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Alexander's great escape as MSPs vote against suspension



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Published Date: 05 September 2008
WENDY Alexander yesterday escaped punishment for breaking parliamentary rules after MSPs overwhelmingly voted against suspending her for a day.
The victory for Ms Alexander by 70 votes to 49 is the first time in the history of the Scottish Parliament a Standards Committee decision has been overturned.

After a formal complaint by an SNP researcher, the Standards Committee found Ms Alexander guilty of breaching parliamentary rules by not declaring the ten donations to her leadership campaign worth £525 or more.

She had been advised by parliamentary clerks and lawyers that she need not declare the donations, but this was found to be wrong by the Standards Commissioner, Dr Jim Dyer.

She had also sought advice after the 30-day limit when she should have declared the ten donations worth more than £525. The committee decided, by a vote of four to three, that she should be punished by being suspended for a day.

It was seen by many as the last straw in a difficult year for Ms Alexander, who resigned as Scottish Labour leader the next day.

During the debate yesterday Keith Brown, the SNP committee convener, pleaded with MSPs to "look at the facts".

But Labour's Jackie Baillie said the facts proved that Ms Alexander was innocent. She said as the committee had accepted that it was unclear Ms Alexander had breached the code of conduct it had decided to punish her for the timing of seeking advice, which she said was irrelevant.

Ken McIntosh, a Labour MSP, pointed out that six other MSPs, including the SNP ministers Linda Fabiani and Bruce Crawford, could also be hauled up for declaring donations late.

Jamie McGrigor, a Conservative committee member, attacked the SNP members for acting in a partisan manner and accused them of filibustering so that a decision could not be made by the full parliament before the recess.

"The 'Sword of Damocles' was, therefore, left hanging above the head of the member for an unnecessary two months," he said.

"It disturbs me that in a country which is allegedly famous for justice and fair play, an event of this kind has been allowed to happen in our parliament."

The Highland SNP MSP Dave Thompson, another committee member, suggested that Mr McGrigor had been "got at".

He questioned why the committee had so many new MSPs only elected in May last year.

Margo McDonald, an Independent MSP, then claimed the committee decision had gone against common law.

After the vote, Ms Alexander said: "As I said at the time of my resignation, my pursuers had sought the prize of political victory with little thought of the standing of parliament and that wiser heads would prevail. The decision was a victory for the law, for natural justice and for common sense."

WHAT NEXT?

AFTER more than a year, the arguments over Wendy Alexander's actions are set to continue.

Alex Fergusson, the Presiding Officer, has accepted that there is ambiguity over the rules on donations and the standing of advice from parliamentary clerks and lawyers.

As a result of a request from Ms Alexander's friend and ally, Jackie Baillie, he has called for a review of the rules.

Meanwhile, questions are being asked over the position of the SNP standards committee convener, Keith Brown, who has refused to resign.

The full article contains 556 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 September 2008 11:55 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish Labour Party
 
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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 05/09/2008 00:04:10

She is still as guilty as she was yesterday, and will be tomorrow.

Voters will likely never trust her again.
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05/09/2008 00:13:25
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subrosa,

05/09/2008 00:22:29
Undignified and unladylike. She should have kept her mouth shut. I wonder if it was the 'mole' who asked her lot to rally round now she's out of the picture anyway...
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05/09/2008 00:27:22
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Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 05/09/2008 00:28:05
The majority of MSPs acted in self-interest yesterday and not to the benefit of the country. The Lib Dem guy,O'Donnell, summed it up for me when he spoke of the underhand way in which Wendy's campaign team had organised donations just under £1,000 to escape the Electoral Commission's threshold. Every one of them, Dave Whitton, Jackie Baillie, Tom McCabe and Charlie Gordon should have had their collars felt along with Wendy for the deceitful way they acted. It is they who have brought shame on the Parliament. For Jackie Baillie to say that Wendy was not guilty of wrong doing and that she acted unintentionally is to ask us to believe in fairies. What planet is she on?
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druidh,

edinburgh 05/09/2008 00:30:06
The Standards Committee should be disbanded with immediate effect. What's the point?
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05/09/2008 00:30:53
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Joseph Gibson,

Ayrshire 05/09/2008 00:37:15

I'm just too tired and heading off...
I'd love to type up alot of garbage that's pointless.


Anyway, the sooner the people act the better. You think this is the only problem. Hahaha... I'm sure many of our politicians have made quite a sum of money, and I wonder how many of them have broken rules and laws and got away with it. I just wish that the day the people act, would come sooner rather than later.
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Senga Jean,

05/09/2008 01:01:42
Disgusting. Is this a precedent for other malefactors. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 05/09/2008 01:07:46
Innocent as charged. I guess. So is she letting her name stand in the Labour leadership selection? Surely if this means vindication then Bendy is back in the game.
Anything else would suggest that she feels she's guilty as sin and simply dodged a political bullet.
As Herself would say "Bring it On."
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somerferg,

perth 05/09/2008 01:20:30

Here liebour have someone to be proud of. Yes she did the wrong thing and got away with it. Now where are all the rabid dog liebour supporters commenting on bendy. Come on now - nothing to say in her defence??
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karinxxx,

05/09/2008 02:34:50


http://www.theherald.co.uk/search/display.var.2441143.0.summary_of_interview_with_wendy_alexander.php
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donald,

glasgow 05/09/2008 03:51:17
"I've always wondered why we British allow our politicians to have as much power as they have now, and the funny things is, is that its not just the politicians but their famillies too."

What do yo mean "we", White man?
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05/09/2008 05:25:40
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Geoff,

sa 05/09/2008 05:36:29
Imagine being suspended from the Scottish Parliament for a whole day. That would have been a terrible punishment to bear-Wendy must be immensely relieved!
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05/09/2008 05:46:00
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scottish person,

paisley 05/09/2008 06:01:39
The labour cronies were calling it a political set up by the SNP. The Herald have already said that they were to blame and not the SNP. The Herald conducted an investigation into the illegal donations not the SNP. When will these charlatans tell the truth. As for the three stooges on the EBC last night. All three could not run Scotland put together. When are the ebc going to start playing fair.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 06:23:07
We paid our representatives to spend all doing this in that fine building for which we paid £400,000,000.
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05/09/2008 07:03:35
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Boy Wonder,

05/09/2008 07:26:46
I hope she does the decent thing and resign her seat.

But I'm not holding my breath on that one!!!
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Edinburgh Noddy,

05/09/2008 07:36:51
"She had been advised by parliamentary clerks and lawyers that she need not declare the donations"

Her infringements were technical and trivial, and have brought out unattractive self righteousness in some people. The Standards Committee voted along purely party lines. Her vindication is similarly political. The main loss here is to the standing of the Parliament, but this whole petty affair should be seen in context. It's disappointing that this has led to the resignation of the leader of the opposition.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 05/09/2008 07:53:06
22:

No loss to the Scottish Parliament that someone who clearly broke rules gets a ticking off although she should have been suspended.

Labour have always thought they were a bit too clever to smart to get caught but we all know that they have been corrupt for years in just about every sphere in public life.

Each and every one of them deserves to be outed for the liars, rule benders and corrupt rabble that they are and none of them should be allowed to hold public office.

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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 07:54:26
One law for THEM another for US. What's new ?
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 05/09/2008 07:56:32
Slowly but surely the Scottish people are turning against the Blessed Alex. How long can he last and who will succeed him? It can't be Swinney and Nicola doesn't want the job.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 05/09/2008 08:01:18
25: Merchant:

Really? Care to share the opinion polls with us? This is just a plan lie isn't it?

Either that or you should really read some newspapers.
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D2,

05/09/2008 08:08:30
#22 she did seek advice - long after the period for declaration. In other words she accepted a donation, kept quiet about it and THEN decided to check whether it was or was not legal for her to do so. Surely the point is that she should have checked whether it was legal to accept the donation BEFORE accepting it? In her defence she has always argued that she did not know it was against the rules to accept this donation- but of course if one does not bother to check then one will never know that it is against the rules. The Parliaments own rules allow that it would have been OK for her to accept the donation then check whether it was legal (on the basis that she could have then returned it)provided she does so within a reasonable period after the donation was made. She still has to explain why she did not do so.
While her offence may well have been 'technical and trivial', a one day suspension is also technical and trivial really. And lets mnot forget that, technical and trivial or not, she committed an offence. I note you do not argue that point.
Several quotes spring to mind in respect of that, I give you two;
'let the punishment fit the crime', and:
'if you can't do the time then don't do the crime'
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Mikey,

05/09/2008 08:18:32
#25, WU Merchant. You really should stop the lies. You're beginning to sound like a Liebaa supporte....
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MacGillicuddy,

05/09/2008 08:29:50
Yesterday's vote was a complete travesty. It signifies that MSP's can break the law and get away with it.
A day of shame for the Scottish Parliament. A day of shame for Scotland.
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sam the god,

05/09/2008 08:55:56
The day that democracy died in the Scottish parliament she admitted her guilt.

Yes officer I was over the speed limit but I did not do it intentionally lets ask some motorists (speeders) if I should be convicted.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 05/09/2008 08:59:38
"The committee decided, by a vote of four to three"

LIE.

The vote was 4-0, with three abstentions.
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Alastair the First,

05/09/2008 09:02:12
Ok, let's move on, as Tony Blair was so fond of saying.

Next item on the agenda: when are the prosecutions going to start over that Renfrewshire Industry Forum (or whatever it was called) dinner scam? Strathclyde polis were leaned on to not look too closely at it, but I believe someone complained and they were forced to re-open the investigation. Time we ehard more about that one I think.

Labour = Crooks.
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Alan B,

05/09/2008 09:16:12
Disgrace

Probably the biggest issue is she still tries to maintain she did nothing wrong. It is almost unbelievable.

Corruption needs to be hounded out of political life. The fact that corruption is so deep routed in labour culture it would surely be best if the parties was killed off.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 09:16:24
And now for the next act:-

Bring on The 3 Stooges.

To be followed shortly by Marshall's Expenses and the Glenrothes by-election.
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 09:17:11


Alexander the self confessed LAW BREAKER:

"As I said at the time of my resignation, my pursuers had sought the prize of political victory with little thought of the standing of parliament and that wiser heads would prevail. The decision was a victory for the law, for natural justice and for common sense."


I'm so glad both UUendy and Jackie issued statements. They would have been better advised to just move on discretely. However, it seems they would rather continue the previous tactic of displaying to all their total contempt for the rule of Law and the intelligence of the Scottish People.

The whole country KNOWS she was at it. The committee found against her. She had even admitted it. "Out of touch" does not even come close to describing either her or the rest of the Nulab types.

Noticed Charlie Gordon being sensible and keeping HIS head down for once. Can ANYONE get their head round HIM, of all people, trying to put himself forward for the Leadership Election?? The man who solicited and then attempted to cover up the illegal donation from Jersey businessman, Paul Green, until being grassed on to the press by the "Mole"

We never DID find out definitively who the "mole" was, did we? Many seem to suspect Curran but suspicions over Jamieson have never gone away either. Mmmmmm.
Might mean the "mole" is still at large.


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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 09:18:52
Ms. Alexander has only won a pyrrhic victory?

As one politicial commentator put it:
"Why did she resign in the first place"!
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 09:19:08


#34, Alastair the First, at 09:02:12am,

SIF Police Investigation? - yes please - but I'm not holding my breath.



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The Tin Man,

05/09/2008 09:20:10
So much for Hollyrood. Back to the trough...
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Geoff,

sa 05/09/2008 09:26:44
Joe kerr-two things to remember Joe-All politicians are broadly the same-long on talk and short on delivery. And secondly,whilst some are victims of hardship beyond their control, the hardships you mention that some suffer-job and home losses,depresion,the breakup of relationships etc can notbe put down only to the failings or perceived failings of politicians.
Some people lack self help and self reliance abilities. Some people can not be helped.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 05/09/2008 09:27:47
Well Wendy got off who's next?

Think I can answer that one.

Last week the former constituency chairman of Paisley North Labour Party and former Deputy Leader of Renfrewshire Council was charged with Fraud involving claims made at both Renfrewshire and Glasgow councils (Glasgow being his place of employment).

The word is that tens of thousands of pounds are involved.

I presume the task of the courts will be to determine whether his actions were intentional or otherwise.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 09:36:07
This spineless decision by the unionist mob will make labour despised more than ever.
More votes for the SNP, thank you very much.
I watched the three stoogies last night,labour are in deep dodo they have nothing to offer.Self preservation is their only policy.
In the eyes of the electorate ubendy is a crook who seems to be above the law,people don't like that and she will be out on her fat bahooki at the first opportunity.
Nice pic by the way,Thanks to the photographer for not showing us that mush. I can enjoy my breakfast without boking.


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subrosa,

05/09/2008 09:38:38
Robbie Dinwoodie's blog in the Herald has a transcript of the Commissioner's report of his interview with Ms Alexander. Interesting.
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 09:42:05
Margo McDonald hit it on the head and showed how Infantile the SNP are .We had the SNP start the cash for Honours Fiasco a man with absolutely no honour who was messing around on his Pregnant wife ...also it was noted SNP MSPs Fabiani and Crawford should also have been but the SNP researcher who started all this forgot to add their name and Natz supporters will not admit this ..the Natz on that Commision showed that they still use school yard tactics something they are good at and will be their downfall ..and could Wee Ecks Spin Doctors tell him it is undignified for a FM to chew gum in the Chamber ..he looked like a Ned and Dave Thomson The Wee Baldy Screeching Sweety wife of the Highlands and Adams the stuttering waffler ...It was an eyeopener watching the debate and showed the Natz as they truly are ..idiots of the First Order ...
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boudica,

05/09/2008 09:44:35
Fabiani and Crawford should also have been reported * something the SNP Researcher ( who should now be sacked )didnt do so it was a Partisan Act ..that as did us all a favour and showed the Natz as unfit for purpose
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 09:46:54
It would fit the SNP better to throw out if They were as robust in tossing Kalashnikoff toating Member out ..but Noooooooo..that would upset their supporters wouldnt it ..
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Geoff,

sa 05/09/2008 10:02:04
43-Roughrider-Unionist Mob! Hmm.

Thats an evenhanded asessment RR.
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IdontknowbutIthink,

Byelection Constituency 05/09/2008 10:02:30
I admit to being a Labour Member and would say to #34 that he is wrong about all the Party. In my 20+ years working in this Community I never claimed any expenses even when I had paid out from my own pocket. I also worked for a long-serving Councillor who retired last year and whose UNDER claiming of expenses was the norm. In fact, monthly finances were never complete until all the Charities signed up to had received their donations.
Nonetheless, Ms Alexander was wrong and the simple solution for the future would be to make ALL donations to political parties have compulsory disclosure. Then we would perhaps discover that many politicians could be "crooks" and that they could be in every party.
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Geoff,

sa 05/09/2008 10:04:36
43 Roughrider-its difficult to consider what you say seriously when you use broad insulting throwaway remarks like that RR.
Fourlegs good twolegs bad?
A remarkably prophetic and enduringly accurate parable-have u read Animal farm?
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The Tin Man,

05/09/2008 10:05:16
The 'decision' made by the standards commitee is just another example of the polarised party politics displayed by many Scotsman posters.

Wendy's donation pales into insignificance when Mr. Soutar can change party policies for 500,000 - but no comments from the other party's, as they are probably all just as guilty, and it is not illegal.

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05/09/2008 10:18:47
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Mr H 2u,

Embra 05/09/2008 10:22:35
A Scandal and a Disgrace.

http://ascandalandadisgrace.blogspot.com/2008/09/true-colours.html
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05/09/2008 10:23:49
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Alan B,

05/09/2008 10:29:51
#IdontknowbutIthink

It was not just this one incident.

The main thing with Wendy was the illegal donation. And for me not the donation but the whole cover up with most of the info coming to the public domain via leaks from her own office.

Rather and put her hands up and admit the illegal donation we got all that rubbish about it being from a company. Which even the donator said was untrue. A donator that labour had already refused money from as they knew he was not legally able to give money to them.

We have even had the msp responsible for the donation say that wendies team put out the story about the company and not him. He said that he was asked the name of the company that the donator was associated to and he did not know that wendies team were going to use it as the source of the donation to get round the fact they had broken the law.

Finally the thank you letter showed Wendy knew and about the donation and could not claim ignorance.

But add to that. We now have 2 out of 4 labour leaders in scotland resigning due to financial irregularities.

We had Blair under police investigation. Lets face it few think is not guilty of trading honours for cash. It was under his leadership they said they would clean up financial funding. They would have openness. But ended with saying donation should be declared and got round their own rules by taking loans instead (that were clearly in breach of commercial terms as stated by the law).

We have now had the electral commission say the reason for non prosectution of many cases is becuase of a 5yr amnesty.

Then last summer we had hundreds of thousands of pounds of donatiion knownly passed through 3rd parties to get round declarations.

And finally we had the deputy leadership contest where harman and hains were both caught taking dodgy donations.
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Alan B,

05/09/2008 10:32:34
#The Tin Man

I really do not know where your are coming from.

Labour were continuing involved in breaking financial rules and even the law. Wendy was just another in a long line and has been made to pay. Even where not breaking the rules they have been breaking the spirit of the rules.

Have you any proof that the snp adjusted their policy due to a donation or is that just an empty accusation.
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Ffion,

Lyon 05/09/2008 10:33:27
Hope this is going to be a wake up call to all msps to clean up their act- it's also time for all the sychophants, lobbyists, & boot lickers seeking to curry favour with these people to be regulated so we know exactly who is wining and dining the politicians and for what purpose. On the subject of booze, while banning under 21s from buying it, why not stop politicians consuming it at public events ?
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Alan B,

05/09/2008 10:38:25
#Ffion

How can this be a wake up call when the msp have backed letting someone off with breaking the rules of donations.

A person who had just broken the law by accepting illegal donations (showing that the non declaration of donations was not a first time offence). A person who had clearly tried to cover up her acceptance of illegal donations. A person who had to be outed as trying to hide her illegal activity by someone within her own team that leaked the letter she wrote showing she was fully aware of the illegal donation and its origin.
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Ffion,

Lyon 05/09/2008 10:44:35
#62 Alan B

Let's face it she's not the MSP to have messed up, think McLetchie & the wee guy Henry McLeish and has already resigned so nowhere else for her to go.The whole pompous parliamentary set up needs scrutinised & the stuff we don't see (eg lobbying & other stuff) goes on behind closed doors and is completely unregulated.
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The Tin Man,

05/09/2008 10:49:36
#55 Joe Kerr

Try reading my post before commenting on it.
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The Tin Man,

05/09/2008 10:52:58
#59 AlanB

The SNP included bus re-regulation in their 2004? policies, and they voted in favour of bus re-regulation at their last conference.

They voted with the Conservatives in favour of bus de-regulation in June.

However, that is not proof, and policy-through-bribery not illegal. Still awaiting a reply from the transport minister on the matter...
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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

05/09/2008 11:02:00
Difficult to know who looked the worst. Salmond and his pack of sanctimonious wild dogs or Bendy Wendy.
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The Tin Man,

05/09/2008 11:03:55
#66 Joe-Kerr

My post was refering to all party's, but your mind-set appears to be unable to understand plain language.

Goodbye.
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AJ Fife,

05/09/2008 11:06:13
It won't be long before a Labour worthy gets exposed again for some form of dubious activity. It seems to be what they do best..........
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Alan B,

05/09/2008 11:17:08
#Ffion

Do not disagree.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 11:26:37
I wonder if Marshall will be pleadiing pig ignorant
unintentional wrong doing.
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Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 05/09/2008 11:27:47
‘Uncle’ Murray’s "not in the public interest" manoeuvre was smellier than this.
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Angus Ogg,

05/09/2008 11:32:04
# 76 Guga II, She may have escaped, but Ms Alexander has not gotten away with it. This aroma of rodent will follow her forever.

Next, the Era of Damocles is about to follow this load of lobby fodder that voted for Alexander to be let off lightly....

Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Edinburgh Central) (Lab)
Brankin, Rhona (Midlothian) (Lab)
Brocklebank, Ted (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Brown, Gavin (Lothians) (Con)
Brown, Robert (Glasgow) (LD)
Brownlee, Derek (South of Scotland) (Con)
Butler, Bill (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab)
Carlaw, Jackson (West of Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab)
Craigie, Cathie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab)
Curran, Margaret (Glasgow Baillieston) (Lab)
Eadie, Helen (Dunfermline East) (Lab)
Finnie, Ross (West of Scotland) (LD)
Foulkes, George (Lothians) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gillon, Karen (Clydesdale) (Lab)
Glen, Marlyn (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Godman, Trish (West Renfrewshire) (Lab)
Goldie, Annabel (West of Scotland) (Con)
Gordon, Charlie (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Henry, Hugh (Paisley South) (Lab)
Jamieson, Cathy (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Kelly, James (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab)
Kerr, Andy (East Kilbride) (Lab)
Lamont, Johann (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Livingstone, Marilyn (Kirkcaldy) (Lab)
Macdonald, Lewis (Aberdeen Central) (Lab)
MacDonald, Margo (Lothians) (Ind)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney) (LD)
McAveety, Mr Frank (Glasgow Shettleston) (Lab)
McCabe, Tom (Hamilton South) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotl
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Angus Ogg,

05/09/2008 11:34:33
Getting Away With Dodgy Donations Lobby Fodder (continued).....

McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McLetchie, David (Edinburgh Pentlands) (Con)
McMahon, Michael (Hamilton North and Bellshill) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab)
McNulty, Des (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Mulligan, Mary (Linlithgow) (Lab)
Munro, John Farquhar (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfries) (Lab)
Oldfather, Irene (Cunninghame South) (Lab)
Park, John (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Peacock, Peter (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Peattie, Cathy (Falkirk East) (Lab)
Purvis, Jeremy (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Elaine (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Smith, Elizabeth (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Smith, Margaret (Edinburgh West) (LD)
Stephen, Nicol (Aberdeen South) (LD)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Stone, Jamie (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD)
Whitefield, Karen (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab)
Whitton, David (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab)
Aitken, Bill (Glasgow) (Con)
Alexander, Ms Wendy (Paisley North) (Lab

Abstentions....

Grahame, Christine (South of Scotland) (SNP)
Marwick, Tricia (Central Fife) (SNP)
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WL,

livingston 05/09/2008 11:51:14
The fact remains that she broke the rules. The MSP's who voted against suspending her are seemingly hiding something themselves.
And why should MSP's be allowed to overturn a decision of the Standards Committee?????
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IainA,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 13:02:20
To a degree, this echoes the parochial nature of Scottish politics nowadays, croneyism, cliques, twisting the rules to score political points. Hounding MSP's with the "there are still questions that need to be answered" ploy. It was done with McLeish, it was done with Alexander - taxi fares and fiddling donations under a thousand quid! oh please! What about some of the dodgier dealings with developers? No one seems to be investigating that.Or what about the Parliament building itself - not one person got the sack for it.

On the other side, you also have politicians like McLeish and Alexander who absolutely refuse to resign when they are well and truly caught. They just about had to throw McLeish out of the building and Alexander is just refusing to leave!

The Scottish Parliament is in my view a nasty little snake pit full of professional politicians who regard it as a career rather than a calling. There are of course, always exceptions, such as Margo McDonald and the like, but in the main, they all look like timeservers and jumped up "cooncilors" to me.
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 13:28:27
The unionists have protected their own but this decision has affected the credibility of parliament. Couldn't Wendy have accepted her slap on the wrist ban with good grace? After all she broke the rules.

Instead she now claims she should have had no punishment whatsoever despite admitting breaking the law.

Her reason? Because she asked for clarification of the law months later and received inaccurate advice.

Sorry but if you commit a crime in the real world you get punished for it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless of course you have friends in high places who can vote to save you. This decision is morally wrong and it will haunt Labour and the other unionist parties yet.

The smokescreen of attacking Keith Brown and the rules themselves won't wash. Alexander made a mistake, if she had admitted that mistake and took her punishment then fair enough, instead at every turn she has tried to wriggle her way out of it and in the process has murdered her political credibility and that of her party.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

05/09/2008 13:29:21
"She had been advised by parliamentary clerks and lawyers that she need not declare the donations, but this was found to be wrong by the Standards Commissioner, Dr Jim Dyer."

This for me is the crucial issue which some of the numpties here seem to ignore.

If she was given advice by the very people responsible for monitoring the register then surely it is the Parliamentary clerks and lawyers who are at fault not her?
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Matt there,

Somewhere 05/09/2008 13:51:15
1) She is still as guilty as she was yesterday, and will be tomorrow.

Voters will likely never trust her again.

Yes. I agree. She is GUILTY. As guilty as a weasel in a hen house.
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The Master,

05/09/2008 14:11:22
#57 Hawkeye: greetings me old china! You do mock indignation better than anyone else on here, and it's quite frankly beyond parody.

I just hope wonder how someone who's able to work himself into such a lather over this storm in a teacup is able to cope with everyday frustrations, such as misplacing your reading glasses (I know you're that age!)
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

05/09/2008 14:15:32
How to Get ahead in politics - be a rule breakin’ NO-Good !

still . . . ya’ve got to pity the ugly-ness of it all !

This is why the majority and the good do not vote !
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Alan B,

05/09/2008 14:33:52
#The Federalist

She did not actually seek advice on declaring the donations till about 2 months after the deadline for the declaration. It was only after she was being investigated for the illegal donation that she tried to get advice on declaring these other donations.

If she has got the advice with the permitted period that would cast a completely different light on things.

She has also not admitted her failing but still pretends she did nothing wrong. That is what annoys me more.

Remember aswell labour made the rules. She was a very senior figure in that labour government for certain periods. Why were the rules so unclear to her that she was uncertain. Rules should be clear cut.

Remember most people are probably condemning her more for the illegal donation in the earlier episode. I lost all faith in her integrity with the cover up and her whole arrogance in dealing with the situation. For me it shows this was not a one off. (There are only so many muddles you can allow someone before it becomes a fiddle.)



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Aearnur,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 15:27:04
She's a sleekit wee beastie and no mistake.
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Angus Ogg,

05/09/2008 15:47:28

You can't get a "little bit pregnant".

Bendy Wendy broke the law. As a professional lawmaker herself, she should know much, much better.

As for the £995 donation racket. Well that just defines what a Parcel O' Rogues the Holyrood Folly is.
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drew 33,

duddingston 05/09/2008 16:21:37
Anyone seeing Wendy's picture on the front of today's "Metro" would think publishing it was punishment enough. Great likeness though!
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Publius,

London 05/09/2008 16:28:23
I've no love for Wendy but there is a touch of hypocrisy about some of the posts on this board. Wendy did not declare moneys received for expenses (a technical illegality and no cost to the taxpayer). But that's nothing compared with what MSPs and councillors of all parties get up to with allowances (legal but immoral and very costly to taxpayers). And councillors from the SNP who take their children away to learn how to shoot from potential terrorists are only suspended from the party for a short while.
It's time to move on from Wendygate.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 05/09/2008 16:29:14
The picture speaks a thousand words and could be best titled "Glad to see the back of you".

I think she's really deluded enough to believe that this further cave-in from yet another commission looking into her dreary and sordid acts means that she's been "exonerated". Well maybe in your mind Wendy but for the rest of us you're finished in politicial terms and your actions and words have demonstrated what a shallow grasp you have of personal and public ethics.
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The Master,

05/09/2008 16:37:10
#93 Publius: indeed. It's instructive to compare the eagerness of Nats on here for everyone to put "Trumpgate" behind them, which was every bit as heinous a scandal by any objective assessment.

If Wendygate is the Nats' idea of serious corruption then they truly are living in Lala land.
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morris,

edinburgh 05/09/2008 16:45:27
The standards committee found her guilty when everybody knows she was guilty ,and she admitted being guilty. I wonder if she could be guilty?


I agree with Labour.
How can she be guilty when she is guilty?
That is clearly a nasty smear by the SNP and the press and the public and the TV and the Radio and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all.

Labour say she is innocent until proven guilty,and she cannot be proven guilty cos we fixed it that way.
Therefore she is innocent.
This means that :
The standards committee needs to be replaced
Far better that we have an electoral commission who intervene and prevent any guilty verdicts being possible by not allowing the PF to do their job and assess whether a trial should take place or not.Yes that should restore the good name of the Labour Party.

LIARS EVERY ONE OF THEM .

They are not fit for kerbside collection!
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Miss H,

05/09/2008 17:13:01
We are not really talking about scandals here though Master. Michael Jackson – he’s pretty scandalous Or to go back to your era, Liz Taylor running off with Eddie Fisher, that’s a scandal.

But this isn’t about a big scandal so much as general impropriety and illegality.

You may think the Trumpgate palaver was scandalous but there was no impropriety or illegality. Whereas with Wendyville there was both.

Having said that who cares? She did not resign because of this very minor scandal, she resigned because she did not have the support of her party.
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Miss H,

05/09/2008 17:21:23
84 It's a bit more complicated than that. Not only did she make the enquiry after the period that she should have declared it within had expired but she also asked have any other people declared similar donations i.e. made during the course of an internal election campaign.

To which the answer would be no.

So she's tried to be too clever by half. What peed me off was where she was quoted as saying that the task of checking whether the twenty donations she received were permissable was 'onerous'. What rubbish. She does actually think everyone else is stupid.
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The Master,

05/09/2008 17:24:19
#97: I think the whole sorry episode says more about rules which were introduced relatively recently and the fact that their implications were not fully understood by politicians at the time.

Eddie Fisher divorced Liz 4 years before I was born, btw. I know I'm not a spring chicken, but why does everyone assume that I'm seriously aged? Maybe it's the maturity and insight of my posts.
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European Scot,

05/09/2008 17:27:49
84 The Federalist

" She had been advised by parliamentary clerks and lawyers that she need not declare the donations, but this was found to be wrong by the Standards Commissioner, Dr Jim Dyer."

" If she was given advice by the very people responsible for monitoring the register then surely it is the Parliamentary clerks and lawyers who are at fault not her?"

Wendy Alexander was the leader of New Labour in Scotland, the head in charge.
Sorry, but none of what you state above will wash, the buck stops here, remember.
She who holds the reigns is responsible for the way in which the horse goes.
Especially as she only moved on the subject two months after the deadline.
Guilty as originally charged, the head should have rolled.
The rest is not so pure farce.
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subrosa,

05/09/2008 17:37:36
# 84

See Robbie Dinwoodie's blog for a transcript of the interview between the Commissioner, Ms Alexander and her brief.

He asserts she is selective in what she says. It was this transcript that was used in the decision of the Standards Committee along with other documents.
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Miss H,

05/09/2008 17:39:31
99 How do you know when Eddie Fisher divorced Liz Taylor? Did you look it up or is the date engraved on your heart?
98

European Scot,

05/09/2008 18:01:58
99 The Master

" I think the whole sorry episode says more about rules which were introduced relatively recently and the fact that their implications were not fully understood by politicians at the time."

I may be wrong, but weren't the rules you refer to introduced by New Labour in an effort to prevent the SNP receiving funds from generous overseas donors, like Sean Connery.
If I am correct, there is a certain irony.

102 Miss H

" 99 How do you know when Eddie Fisher divorced Liz Taylor? Did you look it up or is the date engraved on your heart?"

Heart Miss H ? Im afraid the stake did away with that !
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/09/2008 20:12:22
57...No I dont think it is right for any Politician to run roughshod over anyone ..and I do mean Any Politician ..Why did The Researcher who reported Ms Alexander not also report the others including Fabiani and Crawford who did the same exact same thing as Ms Alexander ? and why didnt The Natz go after them as robustly ? that is the problem I have with it all ...and then why did the SC totally ignore the PFs findings ? and it seems various other legal bodies ? it seems the Natz can do as the want and we have all do doff our caps and ay nothing and the Natz supporters blindly follow supporting them ...so it is a case of the Pot calling the Kettle ..