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Published Date: 03 November 2008
A THIRD potential bidder is considering a move for HBOS with a view to snatching the Scottish-based bank away from its proposed takeover deal with Lloyds TSB, it emerged last night.
The new suitor is understood to be one of the world's biggest financial institutions – but, crucially, does not have a major high-street presence in the UK.

The firm has made preliminary inquiries about HBOS, but is not as far through the pr
ocess as the other alternative bidder, whose presence was disclosed in The Scotsman on Saturday.

The emergence of two potential new bidders for HBOS has thrown yet more doubt over the Lloyds TSB takeover, which has been received the backing of the UK government.

Alex Neil, a Nationalist MSP and member of the Holyrood finance committee, said he now believed the HBOS takeover by Lloyds TSB would not go ahead.

He said: "I am very optimistic, I am sure it will not go ahead.

"This (third] potential bid is from a financial institution outside the UK. Because the whole strategy here is not from somebody headquartered in London, they would not run into the same problems. This is a big, big, global player."

Jim Spowart, a leading Scottish businessman, has been in talks with Jim Murphy, the Scottish Secretary, for several days about another potential bidder for HBOS.

Mr Spowart said yesterday he did not know anything about Mr Neil's "third bidder", but he was clear the company that he is dealing with is "very, very serious" about HBOS.

The talks had reached such a detailed stage that Mr Spowart felt he had to bring in the UK government, which is why he began discussions with Mr Murphy.

Mr Murphy said the UK government would examine all potential bids on the same basis, despite the ministerial decision to waive normal competition rules last month to give the Lloyds TSB merger its blessing.

Yesterday, Gordon Brown said he would treat all bids equally, but stressed HBOS had been near collapse when the government and Lloyds TSB stepped in.

The Prime Minister said: "I think the important thing is that people are free to bid for HBOS, but we have got to recognise where it was – in a position where there was only one choice about rescuing it. Only one company had come forward at that time.

"We have invested £17 billion into buying shares in the new entity. I do think people have got to remember that if we had not acted a few weeks ago, HBOS would have fallen altogether."

He added: "Of course, we will look at every offer. That is part of the process of shareholders sorting out what the future is."

Experts expect all potential bidders to keep their identities secret until they have seen HBOS's trading position, which is expected this week.

If, as expected, HBOS reveals further multi-billion-pound writedowns, it could affect potential offers – the troubled bank is expected to unveil an additional hit of up to £5 billion when it updates the market.

HBOS warned last month that its profits were being squeezed by bad debts and asset value markdowns, while it was also suffering from increased funding costs in stricken wholesale money markets and falling property prices.

The expected heavy writedowns – due to come in a statement to coincide with a trading update from Lloyds TSB – will underline the trading troubles faced by HBOS as it seeks to secure the tie-up with Lloyds.

There will be further scrutiny on the Lloyds TSB proposals later this week, when the bank releases a circular to shareholders regarding its planned takeover of HBOS.

Lloyds has been reticent on the timetable of its announcement so far, saying only that it will be during the first week of November.

But, crucially, it is understood it will give an idea of its future financial footing, taking the HBOS acquisition into account.


Murphy under pressure over media leak

JIM Murphy, the Scottish Secretary, was facing calls for an investigation into his conduct last night following allegations he leaked confidential commercial information on HBOS to the media.

News of a second potential bidder for HBOS was published by sections of the media – including The Scotsman – on Saturday, with a comment from Mr Murphy insisting that all bids would be treated fairly.

But political opponents claimed Mr Murphy had been responsible for leaking the information, which could have compromised any rival bid to the Lloyds TSB deal, backed by the Westminster government.

Nicola Sturgeon, the Deputy First Minister, said if Mr Murphy had leaked sensitive information, there should be an inquiry. "If the Secretary of State did divulge confidential information about a possible alternative bid, that's a very serious matter indeed," she said. "I do think serious questions have to be asked and I think the matter does merit investigation."

David Mundell, the shadow Scottish secretary, said: "If there is any suggestion any politician has broken any confidences, that must be investigated."

And Liberal Democrat MSP Ross Finnie said: "I think questions ought to be asked."


Four futures facing banking giant

THE four options for HBOS are:

1 Takeover by Lloyds TSB. The most likely option, backed by the boards of both banks and the UK government.

2 Takeover or merger with first alternative bidder. It is not known who this potential bidder is, but it has been described as having a "very, very serious" interest.

3 Takeover by the new potential, third, bidder, understood to be a major international financial institution. However, talks are at a very early stage and the chances of this firm actually putting together a cogent bid are slim.

4 HBOS remaining as a stand-alone organisation, funded in part by the bank bail-out from the UK government. This is the favoured option for many politicians and business experts in Scotland.



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Rasco,

03/11/2008 00:05:21
No comments allowed on the Herald about this story yet maybe Murph has said no.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

03/11/2008 00:06:41
Spot the odd one out:

• Sunday Herald: “Support for independence in decline”

• Press Association: “Financial crisis dents independence”

• Politics.co.uk: “Scottish independence support shows fall”

• SNP press release: “SNP welcome independence poll figures”
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Rufus T. Fireball,

Grampian 03/11/2008 00:06:50
Is David Murray making a late bid
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Rufus T. Firefly,

03/11/2008 00:10:45
#3 Hey Rufus, you are giving me a good name.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2008 00:17:13
2 Rufus

You and I both know that Scottish Unionist posted exactly what you've copied and pasted at 8.44pm last night. Your Unionist loyalties are admirable, but please try to be a bit more original, or at least give SU the credit by posting the URL.
http://www.scottishunionist.com/

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Rufus T. Firefly,

03/11/2008 00:23:27
#5 Andrew yes indeed thats true.

People cut and paste things on here all the time.

Am I the only person not allowed to do it?


Just to keep you happy.

Check out more great stuff at

http://www.scottishunionist.com/

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Rufus T. Firefly,

03/11/2008 00:28:36
Support for independence in decline

SUPPORT FOR independence has slumped in the wake of the global financial crisis, with barely one-third of voters now backing the SNP's key policy, according to a new opinion poll.

With the UK tipping into recession, and on the eve of a crucial by-election, support for withdrawal from the union has fallen by four percentage points in just three months.

To keep Andrew Bod happy, read it here at

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2465001.0.0.php
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Rufus T. Firefly,

03/11/2008 00:31:34
An SNP spokesman said: "This is a very encouraging poll, which confirms that support for independence and equality for Scotland is extremely strong.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Thats fantastic isnt it. Support for independence is disappearing as fast as the pie and chips on Alex Salmond's plate and an SNP spokesman thinks its encouraging.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2008 01:14:37
8 Rufus

That's much better. Credit where credit is due.

Another analogy:

How about 'as fast as the value of the £pound'. Or would that take the shine off Gordon's smile.

Anyway, there's nothing to be afraid of in any referendum, is there? We'll expect the full support of the Unionist parties when the bill goes to Parliament. Won't we? Oh dear, maybe they think the people of Scotland are too thick to work out the wording of any question, and may vote the wrong way. There'll definitely be a referendum though, David Murray's already started campaigning for the Union.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2008 01:16:37
Sorry Rufus, 10 was for 7.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 01:42:35
Lloyds/TSB may be the most favoured takeover by London Labour but with every passing day it is becoming the least likely.

Brown sounds like a wimpering child when he goes on about how much his government has already done for this deal to go ahead.

SO WHAT if £17B pounds has already been invested, it would have to have been done anyway, deal or no deal!! We want the best deal for SCOTLAND not the best deal for London and London Labour.

And that means kick the Lloyds deal into touch.
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Finnzz,

03/11/2008 07:10:15
#21

"Simply nauseating, how low can Brown sink."

He sinks so low because he is only interested in his own survival. Nothing more.

Excellent program last night - Bremner, Bird and Fortune. It again demonstrated Browns utter failure as Chancellor and PM during the last 10 years.

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Finnzz,

03/11/2008 07:18:05
Another interesting detail on why Councils invested money in Icelandic banks.

They were advised to by Sector Treasury Services Ltd who happen to be one of the UK governments approved financial advisors. And when was this advice given - in September.
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SouthernSkye,

03/11/2008 07:21:04
More options for Gordy and mandy to ignore. I hope the shareholders of HBOS give the offer from TSB the boot, especially as it has been reduced twice and now only offers 0.6 TSB shares per HBOS. We can but hope that this last line of defence against the corrupt Westminster leadership foil their selfish plans.
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Ugly George,

03/11/2008 08:06:15
18 traquir
"massive redundancies
will occur in Scotland whilst England gains
many more jobs and of course coincidently
accrues much more Corporation Tax."

Please take the time and effort to learn something about these issues before you comment on them. It is patently obvious that you fire out a stream of these comments from a postion of extremely limited awareness and understanding. Your comment above illustrates this perfectly.

If the merger proceeds then there will be a large amount of duplication of branches and functions among existing Halifax and Lloyds operations in England and Wales. The whole purpose of a merger is to cut down on costs by merging and hence reducing these duplicate functions. There will therefore be widespread job losses as a result. So your assertion that "England gains many more jobs" is clearly false.

Also, corporation tax is paid on the basis of where a company operates and not where its HQ are. If the merger proceeds, Bank of Scotland will still operate in Scotland under the umbrella of the merged company. Therefore any corporation tax paid on these operations is deemed under calculations done by GERS analysis for example as corporation tax paid in Scotland. This has been the method used for these calculations for many years.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 08:23:18
PM Gordon Brown is the only "World Leader" traipsing around the middle east with a begging bowl for Arab oil money.
Can Gordon Brown show them where our North Sea oil money has been invested and the rate of return we have received from it ?
We know that they have taken more care of their oil money than successive UK governments have done with our North Sea oil money. Maybe they will be reluctant to put their money where we have failed to put ours, and who can blame them.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 03/11/2008 08:44:11
Toom Tabard's plan to wreck the Scottish banks to satisfy his control freak tendencies is unravelling fast.

His craven appeal for funds from Arab states for failing and bankrupt nations like the UK is bound to meet with the same success as he had last time in asking the oil-rich Arab states to reduce their prices. They'll just smile inscrutably, nod and then do the usual - nothing. They want to hang on to it all Gordon - when will you realise this? Maybe what we should have done with past oil revenues from the North Sea. What's left? Less than nothing. Debt. Insolvency. Cap in hand to anyone with the folding stuff. What a failure. A complete dunce.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 09:00:58
New name unveiled as "Lloyds Banking Group".

Labour giving SNP a bloody nose but at the expense of Scottish jobs.

Salmond been quiet since his Politics show appearance saying the merger (takeover) would be good for Scotland.

Said he would stop trams too and didn't, so suspect some doubts will continue to grow about his judgement.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 09:06:19
27 Auld Twa
"PM Gordon Brown is the only "World Leader" traipsing around the middle east with a begging bowl for Arab oil money."

Please get your facts right. he was asking them to put money into the IMF. He was not asking for money for the UK.
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noswod,

Honestas 03/11/2008 09:49:29
Mair Scots mist and self disbelief, theres no chance of a second or third bid. Labour will place every conceivable obstacle in front of it. Mandys fingerprints are all over the leak by the Scottish Minister and the broadsides in the weekends press have his stamp on it. The stakes for "failed labour" are its survival. For Cameron to win the Nats have to win in Scotland, if Scotland goes England has a built in Tory majority and its goodbye to power for ever for labour. Mandys thinking emasculate the Scottish banks electorate sees that Nationalism are a busted flush and vote like their fathers for labour in Scotland and Labour can still win England. With this political agenda in the background its "hasta ma vista" to any commercial deal which may see another buyer emerge as an alternative to the Lloyds Cumberland Banks proposal, the Bank of Prestonpans simply does not exist
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Ugly George,

03/11/2008 09:55:48
28 the Former Mr angry
"Toom Tabard's plan to wreck the Scottish banks"

If he was trying to wreck these banks why did he spend £30bn+ of taxpayers money to bail them out?
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Rasco,

03/11/2008 10:07:12
I see Murph is off to Iceland wonder what sort of reception he will get a large slap with a cod from the cod wars which the UK Gov.lost
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brownlie,

03/11/2008 10:43:16
Is it not strange that everyone seems to be fighting for the retention of jobs except for their own union which is strangely quiet. I wonder why?
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 10:46:50
The problem with these so-called "alternatives" is that they don't actually seem to be very substantial at the moment. Unless some meat is put on the bones and these alternatives are made more solid HBOS shareholders will vote for the merger and in the numbers required. HBOS require 75% + 1 share in favour for the merger to pass with LTSB only requiring 50% + 1 share for their side of the deal to go ahead.

It would require a major turnaround by the large institutional shareholders to stop the merger. Unless circumstances change the priority therefore is to ensure that as many jobs can be saved as possible. According to their interim report this morning, LTSB are seeking in the region of a 16% reduction in their costs by 2011. Union leaders (UNITE) feel that job losses can be minimised and no compulsory redundancies should be needed. They point to a staff turnover of around 10% per annum - so natural wastage could account for most of the job losses.
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Rob,

03/11/2008 11:02:07
This won't happen but there is good news for the Nats in the Lloyds TSB announcement. Now called the Lloyds Banking Group it makes no reference to BoS in its name. So what? It means that they can parcel it up in bits and flog pieces off more easily, that's what. Tell Alex to get his cheque book out - I'm sure no-one would mind a bit paying an extra 5p local income tax to get Scotland's banking heritage back!!
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Number 6,

Germany 03/11/2008 11:18:06
Begging Bowl Brown's financial incompitence is being exposed here for all the world to see. Mandleson's involvement must be scrutinised every step of the way.
Don't forget, his mantrsa is "what's in it for me?".
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Fairfax,

03/11/2008 11:23:35
Traquir (20): "Iceland, Mired in Debt, Blames Britain for Woes"

I'm no fan of Brown or Labour, but Iceland's woes are Iceland's fault.

“I must admit that I was absolutely appalled,” the Icelandic foreign minister, Ingibjorg Solrun Gisladottir, said in an interview, describing her horror at opening the British treasury department’s home page at the time and finding Iceland on a list of terrorist entities"

This is simply untrue. Iceland was not labelled a terrorist state, nor was anti-terrorism legislation used. The freezing laws are indeed part of the Anti-Terror, Crime, and Security Act, but the power to seize assets is in a different section from the one that deals with Terror: they're in the section there to deal with corporate and sovereign default. Instead of attempting to blame others, Icelanders should accept that their banks were simply too large, and too credit-dependent, to continue.

""The immediate effect was to trigger an almost complete freeze on any banking transactions between Iceland and abroad,” said Jon Danielsson, an economist at the London School of Economics. “When you’re labeled a terrorist, nobody does business with you.""

Nobody was doing business with Iceland because it was, effectively, in sovereign default. It's very sad, but the UK froze those assets in order to gain at least some British citizens' assets in Iceland. Danielsson should discuss it with his LSE colleague Willem Buiter:

http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/10/icelands-bank-defaults-lessons-of-a-death-foretold/
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antifa,

03/11/2008 11:24:30
Ugly George - your comments suggest you are from Planet Earth and will therefore be ignored on this site.
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antifa,

03/11/2008 11:25:49
Fairfax - ditto. This is not a place for truth, but lies which fit into certain perverse ways of looking at the world.
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Fairfax,

03/11/2008 11:26:13
Rasco (34): "I see Murph is off to Iceland wonder what sort of reception he will get a large slap with a cod from the cod wars which the UK Gov.lost"

Britain is about to loan £3 billion to Iceland so that it can pay its debts to British citizens. The correct Icelandic response would be "Thank you".
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Corrennie,

03/11/2008 11:27:03
All talk and speculation combined with the usual Scottish capacity for self-delusion and wishful-thinking.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 11:35:59
#31 Ugly George as Rory Bremner said last night, he asked the Arabs to put money into the IMF so it could then lend money to the UK.....it looks better that way.

I see that LloydsTSB are trying to buy the votes of shareholders by offering even larger annual dividends.....at the expense of even more Scottish job losses.....all aided and abetted by Brown, Darling and co.
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57vintage,

Bridge of Don 03/11/2008 11:46:21
#39 Fairfax.

You commit the grave error of bringing facts into the argument here.

This won't do as it doesn't fit with the world view of the usual suspects who populate these here message boards.

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The Strategist,

03/11/2008 12:14:23
LloydsTSB is now saying it can make savings of £1.5bn from the merger which is roughly equivalent to 20,000 jobs.

That should go down well in Glenrothes.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 12:21:52
22 Finnzz

It was great to see BB&F back. I look forward to them getting into their stride with Mandleson. John Bird (aka Parr)'s Merchant Banker was particularly good last night.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 12:25:59
43 Corrennie,
Do I detect a "Scottish Cringe" in your comment?
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 12:31:15
42 Fairfax,
In what capacity was Murphy sent to Iceland? Is it to attempt to associate Iceland's problems with Scotland - or to keep him out of the way of any awkward questions about his attempts to spike alternatives to the HBOS fiasco?
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 12:41:41
44 Brian Hill,
Isn't beyond credibility that board incompetence and greed brings banks to the begging bowl and the world economy to collapse but they still have the arrogance to offer increased dividends while they have no capacity to earn any. The old joke about the collective noun for bankers being a "wunch" is more appropriate than ever.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 12:44:28
51 sm753,
Aye right. They did mention elimination of duplication in the High Streets. Presumably they will wait till everyone retires from one branch before closing the one next door?
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 13:02:45
#52 Embra Don. I agree the bankers are far from blameless, but they can be sorted out later, in the meantime we must do everything we can to save jobs and keep decision making in Scotland.

Some VERY good news. On Working Lunch 10 minutes ago a leading stock broker said that dividends would be almost non existent for shareholders for several years including those with LTSB ISAs.

She agreed with presenter Declan that while Lloyds and HBOS may be at the alter the shareholders are still outside the church.

I repeat, with each passing day this deal seems less and less likely, it will be disastrous for shareholders, especially small shareholders.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 13:03:20
#54 Staff turnover in the banking secotr (according to Unite the staff trade union) runs at arounbd 10%. Given that the savings won't be achieved until 2011 it is not as fanciful as you might think. Moreover, there is speculation that much of the work that LTSB currently contracts out could be done in-house.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 13:07:49
#53 Much of the duplication in the banking part of the business is likely to affect branches in England & Wales than those in Scotland. Those jobs in Scotland that are likely to be duplicated are in areas such as insurance where HBOS's Clerical & Medical will be carrying out similar work to LTSB's Scottish Widows.

If jobs do go in Scotland it won't be banking jobs as such but the wider financial sector.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 13:16:32
#56 "while Lloyds and HBOS may be at the alter the shareholders are still outside the church."

I would not say all the shareholders - it seems that the institutional shareholders are very much on board. It is the small shareholders who remain to be convinced. Whilst only 25% of shareholders are required to scupper the HBOS side of the deal I am still not sure that even that number is achievable. Unless there is major development regards the alternatives I suspect that there will be a substantial vote in favour by HBOS shareholders. If anyone is going to scupper this deal it is the LTSB shareholders who will recognise the basket-case that HBOS is. But because only 50% + 1 share is required for LTSB to agree the deal then that too seems unlikely. Unless the institutional shareholders have a change of mind this is the deal that is going to happen.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 13:17:38
56 Brian Hill,
I see little likelihood of the bankers being sorted out later. There is hope that Mandy will be firm with them though. We all trust him on this don't we?
As HBOS is/was on the verge of collapse it should be available at a bargain price, possibly some of the Soverign wealth funds may be interested. Pity we don't have one ourselves - but that's the "union dividend" for you.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 13:25:35
# 60 Federalist
Are you suggesting that where HBOS and TSB operate branches close together in the same town they will keep both operating? Almost every town I can think of, which has either, has both. This will have approximately the same effect on competitiveness as if Asda were to take over both Morrison and Sainsbury.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 13:27:37
Sorry Federalist - (re #62) my reference should have been #58
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 13:28:48
#59 Did my own research on staff turnover in finance, insurance and real estate:

* 2007-8 - 17.5% (12.5% voluntary leavers)
* 2006-7 - 14.5% (9.9%)
* 2005-6 - 16.1% (10.3%)
* 2004-5 - 20.5% (12.9%)
* 2003-4 - 16.0% (11.5%)
* 2002-3 - 20.4% (13.7%)

Make of that what you will.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 13:29:16
Is a Judicial review of the suspension of the competition rules possible?
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 14:06:16
#62 LTSB has 187 branches in Scotland. BOS has around 320 branches in Scotland. That's a ratio of 1.7 BOS branches to every LTSB.

Halifax has just over 1000 branches in England & Wales. There are just over 2000 LTSB branches in England & Wales. Here there is one Halifax for every two LTSB branches

Therefore duplication of branches will be more of a problem in England & Wales than Scotland.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 14:52:25
#66 Thought I would do a bit further digging to see what proportion of staff turnover was purely through retirement. On average 19% of staff turnover is through retirement according to the Labour Trends survey. If staff turnover were limited to only those retiring then the rate of staff turnover would be around 3% per annum - almost 9% over the three years up to 2011. Staff also leave for reasons other than work elsehere. Ill health and stress accounts for over 25% of all staff turnover - obviously some of these will be early retirments (but not all).

Essentially what I am saying is that there is a always a minimum level of voluntary staff turnover that any business will have no matter whether times are good or bad. It is possible for the new merged business to lose jobs without actually having any compulsory redundancies. Obviously there are implications in terms of workload for those staff remaining - that is an entirely different issue and one I believe is of greater concern.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 14:55:15
Traqair
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Decent,

03/11/2008 15:39:48
Jeez - they're all bloody hard to read - my eyes keep wanting to shut.
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Embra Don,

03/11/2008 15:48:54
#67 The Federalist
Without being able to analyse in detail how many duplications occur, the maximum, accepting your figures, would be 187 in Scotland and just over a thousand in E&W.
Relative to the population that would make potential loss of jobs much worse north of the border. 37 per million pop cf 20 per million in England and Wales
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Andrew.,

Oxford 03/11/2008 20:07:51
"No HBOS board member will join the Lloyds' board after the merger completes"

That'll be why the HBOS share price has improved dramatically in the last few business days.

There is no way the current board should be rewarded for their failure by a role in the new Lloyds Banking Group. It's not as if BoS hasn't been run from England before - until the mid 80s Barclays was the largest shareholder.
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Martyk,

03/11/2008 20:15:52
Still. On the bright side we have a new golf course coming.
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Martyk,

03/11/2008 20:16:45
Until these mystery bidders make an appearance then as far as I am concerned they dont exist.
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The_Reiver,

03/11/2008 21:17:45
Alex Neil should return to his sarcophagus in the Kremlin Wall.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 21:59:51
#74 I actually meant in terms of overall job losses. Ignoring the fact that some Lloyds branches in Scotland are not duplicated (and vice versa regards HBOS in E&W) - there are likely to be more job losses in E&W than Scotland - in the ratio of 5 to 1. That would work out as about 3,500 jobs in Scotland and 17,500 jobs in England and Wales.
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 03/11/2008 22:07:51
is it just me, these mystery bidders, are they a figment of some hedge fund manager or overactove first minister's imagination. They emerge, people wait, nothing happens. I think they may be an attempt at Market manipulation?
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SkeptikScot,

03/11/2008 22:22:23
Strange that a bidder with "no major high-street presence in the UK" would be interested; surely there'd be no operational/staff savings? Why would anyone want major exposure to the UK housing market as it hits serious decline? Why take-over a big UK lender before a major recession?

I'll beleve it when I see a serious bid.
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Jimmy Twoshoes,

03/11/2008 22:30:12
If they go in at the right price - quite simply it's worth it. It's not all about synergy and cost saving, it's arguably the perfect time to expand (very arguable I admit).

 

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