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Bookies' favourite launches leadership bid



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Published Date: 02 August 2008
ANDY Kerr launched his campaign for the Scottish Labour leadership yesterday as bookmakers made him the outright favourite to succeed Wendy Alexander.
The East Kilbride MSP will contest the leadership election against Iain Gray and Cathy Jamieson and yesterday became the last of three to set out his agenda formally.

At the launch, Mr Kerr, who was surrounded by his family, promised to push throu
gh plans for a £360 million initiative to extend provision of 800 hours of free child care a year to all two-year-olds – at present it is available for three- to five-year-olds.

He also signalled he may support a referendum on independence, saying he "recognised the right of the Scottish people to decide their constitutional future". But he stressed he would not support the SNP's current 2010 timetable. He added: "Mr Salmond has to act in a responsible manner when he brings forward his ideas on that, because at the moment we don't have the detail, we don't have any guarantee that it's a 'neverendum'."

Mr Kerr said if he won the leadership he would want to take greater direct control as leader of the Scottish Labour Party, not just the party in Holyrood.

And he had a warning for the First Minister that his "day of reckoning is coming", especially over the proposed local income tax, which he branded "a shambles".

"He (Alex Salmond] has also got his own credit crunch coming along," Mr Kerr said. "It is coming in terms of the financing of this country."

He went on: "I will be a bold Scottish leader. My fellow Scots, I'll focus my energies on making your hopes – and your ambitions – reality. I will fear no-one and I will do whatever it takes to deliver these promises.

"We – Scottish Labour – face a hell of a challenge. We all know where we've been. We all know things have gone wrong. But, from this point on, it's about the future. We have an opportunity to work together to win again. It is an opportunity I am ready to seize."

Shortly after the launch, Mr Kerr was quoted by Ladbrokes as the clear favourite at 1/2, with Mr Gray on 3/1 and Ms Jamieson, the left-wing candidate, even further back at odds of 4/1.

However, as nominations closed, Mr Gray, the MSP for East Lothian, had the most support from MSPs, with 13 nominators from all around Scotland. This included a late addition by Glasgow Cathcart MSP Charlie Gordon, who had hoped to run as leader himself.

He also received late backing from John Park MSP, of Mid Scotland and Fife, who he hopes will bring with him a lot of trade union support. Mr Kerr had ten nominators and Ms Jamieson 12.

Mr Gray said that he was delighted with the backing he had received and some close supporters admitted surprise that he had come out on top in the number of MSPs giving support.



Ms Jamieson, who kicked off her campaign on Tuesday, continued her pitch to take the party back to traditional left-wing values by saying that she wants to see a substantial increase in student bursaries.

She has already called for a windfall tax on energy companies and supported the powerful Co-operative movements demands that Network Rail is mutualised on a not-for-profit basis.

"I believe that your background should not have to determine your future," she said. "I'd like to see a substantial expansion in student bursaries. The SNP's abolition of the graduate endowment will not help talented, bright young people from less affluent backgrounds get into university in the first place."

Nominations also closed for the post of deputy leader, which was made vacant by Ms Jamieson who decided to concentrate on the leadership election.

Just two candidates have emerged – Bill Butler, Glasgow Anniesland MSP and Johann Lamont, Glasgow Pollok MSP.

Ms Lamont appears to be an early front-runner with 17 nominators compared to Mr Butler's seven.

Among her nominators was Des McNulty, Milngavie MSP, who many people thought would run for the deputy post himself.

The Contenders

CATHY JAMIESON

Constituency: Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley

MSP nominators: Bill Butler, Malcolm Chisholm, Cathie Craigie, Patricia Ferguson, Marlyn Glen, Rhoda Grant, Hugh Henry, Cathy Jamieson, James Kelly, Elaine Murray, Cathy Peattie, Karen Whitefield

Where support lies: Trade unions and many grassroots members

Campaign pitch: The need to go back to traditional Labour values

Policy announcements: Mutualising network rail, calling for a windfall tax on energy companies, increasing bursaries for students

Key quote: "I want to rebuild the party, but I want to do that with a view to getting the message across to people in parts of Scotland particularly where we have, for whatever reason, lost contact with them"

Odds:4/1

ANDY KERR

Constituency: East Kilbride

MSP nominators: Jackie Baillie, Karen Gillon, Andy Kerr, Ken Macintosh, Paul Martin, Frank McAveety, Michael McMahon, Duncan McNeil, Pauline McNeill, Peter Peacock

Where support lies: Greater Glasgow, where Mr Kerr was a senior council official, and the remnants of Team Wendy, who supported Wendy Alexander

Campaign pitch: Keen to promote his image as a family man and experience as a former health and finance minister

Policy announcements: 800 hours a year free childcare or nursery education for every child aged two to five

Key quote: "Alex Salmond has got his day of reckoning as First Minister"

Odds: 1/2

IAIN GRAY

Constituency: East Lothian

MSP nominators: Claire Baker, Richard Baker, Sarah Boyack, Rhona Brankin, Margaret Curran, Helen Eadie, George Foulkes, Charlie Gordon, Iain Gray, Des McNulty, John Park, Richard Simpson, David Stewart

Where support lies: MPs in Westminster where he once worked, some younger activists and a wide spread of MSPs

Campaign pitch: Claims to be a serious, thoughtful politician who would compare well to Alex Salmond's playground politics. Wants to heal past party rifts and admits that Labour did "not do enough in power"

Policy announcements: No to a referendum in 2010.

Key quote: "I am as Scottish as Alex Salmond"

Odds: 3/1

Rumbles makes Home Rule manifesto plea

MIKE Rumbles yesterday called for Home Rule for Scotland as he launched his manifesto to lead the Liberal Democrats in Scotland.

Mr Rumbles sent a manifesto to party members with his key aims, ahead of the first two hustings next Saturday against rivals Tavish Scott and Ross Finnie.

Top of the list was his vision of Scotland's future which would see the country run itself, raise its own taxes, have complete control of oil revenues, but stay within the UK for defence and foreign affairs.

He argues that Scotland should send money to Westminster to support these wider services rather than Westminster sending money to Holyrood to fund domestic services.

Other policies included making 50 per cent of new homes affordable; opposing ID cards and the increase of a surveillance society, especially more CCTV; and opposing nuclear energy.

"It is important that as Liberal Democrats we have our own distinctive brand and policies," he said. "My manifesto offers exactly that, especially on our constitutional future."

The current party position is to support greater devolution, but Mr Rumbles's policy would take this much further.

While Shetland MSP Mr Scott is still the favourite to win the leadership, Mr Rumbles, the West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine MSP, and Mr Finnie, an MSP for West of Scotland, are seen as having a chance of beating him.

Hustings will be on 9 August in Glasgow and Edinburgh followed by 16 August in Inverness and Aberdeen. The winner will be declared on 26 August.

John Hutton gives Gordon Brown belated backing

GORDON Brown received the grudging backing of a Blairite Cabinet minister yesterday as a poll suggested his main rival, David Miliband, may not be any more successful at a General Election than the beleaguered Prime Minister.

Business Secretary John Hutton insisted that Labour could win the next election – but failed to mention Mr Brown, as Mr Miliband had done in a controversial newspaper article earlier this week.

When he was pressed on the omission, Mr Hutton snapped: "For heaven's sake, let's get serious. Of course we can win with Gordon as our leader."

The incident came as only 15 per cent of respondents to a YouGov poll said Mr Brown was "up to the job" – 65 per cent saw him as a liability, compared with 25 per cent when he entered 10 Downing Street a year ago.

Overall, the poll put Labour on 25 per cent and the Tories on 47 per cent. Asked to imagine Mr Miliband as leader, Labour's figure dropped to 24 per cent.







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1

Traquir , Alba,

02/08/2008 00:12:29
In related new it looks like
Labour is ripping itself apart :

"Labour activist deals heavy blow to Kerr campaign"

"Jim Dempsey, son of the late James Dempsey, has circulated an open letter to MPs, MSPs and other senior Labour figures in the area, criticising Mr Kerr's role in the threatened closure of Monklands emergency department."

"Are you the person who was prepared to oversee the closure of essential A&E services in Monklands and elsewhere? The person who would close an eye to centuries of Labour struggle to improve the quality of life for all?

"Instead you would have non-accountable quangos - not locally elected representatives - to decide which services would be available to the aged and infirm, the young and the old, to those in most need in North Lanarkshire."

see - tinyurl.com/5g7gmo

Of course faux-socialists Jamieson and Gray like
sheep also favoured the closure. Why don't
Labour have done with it and have their schisms and
break into little pieces - the actual
socialist parties Solidarity and the
Scottish Socialists and ready and waiting
for them with their true socialist agendas
and incidentally pro-independence policy :)
2

BIG EYE,

Paisley 02/08/2008 00:30:47
And we all know just how well the bookies did in forecasting the outcome of Glasgow East!.

This is clearly for any money Labour punters have left after been skinned by the bookies as Margaret Curran crashed and burned!
3

Darien,

Panama 02/08/2008 00:35:00
It is an irrelevant who becomes Scottish Labour leader as they are all tarred with the same stick. They are all spivs with no principles, as has been proved time and time again. Their other commonality is a desire to airbrush or minimise anything Scottish, and a love of all things British. They are no more than regional North British lapdogs of the British Labour Party, and they will continue to sell Scotland down the river as they always have done. Good riddance to them.
4

Jimmy Le Pie,

02/08/2008 00:59:36
Any more word on the investigations into the alleged fraud, perpetrated in Glasgow East???

Where are the Fraud Squad???

Too busy investigating London New Labour Sleaze????

5

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 02/08/2008 00:59:47
Amazing results in the recent YouGov poll for the Telegraph.

Results for Westminster Election
Poll taken July 29-31, 2008
Scottish Results (175 responses)
(Seats Allocated according to the Electoral Calculus website in brackets)

SNP 38 (39)
Labour 24 (8)
Cons 20 (5)
LD 13 (7)
OTHER 5

Scotland also has the lowest undecided level of all the regions polled at 9%

Full results can be found at:
http://www.yougov.com/archives/pdf/DT31-Jul-2008website_results.pdf
6

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 02/08/2008 01:00:11
This represents the best results for Labour as any of the other potential leaders are even lower

As the poll does not breakdown the “Other” vote when polling other potential leaders for Labour, I have assigned 5% to OTHER PARTIES and the rest to the SNP.

If ED BALLS were Labour Leader

SNP 41 (48)
Labour 16 (0)
Cons 22 (3)
LD 16 (8)
OTHER 5

If ALAN JOHNSON were Labour Leader

SNP 39 (45)
Labour 18 (1)
Cons 22 (5)
LD 16 (8)
OTHER 5

If DAVID MILIBAND were Labour Leader

SNP 37 (39)
Labour 22 (8)
Cons 21 (5)
LD 15 (7)
OTHER 5



7

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 02/08/2008 01:00:44




If JACK STRAW were Labour Leader

SNP 37 (39)
Labour 24 (8)
Cons 18 (3)
LD 16 (9)
OTHER 5

If CHARLES CLARKE were Labour Leader

SNP 42 (47)
Labour 15 (0)
Cons 21 (3)
LD 17 (9)
OTHER 5

If TONY BLAIR returned as Labour Leader

SNP 36 (33)
Labour 26 (14)
Cons 21 (5)
LD 13 (7)
OTHER 5

8

Iainbroch,

02/08/2008 01:14:18
Kerr the favourite are the bookies taking the michael?
9

FrancesP,

02/08/2008 01:45:42
Mike Rumbles' manifesto is a breath of fresh air. While Ross Finnie and Tavish Scott mouth the customary vacuous platitudes about "reconnecting with voters" and "getting our message across more effectively", Rumbles instead produces a detailed plan that would, at a stroke, elevate the Lib Dems above the standard political mush and get them noticed. It would also be good for politics in general because it would give the electorate a clear-cut (and probably quite attractive) option to vote for that they are currently denied.

Why the Lib Dems would go for anyone but Rumbles is beyond me - as is the fact that clearly the weakest of the Labour leadership candidates (Iain Gray) somehow managed to pick up the most nominations. Still, 90% of Labour MPs nominated Gordon Brown for leader last year, so they've got form on these kind of catastrophic choices.
10

Vivas,

Edinburgh 02/08/2008 01:59:47
Old Ming is a personal friend of Toom Tabbard, Ming said as much on the box last week. Between them they will try to stitch up the respective Scottish leaderships with Gray and Scott as the respective winners.

Rumbles is the only canidate in either of the parties who has offered up a fresh and attractive vision. He'll be slapped down though with Tavish getting the push from above. Pity...Rumbles was great on Newsnight Scotland a few weeks ago when Wendy quit and SLAB were casting the blame elsewhere. Rumbles was having none of it as I recall. One of the few opposition politicians that I respect....
11

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 02/08/2008 02:17:44
An very good observation from Cochrane of the Telegram.

"Meanwhile, and in another pathetic example of Scottish Labour’s malaise at present, Lord Foulkes, one of their more prominent MSPs, has complained about ScotRail’s plans to paint their wagons with Saltire emblems.

This experienced politician and former minister — who should know better — reckons this is part of a dastardly SNP plot to hasten the advent of independence. What absolute rubbish.

The Saltire is Scotland’s flag — not the SNP’s — and if Lord Foulkes doesn’t know that he should remove himself from the frontline of national politics as gracefully as he can."

I feel so unclean, actually agreeing with Cochrane... but then again he probably feels unclean because I agree with him.

12

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02/08/2008 02:42:20
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Traquir , Alba,

02/08/2008 02:44:24
oops, got cut off

cont.

Saor Alba

P.S. I suspect AM2 may have this post (actually
the previous post now) removed,
free speech is not something these guys appear to
like :)
14

Boy Wonder,

02/08/2008 05:46:29
Who dares, wins.


15

Nikostratos,

02/08/2008 07:05:21
#11

In order to quieten the furore around this issue and to show no hidden agenda. why not place a small emblem of 'union' flag on each carriage door then surely who can complain?
16

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02/08/2008 07:18:41
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Bryce Curdy,

Lanarkshire 02/08/2008 07:24:11
How can this total dumpling be favourite?

So if he does win, and Labour were to win the next Scottish election (seems unlikely at the moment but four years is along time) then he would be first minister? It would be funny if it wasn't so scary.

I'm not a nationalist, but I would prefer independence to having Andy Kerr as first minister. He makes McConnell and Wendy Alexander look like heavyweights.
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02/08/2008 07:26:40
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02/08/2008 07:31:23
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Bryce Curdy,

02/08/2008 07:42:34
'Andy Kerr, First Minister of Scotland'

20 minutes later it still sounds totally ridiculous.
21

LEAL,

02/08/2008 08:02:13
Mike Rumbles wants home rule but wants to leave defence and foreign affairs to London.Can he give us a reason for leaving these responsibilities in the hands of Westminster?Is it because they have an exemplary record in conducting defence and foreign affairs in accordance with the wishes of the Scottish people?
22

donald,

glasgow 02/08/2008 08:04:52
Three legged race.

Oh Why did you make me Kerr.
23

MacGillicuddy,

02/08/2008 08:14:32
What's all this with "Scottish Labour" and "Scottish Labour Party" ?

There are NO such entities. There is the "Labour Party" and there is nothing remotely Scottish about it.
24

David MacVicar,

web 02/08/2008 08:41:45
Kerr "But, from this point on, it's about the future."

Doh! Just started and already comes out with a beauty!

Kerr: 1 policy + petty sentiment
Jamieson: No policy, very, very very, much sentiment.
Gray: Who cares? A yes man with many Grey areas.


Compare to Mike Rumbles:
Actually has policies and a clear direction in a leadership campaign. How unLabour!

However, the LD are now in the political wilderness - too little to late. Rumbled.

Back to The Scottish British Labour Group, because they are nothing else. There is No Scottish Labour.
Again, "There is no Scottish Labour. There is no such entity, just the London registered Labour Party, aka New British Labour.

These three Labour hopefuls, yet hopeless, are like the mythical Cerberus, 3 headed monster. 3 heads same body. A dying body. The SNP will eat this corrupt; incompetent non-entity Labour Group monster for breakfast. Wendy 'Brain the size of a Planet' Alexander was their last, best hope and she failed, totally.
25

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/08/2008 09:12:53
The bookies favourite for the leadership of the Labour Party in Scotland claims the day of reckoning is fast approaching for the First Minister?

A blind Unionist can see that the arrogant and insufferable Salmond utterly dominates Scottish politics
and I doubt very much if he will loose any sleep about the candidates brave claim!
26

pehman,

sussex 02/08/2008 09:19:30

Will any of them stand up for Scotland ? will any of them tell w/minster to hand back the £2 billion w/minster imposed as fines on the Scottish Parliment
27

GM,

02/08/2008 09:33:38
Although Kerr did present (for me anyway) the best agenda of all the candidates, it seems he is 'damaged goods' and will not eb able to shake off the NHS closures he attempted to push through against the wishes of everyone concerned (except the 'experts' he listened to who he is now blaming)
28

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 02/08/2008 09:44:12
Don't knock the three candidates. In a pool like Scottish Labour's they probably are the cream of the cream.
29

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 02/08/2008 09:46:53
An interesting analogy - looking at both the bookies and the three desperadoes, they change their 'stance' and their promises according to the money coming in.

There is no loyalty whatsover (nothing new there for Labour certainly) it's all about screwing the most money possible out of the system by exploiting the gullible.







30

pehman,

sussex 02/08/2008 10:01:47

20 Bryce,

Yeah I know what you mean. But,remember though that maggie himself said the mouth of the south would be the next 1st minister of Scotland !

And we all know he's never wrong, don't we
31

pehman,

02/08/2008 10:17:49

From the article,
Mr Kerr said if he won the leadership he would want to take greater direct control as leader of the Scottish Labour Party, not just the party in Holyrood.

In other words, he wants to impose his agenda on to the slab councillors and stop them doing deals with Scottish Government.
32

Darien,

Panama 02/08/2008 10:35:50
#9 and 10 - FibDums will soon be finished in Scotland, or haven't you/they noticed.
33

brownlie,

02/08/2008 10:37:43
I can only imagine that Kerr is the bookie's "favourite" because he placed a substantial bet on Labour winning the Glasgow East election and Rangers to win the UEFA Cup.
34

Darien,

Panama 02/08/2008 10:41:06
I hope it is Kerr. He is arguably the biggest balloon of the three, so the bookies maybe have it right, considering New Labour's propensity to shoot itself in the foot. Although wee Charlie would be a hoot for cringe entertainment value at FMQ and could be even more benefit to the Nats than Bendy.
35

Daveunderwater,

02/08/2008 10:53:31
# 4

Yet an other MI6 cover up, smells of whitewash
36

Daveunderwater,

02/08/2008 10:54:16
# 33

Biting carpet whilst laughing out loud.
37

Daveunderwater,

Salmond Not Prats 02/08/2008 10:56:00
So the Lib Dems come on side, Home Rule eh?
38

Daveunderwater,

02/08/2008 11:02:36
Alex Salmond is the SNP's best political operator, and the shrewdest politician in Scotland outside the crumbling Labour Party. He is the master of memorable phrases, a man who commands attention when he speaks, an expert at gladhanding and working the room, and a seasoned political street fighter.

If Labour appoint Andy Kerr as opposition leader, for the first time almost in living memory, the SNP will have a clear run at BRINGING IT ON!
39

Brian Hill,

02/08/2008 11:26:21
Without question Mike Rumbles' manifesto is the clearest and best thought our of any candidate, Liberal or Labour.

This is such a radical manifesto it will get voters to look at the Liberal party in a way they haven't done for decades.

With this manifesto Rumbles and Salmond are on consecutive pages of the same book, with Salmond on the page ahead. Point is, Rumbles' page may have to be read first. The big question is, will aunty London let Mike away with this manifesto or is it all just hot air?

One way or another would get Mike and the party a bit more recognition and certainly marks Mike out as someone who can see the bigger picture and plan within it.
40

Tynietiger,

02/08/2008 11:41:13
Doonhamer

Good letter in Herald to-day from Hamish Henderson.

Anent Lord Foulkes's comments on Radio Scotland (August 1) regarding the makeover of ScotRail carriages using the Saltire and his lordship's nightmare of imagined creeping Scottish Nationalism, is this the best the Labour Party in Scotland can come up with?
I feel that Robert Burns summed up Lord George well when he said:
Ye see yon birkie ca'd a lord,
Wha struts and stares an a that;
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a that.
For a that an a that,
His ribband, star, an a that,
The man o independent mind
He looks and laughs at a that.
41

Tarchin,

Lothian 02/08/2008 11:47:26
#38
I would not disagree with the first sentence of your post. Perhaps you could remind me of some of the memorable phrases; abolish the community charge and replace it with LIT; more police on the streets; reduction in class sizes are ones that come to mind.
After the Glasgow East by-election young SNP activists were praised for their enthusiastic support and hard work during the election yet any of these young adults aged between 18 and 21 could prohibited from buying a bottle of wine to take to a party. Perhaps such people can work for the SNP but cannot be trusted to drink responsibly.
42

subrosa,

02/08/2008 12:05:32
Another union dividend:
http://tiny.cc/dWX4R
43

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02/08/2008 14:06:39
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Red Etin,

02/08/2008 15:49:24
#23 MacGillicuddy,

"Scottish Labour Party"

Of course their is a Scottish Labour Party. To join, just select SCOTLAND as the country in the drop-down menu on the Labour website!

https://secure2.labour.org.uk/join


Try it and see,
HeeHeeHee
45

Red Etin,

02/08/2008 15:50:47
#44

You'll find SCOTLAND between Saudi Arabia and Senegal.

HeeHeeHee
46

MacGillicuddy,

02/08/2008 15:54:43
#44, 45

My point exactly. In the interests of research I even polluted my screen with the British National Liebour Partie muck.
47

MacGillicuddy,

02/08/2008 15:56:24
#44, 45

My point exactly. In the interests of research I even polluted my screen with the British National Liebour Partie muck.
48

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02/08/2008 16:53:50
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Red Etin,

02/08/2008 17:07:10
#47 MacGillicuddy

I thought we had pointed it out so many times on these pages that the moron MSM journos would stop using "Scottish Labour Party". I submitted a complaint to BBC too.

As Wendy said some months back, there is only one Labour Party and Gordon Brown is its leader. She should ken!
50

Red Etin,

02/08/2008 17:18:42

#40 Tynietiger

Maybe Lord Foulkes of Oswestry, Shropshire might not see the irony of his position, especially if he has been: "attending a whisky party "as befits an MP concerned with the blending industry"."
51

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 02/08/2008 17:22:34
Are we really so naive to believe a word that flows from the gubs off these liars and hypocrites?

Since 1997, Blair and Brown's sleazy New Labour Party
has turned its back on those who voted for them and concentrated on making the wealthy more richer at the expense of ordinary people.

When this obnoxious sleazy party are finally removed; its leading lights will all retire as millionaires and leave behind hundreds of thousands of pauperised former voters!

Wait and see !
52

Nikostratos,

02/08/2008 18:15:08
#49 Traquir

Be a 'Man' and you would know what is the right thing to do.
53

Nikostratos,

02/08/2008 18:16:38
#52

can you point out the political party who isn't doing the same..then i would vote for them.......
54

Earman,

Dumfries 02/08/2008 19:02:35
#54

I think that it would be fair to say that even the holder of an Honours Degree in Gullibility, obtained at "Politicians Can Do No Wrong" University might have difficulty in identifying that particular political party.

However, having said that, it would appear fairly obvious that any party with only one "Master" to answer to would, by definition, have a distinct advantage over those who have no choice but to have their eyes on two quite different "balls" simultaneously.

Ergo, it would follow that the SNP - answerable ONLY to the Scottish people and no-one else - would be at the top of any list, (other than that compiled by the proverbial myopic bat), formed in response to your plea, Nikostratos.
55

Nikostratos,

02/08/2008 19:58:08
#55

somebody somewhere in the snp is now behaving as corruptly as any politician ever born. Eventually they will be exposed they always are.............all we have to do is wait...tick..tick..tick
56

AM2,

Scotland,UK 02/08/2008 20:06:46
Traquir

Your desperation to discredit me is leading you to misrepresent the truth.

I don't filter/pre-approve blog comments, and I hope not to have to. Snips of copyright articles are fair game but rather than "some information", as you claim, you actually pasted about ten paragraphs from yesterday's piece about train liveries.

So I said, at the end of my reply to you:

"You're very welcome to comment on the blog but next time please don't paste huge sections of copyright material, as I have no facility to edit your post. I can only let it stand or delete it completely."

If you don't want your misrepresentation of me to be exposed, please desist.
57

AM2,

Scotland,UK 02/08/2008 20:12:02
#43 An Greumach Mor
#49 Traquir

Weak. The registrar has my information, as per the agreement. I've checked.
58

Earman,

Dumfries 02/08/2008 20:16:43
#56

Given that no political party in any country in anyone's imagination contains anything other than human beings, I can't take strenuous issue with that assertation, Nikostratos. We can but hope for the best.

However, I can't help thinking that my time, if not yours, just might be spent in a more gainful manner than "tick..tick..tick".

Don't you think that we should be perhaps be a little more positive? I mean, I'm sure that you would agree that thought and consideration for the very future of Scotland and all who call it "home" might be more worthwhile, no?
59

democracy,

Scottish Borders 02/08/2008 21:01:43
#34 Darien,Panama says, Kerr is the biggest balloon and I would dispute that, I think Iain Gray is their biggest balloon, but apparently many now feel Cathy Jamieson is the biggest balloon. It appears to be an ever ending shin dig within the Scottish New Labour party with so many balloons!!
60

Eve,

Scotland 02/08/2008 21:05:34
Sound as if form this artlclethat Kerr thinks that if he leads the Labour party then Samlond and the SNP will step a side and let him and the Labour party be first minster and goverment.

Or may be Kerr thinks he has some sort of super hero (or super villain)power which means he can push throw randomem pices of legislation.

That fact of the matter is that no one person can force throw any legislation because the goverment needs a majority to vote of it,even if it happens through large number of MSP substaining from voting.

BUT the substaining from voting appears to be a Labour Lib dem thing.
61

Eve,

Scotland 02/08/2008 21:09:15
#60 democracy: Would that be red or blue balloons?
62

democracy,

Scottish Borders 02/08/2008 21:27:15
#62 Eve, red or blue balloons? I reckon that is one of the most difficult questions I have ever been asked!!
63

Daveunderwater,

02/08/2008 21:59:21
# 51

When I read your comments why did I think of curtains burning in a hotel in Edinburgh?
64

Traquir , Alba,

02/08/2008 22:12:36
57 AM2, Scotland

"Traquir

Your desperation to discredit me is leading you to misrepresent the truth."

No need to try and discredit you, you do more than
a good enough job yourself :)
I also look forward to your assurance
that you will no longer be pasting
"huge sections of copyright material" on these
blogs nor your website.

I wonder who had my posts removed ?

Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic
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02/08/2008 22:22:21
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
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Oldnat,

02/08/2008 23:09:18
#39 Brian Hill

Oh, that there was still a Scottish Liberal Party to provide a distinctive voice for the highlands and Borders. But all we have are the Lib-Dems, who happily adopted the centralist philosphy of Labour in order to crawl into bed with them. Spitting Image had the relationship right on!

 

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