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Published Date: 11 September 2008
SCOTLAND'S national tourism body has been forced to change its main visitor website after it described the country's rail network as "limited" and "skeletal", The Scotsman has learned.
VisitScotland acted after First ScotRail complained about the wording in a travel guide for tourists.

A photograph showing a "Beware of the trains" sign beside railway tracks has also been taken off the website.

The move comes days after a R
oyal Society of Edinburgh report called for VisitScotland to be scrapped because of its poor performance.

One rail industry source said: "Passengers visiting the website were faced with a 'Beware of the trains' picture, then comments about 'a few' major stations and 'Scotland's limited rail network'. (That] really encourages tourists to travel by rail."

The VisitScotland website advised tourists that "Scotland has a modest rail network, at its most dense in the Central Belt, at its most skeletal in the Highlands."

It added: "Scotland has a few major stations that are the cornerstones of its modest rail network … connecting services serve Scotland's limited rail network."

However, following objections from First ScotRail, which runs most of the country's trains, the wording has been changed.

It now states that, despite the few main lines in the Highlands, these link with most of the major ferry ports to the Hebrides.

In a further change, the website now refers to Scotland having "a number of major stations". The words "modest" and "limited" to describe the rail network have been removed.

First ScotRail said it had assisted VisitScotland with improving the website wording.

A spokesman said: "We were disappointed with the content and have offered advice on updating the website.

"We are committed to boosting tourism and there is so much to tell – from the West Highland and Kyle lines being among the 'Great Journeys of the World' to our famous Caledonian Sleepers, and the Forth Bridge being hailed as the eighth wonder of the world.

"Many of our products are aimed at tourists. For example, overseas visitors are now able to book their tickets online before they set foot in Scotland.

"The internal leisure market is also important and has been boosted by offering free travel for up to two children when travelling with an adult."

VisitScotland said it acted immediately after receiving the complaint from First ScotRail.

A spokesman said: "As soon as we found out what was there, it was changed almost instantly. There was an image on there as well so that has been removed.

"The wording has all been changed. It's now in a far more positive light. We always welcome feedback.

"We have been liaising with visitscotland.com to ensure that the appropriate amendments have been to that section of the site".

On Monday, a Royal Society of Edinburgh report recommended that VisitScotland should be replaced with a new organisation.

It said that the body was too centralised, had insufficient funding and did not focus enough on areas needing support.

ANALYSIS

VISITSCOTLAND'S description of the Scottish rail network was largely accurate, if unflattering, according to experts.


Frank Roach, partnership manager of the Highlands and Islands Transport Partnership, said the network reflected the country's rugged topography.

Although large areas of the Highlands were bereft of trains, they served most towns. There are just two routes north of Inverness, and only two up the west coast, but this is similar to a century ago.

Line closures, such as those by Beeching in the 1960s, largely affected the east coast, central belt and southern Scotland. The Borders were among the biggest losers, but the Edinburgh-Tweedbank line is due to be re-opened in 2013.






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  • Last Updated: 10 September 2008 11:54 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: ScotRail , The railways
 
1

subrosa,

11/09/2008 00:41:51
A spokesman said: "As soon as we found out what was there, it was changed almost instantly. There was an image on there as well so that has been removed.

You couldn't make it up. The incompetence of visitscotland is unsurpassable. Who wrote the text for the site? Who has responsibility for such blunders? Nobody that's who. Hopeless organisation and I do sincerely hope they are disbanded and few of the present executives re-employed. The tourist industry needs an organisation that works with them and not against them.
2

truthsleuth,

11/09/2008 00:49:34
Visit Scotlands 'advert' did as much damage to Scotland as a tourist attraction as it did to the rail services of Scotland.
Compared with the rest of the UK Scotlands rail services are expanding and providing a better service.
Visit Scotlands bosses should be sacked.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 01:10:03

The last thing tourists coming to Scotland will think about, is our "Train Service",

It really is a, 'non-issue'!
4

nolimits,

Far North 11/09/2008 02:36:04
Hmm..well in my trip over there, I found the rail travel experience ok. Over here in Western Canada, passenger rail service is alternate days east-west. Must be the distances I guess, plus all our trackage is set up for freight.
5

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 11/09/2008 04:03:59
With due respect to Charles Linskaill #3,he is absolutely mistaken.

A spokesman for FirstScotRail now says "Many of our products are aimed at tourists. For example, overseas visitors are now able to book their tickets online before they set foot in Scotland."

I am very happy to hear this because it was not possible in June when I wanted tickets for July. In fact, it was very difficult for my cousin in Inverness to order tickets for me to pick up in Glasgow. They didn't provide for third party pickup.

If they have now that those problems straightened out, they should turn their attention to providing sufficient luggage room on Inverness-Glasgow trains.
6

Kate,

Zurich 11/09/2008 07:08:36
For once the visitscotland website said something accurate! Scotland's rail service is too expensive, shoddily run, using outdated rolling stock and is woefully inadequate. We want people off the roads but we do not do anything to encourage rail travel...
7

SouthernSkye,

Bonnie Bonn 11/09/2008 07:26:14
The rail service is not bad. I use the Edinburgh-Inverness-Kyle service quite often. It's OK, could be betterm but it's ok.
The Inv-Kyle train often needs a clean mind and the weather seems to throw a lot of issues at the Edinburgh-Inv route. Overall I'd give it 6 out of 10 compared to the service here in germany that I would give 9 out of 10.
8

Kate,

Zurich 11/09/2008 07:31:42
#Southern Skye, once you have travelled in Germany or more especially in Switzerland, you will understand that British rail and particularly Scotland's rail services are awful! The timetabling is a shambles, the pricing system requires a PhD, trains are dirty, old, more often than not late, the on board services are terrible. Second class travel in Germany, France and Switzerland is streets ahead of first class in the UK.
9

madrab,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 07:36:15
It would seem they forgot to mention overpriced, infrequent, poorly organised, cramped etc.

More than once I've arrived on a train to find that the reservations have been double booked, once on the last train south from Fort William. I don't think that the tourists on that train enjoyed standing on the 4 hour journey to Glasgow.
10

drunken proffet,

Tassy 11/09/2008 07:52:44
Tasmania has a narrow gauge railway system. Wanders all over the island and is mainly single track. Quite popular with the tourists since it is unlike most railway systems in the world. No complaints from the passengers since apart from the many railway enthusiast clubs who run special trains, they don't carry any. At present up for sale so any enthusiast with a couple of hundred million to invest will achieve the ultimate personal train set.
11

Bigwull,

edinburgh 11/09/2008 07:59:07
2nd rate, it must have improved!
12

Desmo1098,

11/09/2008 08:21:45
Visit Scotland called this one right and Scotrail threw the toys out of the pram. I need say no more look to #6 Kate for further details.
13

Macfak,

Fife 11/09/2008 08:25:34
The Tourist Board were doing the right thing. Its much more damaging to have tourists turn up expecting the rail system to be as good as their own country's only to find that its an absolute disgrace.

That would just lead to annoyed tourists taking that bad experience home with them and telling all their mates, instead of avoiding our dirty, infrequent trains and having a more enjoyable time.
14

clola,

south west africa 11/09/2008 08:29:57
travelled Aberdeen to Edinburgh few weeks ago. Office had bought tickets for my collection at aberdeen station at 0530 day of travel. Was not able to retrieve bought ticket[not enough accurate easy information], had to go to another machine and purchase one myself. Station was 'closed', no newspapers, no coffee, no getting on the train on arrival at the station, had to hang around until a few minutes before departure before boarding. Plenty of people in same situation. No quality treatment of the passengers. Train did however leave on time,was reasonably clean, not spotless, the grime had been 'rubbed in' over time.
Spoke to conductor during run south, he had huge number of tales to tell of the public being shafted, spoke for 30 mins without repeating himself.
Train arrived Edinburgh on time. Not a pleasant experience, but with one glimmer of illumination, the young lady who brought round the 'tea and biscuits' trolley was a delight, really friendly, approachable younster who tried her best with what was very limited fare from the trolley.
She was from Finland, studying in Aberdeen, nough said.
15

scottish person,

paisley 11/09/2008 08:32:30
Why only Scotland. I sat at Preston on a link train for 45 minutes while they tried to find a driver. British rail is rotten. Beeching should be dug up and battered for what he did to British Rail.
16

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 11/09/2008 08:38:23
We advertise a "world-class" railway i.e. it's antiquated, noisy, smelly and overcrowded. Most stations are tatty-looking that once were handsome additions to the municipality. Welcome to the forth world in the fifth dimension, tourists!

We have abundant electricity yet don't put it into clean, quiet, smooth running trains. The answer seems to be money put into a nationalised railway company that would build and run new trains that also connect to airports, ports etc. However fare returns will not pay for this. We need a scottish government that can mobilise scottish engineering. At present it can't even issue bonds though actually spending our own currency into existence is a better idea that would reduce tax (on bank repayments) and be non-inflationary. But that sort of forward thinking got american presidents assassinated.

Do we want trains that would indicate to visitors and perhaps investors in the country that we DO engineering here? The Highlands lines would be great for a hybred electric design (to save erecting wires) as is being done in rural Denmark.

Our financiers boast of being worth £100+ millions. For that you could have a trainset emblazoned with Sir Angus, Sir Brian, Sir Clifford or perhaps the name of your favorite mistress. Add to the gaiety of this dour Nation for there's more to life than making money and doing deals!
17

drunken proffet,

Tassy 11/09/2008 08:42:24
Why Dr Beeching, he knew nothing about trains. He got told to cut a large percentage of tracks out of the country, ignoring of course London and the near counties, and to make it sound scientific. You got the same deal from that lassy who changed the Education standards though I cannot remember her name. Just as well I would only abuse her memory.
18

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 08:50:34
#8 Kate

But then, reading the train timetable is one of the most exciting things in Switzerland. The admitted efficiency of the public transport hardly compensates for the sacharine dullness of the place (and the people to be honest). Yup, the best thing about the Swiss railway is you can use it to go to Italy.
19

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 11/09/2008 09:00:39
For years there has been talk of electrifying the rail link between Aberdeen & Edinburgh.

The thinking is it is too expensive due to the layout of the track & surrounds.

The REAL reason I suspect is a lack of will among the rail network & Govts.

I mean, WHO wants to improve transport link in & around Aberdeen? The bypass another case in point.
20

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

11/09/2008 09:10:28
I don't think First Scotrail are in any position to complain about this. I am a commuter, and use the Fife Circle service daily. It is absolutely shocking. It only gets worse in the tourist season.
21

Roy,

11/09/2008 09:17:56
The Ghost of Beeching still haunts Scotland...
22

gitee,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 09:21:21
Is this really an issue worth writing about - big deal VisitScotland said something negative about the trains in Scotland.

The author also needs to carry out better research. I have read the report by RSE and it does not ask for the abolition of VisitScotland instead it asks to give VisitScotand enhanced powers in the rural areas.

23

noswod,

Honestus 11/09/2008 09:31:59
Aye the SNP contributes to the decline of Railways in Scotland. Closing down the building of a New Waverely at Ediburgh Airport and stopping the building of the Waverely line by constructing a public method of funding which will never deliver the cash. Unfortunately our economist leader cannot see the benefits of long term capital investment in Railways
24

Kate,

Zurich 11/09/2008 09:36:19
#19 Draco, you've obviously never spent any time at all in Switzerland. It is stunningly beautiful, services and facilities are second to none and there is so much to see and do it is astonishing in such a small country. Scotland could learn a heck of a lot from the Swiss...but then, many Scots seem to think the only way is to whinge about how bad they have it instead of actually doing something about it.

I did not choose to move to Switzerland, but I certainly don't regret it!
25

Arran of Arran,

Isle of Arran 11/09/2008 10:06:51
One truth amongst all the lies — and they had to remove that truth.

Unbelivable.

26

Arran of Arran,

11/09/2008 10:14:54
to Kate, No 27

I know Switzerland very well and consider it is one of the main competitors on the European Market (together with Austria) to ourselves.

Your words could not be truer.

Yes, they have a working system for trains to airports. But in Switzerland the trains run into the terminals, not way out like planned in Glasgow.
Yes, Zurich is building 4 or 5 new tramlines through the inner city centre into the outskirts of their Edinburgh-sized city.
Yes, Switzerland is not cheap, but Scotland has become extremely expensive for the average continental.
Yes, one can eat in Switzerland in almost every restaurant a healthy, lean, tasty dish and not having to pay for this much overheated prices. Or is anyone of the idea that for a jacket potato with a tuna filling, 7 Pounds are a fair price?

As you say, Kate, Scotland could learn a heck of a lot.
27

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 11/09/2008 10:23:38
I'm not sure if the old "Britrail" ticket (which gave unlimited use of the rail network for a week/month/etc) still exists but it was grossly oversold by overseas travel agents. Many people bought a ticket under the misconception that they could travel anywhere in the UK and budgeted their holiday accordingly. This led to huge disappointment when they discovered how restricted, geographically, rail transport really is. Raising customer expectations and then failing to deliver is a short but certain road (or rail track) to destroying the market.

Footnote to VisitScotland:
The "Central Belt" of Scotland is about 100 miles north of the Edinburgh/Glasgow axis. You mean the Central Lowlands. To put it in terms you can relate to, it's a bit like calling London "Central England". As a tourist authority, surely you can lay your hands on a map of Scotland?
28

Alistair Macintosh,

11/09/2008 10:45:36
If you are a tourist driving up from the South your journey will be much worse. If you come up the East side you will first have to fight your way round the Edinburgh City No-pass, then try and survive the A9 without some frustrated overtaking lunatic killing you, then if you want to go through to Aberdeen you have to survive the equally scarey A96.
Rail problems, what rail problems?
29

SIACK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES - TO FUND AFRICA ???,

Auckland - New Zealand LOTS OF TOURISTS LURED HERE 11/09/2008 10:57:54
We live in New Zealand (Auckland) and perhaps the Scots should take a page from the Kiwi’s book.

New Zealand is actually larger that the whole of the UK, Auckland is the major commercial city and public transport is nothing short of pathetic. Actually pretty non existing. The trains are dirty, VERY slow and irregular. A trip from Auckland to Wellington takes about 14 hours and you can do that by car in 7.

My point is that perhaps if Scotland just presented itself in a more patriotic fashion ( like the Kiwis do) and not focus on the bad stuff but put beautiful pictures of what attracts folk to Scotland. The beauty, the history, Loch Ness. They may need to use TRAINS to get there. Craete the desire for a loaction not the vehicle to get there.

I agree that the website needs attention but the major component is there. In fact one of my best rail trips was the highland rail trip from Perth to Inverness. That needs to be splattered all over U Tube. Get creative, get innovative sell what you have not what you haven’t.

We were in Scotland for a month in Jan this year ( still the most stunning country) and never used the train once. Quite frankly it was too expensive. We hired a car so for us to have a double fee (three of us) was just too much.

If anything, get more smiling faces and customer friendly staff at the ticket offices. Our experience at the Dundee ticket office didn’t leave us wanting to use the train, we felt we were bothering the staff.

You have it now, just sell it better is my 5 cents. If the Kiwis can do it by holding things together with sticky tape and chewing gum the Scots can do way better, just need some Italian passion and you’re away.

Go yerself laddie

Get the Scots fired up to promote their own country the way the Kiwis do. No - not on shortbread tins please !!

YOU CAN DO IT !!!!!!
30

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 11:04:30
#26 Kate

Chaqun a son gout, I believe is the phrase. Like I say, the place may be efficient, squeekily clean and respectable, but it was nice to reach Italy. After a few days in Switzerland who needs Prozac?
31

SIACK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES - TO FUND AFRICA ???,

Get Creative 11/09/2008 11:17:43
Me again,

Just had to.

Switzerland is famous for Toblerone – right ?

Scotland is famous for trains – wrong !

A world appealing highland whisky tour – only the Scots make Scotch all other imitations are Bourbon.

Will Bourbon drinkers please take the bus.
32

Kate,

Zurich 11/09/2008 11:23:22
#33 Draco...ever heard of the Street Parade? The largest techno festival in the world and guess what, it happens the second weekend of August in Zurich! There are so many things to see and do here, next time you head to Italy, do stop off and give Switzerland the benefit of the doubt...you may learn something
33

SIACK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES - TO FUND AFRICA ???,

Sell SCotland 11/09/2008 11:33:42
So you want to see Scottish Castles like the one in Highlander.

Sorry, we don’t have these in Switzerland but you may just get to keep yer trousers on in Zurich.

There’s only one Highlands that blows up yer kilt.

Okay so maybe the train stations are drafty, maybe your next vacation should be to Switzerland.

I hear the beer is warm too.
34

SIACK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES - TO FUND AFRICA ???,

Only in SCotland 11/09/2008 11:35:28
Black pudding

That’ll scare the beegebbers out of ya.

Just like our train service. Who said Scotland was for the faint-hearted ?

Come and see the ruggedness, enjoy the Highland beauty, you’ll get the best dram in the whole world. Did we say we don’t have the best trains in the world ? Yes, it’s true we were beaten by the Swiss on that one.

Come and see Scotland you fall in love with Scotland, okay, not our trains.


35

EnglishHighlander,

11/09/2008 11:39:46
I only use the trains under protest!

Dirty, smelly, full of obnoxious youths trying to drown each other out with their trumped up mobile phones/mp3 players, people eating, drinking alcohol, talking loudly and standing on your toes - when you can actually get a seat!

Pity the poor conductor trying desperately to check tickets and not daring to try to instill any sort of order in the cramped carriages!

Give me the car any day!
36

SIACK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES - TO FUND AFRICA ???,

I'll have a Scotch & Iron Brew please - no ice ! 11/09/2008 11:42:03
If it wasnae for yer trains whar wid ye be ?

Who told you that trains were the big tourist attraction in Scotland ?

It’s true the English beat us up a few years ago and stole our trains, we managed to keep our castles though. Even the Queen likes a Scottish getaway.

By the way, do you know what train service she uses ?
37

SIACK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES - TO FUND AFRICA ???,

Auckland 11/09/2008 11:55:07
Yes – it is true

The Scottish trains are loud, people are allowed to talk ( it’s a Scottish thing) , we drink alcohol too ( after all we did patent Scotch) . Yes, we have even been accused of being smelly and crowded.

If you love the thrill of the London underground Monday morning you’ll feel right at home.

London, New York, Paris, the Highlands

We’re up there with them.

“Scottish Highlands the big city thrill with beautiful countryside”

Oh, did we tell you, we’re not famous for trains.
38

Stephen faeCraiglockhart,

11/09/2008 11:56:54
"Come to Scotland and experience our second rate railways..."

Am I the only one to find this constant use of "irony" (or is it "bathos") in Scotsman headlines irritating.

It seems that it is almost invariably aimed at cutting Scotland down to size and there must be dozens of examples.

Do you guys just hate the place or what?
39

Stephen faeCraiglockhart,

11/09/2008 12:06:26
"Surly, grungy, unshaven, with a volley of swear words – and he's No1 role model..."

That was yesterday's example. Do you see what I mean. The drip drip of it is just somehow annoying...

40

Ananurhing,

11/09/2008 12:06:37
#37 SIACK
"Black pudding
That’ll scare the beegebbers out of ya"

Steady now. Malign the black pudding at your peril. The real chieftan o' the pudding race. I've sampled black puddings from all over the world. Highlights have been black pudding rolls and cava in the Ramblas, Barcelona. Tuscan black pudding with beans. Tiny black puddings cooked with chicken in Gateiz (Basque capital)
All wonderful! Nothing, but nothing compares to a black pudding roll at the Motor Grill at Ballinluig on the A9.

Maybe this is the kind of thing Visitscotland should focus on. How about a black pudding festival! After all, it's what they do best. Lunchforscotland.com. would be more appropriate.

Agree with most of the posters. Rail services are extortionate and worse than third world.
41

brusque,

11/09/2008 12:21:59
Some time ago, I worked as a Temp for VisitScotland, in Inverness.

In an open plan office with 9 staff in total, I was the only Local person, and 6 of the other 8 staff were English.

I was there to help them catch up on a project which was 18 months behind!!! And collectively, they were probably one of the laziest and discourteous bunch of people it has ever been my misfortune to work with.

From day one, I was shown a cupboard which was bursting with forms which had been filled out by B&Bs, which were supposed to have been featured in their VisitScotland website, and brochure. 18 months on, only 6 of the forms had been processed, and I was employed as a Temp for 2 weeks to finish the job. I'm good, but I'm not superhuman, and I pointed that out on the 2nd day. The response I got from the Head of Department was "well, it's been lying there for 18 months, just do what you can".

They were a disgrace as an organisation, and couldn't care less for the work they were supposed to be doing, but were happy to take a 3 hour "Lunch" appointment to discuss some new restaurant being featured on the website! what they didn't tell people was that they would be waiting 2 years to see their advertisement.
42

newview,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 12:32:25
#44 Brusque...any comments you have are tainted by what appears to be parochial, anti-English sentiment that does yourself or Scotland no favours.
43

brusque,

11/09/2008 12:47:44
46#

why would you deem my comments "parochial and anti-English" when they are just an absolute statement of fact!

I am pointing out the anomalous situation of the VisitScotland office, being staffed almost entirely by english people.............and question whether it wouldn't have been possible to find some "local" people who were equally qualified for those jobs!

I've worked with English people in other areas, and had absolutely no problem with their work ethic or manners. The balance of English to Local in that situation was closer to 50/50.
44

Estate agents lie again,

11/09/2008 13:05:13
Scotland - home to the most disgusting views from a train anywhere in the world. And I've been to India. Litter, condoms, trolleys, bikes, not to mention the smell of urine and faeces in some parts. I'm ashamed to share a train with a tourist. But of course there's outrage and writs issued in today's PC world when you tell the truth.
Who owns the railway verges? Call the council or rail network to clean it up and they deny it's their resposnibility. But tell them you want to buy some land for a few million and they all own it.
Get it sorted and clean up this tip of a country.
45

Estate agents lie again,

11/09/2008 13:13:51
PS - I agree with Brusque on the increasing number of English folk being employed in the north of Scotland. I stayed in Aviemore last weekend. Did not meet a single Scots person working in the hotel or resort. They were English, Lithuianian and Polish. What's going on? Do local folk not want these jobs or is something else going on?
I worked in England for years with English folk. I'll be straight, I find many of the English very pushy, arrogant and ignorant of local history and culture. The ones from London and the home counties also seem unable to show everyday etiquette, such as standing up on the bus for a woman.
46

Armstrong Cowan Again,

Germany 11/09/2008 14:38:09
# 8
granted Swiss trains are ok and besides working there for several months I have been there 20 times but this continual rubbish about British trains gets on my nerves. I have commuted by train for 30 years in Germany and the system gets worse by the day. My fellow commuters describe the double decker trains sprouting up across Europe as "Schweinetransporter". They are cramped , the toilets are generally filthy if accessable, the automatic doors are constantly breaking down and a huge proportion of trains are very late. I would rather commute between Glasgow & Edinburgh anyday. The ICE network being built up here is generally reliable but how long do you think it takes to get to say Wolfsburg from Cologne as compared to the further distance of London to Edinburgh. Top train speed is irrelevant if A) the train doesn't leave on time and B) the track has not been upgraded or straightened out. Next time you are in the EU in stead of slowly meandering around mountains in Switzerland check out the Cologne-Paris trip. Compare like with like in future. The UK rail system is great.
47

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 11/09/2008 15:13:19
Scottish railways Suck!!! VisitScotland were being too kind, the whole thing is an absolute shambles...
48

Micropacer,

11/09/2008 17:22:04
Re Post 50

Most young people have to head away to get further education and a lot of them stay away. Most of my mates did and not many came back as there isnt that many jobs for skilled people up here.

What there happens to be is a huge influx of people looking for a better life from down in England - which is good as the Highlands need people.

The problem like most places in Scotland is too many public funded jobs and a lack of work ethic in these places. Basically easy money.

I should know - im the only person in my family working in the private sector here - I work harder and get paid less. I dont get flexi-time and less public holidays. I dont mind (well i could do with the the money thats for sure) as im a hard worker. More than I can say for some of my family members work collegues - if I had time I could tell some stories!

If the SNP are ever going to turn Scotland into a productive Country without Oil the Public sector is a boil thats going to have to be lanced at some point.
49

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 11/09/2008 18:22:32
I reckon First ScotRail should pay advertising rates to VisitScotland for that.

They have turned the truth into advertising spin, haven't they?
50

SouthernSkye,

11/09/2008 18:22:53
Kate. Zurich.
Yes I have travelled much on the German railways as I work here. Have done for 4 years now. This is the reason I gace DBahn 9/10 and ScotRail 6/10.
I have used SNCF a lot too but they come out about the same as ScotRail but, as i had a work ticket, it was cheap (I do not have a work ticket in Germany).
51

Western Gael,

11/09/2008 18:48:24
"Although large areas of the Highlands were bereft of trains, they served most towns." Doesn't this imply that large areas of the Highlands are bereft of towns also? How large must a "village" be if it is considered a town worthy of service by ScotRail? This smacks of an arrogant focus on the Glasgow/Edinburgh corridor and tourist-rich borders.
52

Observer, formerly resident,

11/09/2008 20:15:10
Railway infrastructure projects should become a priority. Not only rapid, widespread electrification (action, not endless feasibility studies) but also reinstatement of lines and some new construction to replace what's been lost. One might consider the direct main line from Edinburgh to Perth, not apparently on the Beeching list, yet closed as recently as 1971 and now under the M90. Or the fine main line route from Perth to Aberdeen through Strathmore. And some outstanding ‘rural' routes, such as Dunblane-Callander-Crianlarich for their sheer scenic beauty and importance to tourism. What a crass closure that was!

Electrification is, at last, creeping onto the agenda, with at least the central belt on the horizon. Let’s get on with it! (And a closing thought: don’t the highland lines past by several lovely, Swiss-scale, art-deco gems of hydro-power stations …!)
53

WL,

livingston 11/09/2008 20:31:57
If the Scottish rail services are 2nd rate, that is so. VisitScotland should give alternatives, is there is reasonably alternatives!
54

danbob,

11/09/2008 20:40:45
Unbelievable, Visitscotland slag of a major form of transporting tourists around Scotland and some posters actualy want them to. The next time I get some foreign tourists on my train with their Britrail tickets, I am going to tell them not to visit Scotland, the west highland line, and Edinburgh, because some wise and worldly people who post on the Scotsman website think the rail network is bad, will that make you critics happy? Absolutly unbelievable.
55

Weegiewarbler,

Docked 11/09/2008 21:32:31
Well - They're effectively trending EVERYTHING down.

We wonder if this could be anything to do with not being wholly supportive of the governments "homecomming" next year.

Maybe they think we're already going to be SO successfull that they're trying to releive the anticipated pressure.

Looks like they changed it Sep 3rd...


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56

Nebulous,

11/09/2008 21:50:08
My son bought a round Scotland ticket which allowed something like 4 days travel in 8 days. In theory he could use trains, buses and ferries. In practice, because of the limited service in some places and the lack of connections his travel didn't stretch very far. However he landed up in a real argument in Fort William with a bus driver who would not let him on and who enlisted two other bus drivers as back-up, so the three of them were all shouting at him.

We phoned the bus company who blamed the train company. We then phoned the train company who said his ticket should definitely have been valid on that bus. The end result was that he had missed the only possible connection for the day to where he wanted to go.

So he came home two days early with a full day of travel unused.

I'm afraid it only reinforced my view that the only way to travel in most of this country is the motor car.
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Weegiewarbler,

Just an idea 11/09/2008 21:51:19
Watching these boards - and Scotlands tourism website as defined here - you have to say the Kiwi has a point.

The government is working on painting the trains.
Paint the stations as well.
Then bring in a pilot scheme in the tourist areas telling the tourists they can rent a smart car or some such at the station to see more of the country - low rates and painted somewhat like the trains (free advertising).

You could cut down on the costs and upkeep of the stations as well by having household hazardous materials collection points there - like batteries - paint - oil. Filter and use the old oil as fuel, use the useable paint (when mixed it all comes out chocolate) to paint the stations.
This also gets folks going to the train station again.

Convert a couple of the old steam trains to burn oil - and give them set runs on specific days and times in their "new livery" - watch the ticket sales climb...

EXPLAIN the natural topography that prevents a thousand rail lines being feasible (the rental cars - remember?).

Solutions are as simple as squealing.
58

madrab,

Edinburgh 12/09/2008 00:01:47
#64 Or the Scottish Government could make Scotrail make a public apology for the piss-poor service they provide.
59

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

12/09/2008 11:55:58
#22 There's nothing wrong with it if you like ancient rolling stock, frequent delays and cancellations - particularly of the rush hour services.

It's great if you're not in a hurry to get anywhere, otherwise all bets are off. Even getting the (half hour) earlier train is no guarantee of anything running.

The only reason I continue to get the trains is... can you imagine the sort of road rage I'd have?

 

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