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SCOTSMAN NATIONHOOD DEBATE

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Published Date: 13 March 2007
EVEN before The Scotsman stall had been assembled in front of the Burgh Hall in Peebles, passers-by stopped to welcome us to the town. The natives, known as "gutterbluids", possess a strong sense of their own identity and history - but also a marked willingness to welcome strangers, or "stooriefits", into their midst.
Sociable, lively and conservative with a small c, Peebles is known as "the coffee morning capital of the world", with tens of thousands of pounds raised for charity every year.

One of the first people to approach us was Lady Fiona Campbell, a direct descendent of one of the signatories of the Act of Union and a strong defender of the 1707 treaty.

She is such a staunch unionist that she even held a drinks party at her home in Stobo to mark the 300th anniversary.

"I am very, very pro-Union, because I am a realist," she says. "We would be bonkers if we thought we could go ahead by ourselves - we need the umbrella of England.

"The Union has served us very well for the last 300 years. Why change something that has worked so well, not just financially but culturally as well?"

Like many, she is concerned about the pace of change in the Borders, and particularly about a large-scale free-range chicken farm planned near her home.

She said: "We face having the Stobo valley, one of the most beautiful landscapes in Europe, contaminated because of someone's insane desire to become one of the Continent's biggest egg-producers. 'Peebles for Pleasure' will become 'Peebles for Poultry'."

Opinions about independence seem more or less evenly split, and the natives of Peebles are not shy to share their views.

Isobel Taylor, a retired nurse, is as strident in her support for independence as Lady Fiona is for the Union - and even offers to fetch an ancient school history book to prove how Scotland's story was rewritten to suit those from the south. "I agree with independence," she said. "We don't get a fair crack of the whip. When we got devolution, the Conservatives said, 'That's the genie out of the bottle' - that's what started me thinking.

"The Scottish people have enough brains of our own," she said. "We are a brilliant race and we should give it a try.

"I'm not a Brownite, but he is knocked because he is Scottish. If we were really a union, there should be an English prime minister, a Scottish one, an Irish one. Why should it be any problem that someone is Scottish?"

While many people extolled the virtues of Peebles as a place to live, many were concerned about the town's rapid development.

Chrystall Din, a retired textiles clerk, said: "The traffic is very heavy in Peebles. There is such a lot of development and a lot more to come.

"This was a small country town, but it becoming like a suburb of Edinburgh it is so busy."

Eddie Smith, 57, a theatre caretaker, felt change was happening too fast. "The council is going ahead with another 200 houses, but the town will not be able to handle it or the traffic," he said.

Some believed local services might not be able to cope with the increase in population. Retired nurse Tricia Davis, 59, said: "Peebles is a wonderful place, but the town has grown really quickly and health services are being stretched to the limit."

Nonetheless, those who are new to the town say it has welcomed them with open arms.

David and Maria Geen moved here four and a half years ago, from England. Maria, who is from Newcastle, said: "It's a beautiful place. There's a real sense of community and it's a fantastic place to bring up children, It's very safe."

Donna Vandenberghen, 36, a legal secretary who is writing a screen biopic of Mickey Finn from the band T Rex, says: "Occasionally, I find having a strong English accent can be a disadvantage, but when people find out you have got a Scottish sense of humour, that evaporates."

George Cuthill, a retired teacher who moved to the town from Biggar ten years ago, has an interesting reason for liking the area. "It's a great place," he said. "It is a very tolerant place - you can do what you like and no-one really bothers you. You can wear a cowboy hat and nobody gets uptight about it."

'I LOVE IT HERE - PEOPLE TALK'


"It's good Scotland having its own identity but still being part of the UK. We do not need to be separate."

Nicola Jo Cully, 26, actor, Edinburgh

"We have gone so far down the road, we should take a step further - smaller countries in Europe seem to do quite well."

Billy Riddoch, 56, actor, Biggar

"I feel both Scottish and British. I definitely wouldn't want independence."

Don Cameron, 58, retired social worker, Peebles

"I'm very much in favour of independence, as long as it doesn't cost another £400 million. What we have is a farce."

Andrew Stewart, Peebles

"There's a lot of development going ahead in the town and an influx of people, but the affordable housing being built is for older people."

Gregg Parker, 43, painter and decorator, Peebles

"We are expanding rapidly, but new developments are not always in keeping with tradition and the best architectural standards."

Peter Norris, 78, chairman of Peebles Civic Society

"When you stand on Peebles High Street you know exactly where you are, and there are an awful lot of places you can't do that."

Iain Simpson, 56, businessman, West Linton

"I love it here - Peebles has community spirit; people talk to each other."

Nicola Lamont, 17, pupil, Peebles High School

"Peebles is a nice town, with good shops and facilities and half-decent pubs. It's a great area to bring up children, but the buses break down."

Gary Smith, 40, builder, Peebles

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1

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 13/03/2007 02:01:22

The pace of change in the Borders would be much greater if the local authority weren't as 'incompetent' (another term for c....pt), and they had better politicians (less FibDems)

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www.scottwebb.co.uk.,

13/03/2007 03:12:03

Peebles, lovely place, lovely people :)

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Robbie,

NZ where most Scots suceed 13/03/2007 04:09:14

Lady Fiona Campbell thinks, "We would be bonkers if we thought we could go ahead by ourselves - we need the umbrella of England.”
Is there any nation on the planet that has so many like her ladyship, with such a low opinion of their own people and their abilities?

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Robbie,

NZ where most Scots suceed 13/03/2007 04:23:12

‘Scottish children's homes in crisis’.
Just another headline from the Scotsman about major social problems in Scotland (every nation has them too - but have taken ownership of them themselves to fix). Scotland comes way down in the rankings of nations with the highest quality of life (much more relevant than GDP - which does not show a true picture of average living standards). Yet Lady Fiona Campbell claims, "The Union has served us very well for the last 300 years. Why change something that has worked so well, not just financially but culturally as well?" and we have come where in emigration per population? Second or now in front of Ireland?
Say we had not had such massive emigration - would the Union have managed to supply even a similar lifestyle for the 10,000,000 + who should have been today’s population?

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Maisie,

13/03/2007 04:51:31

"Like many, she is concerned about the pace of change in the Borders, and particularly about a large-scale free-range chicken farm planned near her home"

Says it all really, a selfish upper class twit. During her drink party to celebrate the union, I bet it was only the chicken farm that was discussed. Poor old descendant of a traitor she may be reduced to living next to a chicken farm, what has Scotland become she wonders. Tosser.

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Guga,

Rockall 13/03/2007 05:52:06

I don't know why that Fiona Campbell dislikes chooks so much; after all, she seems to spout plenty of chickens**t.

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Alastair the First,

13/03/2007 08:52:33

Fiona Campbell sounds like an odious upper class twit. A true Nimby. Does she employ servants, or has she not moved on from having slaves? I think they should move the chicken farm nearer her house.

I wonder if she has ever lived in the real world, had a proper job etc? I may be doing her a disservice but I suspect not.

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I'm no really here,

13/03/2007 10:03:41

I have strong links with South Africa, and I doubt that you would meet a single citizen of that country who does not believe that SA can compete in the world market-place, on equal terms with any other country. SA has just taken it's seat in the UN Security Council, and I think they have the "chair" at the moment.

The problem with the Scots is that only half of the people think this way about Scotland. And this Lady Fiona Campbell, if you asked her, would consider herself "Proudly Scottish". But like the Curate's Egg - only in parts.

We are bought and sold for English gold, such a parcel of rogues in a nation.

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alex paterson,

embra 13/03/2007 10:28:17

#2 Well said,We have been going there for years and made many friends.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/03/2007 10:52:48

Peebles is a great town... my grandparents lived there and I went to primary school there for a couple of years. Lovely place... so friendly :)

I have been back a few times in the intervening years ... mainly to visit Hay Lodge Park where my grandparents have a memorial bench. Such a beautiful park ... where the Tweed meanders its way to Neidpath Castle and the views are delightful. Every time I go back there I feel like a young child again and I hold the place very dear in my heart and memory.

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bill-alba,

Fife 13/03/2007 11:01:48

Who would be surprised about a cambell's support for the union..nothing new there.

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 11:16:09

7
If you can't write something reasonable then why bother.

Anybody could fill in the line

Alastair the first sounds like....., ......., .........., I doubt he has ever had a real job either .

Grow up !

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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 13/03/2007 11:18:33

Lady Cambel's support of the union is as usual unexamined and takes no account of the modern world and the reality around us.

I was in Prague the day that several small nations joined the EU.It was sad that the flag of my nation was not alongside the others.Many of them are smaller than Scotland and some,such as the Baltic nations are fairly new to independence.All of them have become more prosperous and there is a creativity and energy among their poulation that has been released by independence and EU membership.

Currently I live in Finland,a small independent EU country (same population as Scotland) They have free education,better health care and public transport transport.Finnsa currently have a better chance of surviving cancer than Scots.

Independence is normal in Europe nowdays.Circumstances are vastly different from 300 years ago.That is why I will be voting SNP in May and giving tham as much money as I can raise to fight that election.
Dr Bill Reynolds

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 12:07:11

13 Suomi

You should do better to compare like with like.

Any of the eastern European states that were previously held inside the Soviet Bloc have proved that capitalism will bring a huge increase in living standards. This happened to Finland also. Uniquely, the Finns were able to fight their way out of the Soviet sphere of influence much earlier than the other states mentioned.

Scotland arguably receives as much support from the EC as it deserves under the EC allocation programme. To argue that somehow following Independence Scotland might get a greater share of these funds is " pie in the Sky". There are very many areas within the accession states that are far more deserving of EC structural funding.

It may surprise many of the SNP supporters who linger in these forums but Scotland within the UK is not a poor or an inadequately equipped nation now. It hardly compares with the lack of modern infrastructure typically inherited by the old Eastern Bloc countries. Much has been acheived by these states in the last 15 years, but to argue that only independence has made this possible, and thereby ignore the effect of bringing capitalism back to address the crumbling start point for this economic miracle is very misleading and wrong.

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William Tell,

Peebles 13/03/2007 12:46:56

More than half of those interviewed would'nt know what the real Peebles 'felt' like-------a true Peeblean would and they were thin on the ground in your report.

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Dayvan Cowboy,

13/03/2007 13:12:20

HOw do I become a Peeblean ?

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Micjonger,

13/03/2007 13:39:46

16. Dayvan Cowboy.
I believe the correct word is"Plebeian - which they all are up there.

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lisa,

perth 13/03/2007 13:51:11

Peebles is not the town it was - largely a victim of its own success.

Fifty years ago, Peebles had modest prosperity from 3 mills, a warm tolerant culture, and a friendliness which grows from the fact that almost everyone who lived there had been born and gone to school there. Throw in wonderful scenery and the place looked irresistible to outsiders looking for a place to live.

People flocked to the town and in so doing they gradually destroyed the culture that they wanted to be a part of. Peebles is now just a commuter town for Edinburgh or a place to retire to. If you don't grow up in a place, you never really become a part of it.

At one time, the police station was a training unit for L&B Police and there was so little crime that some completed their training without making an arrest. Now the High Street is festooned with burglar alarms.

You can't halt the march of progress sadly, but the Peebles I was born and brought up in was not the Peebles that now exists. I couldn't go back to live - I am a stranger when I visit now, and the overwhelming feeling I have is one of sadness.

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Dayvan Cowboy,

13/03/2007 14:04:21

Why dont you just slit your wrists now Lisa ?

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/03/2007 14:56:25

#19.

Lol

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Biggar Mac,

13/03/2007 15:30:12

Interesting that a Campbell is complaining about the chicken sheds. It is another Campbell who is gradually covering the north of old Peeblesshire with chicken sheds. The subject of planning for the "Free Range" sheds is a much more heated topic in the area than independance.

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Robbie,

NZ 13/03/2007 16:37:55

14. Upbeat
Re # 13 Suomi “ You should do better to compare like with like.”
Who ‘Upbeat’ should we compare Scotland with? Switzerland, Norway, Luxembourg, Sweden, Australia, Iceland, Denmark, Singapore, Finland, Canada, New Zealand, Netherlands, Ireland, etc., all with higher quality of life rankings than Scotland (The Economist). All proud sovereign nations.
These countries can forge their own destinies and make their own decisions (rightly or wrongly) take their place on the World stage with their own policies and ideals, choose which, if any wars, to precipitate in and who they should ally with in International Relations. Practice social democratic mixed economies not unbridled ‘laissez faire’ capitalism. They, although small, are recognised as nations nor a regional outpost.

12. Upbeat
Re #7 “If you can't write something reasonable then why bother.” “Grow up”
Perhaps ‘upbeat’if you can debate - politely ‘why bother’.

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Robbie,

NZ correcting typo 13/03/2007 16:43:00

Only 5:38am here - quick glance at post and read snide remark - why I can’t understand.
Most only want a bit of a debate and exchange differing ideas without having to bandy insults and have to start defending against abuse.
12. Upbeat Re #7 “If you can't write something reasonable then why bother.” “Grow up”
Perhaps ‘upbeat’ if you CAN’T debate - ‘politely ‘why bother’.

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Benjamin,

13/03/2007 16:51:11

I'm thinking if people in the present United States listened to people like Lady Fiona Campbell, and there were many according ot my history books, the US would still be a colony of England.

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 17:52:30

23.

That's rare coming from the far side of the world, especially when you resort to bouncing exactly the type of remark you detest back again. ...this time in my direction. If it wasn't worth saying the first time, does you repeating it make it more or less so ?

A few of us debate all the time on here, frequently in a constructive and informative manner., while surrounded by cheap and poor remarks. Perhaps you have failed to notice.

People like myself who generally avoid being rude or posting useless and loathsome opinions about people I have never met, are in fact the exception here as you well know.

Re 13 ...Robbie ...If you actually read the context of my response to Suomi you will understand what I said better. It was not intended as some off the shoulder " I hope Scotland is like one of these" remark.
Now you attempt to compare the Netherlands or Singapore, or worse still Luxembourg and Iceland's economy with Scotland .... ! Tch ! Tch !

The Netherlands has the biggest port in Europe. Arguably the third biggest in the world. It is the port and transport "hub" of Europe. Singapore is the Port and Transport "hub"of the far east, as well as having the biggest regional airport, and one of the world most successsful ship building and repair facilities. Luxembourg is a small state that has created a banking and finanical strength , principally because it sits at the Cross roads in between several nations with more oppressive tax regimes. Iceland is in no way like anywhere else. With close bonds still to Denmark it is unique. So is Scotland. Trying to compare nations in this way is pointless. And this is not to say that Scotland does not possess a unique and eviable culture, standard of living and aspiration towards becoming an independant state. Just don't stoop to dependance on comparison with other established states. This is a worthless justification for political reform here ..

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David MacVicar,

web 13/03/2007 18:11:00

25 I believe you have provided your own answer as why independence tends to work. Sure all the countires have particular unique traits or strengths.

However they all have one thing in common. They are all able to take sovereign decisions to make best use of their strengths and resources and invest that back into their own country for their own benifit with a model which suits their size, culture and needs.

Scotland on the other hand is not able to do while it is, for want of a better expression, a puppet state.

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 18:12:14

25 Robbie,

Another little thing for you to chew on.

Have you any idea what percentage of the population now actually living in Scotland is of true Scottish descent.


No ? Neither have I. But many people in Scotland today - including the good Lady Campbell - can probably point to ancestry running back a great many centuries. Meanwhile a similarly large number now living ( and voting) here have migrated to Scotland from elsewhere. Therefore to claim that Scotland has a single national identity and destinty is misleading. Scots people have relatives everywhere, and many more imigrants have only recently come to live here. Others like yourself ,possibly with roots running back into distant history in Scotland , have left. It seems to me that the people who live here and will be affected by any political changes here have a right to be heard and this means everyone. Bigotted , prejudiced and class ridden remarks just don't show the Scots character in a very pure light..now do they. ?

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 18:22:08

26 David

I would agree with you. But it is no longer possible for Scottish voters to deny that they elected each of the MSP's that we have to tolerate . The same voters also elect their regional councillors.

The overwhelming majority of all legislation that affects Scottish people today comes from Holyrood, and from Regional Councils. The few exceptions ( reserved matters) are things that Scotland can aspire to gaining control of by degrees , once Holyrood has grown in stature, and when the mix of Politician elected to serve there has earned more trust and respect.

No one can fault that approach. This is the wise way to move forward... not a headlong rush like lemmings towards a cliff.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/03/2007 18:42:15

Good to see reasoned and relevant arguments brought into this debate.... far too often it degenerates into a slanging match.

Thanks Upbeat and David MacVicar......hope you don't mind the input of an English (albeit one with a soft spot for Scotland) poster.

Lady Campbell is as entitled to her opinion as any other voter in the country.

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Robbie,

NZ 13/03/2007 18:48:56

25. Upbeat
“ A few of us debate all the time on here,, while surrounded by cheap and poor remarks.”
Why join them ‘upbeat’ be above those “cheap and poor remarks.”
Pleas not I never get compared the economies of those countries (economic arguments get too subjective Right win Left wing). This could be considered futile as we do not know what the future economic abilities and looking at GDP and other economic factors does not demonstrate what I think important the Quality of Life of every citizen in a nation. If I believe in being small but prosperous and striving to give the people a high standard of living and other believes that being big and powerful and feared throughout the world important then our basic approach to what constitutes a national goal is obviously fundamentally different.
“Trying to compare nations in this way is pointless.” Comparing other countries system, lifestyles, health, education , justice etc., etc., would be extremely important to an independent Scotland. Look at the success and examine the failures. The UK at present offers it’s citizens 29th place in the Economist ‘Quality of Life’ rankings and I would imagine Scotland well behind that taken individually. Should we not compare and examine why.
“….is this "debate" too serious for you.” Discuss on child abuse, disease, deforestation, species extinction, poverty, the future of our planet are often too serious and distressing to debate. Making some points about whether or not a country like Scotland should take the step to self-government which is the normal state for the overwhelming nations of the world is serious to those it will affect and it will affect me only that I believe New Zealand will have better relations when we both sit at the UN.

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Robbie,

NZ 13/03/2007 19:02:05

27. Upbeat
“ 25 Robbie, Another little thing for you to chew on. Therefore to claim that Scotland has a single national identity and destiny is misleading. “
You have lost me here ‘Upbeat’ I honestly don’t know where you coming from on that one. Don’t think I have ever mentioned national identity if you are meaning ethnicity.” But you did say, “…this is not to say that Scotland does not possess a unique and enviable culture…”
“Bigoted , prejudiced and class ridden remarks just don't show the Scots character in a very pure light. Now do they?” And the Scots’ character is? Isn’t considering a single Scots’ character misleading?
I don’t do bigoted remarks but, “prejudiced and class ridden” they are certainly very subjective and definitely used by every side in any debate.

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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 13/03/2007 19:06:39

Regarding 14,I don't need any history lessons about Finland ,since I have lived here for 4 years and have a Finnish wife.The point was ignored:
That Finland has the same population as Scotland,but unlike Scotland is idependent,a full member of the EU,has better health care,free education (at the front and back door) and excellent public transport.Finns are less likely to die of cancer than Scots are just now.

It is not a question of looking for EU money,I don't know why no 14 raised that one.In fact Finland spends a lot helping developing contries such.It is a good example to Scotland of what independence can achieve. There are many other examples in the modern Europe.

I would hope that more Scots would stop living in the past,look around and decide to engage with the rest of the world in the way that my temporary home has.I am encouraged by the fact that increasingly,business in Scotland are starting to realise that things have changed and that there is a need for Scotland to move forward and look at different types of partnerships and relationships.Not seperation,more like joining and ending seperation.
Dr William Reynolds

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 19:24:09

30 & 31.

Thanks Robbie,

The aspiratio to be like these other successful countries is a good thing. Nothig wrong with that. But they cannot be compared economically, or Culturally either for that matter.

The UK as a whole could learn a vast amount by studying more how things are run elsewhere , not just in Europe, but around the world. ( I loved my recent visit to NZ...but am a bit old to migrate now ...I digress>!)

One thing that continually amazes me about the British character is the "blinkers" that allow the British to imagine that if it has not been done in Britain then it has not been done anywhere. ( ie. On line banking, and use of pin cards has been happening in Europe for approaching two decades. It is treated like a huge new " experiment" here ! )

No, we can learn a lot We could pick and choose the best practices and methods from each country and become successful too. But you will never see a Scotland like NL or DE or CH or L , the start point for these other societies is from a very different economic base. That is why I said such comparisons are futile.

A real cause for dispair is that many here would justify a leap of faith ( Independence ) by pointing to the way things are more advanced/better elsewhere now. Scotland within the Union already has powers which can ensure higher Quality of Life. there is no need to move out into the open , we can gradually work to make a better Scotland while enjoying economic security and social benefits in the meantime from our association and involvement with our Union "cousins". Devolution has really...in the greater scheme of things ...only just begun . The jury is still out. Let it run a bit further and who can tell how things will advance ?

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Upbeat,

13/03/2007 19:40:26

32
Suomi

I did not intend a history lesson for you !

Had I not indicated in my post that I did have knowledge about the recent histiory of Finland you would have most likely challenged me further about this omission.

BTW to the best fo my knowledge, education and healthcare are both still free in Scotland, ( although we have the freedomn to pay again independently and go " private" )

The point about EC money was there because some on these posts that imagine that somehow an independent Scotland would receive a greater financial benefit from the EC., in preference to the recent accession states.

My other posts this evening give explanation of my other views on this.

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Robbie,

13/03/2007 20:08:56

33. Upbeat
Very good post and I appreciate your reply. We will continue to differ over Scottish sovereignty but amicably.
Glad you liked NZ. You may have noticed there are a lot f Scots here and most still have a great interest in their native land (especially the culture, music, dance and language) but few could consider resettling due to their lifestyle here. Sadly for the indigenous Maori population many have taken that role of the lower socio-economic group and all the bad statistics that Scotland has (health, education, substance abuse, crime and incarceration) are vastly over represented by Maori. This is improving quite remarkably and a new pride in their language and culture and a sharing of it with Pakeha (Europeans) has arisen through Maori TV and pre-school
Maori language ‘nest’. The New Zealand Government is trying to rectify years of neglect of the Maori ‘Land Claims’ (land that was illegal seized by the Crown from Maori and given to European settlers). Posters in other forums have criticised this compensation being paid but perhaps are unaware that Britain had a treaty with Maori, ‘Treaty of Waitangi’ which was broken by the Crown and now being honoured.
Bit off subject but if one looks at the plight of Maori one could see similarities in the ‘slums’ and with the poor of of other nations concerning health, education, substance abuse, crime and high incarceration.

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Robbie,

Left off end 13/03/2007 20:16:50

35. Robbie cont.
But you would find very few ‘poor’ Scots. Whether they came as professionals, trades people or just came, most have done well here some (from personal experience) condemn Scotland or UK for not giving them the same chances. This would be true in Australia as well.

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Clarinda,

Peeblesshire 13/03/2007 20:24:15

The existing poultry sheds in the borders are industrial unit sized units. There are over 18 sheds at Leadburn, plans for 11 at Blyth Bridge and more near Peebles. The majority of the sheds are one-tenth of a mile in length and house between 25 and 32,000 chickens - it is hard to get a definitive answer from the company. If anyone is in any doubt what chicken manure can do to an area, they need only do a computer search for Chesapeake Bay and see what poultry farming did for their salmon industry. Anyone interested can also log onto the Scottish Border Council website or use the link on the local action group website: www.BBAG.org.uk

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 13/03/2007 21:07:50

It would be laughable it it weren't so ridiculous when the Laird's wife is more concerned about the alleged despoilation of the Borders landscape by an egg producers facility than a debate on Independence!
Lachie Todd

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the runt,

13/03/2007 21:25:21

One of the first people to approach us was Lady Fiona Campbell, a direct descendent of one of the signatories of the Act of Union and a strong defender of the 1707 treaty. i hope she was apologising for her ancestors selling scotland out

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Joe M.,

14/03/2007 10:19:04

Independence is normality:

http://www.scottishindependence.com

I note 'Lady Fiona Campbell' who owes her position in society to the continued union says:

"We would be bonkers if we thought we could go ahead by ourselves - we need the umbrella of England."

Note she says 'England' not Britain or the UK. If we want our own identity to be recognised internationally the we need to be independent. We need our own flag at the UN, nothing less will do.

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Canny Mann,

Scottish Borders 14/03/2007 13:30:04

My children were educated at Peebles High School and ran around the Gyttes. The people of Peebles in my opinion are borderers first, Scots second and uk following that. With the influx of people coming to the town to live in the many new houses being built, the borderer is an endangered species. The diluting of the local cultural makeup is making for a two tier population with the more prosperous buying houses, forcing the house prices above what the locals can afford to get into the housing market. The rate of pay in the borders is the minimum wage, with very few exceptions, so raising the required cashflow to buy a house in the borders is outside the young borderers ability.
If you speak to borders people you will find they dont want Nuclear power, nuclear weapons in the holy loch, making Scotland a target in any future conflict. We dont want Scottish military forces to be fighting in an illegal war in Iraq/Afghanistan. We dont want corrupt MPs as we saw in the 18 years of the Tories misrule of Scotland. We dont want the corruption in Labour, ie Peter Mandelson, Tory Blair buying houses using dodgey agents. The corruption of cash for peerages, the cover up that has been going on for months. 2 jags Prescott telling us we all have to pay for our carbon footprint. The racism being spouted by the media regarding Gordon Brown being a Scot, English Nationalism suggests they would not permit Gordon to be Prime Minister.
Trident being updated at a cost of 72 billions Scotlands share of that being 7.2 billions.(£7,200,000,000.00). We have a population of 4.5 million, thats an awfull lot of money for a weapon we will never use. Effectively lowering the standard of Scottish peoples living for many many years in a time when there are no countries/superpowers to feel threatened by. Building a fleet of new Super sized aircraft carriers and submarines for a war with who? We currently dont seem to have the money to equip our soldiers adequately, where we send them o

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MaryS,

Stobo 14/03/2007 13:42:28

Those who chose to extend their criticism of Lady Fiona Campbell's opinions about the Union to her stance on the proposed poultry sheds in the Stobo valley are confusing two very different issues and missing the point that on the latter debate she is right and representative of the vast majority of inhabitants of the area. The Stobo community is made up of active and concerned individuals of extremely varied backgrounds, opinions, politics and occupations and the community is united in calling for a full environmental impact assessment to be carried out before there is any advancement of these plans. This is an area of outstanding natural beauty and archaeological significance where the unspoilt nature of the landscape is not only aesthetically relevant but integral to the economy of the area. Far from embodying a Nimby attitude, contesting the plans is the only responsible action in the face of a threatening and inappropriate proposal.


 

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