hasn't a clue!

Perhaps you have to be born with it!

 

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