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Published Date: 11 November 2008
IT IS an honour awarded to many of the world's most awe-inspiring sights, but one which Scotland's capital is seriously questioning the value of. The prospect of Edinburgh losing its World Heritage status – an accolade shared with the likes of the pyramids of Egypt and the Taj Mahal – has triggered a furious debate among developers, councillors, architects and conservationists.
Now, on the eve of an official visit that might lead to the city being stripped of the title, senior figures have cast doubt on whether the city benefits from it and have warned that it is in danger of holding back progress in the capital.

When Edinburgh's historic heart was awarded World Heritage status in December 1995, it was widely seen as a major coup. It would have seemed fanciful that just over a decade later, Edinburgh would be facing the prospect of losing the title. But rather than shudder at the thought of this, many are questioning the value to Edinburgh of having World Heritage status – as well as the right of Unesco to put the city under the microscope.

Koichiro Matsuura, director-general of Unesco, sparked outrage on a visit to Edinburgh in August when he urged the city to call a halt to major developments until a review of its World Heritage status is completed next summer.

Now, economic development leaders have warned the city should not been seen as an "isolated monument". They claim major schemes such as the replacement for the St James Centre risk being delayed or shelved by "anti-development forces peddling fears about the impact of World Heritage status".

Tom Buchanan, convener of economic development for the local authority, believes that rather than being a "badge of honour," Edinburgh's World Heritage status is in danger of becoming a symbol of a lack of confidence and fears for the future.

He concedes that City of Edinburgh Council research has found that more than two-thirds of visitors to the capital cite its historic environment as the main inspiration in booking a trip. But he said there was "considerable dereliction and decay" in the Old Town, while the New Town suffered from a poor streetscape, congested roads and, on Princes Street, "second-rate and under-used" buildings.

Mr Buchanan said: "It is not just major developments which see anti-development forces peddle fears about the impact on the World Heritage site. We regularly see the world heritage site being used as a tool to champion stagnation and fight against almost any development in the city. I hope Unesco remembers our World Heritage status was awarded to Edinburgh as a living city, not as an isolated monument or structure."

Neil Baxter, the secretary of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland, said: "We are concerned over recent sabre-rattling from Unesco, particularly their threat to withdraw World Heritage status unless major planning decisions address their specific requirements. The careful conservation of the best of the past must be set alongside judicious new development within the weave of the city. Unesco is a hugely important force for good, but we allow it to become the arbiter of the future of the capital at our peril."

Ron Hewitt, the chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "We know of developers who have said they will not invest again in Edinburgh because of the time it takes to progress major applications."

Four major schemes will be examined by Dr Mechtild Rössler, Europe and North America chief at Unesco's World Heritage Centre, and Professor Manfred Wehdorn, of the International Council on Monuments and Sites, between tomorrow and Friday. They will be briefed on the Caltongate scheme earmarked for the Old Town, the towering Haymarket hotel development, the proposed replacement for the St James Centre and the regeneration of Leith Docks.

Supporters and critics have been invited to meet the Unesco duo, who will be meeting also some of the strongest critics of the council and the way it has handled major applications. Senior officials from Historic Scotland and Linda Fabiani, the culture minister, are also expected to play host to the delegation, while the council has lined up visits to Edinburgh Castle, the newly-refurbished Grassmarket and St Andrew Square, and the site of the Cowgate fire, which is earmarked for a major hotel development.

Sally Richardson, spokeswoman for the Save the Old Town Campaign, which is battling the Caltongate development, said: "It appears that the council, along with the development lobby, place no importance on Edinburgh's World Heritage status. Many concerned people in the city now believe they would happily see it removed."

Jenny Dawe, the council leader, who will host a private reception tomorrow, strikes a more diplomatic tone than her colleague Mr Buchanan, perhaps conscious of the bad publicity that could dog Edinburgh during Unesco's inquiry. She said: "We do value having World Heritage status, the last thing we want to do is lose it."

Adam Wilkinson, director of Edinburgh World Heritage, declined to be interviewed by The Scotsman. It is understood his organisation faces being stripped of the £1.5 million in funding from the council and Historic Scotland if it is overly critical while the inquiry is ongoing. However, in a statement, he said: "There is broad agreement that the needs of heritage, development and the city's different communities can be accommodated, and the mission is here to see how we work towards that goal. Their experience, with an overview of over 850 world heritage sites, will be enormously useful."

Moira Tasker, director of the Cockburn Association, the city's other leading heritage watchdog, said: "Edinburgh's strength is the quality and drama of its physical setting and environment. We should seek to build on this strength to attract residents, visitors and businesses. Cities are living organisms which need care, renewal and development. World Heritage Status does not prevent this; it enhances Edinburgh's attractiveness as a place to live, work and visit."

A spokeswoman for Historic Scotland said: "We welcome the opportunity for the Unesco inspectors to understand each of the proposed developments that the city council have been considering."

Developments under scrutiny

CALTONGATE The most recent controversial scheme to be approved by Edinburgh's planners is also believed to be have triggered Unesco's interest in the city's world heritage status. However, the £300 million development earmarked for a huge swathe of empty land near Waverley Station is also the most advanced of the projects Unesco is looking at. It was approved by the Scottish Government in June. Two listed buildings and a block of Royal Mile tenements will make way for a five-star hotel under developer Mountgrange's plans

HAYMARKET

The site of the Haymarket development, a former goods yard, has lain derelict for more than 40 years. The city council had been planning to redevelop the site but agreed to sell it to Irish firm Tiger, which has pledged 1,700 new jobs. The current car park at Morrison Street would be replaced by the 17-storey five-star hotel, a three-star budget hotel, offices, shops and restaurants. However, critics have compared it to an "alien spaceship from Dr Who" and warned that it will ruin the skyline.

ST JAMES CENTRE

The redevelopment of the notorious shopping centre and the former Scottish Office is widely seen as the most important city-centre development in a generation. A new shopping arcade, two hotels, 250 flats and a new multi-storey car park are planned by Henderson Global Investors. However, the developer has been forced to scale back a "gherkin-style" tower at its heart after a string of heritage groups complained.

LEITH DOCKS

More than 15,000 homes are expected to be created by developer Forth Ports over the next 30 years. Although detailed plans are yet to emerge, concerns have been raised about the scale of iconic tall buildings that are planned .


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  • Last Updated: 10 November 2008 11:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Buttress,

11/11/2008 00:30:06
For the latest news on the visit which isn't gagged by anyone, read:

www.eh8.org.uk

the Bath visit:

www.bathheritagewatchdog.org

Mr Buchanan (and the unnamed 'many' who are questioning the WHS status) should be ashamed of his very ignorant remarks. It would be useful if he can back up statements such as 'We regularly see the world heritage site being used as a tool to champion stagnation and fight against almost any development in the city' with concrete references? Who in any position of importance with regard to conservation has said the city should stagnate? And to suggest UNESCO hasn't any idea what Edinburgh's World Heritage status is about is unbelievable arrogance in his behalf. I suggest he resigns.

'Senior figures' and Neil Baxter would do well to remember that it is the UK government which puts forward sites for World Heitage status, and it is the UK government which will be looking carefully at what is happening in Edinburgh. It has signed agreements which we should honour, the WH status is not within the remit of a few ignoramuses in Edinburgh to throw away.

If Edinburgh wishes to be seen by the rest of the world as unregarding of its status as a WHS, and some of its citizens as Philistines, it would do well to remember that these sites belong to all the people of the world.

WH status does not prevent sensitive new development. It should be seen as a spur to development of the highest quality, while respecting the heritage of the city.

Ron Hewitt - you are a mouthpiece for Mountgrange (Caltongate). Mountgrange holds your property portfolio. Remember many of your members do not agree with you. Your only function is to promote big business. You can hardly be regarded as anyone who should be listened to. You have no idea at all about heritage issues.




2

S'me,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 00:46:51
"he said there was "considerable dereliction and decay" in the Old Town, while the New Town suffered from a poor streetscape, congested roads and, on Princes Street, "second-rate and under-used" buildings."
He's absolutely right.... Edinburgh is grubby these days, a gradual decline that most inhabitants don't seem to notice. Go to any comparable city and on return you notice how dirty and grubby it is with its scarred, pockmarked roads and pavements. The atmosphere too at times can be intimidating with feral looking people intimidating you.. there is a general acceptance of the state the city is in, where has the pride gone? The festival this year could have gone by unnoticed, not a flag or sign of celebration.
3

Buttress,

11/11/2008 00:47:15
Adam Wilkinson in a World Heritage Day speech

full text here:

http://www.ewht.org.uk/GetFile.aspx?ItemId=499

"Edinburgh is going for economic growth: this is a reality we all accept and welcome, but leads to the question of how growth is going to affect the public interest and the outstanding universal values of the World Heritage Site. After all, the city’s unique selling point is itself. Naturally we would all hope for growth to benefit the World Heritage Site
but people are fearful that developers and politicians will repeat the mistakes of the past. The success of past repairs in the WHS have made it an attractive and desirable place to live and have helped increase property values that developers wish to make
money from. Poor development will kill the goose that laid the golden egg – this I think is the real challenge ahead of us. And it is a fragile golden egg – the remarkable visuacontinuity which forms the civilising backdrop to our lives can easily be shattered, to the detriment of all. There are plenty of good examples over the last hundred years of how
not to damage this, indeed of how to complement this – from Geddes Ramsay Gardens at the top of the high street to the building we are in now – intelligent responses to a rare and precious context. I hope that Edinburgh can weather the current deteriorating
global financial situation and attract the right kind of development without damaging the outstanding universal values of the World Heritage Site."
4

Buttress,

11/11/2008 00:51:17
2 - Unfortunately, the Caltongate scheme will see the demolition of handsome listed buildings, which isn't going to enhance the attractiveness of the Old Town one bit. Nor is the rest of the clone town newdevelopment - if it ever goes ahead, which is another issue.

5

sjs,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 00:58:59
What is outrageous is that they are using the argument that World Heritage Status is stifling development. This is only the case because Edinburgh is so pathetically awful at enforcing proper heritage standards on new developments in sensitive areas.

For example the new building being unveiled on the corner of the Royal Mile and Bank Street. It is absolutely awful. It does not fit into its surroundings at all. It is unashamedly modern. If Edinburgh set the example that this is not allowed, future developers would put forward more sympathetic plans in the first place, and not have to wait years on plans being re-submitted and rechecked again and again to wittle out the most offensive features of their banal designs.

It isn't rocket science people. You go anywhere in Europe, you will see sympathetic designs for developments in old areas, whilst new developments like Leith or Haymarket, outwith the city centre, can be more creative with their modern design, which is what everyone wants... providing they don't impact on the historic core of the city centre itself.

I'm really ashamed Edinburgh can't get this right. Travesties like the parliament should not only be disgraced but demolished. Fair enough a city must grow, but it must also have respect for its heritage and identity, and encourage its standing as a capital city and major tourist attraction.

Developments like the trams will ruin our historic skyline with trampoles and if a stand isn't made now I can see tourism being very heavily hit. More sympathetic developments and sensible architects/plans being submitted might make the planning process faster. All we need now are the architects...
6

Buttress,

11/11/2008 01:19:34
A major problem in Scotland is that planning policies for the protection of the historic environment are so poor that 'economic development' can be claimed for anything new, and so listed buildings can be and are demolished with the minimum of fuss.

Planning guidance in England does not allow this unless it's for something truly major with genuine wide public benefit, such as a major transport scheme. In Scotland, all a developer has to do is claim 'jobs' and 'investment' and they can get round the very weak protection. The fact that existing buildings can be adapted for fresh use, and it's hardly sustainable to demolish, is ignored. Jobs and investment (claims are usually greatly exaggerated anyhow) don't always require new build, but developers make more profit. The system is driven by greed and backed up by people like Hewitt at the Chamber of Commerce promoting his developer pals to the numpties at the council and parliament.

It's a national disgrace. Scotland is years behind the times in outlook, witness Buchanan's silly and uninformed remarks above.

7

Incandescent,

11/11/2008 02:51:31
Yes, we get it Buttress.
8

Bibamus,

11/11/2008 07:24:21
#2 couldn't agree more. I was born and brought up in Edinburgh and I used to be proud of that and prouud of the City -not ant more, it is a disgrace. Having said that I would be delighted to see the St James Centre flattened
9

Kate,

Zurich 11/11/2008 08:08:38
#2, you are so right and that has nothing to do with heritage status or conservationists hindering meaningful development. That has everything to do with good maintenance and repairs practice, shoddy workmanship and cheap materials. Edinburgh is a gorgeous city that is being neglected and allowed to rot. There is no excuse for the terrible condition of roads and pavements around the centre, nor for the attitude that it's always someone else's problem or responsibility. Edinburgh is the responsibility of all.
10

eric,

11/11/2008 08:34:38
Its too late .they are carving it up for own personal gain. im glad i left years ago,its lay empty and closed for decades while Glasgow got a good 30yr ahead.
They say Edinburgh is booming now mmmm,the new developments are in bad taste.its more like Blackpool of the north .so sad.
11

roadstohell,

11/11/2008 08:40:56
Oh come on now, how stupid do you think the people of Edinburgh are ?, You may think "very stupid" because the have allowed money spinning schemes like the trams to go ahead unchallenged. However,it is obvious that those that question the retention of World Heritage Site status, simply want to eliminate one barrier to unfettered and inapropriate developments for this (once) fine city.
Who will benefit from these developments ?
The citizens of Edinburgh ?, or the corrupt lending banks and the architectural vandals, who seek to replace building of historic significance and architectural merit with cheap & shoddy "carbuncles", cf New Royal Infirmary.
I can hear the sound of greedy little paws rubbing together with glee and anticipation at the loss of world heritage site status.
Who will want to visit a city of carbuncles,road works and a flawed tram route?.
12

Seb,

11/11/2008 09:01:49
UNESCO have only ever deleted one place of its World Hertage Status and this visit is likely to lead to development being monitored not put on a threatened list. For those that have high hopes of the visit changing the decisions on Caltongate/Haymarket I'd be prepared for disappointment.
13

Nic83,

11/11/2008 09:12:05
Is there really a choice to be made between heritage and development? I totally agree with the posts above - if our council wasn't so inept it would find a way of allowing harmony between Edinburgh's past and its future. Instead, the city is a total mess of never-ending tram works and Princes Street continues to decline despite the promises of the 'string of pearls' regeneration. It's not rocket science!! Get it fixed!!
14

xen,

11/11/2008 09:23:36
roadtohell: at least the NRIE is out of sight in little france (and that's the one building where they might have got away with building something tall, and they decided to do that instead)

i think people are just so caught up with the need for "modern" buildings that they think it's a choice between some cheap pastiche of the georgian or a skycraper/"iconic" (read: usually copied from someplace else - a "gherkin" styled building? how original) u would think the collective brain cells of the cooncil would inform them that development and heritage are not mutually exclusive!
15

Boy Wonder,

11/11/2008 09:30:15
I blame successive City Councils for not having the depth of vision and imagination required to capitalise on the World Heritage Status ... and the greedy developers who don't care one whit for retaining our historic buildings.

I think we're going to lose the status ... and things will certainly not get any better for it!
16

Peter60,

Leith 11/11/2008 09:32:59
Edinburgh City Council's only purpose in life is to help its (usually foreign) pals in the building trade.

End of story. Sadly.

A priceless city allowed to go to Omni Centre-style ruin because no-one is able to stop them.

Wherever there's a beautiful view, build on it.

I despair.
17

Farky,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 10:08:32
The current status that Edinburgh enjoys would be sadly missed - make no bones about it! The council have allowed to many ugly developments to proceed, though they will never admit it. Cllr Buchanan's remarks speak volumes about the man himself, he clearly cares little, and knows little about the city he represents!

For too long the fabric of Edinburgh has been allowed to decay, the monuments and other stone work (high school yard steps and Burns monument) for example, the iron work, the parks and gardens. And to top that we have some of the cheapest and ugliest street furniture/lighting that I've seen.

Whilst it is important for new developments to proceed, a far higher degree of sympathy is required. It is also important that the heritage we have is cared for to the highest of standards!
18

Studio Space,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 10:10:21
According to worldarchitecturenews.com work on Haymarket has now started?

"Most of the social functions of the hotel are placed at the top of the building, acting as a beacon at night and functioning as a gateway building marking entry into the World Heritage Site when approaching from the west.

This enhancement is expected to breathe new life into an area that is in much need of rejuvenation, enabling it to play a major role in the future economic and social life of the city."

19

Buttress,

11/11/2008 10:35:06
The Haymarket 17 storey hotel (which will ruin the 'iconic' skyline of Edinburgh) has not yet been approved - that decision is still with Ministers.

Still if they can OK Caltongate and Trump's mega building site with golf courses, then they will approve anything. Why? Well, they listen to people like Hewitt and are fooled. His developer (sorry 'investor') chums must have been delighted the day he took on the job with Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce.

If they say no then there are howls about how the country is closed for investors. No it isn't - but there are some who genuinely will invest, others who want to rape and pillage.
20

Logie Almond,

11/11/2008 10:38:30
Edinburgh managed to susttain massive development after it was granted World Heritage Site status in 1996 without causing any major damage to the site. The Financial District and Edinburgh Park provided thousands of jobs. It's only in the last few years that developments have been allowed which will certainly damage the WHS site and the problem has become a lot worse since the LibDem/SNP administration took over. You now have a lot of inexperienced or weak councillors who are not able to stand up to the officials and tell them when enough is enough.
21

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 10:42:35
#20 Logie Almond

Plus all the tram money the council gets for approving ugly buildings.
22

Buttress,

11/11/2008 10:44:08
But the Caltongate plans are the vanity project of ceartain previous councillors, no longer serving (although still batting for the developer... in a different guise...).

UNESCO has been critical in the past about too much inappropriate development however. But the council (past and present) took no heed.
23

New Town Resident,

11/11/2008 11:10:44
#5 SJS

What an excellent post you write, albeit summarising the bl**ding obvious. Why can't everybody see it?

As the Cockburn Society rightly states there is absolutely no conflict between business and sympathetic development. The better the build quality the more the spirit of the place rises and so more people are attracted to do business, visit and shop.

Edinburgh was fortunate along with Prague to be one of the only two major North European historic cities not to suffer from bomb damage - you'd hardly know that now. What have Warsaw, Frankfurt, Dresden, Leipzig done? - all very sucessful cities - they rebuilt their historic centres in keeping with what was there before.

Here we seem to have a real problem since the 1960s with ignorant politicians and a strange combination of developers and architects focused on cheap latest fashion rubbish. So sad - only the Scandic Crown Hotel shows what is possible. Holyrood is bad because its totally inappropriate, as is the new building at the corner of Bank Street. Look at the weather stains on both already, amybe someone is shedding a tear?

We've written directly to UNESCO pleading for them to protect Edinburgh from people like Baxter, Buchanan and Hewitt - please other readers, do the same if you have time.
24

Buttress,

11/11/2008 11:18:15
I like Holyrood, I think the Scandic Crown appalling.

There is no need to go down the route of poor pastiche, it is possible to build new in old places without spoiling them. It's just too many architects can't do it, too many developers want the max from the site.


25

World class concrete,

11/11/2008 11:33:15
#23 I agree with you and #5. And not only does Edinburgh Council not seem to care about WH status, it is even approving inappropriate development against the advice of its own officials (e.g. the recent loss of a walled garden in Forth/Hart Street to a designer house by Richard Murphy). Any attempts by local people to protect the WHS lead to accusations of nimbyism, and the heritage bodies look the other way.
26

Studio Space,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 11:34:28
Therein lies the rub Edinburgh, even conservationists can't sort out the good from the absolutely appalling
27

Peter60,

Leith 11/11/2008 11:41:12
Hmmmm. Two hours ago this was the lead online story. Now it's buried near the bottom of the News page.

Shurely not some sort of PRESSURE?

Has the press got its snout in the trough as well?
28

Buttress,

11/11/2008 11:41:45
Oh but we can.

Holyrood is good. Time will be kind to it. I appreciate that some think that we should carry on building pastiches from the past, but historicism has had its day and that was many decades ago.

We can build new in old places. Many much loved historic buildings were deemed quite radical in their time.
29

Buttress,

11/11/2008 11:54:37
27 - Oddly it's deemed an 'opinion' piece. Not the lead one there any longer either!

However, I gather that TV and press has been in contact with campaigners, so I don't think the story will be going away yet.



30

Studio Space,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 11:56:05
Really, I've always found the parliament torture as a visitor; dark and unwelcome at the entrance, hard to find your way around, an upside down building and where is difficult to distinguish the important from the mundane. I doubt very much if time will be kind to it.
31

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:05:34
I do know many who like it.

And far far better than anything Allan Murray has inflicted on the city.

The Omni?
32

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:08:57
More of that speech quoted above here:


http://www.eh8.org.uk/tom_buchanan_s_heritage_development_speech
33

New Town Resident,

11/11/2008 12:09:41
#28. Butress

Sorry, but don't agree with you, when you have a cityscape then context is all, not abrupt contrasts. Pastiche seems rather a loaded word with you I think, or do you admit there is good pastiche - what do you think of some of the Duchy of Cornawall stuff for example?

Take the new (60s)houses opposite the Holyrood, I think they would have been better as what you call "pastiche", even an architect of the quality of Basil Spence struggled here to combine modern with sympathetic references to the Royal Mile and Holrood.

By comparison what do you think "pastiche" architects like say Lorimer or Lutyens would have done instead?

More recently thank goodness the National Gallery extension in Trafalgar Square was called in, would you call the final result a pastiche? Compare it with the first RMJM Edinburgh modern school of architecture the multiple award winning modern block - New Zealand House, and seriously tell me you prefer the latter - context is surely what matters in a cityscape?

And regarding potential designs for new buildings in central Edinburgh there are plenty of facades by Adam and Playfair which were never built and they wouldn't charge any fees at all. Would using their facades be pastiches too in your definition?

The context of Holyrood is terms of its design and materials is clearly modern Mediterranean - light, climate etc. I'm sure it would like very fine on the seafront in say Valencia or Imperia and it wouldn't stain either.
34

Studio Space,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 12:14:36
Well, as for the architectural quality of the parliament that's made things much clearer for me, that you know many who like it.

Many more will like the Scandic Crown, I'll bet. Perhaps you know them too?
35

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:19:09
Well, the ones I know who, like the parliament building sort of write about architecture for a living.

But I don't think they have ever waxed terribly lyrical about the Scandic Crown, which is really a bit of a Disney joke. We need decent contemporary architecture, which takes its cues from the city, but it doesn't have to be pastiche and poor pastiche at that.

There are architects out there who can do it. It's just Allan Murray gets the work... I don't like Quartermile either, but that's another story.
36

New Town Resident,

11/11/2008 12:24:18
#31. What a choice you offer! I think on balance even the OMNI is better than Holyrood for 2 reasons, it reflects the buildings opposite (while they are still there)and is also "fit for purpose".
37

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:24:52
Re context - yes but... it can be done without badly apeing the past to the extent of crazy paving walls and faux turrets - and Lorimer and Lutyens used the past but moved it on. Oh for a Lorimer or Lutyens for the Canongate...





38

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:27:39
Well 36 - it's clear we will not agree. So no point in pontificating. I do think Holyrood has its problems, but so did the Palace of Westminster when built. It also does take many of its cues from its context.

One of the UNESCO mission is an architect.

Worth reading what he said about Bath.

39

New Town Resident,

11/11/2008 12:34:52
#35. Thats the problem, the professionals who follow the latest academic fashion. Didn't the experts all wax lyrical about New Zealand House at the time, and didn't the RMJM building just being demolished on Bank Street and BHS store that started the rot on Prices Street (which set the precedent fianlly leading to the New Club brutalism) win all sorts of awards at the time too? Find a "critic" to defend now if you can.

OK its all subjective. My only answer, have some decent open competitions and let the public vote. Public architecture is just too important and significant in its impact on society to be treated as the private preserve of the "architecturally educated" - leave that sort of approach to painting please.
40

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:36:52
By the way - having had a good rant I do encourage all to read Coun Buchanan's speech... ;-)

It's so easy to take things things out of context isn't it Brian F?

http://www.eh8.org.uk/tom_buchanan_s_heritage_development_speech


However - it is clear that Scottish planning policy isn't working to protect historic buildings and areas as it should.

41

WKKB,

11/11/2008 12:45:10
If they had reconsidered the £400mil for a tram system that only benefits a few and put the money into cleaning up the old town area and spruce up the treescapes in the new town. When it comes right down to is this is a historical city, dating back centuries, it should be preserved. Build your big concrete and glass structures outside the city, expand the city if needs be but leave the history for the generations to come to visit and enjoy. Some young people who have lived here all their lives think it's just old stuff, they haven't been taught the value of history but ask an old timer and he/she can tell you every wonderful building they've torn down for yet another eyesore to be built in it's place
42

Buttress,

11/11/2008 12:46:10
39 - actually some that I know who admire it write about historic architecture... and don't simply follow the latest fads. :-) As I said - time will tell.

I think the rot on Princes Street maybe began when a couple of fine buildings were allowed to be demolsihed despite national outcry for the daft walkway in the sky idea.

However, I don't think the BHS building offensive. Buildings come into and out of fashion - it wasn't so long ago Georgian buildings were being torn down as being dull and repetitive, then it was the turn of the 'over ornate' Victorians...

43

Buttress,

11/11/2008 13:17:12
"Conclusion

A city that is complete is a dead city. Edinburgh is not complete but is a living organism and must therefore continuously evolve and adapt. Yet heritage is what makes Edinburgh special and gives this city a competitive edge over rivals both near and far.

As much as we do not seek to become a tourist theme park with heritage as the only string to our bow, we do not want to see unchecked development dilute our Unique Selling Point. We do not want to be Anytown, Anyplace, Anycountry.

If our aim is to achieve sustainable economic growth, then that must be more than just increased GDP and reduced Carbon emissions, it is about Economy, Society and Environment. We must nurture all three elements if we are to successfully maintain and build upon the prosperity of our past.

Yes we are open for business, but not at any cost. We must recognise this city's value and use our heritage as a tool to our mutual advantage. Heritage and international acclaim will allow us to set a standard far higher than the average, letting us demand and ultimately achieve more.

It is not a question of heritage or development. There should be no battle. We can, and must, preserve the heritage of the past whilst adding the heritage of the future..."

Coun Buchanan and Adam Wilkinson aren't actually that far apart it seems... shame about Ron Hewitt. And Mountgrange.

;-)




44

Buttress,

11/11/2008 13:22:56
Now here's Hewitt on Caltongate:

"The applications are vital to
renewing a neglected area of the
City….they are complementary to
the Council's own redevelopment of
the Waverly Court site and continue
the theme of environmental
sensitivity, energy, efficiency and
modern architect sensitive to the
historical environment. The developer
has been exemplary in the levels and
frequency of consultation in the
planning process. They have
responded to objections and
amended plans to satisfy such
objections."
Ron Hewitt, Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce

Oh dear.

45

DesertRatNM,

NM USA 11/11/2008 13:26:04
The buildings in Edinburgh could definitely use sand-blasting. We tourists can’t see any detail in the pictures we take of the historic buildings. A first positive move would be to tear down the monstrosity that is the new Parliament building. I remember the discussion of the costs on this blog; but, I never realized how out of place and ugly it really is until a visit last Spring. Any people that would build something that ugly are not ready for self-rule.
46

Buttress,

11/11/2008 13:34:23
Sorry but sand blasting is dreadfully bad for buildings, it can damage and erode the stone very rapidly. The dirt can be part of the history.


47

Buttress,

11/11/2008 13:53:27
However Coun Buchanan, you are so wrong about Quartermile:

"And Quartermile, the development of the old Royal Infirmary site, is successfully blending the old with the new. It is particularly worth remembering the significant number of Grade A listed buildings which were demolished in order to facilitate that development, but that ultimately the net gain for the city will be a new and interesting neighbourhood."

It would have been far, far better to retain the listed buildings, and no it's not a new and interesting neighbourhood. It's an example of how NOT to do it.




48

Seb,

11/11/2008 14:06:10
Buttress are you speaking to the UNESCO reps on Thurs/Fri?
49

Buttress,

11/11/2008 14:10:55
No, I'm leaving that to those who have campaigned long and hard and who deserve to be heard...

Sir Terry is speaking too I see to the mission.




50

Burg Resident,

11/11/2008 14:49:16
I was at the conference on Friday where Councillor Buchanan spoke and it does seem that the journalist has misrepresented him.

The Councillor's said we needed to preserve our heritage and accept development - it isn't either/or.

As far as I can tell, he and Mr Wilkinson do share much common ground.
51

Buttress,

11/11/2008 14:55:46
Apart from the demolition of listed buildings! I don't think the former Secretary of SAVE Britain's Heritage and SAVE Europe's Heritage actually would find that acceptable.


Edinburgh is a fragile place to muck about with. It needs much more care than at times is given.







52

Western Gael,

11/11/2008 16:49:44
Buttress 6

"Jobs and investment" are the last argument of a developer whose plans have been caught out, and red meat to Councilors at risk in the next election. World Heritage or not, all decisions are ultimatelly local, and often venal.
53

Buttress,

11/11/2008 17:23:26
I so agree - sadly it's enshrined in planning policy.

54

Buttress,

11/11/2008 17:28:58
But you know - I've been looking at the Doolan Award joint winner in Edinburgh, and it did remind me of other buildings...

http://www.bathheritagewatchdog.org/wrdifference.htm




55

Seb,

11/11/2008 17:50:44
Hmmm... is that a problem? It's a bit like saying that Georgian buildings of one area look like Georgian buildings in another. As to the BHW question "Should new dwellings in Bath be designed like a London office block?" the answer has to be "why not?" Robert Adam managed to build commercial, civic, residential and rural buildings that all bore a remarkable similarity. And they had details drawn from Spalatro, hardly local!

I'm not sure what I find more depressing, the success of Allan Murray or someone hailing Ian Begg's dreadful High Street hotel.

What we need is a benign dictatorship ruled by me. It wont make everyone happy, but it would please me.
56

Buttress,

11/11/2008 18:34:01
It is a problem in Bath, where the buildings will stick out of the landscape setting like a sore thumb, and was one of the things triggering the UNESCO visit. The DCMS and the developers claim that these are designed especially for Bath, but the reality is that these are anyplace buildings designed to be plonked in Bath. Min design input, max cash.

The success of Murray is certainly more depressing. I have decreed.





57

Seb,

11/11/2008 19:29:09
I still have a problem with the argument that there is something wrong with the new build being the "current fashion" in architecture. The Georgian architecture was the "current fashion" then, in fact the buildings in the pictures they've chosen show them to be distinctly Georgian rather than distinctly Bath - the quality and tone of the stone is what gives them a local flavour, not their design.

I see that BHW wants classical proportion and string courses applied to the new build.

BTW, I don't think Allan Murray designed the Omni, just the office block next to it.
58

Kitti Kat,

Newtown Square 11/11/2008 20:23:28
At the rate Edinburgh is tearing down historic and wonderful old buildings and putting up those dreadful new buildings, she deserves to lose the World Heritage title. It is sad that those in control don't see that they are allowing Edinburgh to sink into the likes of New York, etc. can't anyone stop this sensless raping of the city and the history that makes Edinburgh so wonderful before it's too late?
59

Mallory,

Edinburgh 11/11/2008 20:35:36
Can Donald Trump afford to do his Menie thing? He seems to be suing in the States to keep open a bank loan.
see http://preview.tinyurl.com/6epfov

And how are Mountgrange faring in the 'credit crunch'?


60

Buttress,

11/11/2008 21:00:18
Well, have problems - BHW does a worthwhile and tongue in cheek job, you don't have to agree. I haven't looked in depth at what it wants.

But it's pile it high and sell it cheap stuff. I do recall a Radio Bristol interview with the then Sec of SAVE about it all - maybe you should ask him.

Allan Murray Architects:

OMNI DEVELOPMENT, EDINBURGH, 2005
AMA won the international competition for the last gap site in Edinburgh's East end in 1998. Our detailed urban analysis of the site generated two distinct buildings comprising the leisure building called ‘Omni’ and a flagship office building, called ‘Calton Square’.

Allan Murray Architects developed the designs of both buildings up to Planning and developed and implemented the design of Calton Square. The Parr Partnership were the implementation architects for the Omni Development. The "Omni" leisure building includes the Warner Village 12 screen multiplex cinema, a five-star hotel, health + fitness clubs and various bars.

So there you go. Love it or loathe it.






61

Buttress,

11/11/2008 21:04:46
Trump - I wonder, now he has to build the golf courses before the Trumpery Town, if it will happen...


Mountgrunge - they have gone very quiet, along with the PR company I note. I understand they will have their moment of glory, if they want it, alongside the opposition with the UNESCO mission.

I also gather that radio and BBC TV tomorrow morning has one of the Caltongate campaigners alongside Neil Baxter. I hope by then he has a bit more idea of what UNESCO does and how it works and what the delegation is here for (at the invitation of Historic Scotland).


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63

Buttress,

11/11/2008 22:46:11
Don't be silly.

But I do recall it being a useful and informative radio broadcast.





64

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 11/11/2008 23:57:12
A skillful photographer can always make Edinburgh look good. But on the ground Princes Street IS very tawdry and I think this is partly due to the rating system and little effort from the Council to recreate a city for living in. They want prestige projects. And money (backhanders, surely not in Embra). A 17 story tower hotel might fit with Haymarket which is mainly a traffic junction but the other projects look very cheap and miserable. (though making plenty for the developers the councillors that support them)

LIT, in effect a national income tax, could be a way forward. Otherwise people that enjoy the facilities of Edinburgh aren't paying for them.

Greater Edinburgh was designed around an efficient public transport system. Trams are a GOOD IDEA and can we have an effect suburban railnetwork too? Electric taxis instead of diesel clatterers?

Does every vacant site need a hotel, shopping complex, crammed luxury flats? If people are going to WORK in this city, they need affordable workshops and housing.
65

Buttress,

12/11/2008 08:28:56
I've just watched Neil Baxter on BBC TV.

He clearly has no idea of what WHS status means nor the role of UNESCO in monitoring that. It is NOT an 'outside' organisation but very much an inside one which grants WHS status, which is applied for by national governments. We sign up to protect those sites, we are supposed to have strong policies and management plans in place to do so.

If we fail in our international duty, then UNESCO is very entitled to intervene.

66

Seb,

12/11/2008 10:16:11
Ooh, I got a deleted, there's a first! Apologies if you were offended Buttress.
67

keyjeysi,

12/11/2008 15:52:26
I had opportunity to listen to the lecture of the UNESCO inspector about monument protection in World Heritage Sites of Central Europe. His language criticised the state of protection in Poland, exemplified by the city of Zamosc (inscribed in 1992), without clear understanding of the local culture and history. As far as I know, local authorities in Zamosc fully appreciated his (and fellow inspector’s) comments and used in own favor to get European funds.

The reaction of the local establishment to the UNESCO visit looks like a fear of damaging the tradition of the “splendid isolation”. I agree with Butress, they came to have a look at World’s heritage, which is not only local. Signing WH Convention is a responsibility, not only the prestige.

This is UNESCO’s responsibility to inspect sites in danger, and if necessary to criticize their poor management. It is about understanding to the matter and humility to the idea of globally shared heritage.

Finally, Poland’s most important WHSs (Krakow and Warsaw) do not have problems like Edinburgh because of understanding to heritage’s role, despite economic boost. At the end of the day, Poland exists on the World’s map thanks to the understanding of its heritage.

Does the situation reflect the state of culture?
68

Buttress,

12/11/2008 17:17:26
Thank you for that.

 

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