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The baby-faced assassin deals Brown a crippling blow



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Published Date: 17 September 2008
TO HIS colleagues, he was an unlikely assassin. A former Catholic priest who quit his vocation to pursue his political ambitions, David Cairns was a loyal Labour MP who had never voted against the government and had been rewarded with a ministerial post in the Scotland Office.

But last night, he became the most senior member of the party to call for Gordon Brown to go, after he was outed as the minister who, 24 hours before, had threatened to resign if Labour lost the Glenrothes by-election. That forced him to step down.


His resignation from the Scotland Office came as a surprise to those close to him: only 12 hours earlier, he had not been planning to quit.

However, The Scotsman understands that, after the Inverclyde MP's name was linked on newspaper websites and by the BBC to reports that one minister was on the brink of quitting, he felt he had no choice but to leave his post.

In doing so, Mr Cairns has dealt a severe blow to Mr Brown, and his resignation could become the trigger for a chain of events that may lead to the Prime Minister's downfall.

Yesterday morning, Labour's ruling National Executive Committee vetoed a demand by rebels that leadership nomination forms be sent to all MPs before next week's party conference.

However, speculation was rife at Westminster that more resignations could come at ministerial level, but not until after the Glenrothes by-election, expected to be in early November.

Mr Cairns was swiftly replaced at the Scotland Office by Ann McKechin, the Glasgow North MP who branded 12 of her colleagues "stupid" at the weekend for calling for a leadership contest.

Her predecessor said he had left the government with a "heavy heart". He insisted he was not part of a wider plot, nor was he part of some orchestrated campaign to depose Mr Brown.

He admitted he would prefer someone else to take over as Labour leader – believed to be David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary – but refused to name that person.

"I am not some sectarian figure who is weaving around, dripping poison," he said.

Mr Cairns had told the 12 rebels who called for leadership contest nomination forms to be sent out that it was a "mistake" to do so now.

He said he was disappointed the names of the dozen – who include Siobhain McDonagh, the former junior whip for whom he once worked and a former ministerial aide to John Reid – had somehow been leaked.

Mr Cairns said he had become disillusioned after colleagues were labelled "stupid" for calling for a leadership contest – a riposte aimed at Ms McKechin.

He said that his resignation had been "a matter of conscience" and insisted he was not acting on behalf of a more senior minister.

"I have got my own views as to who I think would be a preferable leader of the Labour Party, but I am not going to say who that is, because people would think there is some big plot and they have put me up to it," he said.

"Nobody put me up to this. I took this decision with tremendous reluctance and a degree of wretchedness that doesn't sit easily with somebody for whom loyalty is part of my DNA."

Mr Cairns said Mr Brown had been an "outstanding" Chancellor, and he nominated him as Labour leader last year in the hope that he would be equally successful as Prime Minister.

But he went on: "We are 20-odd points behind in the opinion polls and we are losing by-elections.

"To be so far behind a vacuous Tory Party, which has nothing to offer the people, and so far behind the SNP, which has betrayed the people of Scotland… means we have at least got to be prepared to ask ourselves the question."

He said it had become obvious that the National Executive Committee did not want even to face the "question".

"If people aren't prepared to reflect on the question, then the chances of finding the solution are remote," he said.

Mr Brown wrote to Mr Cairns accepting his resignation and said he was "disappointed" at his decision to quit the government. However, the Prime Minister warned that now was not the time for Labour to indulge in internal wrangling.

"As you know, the world is facing a time of economic upheaval. I believe it is vital that we, as a government and as a country, stand together in the face of these difficult times and concentrate all our efforts on helping the British people to come through them," he wrote.

"I am therefore disappointed by your decision to leave the government, and I do not agree with you that this is the time at which the Labour Party should be focused on internal debates."

The Prime Minister had lectured the Cabinet earlier yesterday on the need for unity and loyalty.

Two MPs, Ms McDonagh and Joan Ryan, have already lost government jobs and a third, Barry Gardiner, resigned after calling for a leadership contest.

During phone calls late on Monday and yesterday, Des Browne, the Scottish Secretary, attempted to deter Mr Cairns from becoming the most high-level casualty. But he failed.

The Scotsman understands that Mr Browne, who has the pressure of being Defence Secretary as well as running the Scotland Office, was "very upset" about Mr Cairns's departure.

A source close to Mr Browne said: "David is a very talented minister – it is a real loss for us. He (Mr Browne] was able to completely trust the political and administrative management of the Scotland Office to David. That's why he was promoted."

Tom Harris, the Glasgow South MP and a transport minister, said: "I'm really sad that he has decided to go. I think he was an absolute first-class minister. I hope he will be back in government at some point."

However, one of the MPs calling for a leadership contest, former minister George Howarth, last night said Mr Brown was now the most unpopular Prime Minister since Chamberlain was deposed as war leader in 1940.

And another senior MP and critic of Mr Brown, who did not want to be named, said Mr Cairns had been speaking for the majority of Labour MPs when he called for a leadership election.

"There are Cabinet ministers who agree with his sentiments, but the timing may not be quite right. The party machinery may be saying that there is nothing wrong, but they are either lying or in complete denial," the MP said.

Meanwhile, opposition parties seized on what they said was a sign of turmoil at the heart of the government. David Mundell, the shadow Scottish secretary, called for a general election, saying: "Scotland cannot afford another 18 months of a divided Labour Party, a weak Prime Minister and a UK government driven by self-interest rather than the national interest."

Angus Robertson, the SNP's Westminster leader, described Mr Cairns's decision as "a body-blow to Gordon Brown".

PROFILE

DAVID Cairns was born in Greenock and grew up to become a Roman Catholic priest. From 1991-94 he served in Scotland and south London.

From 1994-97 he worked as a director of the Christian Socialist Movement and secretary for Labour's socialist societies.

He was a researcher for Siobhain McDonagh, who was sacked as an assistant whip last week after becoming the first Labour MP to publicly demand nomination papers for a leadership election, and served as a councillor in the London Borough of Merton.

Legislation in 2001 enabled the former priest to stand for parliament and in 2005 he was returned as MP for the enlarged constituency of Inverclyde.

Political hurdles need some leaps of faith

IF GORDON Brown wants the rest of his time in office to remain peaceful, he has a series of obstacles to surmount.

He may have fended off a call for leadership contest papers to be issued, but the reprieve could be temporary.

• LABOUR CONFERENCE: From Saturday to Tuesday, the party will be in Manchester, where the Prime Minister will have to placate rebels. With Labour MPs meeting in person in large numbers for the first time since their lengthy summer break from Westminster, the potential for collusion and trouble is high.

• GLENROTHES: The by-election in Mr Brown's backyard is now crucial for his survival. If Labour loses he will be blamed, regardless of whether or not he plays a prominent role. Several ministers are believed to be ready to quit if the SNP wins.

• PRE-BUDGET REPORT AND QUEEN'S SPEECH: Mr Brown will have to come up with powerful antidotes to the economic woes facing the country, as well as unveiling an inspired legislative programme.

• RESHUFFLE: A bigger shake-up than originally planned could be in order if senior rebels need to be punished, while rivals may have to be placated. Some of his most senior Cabinet ministers are now virtually unsackable, however, as Mr Brown will not want his biggest threats to be ungagged and outside the government.

• MOTHERWELL AND WISHAW BY-ELECTION:

Jack McConnell, the former first minister, is due to take up his post as High Commissioner to Malawi next year. There will be little reason for Mr McConnell to stay in Scotland if Labour's leader cannot offer him a better long-term alternative. His departure will trigger a by-election, this time at Holyrood but nevertheless potentially damaging for the PM.

• EUROPEAN AND LOCAL ELECTIONS: If Mr Brown is still in place next spring, this will be his final major electoral test ahead of a general election.








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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 00:08:00

David Cairns, had a call from the Lord, he could not refuse, if he had refused,?

The Devil cometh!
2

Arrow,

edinburgh 17/09/2008 00:10:57
did not an English King (Henry?) not once say out loud "will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest?" bet Gordon wishes he could have done it a bit sooner!!

ferrets in a bag?
3

Charles Linskaill,

,,I am feeling sorry for DYW, it was a NO! :( 17/09/2008 00:14:55
Sda.
4

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 17/09/2008 00:18:10

A nothing politician resigns from a nothing government

WOO HOO FIG DEAL
5

WeeBerty,

17/09/2008 00:27:21
He was disloyal to the RC Church. So what did we expect from him?

NOBODY will ever trust him now.

The Inverclyde LP will boot hom out shortly OR the electorate will do it for them.

Bye bye David. Or should I say bye bye Judas.
6

blueguru,

PA, USA 17/09/2008 00:29:09
A bit rich for a Labour MP to accuse the SNP of betrayal!
7

Robbie 2,

NZ 17/09/2008 00:31:35
“David Cairns was a loyal Labour MP who had never voted against the government and had been rewarded with a ministerial post in the Scotland Office.”
Voted for the war in Iraq.
Voted against an Iraqi war inquest.
Voted against a transparent parliament.
Voted for the replacement of Trident.
Voted for compulsory I.D. cards.
8

Edward,

17/09/2008 00:36:13
David Cairns has seen the writing on the wall and is aiming to save his own skin by distancing himself from Brown.
Sorry David, but your too late, come the next General election, your out!
9

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 17/09/2008 00:40:27
It's not Cairns that should've gone, it's his 'Minister for Scotland' post. And Des Browne's 'Scottish Secretary' post.

What are these ministerial posts all about?

They seem to be the final vestiges of colonial Britain/England - Governor-General's of 'The Territories'.

And if that is NOT the case, can anyone tell me why there is no MINISTER FOR ENGLAND or ENGLISH SECRETARY?

Whether Scotland gets independence or not, this constitutional mess needs to be sorted, or it will be sorted, at some point, by the people of Scotland in a referendum.
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 00:45:12

Edward ~9,

But!,.."The Lord" works in mysterious ways, does he not?
11

old scrotum,

leith 17/09/2008 00:50:15

"one flew east"
"one flew west
"one flew over the cuckoos nest"
12

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 17/09/2008 00:53:05
I reckon it was the bitterness he felt at Brown for having been forced to justify the desperate rush to call the by-election at Glasgow East yet now has had to remain silent on the Prime minister's deliberate policy in putting off (to goodness knows when) the by-election in Glenrothes.

This completely inconsistent standpoint was perhaps more than even David Cairns could stomach and now confirms to us all that Labour is only interested in democracy where it suits them and that the real reason for Labour's existence in self-serving career preservation of its aparatchiks.
13

Charles Linskaill,

, Feeling sorry for DYW, it was a NO! :( 17/09/2008 01:01:17




Is he not still here, labor upon labor, piece by piece, beauty upon beauty. Is it but a monument, or is it the man himself?




.
14

doublescotch,

U.S.A 17/09/2008 01:10:13
#4 Charles. I am more than sad for you and Suzanne. Please don't give up. My niece-in-law gave birth last year after 16yrs married. The baby just turned one in August. A beautiful little girl. Please go to Dundee. My nephew said they have the highest rate of success.
I can't stop crying. Give Suzanne my love and to you too.
DOW
15

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 01:22:40
doublescotch ~15,

Please try not to cry, Suzanne is devastated, infact she was soo bad, she was sent home from work.

I am trying to put a positive aspect on it, and told her, she is still young (28/29) and it was not her fault, although she blames herself.

I also told her, it we could still get pregnant, without IVF,

As I said here on this topic,..

.."The Lord works in mysterious ways"!

I have Faith! the timing may have been wrong, and thankyou for your Love,

Suzanne&Charlie, x
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 01:25:17

BTW, doublescotch, it was only a Blood test, it wont be over until next cycle, one knows "Mysterious" things can happen,

Unlikely But,.....??
17

Charles Linskaill,

,Feeling sorry for DYW, it was a NO! :( 17/09/2008 01:34:49




And as far as the shares and Money Market is concerned!

It wont bother us! as we have NO Money anyhow, and now NO prospective Baby,

But we still have Love!


18

Statsman,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 03:07:57
You have to laugh at this unionist rag. Every day it is a lead story against the SNP or someone dissenting against Brown.

Your readership is falling and you keep attacking? Why? It's insane.
19

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Barrenland 17/09/2008 03:21:42
Charles,

you eejit. Who cares about you and yours. This is a thread about the story not the fact your wife is barren and you prefer to believe in religious fairy stories.
20

Ursus arctos horribilis,

17/09/2008 03:28:37
Another rat deserting the sinking ship that is The Labour Party. A Government and PM whose mandate to govern has long since expired.


The writing is on the wall -and I am far too polite to repeat it -however it does not make pretty reading for Gordon Brown whose position is now surely untenable.
21

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 17/09/2008 03:57:08
"I am not some sectarian figure who is weaving around, dripping poison," he said.

No David your not dripping poison, the generous covering of bile that coats you allows nothing to drip.

I don't like Brown or Labour but Cairns is quite possibly the most odious labour politician of all, quite a feat.

22

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 17/09/2008 03:58:38
FFS

"a degree of wretchedness that doesn't sit easily with somebody for whom loyalty is part of my DNA."

As slippey as a $hithouse rat
23

,

17/09/2008 04:22:09
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
24

An Beal Bacht,

17/09/2008 04:26:07
cont:

"Watch that," I said, as quiet as I could with the stereo
bouncing all over the walls and ceiling and the in-the-land
veck beyond Dim getting loud now with his "Spark nearer,
ultoptimate", I said: "Do watch that, O Dim, if to continue to
be on live thou dost wish."

"Yarbles," said Dim, sneering, "great bolshy yarblockos to
you. What you done then you had no right. I'll meet you with
chain or nozh or britva any time, not having you aiming tol-
chocks at me reasonless, it stands to reason I won't have it."

"A nozh scrap any time you say," I snarled back. Pete said:
"Oh now, don't, both of you malchicks. Droogs, aren't we?
It isn't right droogs should behave thiswise. See, there are
some loose-lipped malchicks over there smecking at us, leer-
ing like. We mustn't let ourselves down." "Dim," I said, "has got to learn his place. Right?"

tinyurl.com/5tozy4

Compliments to A.B.
25

Neil Waugh,

17/09/2008 04:36:20
"It is vital that we as a country stand together."
What the (bleep) is Brown on. This would be that mythical "country" of Britain I would guess.
Not the country of his birth which he seems to let down every chance he gets.
26

Mrs Miggins,

17/09/2008 04:38:19
If he is a baby-faced assassin, why does he merely deal a crippling blow?

The Scottish newspapers are edited people who do not understand anything about language. It it too much to expect you hire at least one person that does?
27

steve 1511,

aberdeen 17/09/2008 06:30:45
the obnoxious rat cairns has jumped from the sinking ship
28

Guga II,

Rockall 17/09/2008 06:37:55
#4 Charlie.

Sorry to hear about your bad news. Don't give up hope.

Also, ignore that ignorant numpty at #20.
29

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Barrenland 17/09/2008 07:02:37
#29
If you want to be a Social Worker go ply your sympathy in the street. This thread is about the story not some pathetic pity me ignoramus and his barren family and his religous sympathies. Be off with you>
30

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Barrenland 17/09/2008 07:10:30
#29 ... some additional commentry for you.

I but speak the facts. Charles's wife is barren...whoopie doo so are thousands of others. He is a so called christian, his god decided to make her barren so why is he and she defying the will of God. They will surley end up at the firey gates.....LOL

Stick to thread dear chap, stick to the thread!
31

Guga II,

Rockall 17/09/2008 07:13:34
#30 & #31.

You are a very ignorant and a very sick little man.
32

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Barrenland 17/09/2008 07:23:02
#32

Stick to thread dear chap, stick to the thread
33

Phil C,

17/09/2008 07:31:20
"To be so far behind a vacuous Tory Party, which has nothing to offer the people, and so far behind the SNP, which has betrayed the people of Scotland…"

LOL! I nearly choked on my cornflakes.
34

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Barrowland 17/09/2008 07:33:32
#35
I agree. I unreservedly apologise. It must be a terrible burden.

My point is, its over for Broon and his cronies. Its time for the tories to take charge and we endure probably 3 terms of them in office, god forbid! (Pardon the pun)

Lets just have an election, elect our Nationalist government and get on with living, making babies or not making babies whatever may be the case! Perhaps you make sheep!
35

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Here, There and Everywhere 17/09/2008 07:43:22
#38

LOL

A patient man no doubt! I take my hat off to you and really do mean the apology. Uncalled for a terrible situation to be in. Just me making a mockery of it all!
36

McNasty,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 07:50:39
The McChattering class must be absolutely delighted with the departure of this caustic politician.


37

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 07:52:53
Cairns is an odious and despicable little creep.

Only a few weeks ago, whilst orchestrating the loss of the Glasgow East constituency by-election, Cairns could hardly contain himself in his praise of all things Brown in particular and Labour in general.

Now that he realises that he was about to the pay the political price of misplacing a 13,500 majority, this bitter and twisted individual decided to get his retaliation in first and blame the loss on everyone other than himself.

Hell hath no fury like a Cairns scorned?
38

Venerable Bede,

17/09/2008 07:53:39
Do we trust a man who is only out to save his own skin?

I mean, fair play for calling it like it is ~ the chances are fair to good that the SNP will take a fair few seats from Labour at the next general election, but, where was his concience on the Iraq vote, or the ID card debacle? He really is only out to save his own skin as far as I can see.
39

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/09/2008 07:58:22
Nice, worthwhile, people do not go in to politics. This episode supports that fact. These dweebs are only there because we voted for them. Look in the mirror for the cause of our woes.

Anarchists Rule!
40

Boy Wonder,

17/09/2008 07:59:19
The global economy in meltdown.

The government is paralysed because of its own meltdown.

The world is in meltdown because of terrorism and "global warming".

Poor Chuckles is in meltdown. (Please extend our sympathies to DYW byw ... her turn will come we hope!)

I hope the Hootsmon has something good t write about before it depresses me further!!! :(
41

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 17/09/2008 08:00:11
So Gordon Brown is busy looking over his shoulder to see who is going to stab him in the back and spending precious time trying to rally support in his own party, instead of running the country and addressing the serious issues at heart.
42

allan58,

eedinburgh 17/09/2008 08:06:31
#30 # 31

Keep it up mate! It's just a pity there aren't more like you willing to stand & kick this religious bulls**t into touch. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are so gullible as to be taken in by myth , mysticism and pointless meaningless ritual!

Maybe it was GAWD'S WILL that Mr cairms resigned anyway!
43

TommyKaye,

UK 17/09/2008 08:06:52
From the blog of Tom Harris labour MP (Are these people on our planet?)

David Cairns
DAVID Cairns is one of my closest friends in politics. He was also one of the most effective ministers I have ever known - astute judgment, common sense by the bucketful, impressive political instinct and extremely sharp and witty at the despatch box. He is also fiercely loyal; he’s never voted against the government or criticised it publicly.
I know that he loved being a minister, that he regarded it as an immense privilege, which of course it is.
And I know that until this morning he had no intention of resigning. But being named this morning by The Daily Telegraph as the Minister of State who was the subject of News 24’s report last night forced his hand.
When he says he is not part of a wider conspiracy to topple the prime minister, he is telling the truth.
David’s decision was one he reached with a huge amount of regret and he will be devastated. But it was also a decision based on honesty and principle and he deserves respect for what he has done, even from those of us who would have preferred him not to follow this particular course of action.


44

Number 6,

Germany 17/09/2008 08:09:54
Liebour can shed as many useless articles as they like. The damage is done, Scots have had more than enough of Liebour in all it's various guises. A new new Liebour won't fool the people again.
45

blackley,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 08:15:57
A former priest eh? So you're a quitter then! Away and join Kevin Keegan if ye've nae stomach for the fight!
46

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 17/09/2008 08:16:57
Never trust a priest,former or current.
47

Scotland to prosper...,

17/09/2008 08:19:23
Baby faced assassin - best headline of 2008?
48

danielrober,

17/09/2008 08:23:05
There is nothing wrong with a short political career. There's also no need to burn the house down when you move on. A little more balanced view could be of benefit to all. Been a minister or senior civil servant is a hard job.
49

Marga,

Fife 17/09/2008 08:30:20
And McKechin? Any views?
50

MacGillicuddy,

17/09/2008 08:30:41
He blew his chances on ever becoming Pope. Now he has blown his chance of ever becoming Prime Minister.
I'm sure some village in Inverclyde might take take him on permanently as their idiot!
51

scottish person,

paisley 17/09/2008 08:35:39
This odious creep christened one of my children.
Why is the hootsmon not supporting Scotland, it is nothing but a unionist rag
52

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/09/2008 08:35:43
I can't remember any time in politics that is so enjoyable.

Watching New Labour Sleaze tearing itself apart is superb viewing.

Bring on the election Comrade!
53

TWC,

Ayrshire 17/09/2008 08:40:52
In any other country the press would be driving the Labour party to a GE but not Scotland.
It would appear to be hands off at the moment.
But Like Wendty Gordon will be brought down by the Party.
54

Kick the pig party,

17/09/2008 08:51:36
I can't decide what part of this whole story I find funniest. Is it that Cairns knew his job was going with the new Secretary of State for the 'Regions' and that he wasn't getting another ministerial job? Is it that he has been a Broon sycophant since he became a minister and has represented the Great one in Scotland?

This vile character dismissed most of Scotland as 'McChattering' when discussing the future of out country. He is anti-Scottish and represents the main problem wit the Labour party in Scotland.

I'll miss him though. I'll miss hurling bricks at the TV when he's on it defending the indefensible. Roll on McKechin the vacuous toadlike creature. It just keeps getting better.
55

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 17/09/2008 09:00:47
His resignation has nothing to do with Gordon Brown or dissatisfaction with Labour. Watch this space.
56

Michael,

17/09/2008 09:02:59
#61

The question yet again is why is this "newspaper" so determined to defend Labour - look at the boak inducing article on Gray's "shadow cabinet". I always thought that they supported New Labour bcause they were the only possible mechanism for delivering Thatcherist policies in Scotland but it seems I was wrong. Maybe it's just that the son of the manse type dull middle class nonentities that run Scottish labour have more in common with this paper's culture and outlook on the world than anyone else.
57

Venerable Bede,

17/09/2008 09:08:57
#62 - yup, he just wants to spend more time with his family..ahem.
58

Arran of Arran,

Isle of Arran 17/09/2008 09:10:09
Quote:

"To be so far behind a vacuous Tory Party, which has nothing to offer the people, and so far behind the SNP, which has betrayed the people of Scotland… "

A chap who lets out such rubbish is better far away from any ministerial position; even better out of all mandates at all. Politics must now at last become consensual and not a fight between parties. This is the only way forward.
59

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/09/2008 09:12:02
I thought our 'leading quality newspaper' might have mentioned the fact that Des Broone categorically denied Cairns was going to resign.

Mind you, that would look like critical reporting!!

We can't have that, can we.
60

brownlie,

17/09/2008 09:13:30
He can't be a very good assassin if he only dealt a crippling blow. If he'd been the assassin in Sarayevo in 1914 the 1st World War could have been prevented.

45 Rules

Does your "anarchists rule" slogan mean that you consider anarchy to be the norm or a desirable quality in a federation?

Cia mar a tha thu, Dave??
61

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging on 17/09/2008 09:16:47
#44 Dave - when I was a lot younger, I handed in my notice from my first (short term contract) job to move to a longer term, better paid one. When he heard that I had done so, my boss was able to congratulate me but his boss gave me what he thought was a withering "rat leaving the sinking ship then!" comment. Being young, the only reply I could come up with was "well, I wasn't the one who started it sinking". Perhaps Admiral Broon ought to think on that.
As for Cairns calling the Tory party "vacuous" and with "nothing to offer the people", my first thought was "pot, kettle, black". So much so, I failed to read the rest of the sentence (difficult when rolling on the floor laughing). Whatever does he mean when he says the SNP have betrayed the people of Scotland? Have they been in control at almost all levels for half a century and ensured that some of our people "enjoy" a shorter life span than those unfortunate enough to live in Gaza? Has our record on health, employment and education been scarred by these Nats for the past 2 generations? Mr. Cairns, you're a prize buffoon. Only a NotLabour politician could possibly be so blind to the causes of so much of our malaise. To quote from a well known TV catch phrase "You are the weakest link - goodbye". Hopefully Inverclyde's voters will repeat this as soon as Admiral Broon gets up the courage to call a General Election.
Song moment for NotLabour: "Wipeout" by the Surfaris
62

Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 09:28:19
Baby faced assassin? I find it strangely disconcerting the mention of babies and Cairns in the same sentence.

Yesterday he said that loyalty was in his DNA. Aye right! To whom?
Not the Catholic church, nor the Labour party, and certainly not the Scottish people.

He's just distancing himself from the damage ready to join whoever he thinks is the ideal man for the job.
A scurrilous slubberdegullion of a man.
63

AJ Fife,

17/09/2008 09:28:56
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but could it be, ex-apprentice Priest Cairns was acting on instruction from Rome? Surely, the PM as a 'son of the manse', would be a number one target for those influenced by all things Papist!

Perhaps Dan Brown should write a book on it........
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TonyB,

Cairn territory 17/09/2008 09:32:49
6, 9 & 68 you seem to have some misplaced faith that Cairns will pay for his actions at the ballot box. I'm sorry to say that I don't share your confidence. Inverclyde is labour pretty much to the core despite what has happened to the area over the years and the lack of any political support for it. I doubt that Inverclyde would return any one other than a labour MP given some of the views people have.
Cairns cares little for his constituency has done little to try and use his position to make things better but has merely used his time as their MP to make plans to further his own career.
His disloyalty and deceit SHOULD be punished at the ballot box but I fear that it won't.
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 09:32:58
#62 WU Merchant

Strange how often I've found myself agreeing with you in the last couple of days.

Early August a reliable source told me Cairns and Browne were considering resigning. The plot thickens.
Don't think Broon'll make to Guy Fawkes day.
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cakeofdestiny,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 09:34:25
what's babyfaced about him then?
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 09:36:59
Scotland will never be free until the last Labour king is strangled by the entrails of the last Labour priest.

Job done then!
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santa cova,

London 17/09/2008 09:37:13
#53..Glasgow ranger.

I though maybe that your type would be lying low around this time.Once again your band of racists and bigots have disgraced Scotland on the world stage.
The song "the famine is over go back" really sums up you and yours.Dont for one moment think that you represent the people of Scotland,you do not.
Just crawl back to the 17th century where you belong!
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cakeofdestiny,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 09:43:57
And has he assasinated anyone while I'm at it?
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 09:44:37
Listening to Salmond on Newsnicht last night it occurred to me that it's a pity his comments weren't broadcast to the rest of the UK. He has a greater understanding of the current economic situation than any other politician I've heard.
Maybe middle England would vote for Salmond as PM.
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AJ Fife,

17/09/2008 09:49:51
#77,

Very True, Mr Salmond was hugely impressive last night! He came over very Statesmanlike......
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 09:55:39
#78 Hi AJ

He also made sense on what to do to counter the fallout of the situation. What have we heard from Broon? Nada! Now that's what I call vacuous!
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danbob,

North East England 17/09/2008 09:56:07
77# Certain that a great majority would. A crying shame that the UK will never benefit from his wisdom.
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John S,

17/09/2008 10:07:25
Why wait until 6 November to hold the Glenrothes by-election ? When during the Parliamentary recess a member of Parliament dies or goes to the Lords, a by-election can be triggered by any two MPs certifying an election warrant.
I am sure just a wee rumour to this affect would get our Gordon a bit concerned because he wouldn't be in control of the by-election date.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 17/09/2008 10:08:50
Salmond was excellent on Newsnicht last night. No matter the personal slurs he takes from opponents, he seems to rise above it all. Forget the partisanship, he has a great economic knowledge, and is a top leader for Scotland.
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JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 17/09/2008 10:11:40
Will the sacrificial lamb Cairns be eventually rewarded by the backers of David (Thatcher MK3) Miliband?
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Number 6,

Germany 17/09/2008 10:20:15
#77 I wish the SNP would put up a few candidates in Englandshire. I feel they would do very well.
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 10:22:41
Cairns is no doubt doing the dirty work for his boss Browne. His glowing sycophantic endorsement of Browne yesterday was revealing. I find both of them quite chilling!
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 10:24:39
#84 Number 6

So do I, but it'll never happen.
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McMillar,

Fife 17/09/2008 10:25:58
The more Brown can eradicate these incompetents from his government the better off he will be. It pains me to think how many we have who are so entirely focussed on internal nonsense when we really need them tackling the big issues. Priorities all wrong and shouldn’t even be thinking about Brown right now. Labour may just implode if they think this is important.
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Budgie,

INCHINNAN 17/09/2008 10:32:59
Resignation seems to be a distinguishing trait of this man.
He could teach Judas Iscariot a lesson or two, I think.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/09/2008 10:34:50
#47 Dave.

Thanks, Dave. I really must buy and read the Scotsman one day. I believe it prints excellemt letters!

# 67 Brownlie.

Anarchism and Federalism are certainly compatible.

Anarchism merely means that we get together and agree the way forward rather than handing power over to persons in whom we have had little or no hand in selecting to do our thinking for us.

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Cheradenine,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 10:46:13
#89 That's not what anrachism means.
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Embra Don,

17/09/2008 10:48:28
#89 Rulesbutnotrulers

Who is "we" and who makes the rules?
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Cheradenine,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 10:55:40
#91 And therein lies the problem, anarchism is not a system of government it is a discourse that seeks to define a political philosophy the only unifying characteristic of which is that there shouldn't be a compulsory government! After that it only gets more complex, no one agrees with anyone else in particular, it's like anarchy I tell you!

What RBNR is talking about is probably some sort of anarcho syndicalism where everyone lives in little communes with people who agree with them. None of it is particularly well defined but that's political philosophy for you!
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bluehead,

edinburgh 17/09/2008 10:56:37
baby faced? I have yet to see a labour politician who looks baby faced,they all look like bunch of Zombies,what a rotten pile they are,the labour goverment have destroyed this country ,it is no longer recognizable as a good place to live in
What shame!!!what a mess!!!
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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 11:01:37
#89 Rules

Really? I thought Anarchism was all about empowering people locally, and decisions being made collectively at a local level. And you still want to retain a central govt at westminster?
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John by the beach,

17/09/2008 11:02:22
When is Brown going to tackle the oil/energy companies about the price of fuel - Brent Crude is trading today at $88.80/ barrel which is a 40% drop from the high of $145 - even allowing for the change in the exchange rate a drop of around 10% in the same period , we have not seen the price of fuel/energy reduced by the amount it should have been and the excuse about the fall in the £ does not wash.
OIL @ $145/Barrel @ $2 to the £ = £72.50/barrel

OIL @ $89/Barrel @ $1.8 to the £ = £49.45/barrel

a 32% reduction in cost why is diesel & petrol still priced so high

We are yet again being ripped off by the Oil & Energy companies
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brownlie,

17/09/2008 11:14:13
89 Rules

That is certainly an original definition of anarchy.

It would appear that the continuation or even existence of central government is strangely at odds with your moniker.

Perhaps you should change to moniker to "Rules dictated by Westminster"?
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Cheradenine,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 11:17:05
#95 Governments do not control multi national private companies, you can't just tackle them.
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inkster,

17/09/2008 11:21:40
Quote GB "As you know, the world is facing a time of economic upheaval. I believe it is vital that we, as a government and as a country, stand together in the face of these difficult times and concentrate all our efforts on helping the British people to come through them," he wrote


This is a US and vassal state UK problem. The rest of the 'world' is having to cope with self generated Anglo-US fecklessness.

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown had an unrivalled chance to make a difference, to break from the past and make the UK into a modern European state.

Instead they mirrored the USA in political and financial policy. They shunned the Euro, encouraged boom and bust, sold the gold, squandered the pensions, aided and encouraged profiteering and privatisation, handed the keys of the treasury to the City and worst of all went to war. The UK defence budget at 45billion is twice that of Russia, and he keeps ordering warships.

You couldn't believe it if you made it up.

Muddle, dithering and incompetence.

Communism fell, and Anglo-US capitalism is crashing. Bargains are to be had and the Arabs and Chinese will soon own 'Great Britain' and they couldn't do a worse job.

Luckily the twins' biggest mistake was Holyrood. Scotland has a chance. And luckily we have the politician with the langest heid by a mile, Alex Salmond.


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Ananurhing,

17/09/2008 11:42:15
#99 inkster

Interesting to see what all these small independent countries with oil based sovereign wealth funds do in these troubled economic times. They go shopping!

What do we do? Sell off all our institutions at bargain basement prices. To small independent countries with sovereign wealth funds.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/09/2008 11:54:08
I can't seem to get onto The Herald's website today. Is anyone else experiencing this??
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Rod5577,

17/09/2008 12:02:33
An orphaned rabbit and snake were, sadly, blind from birth. One day the rabbit tripped over the snake and apologised profusely explaining his blindness and that because of this he did not even know what kind of creature he was.

The snake explained that the same applied to him but offered to feel the rabbit all over to ascertain what kind of creature he was.

"Ah, yes" he said "You have got floppy ears, two hind legs, two short front legs and a bushy tail so you must be a bunny rabbit. Can you do the same for me?"

"Okay" said the rabbit