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The dilemma that will face the new Labour leader



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Published Date: 10 September 2008
Whichever candidate wins at the weekend must be ready to take on Alex Salmond, writes Hamish Macdonell
HOW do you solve a problem like Alex Salmond? That will be the key question for the new leader of the Scottish Labour Party when the votes are counted this weekend.

The First Minister has dominated Scottish politics for the past 18 months to such
an extent that none of his rivals, inside his party or out, has even come close to him.

But Labour Party managers know they must be able to take him on and defeat him if they are to stand any chance of winning the next election in 2011.

If Mr Salmond is as popular then as he is now, Labour might as well give up because it will have no chance of beating the SNP.

Somehow, the new leader has to undermine Mr Salmond's popularity and the Scottish Government's credibility. It will not be an easy task.

Mr Salmond has been almost arrogantly dominant at First Minister's Questions, he refuses to debate on television with any party leader or UK government minister – except the Prime Minister – and his ministers are controlling the pace and timetable of parliament and legislation with dexterity.

Each of the leadership candidates has unique strengths, but only Andy Kerr, the combative former health minister, has declared his intention of taking on Mr Salmond with an openly aggressive approach.

Mr Kerr made clear over the past couple of months that he would hound the First Minister at every occasion, taking him on at his own game, particularly at the weekly joust of First Minister's Questions.

This, though, would be a mistake, according to one senior figure within the party, who believes Mr Kerr's approach would only make the situation worse.

The insider, who did not want to be named, said the only way to take on the First Minister was to be "dry, droll and intelligent", qualities he said Iain Gray possessed but Mr Kerr did not.

He said: "You don't take him on at his own game. He loves the bluster of First Minister's Questions; he is inaccurate; he plays with figures but he loves the bombast of the occasion. It's also difficult to win because he always has the last word and he is a bully."

The source added: "The only way to win is by being fairly relaxed, dry, droll and intelligent. You have to be steady and patient – and don't play his game because he will win."

Mr Kerr has never given the impression of being patient in his approach to Mr Salmond: angry, confrontational and belligerent certainly, but not patient.

It is likely that Cathy Jamieson, the former deputy leader, and Mr Gray, the former enterprise minister, would be able to play the sort of steady and calm game which could unsettle the First Minister.

Ms Jamieson has had several goes at First Minister's Questions in the past, albeit only briefly against Mr Salmond, and has performed competently.

Mr Gray is still burdened with the reputation of being dull in his approach to parliamentary debates, but he showed when he launched a spirited attack on the Scottish Government's legislative programme that he is learning and he has improved.

Last week's performance was Mr Gray's best in many years and it showed that he can be feisty, fiery and sharp.

But some in the Labour movement believe the new leader should simply ignore Mr Salmond and hyping him up – accusing him of lying and making him the focus of their attacks – is playing into his hands.

Lindsay McGarvie, a political and media consultant with McGarvie Morrison Media, said whoever won on Saturday should not even try to take on the First Minister. Instead, the new leader had to come up with better, more appealing and populist policies.

He said: "The bottom line is that Mr Salmond is doing brilliantly in the opinion of the vast majority of the normal people in Scotland. That is the problem the new Labour leader will face. Whoever wins, they can't take him on at his own game."

And he added: "They can't take him on with one-liners, because he will beat them at that, and they will struggle to take him on over the bigger-picture stuff, because he has that covered too.

"The only thing they can do is go deep underground with their policy wonks and come up with ideas which are even more populist than his."

First Minister's Questions is not the only, opportunity for the new Labour leader to take on the First Minister.

Mr Salmond seems to have decided he will not take part in broadcast debates with the other political leaders at Holyrood or UK government ministers unless they are Cabinet minister level or above.

This has prevented his political opponents from debating with him on television, but it has also made him appear pompous and churlish – as shown by his extraordinary performance on the BBC's Newsnight programme earlier this year.

Mr Salmond appeared with David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, but he had told presenter Jeremy Paxman that he would not debate anything with Mr Cairns.

So Mr Salmond sat next to Mr Cairns and tried to ignore him while a clearly irritated Paxman told viewers the First Minister felt he was "too grand" to debate topics of the day with the UK minister.

Mr Salmond may have got his political points across but viewers everywhere were left with the impression he was arrogant, condescending and haughty.

Maybe this is the way to undermine him, by playing to his pride and his ego.

This was certainly the view of a former Scottish Labour spin doctor, who did not want to be named. He said the new Labour leader should wait for Mr Salmond to bring about his own unpopularity.

He said: "They need to stop fighting against the narrative right now – what the media say; what people think across Scotland – that Alex Salmond is popular, he is competent, he is not corrupt.

"People don't believe he is lying so when Labour say 'Salmond has been caught lying again' no-one believes them because they don't believe he was lying in the first place.

"The Labour Party should be arguing against the SNP's policies and coming up with their own."

The spin doctor also said Mr Kerr's approach of going all out for the SNP leader would not work.

"Alex Salmond will become unpopular over time – all politicians do – so Labour should not try to do it now. The Tories didn't make Gordon Brown unpopular, Labour didn't make Margaret Thatcher unpopular and the SNP didn't make Jack McConnell unpopular.

"Alex Salmond will make himself unpopular, you just have to give him time."

What is clear is that whoever becomes the new leader will have to find his or her own way of taking on the First Minister.

There does seem to be a general feeling that the sort of combative approach favoured by Mr Kerr could be counter-productive and that subtlety and intelligence might work better, with attacks based on policy weaknesses rather than personality.

None of the contenders, though, is in any doubt as to the enormity of the task ahead. Mr Salmond has been at the top of his party, on and off, since 1990. He is the most experienced parliamentarian at Holyrood, the most experienced party leader, and he now has the full weight of government and the civil service behind him.

But like every political leader he will have an Achilles heel – whether it's his arrogance, ego or his lack of attention to detail – and it is up to the new Labour leader to find and exploit it.





The full article contains 1294 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 September 2008 9:32 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

The west awake,

Argyll 10/09/2008 00:08:17
I cannot connect the 3 Labour candidates in any way with the descriptions given to them by this journalist.
He makes them sound like worthy, credible opponents who will give Salmond a real challenge.

- Aye Right!, what is the guy smoking?
2

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

10/09/2008 00:21:48
"....Whichever candidate wins at the weekend must be ready to take on Alex Salmond, writes Hamish Macdonell...."

Very Insightful indeed.
3

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

10/09/2008 00:27:56

A truly awful article based almost entirely on half truths, sneaky backstabbing Labour 'no namers' and ex spin doctors......

That will be Lord Foulkes & Simon Pia then....

When is the Hootsman going to get a pair of balls for itself.

4

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 10/09/2008 00:35:45
This article demonstraites that Alex Salmond is dominating the Labour leadership contest more than any of that partys contenders!

By the way, has it been settled yet if the new 'leader' will get to plow his or her own furrow, or will they still have to do what the real leader in London tells them to do?

I think we should be told.
5

Castaway,

10/09/2008 00:55:36
The insider, who did not want to be named.
Former Scottish Labour spin doctor, who did not want to be named.
From a reader who did not want to be named, I believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.
6

Padraig,

10/09/2008 02:21:41
"Mr Kerr made clear over the past couple of months that he would hound the First Minister at every occasion, taking him on at his own game, particularly at the weekly joust of First Minister's Questions."

Deluded, plain deluded!

Not a lot to choose from here, though!
7

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 10/09/2008 02:24:21
What's a "dilemna", Mr Headline Writer?
8

blueguru,

10/09/2008 02:27:40
A former SLAB spin doctor who refused to be named - well, that cuts the field down to 100 or so possibilities!
9

Robbie 2,

New Zealand 10/09/2008 02:37:35
What a terrible article and a clear indication that Scots journalists (and Scottish Labour) do not understand the many hoped for benefits of proportional representation. It should have herald in more conciliatory debates in Parliament and not the public school bun throwing demonstrations you have in Westminster and Holyrood. The emphasis is still on adversarial politics - them and us. The idea that there is a government and an opposition who hotly dispute by default whatever the other side propose. Ad hominid argument is the norm (the last place to take young people to wean them off violence and disregard for others) Members of Parliament should represent the collective will of the people and as such should indeed debate but should examine each proposal honestly and of course oppose it if they genuinely feel it not in the best interests of the nation.

But this idea that there is “a problem like Alex Salmond” - because he‘s popular or Labour must “launched a spirited attack on the Scottish Government” because “Mr Salmond is doing brilliantly in the opinion of the vast majority of the normal people in Scotland.”
And what’s all this reporting of insidious remarks by Labour spin doctors, who do not want to be named. Give us a break the easiest way for a journalist to put a load of old codswallop into and article (like overseas experts say, a spokesman claimed).

The whole article is yet another so called Scottish journalist giving backing to Labour against the evil Salmond and SNP - their problem is that more and more they become out of touch with the people.
10

BIG EYE,

Paisley 10/09/2008 05:08:59
Absolutely pathetic article with a see through strategy of having a few digs at Alex Salmond in the guise of a "story" about the Three Stooges!

To solve the dilemna the new Labour puppet will face when elected Labour in Scotland need to

1.Break away from their UK Party so they don't find themselves always having to defend the indefensible e.g the threat to withhold the council tax rebate money.

2.Remove from office all members who are in the slightest bit dodgy (big drop in membership but worth it in the long term)

3. Spend some time being a CONSTRUCTIVE opposition rather than playground ranting.

Loads more but I can be bothered as they will never learn

11

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 10/09/2008 05:19:59
They seek him here! They seek him there! They seek him everywhere! Is he in heaven or is he in hell? That dammed elusive Scottish labour leader!

Oh! Dreary me, first we Have the Jamieson a little Blonde not much strength, plenty of fizz but no great Head on it.

Then we are offered the Gray, gray coloured it is, orator it is not, has not lost its diary as yet, but if pushed could mis-read the notes teacher told him to read and end up at the bottom of the class again where he has been before.

Now if the prophets are correct to-morrow should see a Kerr now is this one a Kerr’s Pink? You should all know this one all pink when scrubbed, but inside all white with some yellow streaks in it.

There again he who pays the piper calls the tune and with an £18.5 million debt, I do suspect it will be a “Unite” and others of like nature who will be asking for a particular tune.

12

LEAL,

10/09/2008 06:29:33
The new Labour leader will have to start acting in the interests of Scotland.The Labour party will have to come up with some positive reasons for Scotland staying in the union.I dont see that happening.When will the Glenrothes byelection be held?Has McConnel decided not to go to Malawi?
13

Darien,

Panama 10/09/2008 06:40:31
"the new leader has to undermine Mr Salmond's popularity and the Scottish Government's credibility. It will not be an easy task."

That's New Lab speak for "standing up for hard working people in Scotland". Nothing here about what NewLab can do for Scotland, because they don't have a Scotland agenda, only a UK agenda and whatever Scottish colonial policies can fit into a UK agenda. The SNP is exactly the opposite, firing on a pro-Scotland agenda, and that is why it is so popular and a breath of fresh air in the Governance of Scotland.
14

Richardinho,

10/09/2008 06:51:47
What about if the labour party were to stop stabbing each other in the back and come up with some sensible and workable policies.
Would that work?
15

izzie,

dundee 10/09/2008 06:58:32
What a disgusting article. According to this journalist getting Alex Salmond should be a higher priority than making sure that London Labour rethink their anti Scotish policies.
16

Jimmy Le Pie,

10/09/2008 07:02:24
From the Telegraph

"Gordon Brown triggers row with John McCain by 'backing' Barack Obama"

Ah well that's Obama doomed!
17

Colkitto,

River Clyde 10/09/2008 07:04:53
How many un-named sources can you have in one story ?

Dull and boring is the best way to take on Salmond. That paves the way for Iain Grey then....
18

Brahann,

Fife 10/09/2008 07:19:22
#8 "What's a dilemna"

I Think I can help! I think it is what you get when you cross a Dilemma {a problem offering at least two solutions or possibilities, of which none are practically acceptable} and an Enema {a procedure of introducing liquids into the rectum and colon v as a remedy for encopresis}

so it's a real Freudian slip!!!

A truly constipated labour opposition are running in ever decreasing circles not knowing what to do.

Maybe they do need a "dose" to get things moving in their direction...... personally I think it's too late and surgical intervention is needed!!!!
19

Royster,

10/09/2008 07:47:05
Note to Scotsman sub-editor. Regarding the headline, I think it's 'Dilemma' not 'dilemna'. I just checked the dictionary.
20

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 10/09/2008 07:55:54
Hamish Macdonell observes that Alex Salmond "will not take part in broadcast debates with the other political leaders at Holyrood or UK government ministers unless they are Cabinet minister level or above."

This position is entirely appropriate for the First Minister of Scotland, and it is a stance that is recognised by Heads of State in every country in the world. Can you imagine a British Prime Minister in America, a country many times larger than the UK, agreeing to a broadcast debate, chaired by a presenter who is blatantly hostile to Britain, with a minor functionary, an apparatchik, a party hack such as David Cairns?

Of course, the Labour Party, Paxman, and his unionist supporters would deny that the First Minister of Scotland is a head of state: they have shown every interest in belittling his status, and have taken every opportunity to do it, from the notorious Kirsty Wark Newsnight interview onwards.

Well, the exponentially growing number of Scots who haven't doffed their bunnets to the Union and who don't reach for their forelocks and bend their knee in the presence of the sleazy representatives of the UK government do regard him as their head of state, and will not have his status and the dignity of his office devalued by such media and unionist manipulation.

"Viewers everywhere" were not left with the impression that their First Minister was arrogant, condescending and haughty, but those same viewers would not hesitate to apply such epithets to the unelected Paxman and the creepy Labour MP for Greenock and Strathclyde, David Cairns, whose minor status is that of Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State to the Scotland Office, a post that has no relevance whatsoever to the new Scotland.
21

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 10/09/2008 08:05:16
By the way, the new Labour leader will face a dilemma, Hamish, not a 'dilemna', whatever that might be.
22

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10/09/2008 08:08:07
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Alec M,

Falkirk 10/09/2008 08:11:19
I understand that Nu-Lie-bore retains the services of a resident psychiatrist to give the leadership aspirants advice on problems such as outlined above.
Has he been consulted - or, more likely, is he one of the un-named "sources"?
24

Nevsky,

Moscow 10/09/2008 08:21:16
The problem for Labour is not Salmond it is that they are percieved as being corrupt, subservient to Westminster, inept, have no policies never mind a credible leader to represent Scotland.

Devolution has found it's natural home with the SNP, they are the only party to put Scotland first and the people know it.

25

Michael,

10/09/2008 08:31:32
#25

Not to mention: no money, no members, no vision, Iraq, Trident, sleaze, Gordon Brown, the Tories, the voters of middle England, huge debts, lack of talent, no ideas about how to respond to the changing attitudes of the Scottish electorate, Glasgow East, Glenrothes, Jack McConnell, about 40 numpty colleagues in the Scottish parliament, a PR voting system that has cut off their Cooncil career structure, bitterness towards and anger with the elctorate...................

Salmond doesn't even figure but rather than address the real issues they have become fixated on finding the magic spell that will make him disappear. The more that obsession grows the less likely it is that they will ever recover.
26

scottish person,

paisley 10/09/2008 08:53:55
Hamish Macdonnel: Reporter / journalist / joker. You must be kidding. The three candidates for the poison chalice put together have the political nouse of a furry navel. Give us a break from this labour rostering.
27

Doh,

10/09/2008 08:57:39


There is no problem.
Alex Salmond the first Scottish Parliament election, ducked the second and narrowly won the third.

I would give the same advice to Labour as I do to the LibDems - stop attacking the SNP and starting being more positive about your own policies.



28

Doh,

10/09/2008 08:58:50
There is no problem.
Alex Salmond LOST the first Scottish Parliament election, ducked the second and narrowly won the third.

I would give the same advice to Labour as I do to the LibDems - stop attacking the SNP and starting being more positive about your own policies.

Oh btw I am under no illusion at the moment the SNP would win again, but time and tide and all that.
29

Farmernot,

10/09/2008 09:02:24
Can't wait for the numpty that Labour choose to face Eck at questions...........another one will bite the dust leaving Scottish Labour in total meltdown. Bring it on indeed Wendy !!!!!!
30

Simon M,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 09:23:17
#21 Salmond is not our "Head of State" - he just thinks he is.
31

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10/09/2008 09:34:57
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brownlie,

10/09/2008 09:59:22
29 Doh

If you are the one who gives advice to the Lib/Dems they are not exactly setting the heather on fire with it.
33

Simon M,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 10:00:02
#32 Salmond is not out "Head of State" (I think you will find that is the queen's role) but he does strut around like a little dumpy Emperor.
34

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

10/09/2008 10:11:40
I think some Nats are a bit deluded if they think this article was meant to attck Alex Salmond. It seems to me clear that the person it is meant to undermine is Andy Kerr. Jeez - the article could have been written by Iain Gray's campaign team!!

Sorry but they are completely wrong - however much you like or loathe Andy Kerr, he is right when he says that you need to take on Alex Salmond not ignore him. Iain Gray may be a nice man and may have a reputation as being a competent ex-mininster but he will be chewed up and spat out by Salmond.
35

brownlie,

10/09/2008 10:22:57
34 sm753

Nonsense: noun: - something that makes little, or no, sense.

How is Trump a "little tragedy" for Salmond?
36

Michael,

10/09/2008 10:28:12
#37


Yes, you're right. This is about getting support for Ian Gray - it's quite clearly cooked up for that purpose. However, the fundamental problems outlined above by me and others remain in place for Labour no matter what the attitude of the new "leader" is to Salmond. The fact that the candidates are unable or unwilling to address these means that whoever wins will fail to take their party forward.

The second point is about why the Scotsman is interested in allowing itself to get involved on one side or the other in this election by providing this space for Ian Gray's campaign message.
37

Nevsky,

Moscow 10/09/2008 11:09:27
sm753:

50% will vote for independence when faced with a conservative government in Westminster...1% to go..tick tock.
38

weh,

10/09/2008 11:10:25
This "article" by this rag is typical of unionist propoganda!

Why any intelligent Scot even bothers to read this drivel is beyond me!

I am truly grateful to the SNP in achieving power, without which we would not be aware how we had descended to the level of N Korea re the abysmal standards of journalism in this country!

39

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/09/2008 11:17:04
#28 & 29 Doh. What a t0sser !!
40

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/09/2008 11:19:56
#34 sm753

How are the Anger Management and Self-Esteem courses going?
41

Nevsky,

Moscow 10/09/2008 11:25:24
Just out of interest just how many 'unionists' here will vote yes in a referendum? Any answers?

Or perhaps you will faithfull trot out to vote no and fully back a conservative government?

Big decision for you lot.
42

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10/09/2008 11:31:39
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subrosa,

10/09/2008 11:33:18
'Mr Salmond has been almost arrogantly dominant at First Minister's Questions, he refuses to debate on television with any party leader or UK government minister – except the Prime Minister –'

Quite right too. He's our First Minister. How many times did Wendy Alexander appear on Question Time when she was the leader of labour in the Scottish Parliament? Not once. Alex Salmond appeared at least once.
44

Michael,

10/09/2008 11:52:50
#45

Be careful, I asked the same question and my comment was deleted!

45

TWC,

Ayrshire 10/09/2008 11:55:05
This is one of the poorest articles I've read on Scottish politics.
Not only are the three candidates useless but they don't have any Scottish Policies, only the wee things they are allowed to discuss by Westminster.
The claim that Grey was good was laughable, I saw an SNP guy(I don't know who he was) torture Grey about the claims about LIT's effect on a pensioner.
I think we will have to vote en mass for SNP.
46

weh,

10/09/2008 12:13:16
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious but it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly but the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can not longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
Cicero 42 BC. ..........................

47

TWC,

Ayrshire 10/09/2008 12:15:36
weh

Daniel Defoe I presume
48

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 10/09/2008 12:37:15
What? Has this leadership contest not happened yet? These Labourious wallahs certainly know how to -ahem- spin things out. This campaign has run almost as long as the one for the Glenrothes by-election. What do you mean they've not yet declared a date for that? They must have! Next you'll be trying to tell me that there's no date for the Wishaw Holyrood election and that wee Joke isn't comfortably located in the Government chair in Malawi. Things couldn't run THAT slowly, could they? They can?
Oh, well - anyway - when they DO get round to running this election, anyone know who actually has a vote? If it is all Labour Party members, I might just pop along and join so that I can register a NONE OF THE ABOVE on the paper.
49

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 10/09/2008 12:43:52
First find your whelk stall, thought that might be a bit of rarity these days. Then get your three candidates employed running it. If any of the three emerges with honours they might stand a chance of getting a real job - running a whelk stall. But preferably nowhere near the levers of power!
50

Conway,

10/09/2008 12:49:51
"This has prevented his political opponents from debating with him on television, but it has also made him appear pompous and churlish – as shown by his extraordinary performance on the BBC's Newsnight programme earlier this year." That is your opinion Hamish the last time I looked there are 5 million + who live in Scotland and the vast majority are adults who will have an opinion.I personally dont see what is wrong with the post of Scotlands first minister (no matter who has it)being given the respect that it deserves.Hamish if you want a mickey mouse Scots parliament and wish Scots to be treated as subservant then I think you should look elsewhere ,Scotland wants and deserves respect.
51

Doh,

10/09/2008 13:16:46
#42

Hmmm good point. Have you stopped whacking off over a picture of the dear leader?
52

Stuntman Mike,

10/09/2008 13:31:01
#44 Nevsky: I would abstain in any separation referendum. It's not worth dignifying pure folly with a response and an abstension is the best way of showing the extremists my complete lack of interest in their culty agenda.
53

Nevsky,

Moscow 10/09/2008 14:15:31
#55:

A complete lack of interest in the welfare of your country you mean. By extremists i assume you are referring to the forthcoming conservative government.
54

Stuntman Mike,

10/09/2008 14:46:38
#56 Nevsky: Is it really Cameron's new Tories you're talking about? So much for the view from Mother Russia!

55

Nevsky,

Moscow 10/09/2008 15:00:43
57# Mike Stunted Man:

Well i can't think who else you are referring to as 'extremists'? Care to explain the comments with your wealth of insght?
56

karinxxx,

10/09/2008 15:06:35
But like every political leader he will have an Achilles heel – whether it's his arrogance, ego or his lack of attention to detail

This part of the article shows that hamish has no idea of the difference between confidence and arrogance.

confidence is the abitlity to listen to what others say while still holding your own veiw. something the first minister is very good at.

arrogance is a complete disregard for what anyone else says and only listening to your own point of view in effect the im always right mentality of labour.
57

Stuntman Mike,

10/09/2008 15:35:39
#58: their image is such that people tend to forget that they're the Scottish equivalent of Sinn Fein, but read a few of the Nats on here and you'll soon be all to clearly reminded of this, not that there's anything wrong with that per se nowadays.
58

Vote UKIP,

10/09/2008 16:18:25
I can't even be bothered writing about NuLabour anymore. We are all agreed that they are finished, so there's no point discussing them.

Let's bash the SNP instead.
59

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10/09/2008 16:49:09
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10/09/2008 16:50:14
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Stuntman Mike,

10/09/2008 17:09:55
#62 MacGillicudy: fair's fair: you were just asing for a deletion. I don't see Hamish coming on here to ridicule the flimsiness of your posts (unless he comes on under an alias, that is: I know you Nats love a conspiracy theory following that McCrone Report thingy.)
62

Alberto.,

10/09/2008 17:26:36
The Labour Party in Scotland may well achieve a 'Leader(?)'but can it really be classitied as a 'Winne' consdiering the state of the Party?

Very soon - by the look of things, there will also not be a 'leader' and certainly no 'winner' in the Senior heirarchy down in the Westminster Happy valley aka the Politicos forthcoming EU resting place - not forgetting all the 'Perks!'
63

brownlie,

10/09/2008 17:27:17
The astonishing thing about this article is that parts of it are actually true. Come on, Scotsman, go back to the bias.
64

Earnst Blofeld,

10/09/2008 17:31:19
Methinks MacGillicudy disagreed with something that at him!
65

Earnst Blofeld,

10/09/2008 17:31:53
or ate him even!
66

ppink,

10/09/2008 19:30:50

Hamish MacDonell has written a thousand words on Alex Salmond's 'Achilles'Heel' .

It's a living I suppose.







67

Benarty,

Fife 10/09/2008 19:48:47
When Jack McConnel was First Minister, he refused to debate with Alex Salmond on TV. The reason given was that as FM, he should not "bandy words" in the media with a Westminster backbencher from an opposition party. I agreed with Jack McConnel then, and I agree with Alex Salmond now. Just as I also believe that Prime Ministers, and First Ministers sould stay out of by elections.
68

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/09/2008 20:16:26
If there was a "source" in the Labour Party who knew how to handle the First Minister, why has he not been 'handled' up to now?

All mouth and no balls yet again.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/09/2008 21:35:44
A major dilemma may be whether the donations are now to be £995 or a slightly risque £999.

 

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