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Published Date: 07 March 2009
GORDON Brown yesterday announced his support for sweeping new powers for the Scottish Parliament, saying he would endorse any major changes that improved the lives of Scots and strengthened the Union.
The Prime Minister used a speech to the Scottish Labour conference in Dundee to make it clear he expected to give his full backing to the recommendations of the Calman Commission into the devolution settlement.

"If there are measures in this report which help Scots and strengthen the Union, I will support them," he declared.

His decision to give such enthusiastic backing to the Calman Commission before it has even reported represents a major change in attitude in No 10.

The Prime Minister was cautious when the commission was set up, calling it a review and suggesting it might lead to powers being transferred back to Westminster from Holyrood.

But, in the wake of the Scottish Labour Party's submission to the commission, which included a call for borrowing powers for the Scottish Parliament, Mr Brown has now, for the first time, given his clear backing, not just to the commission but to its recommendations as well.

Sir Kenneth Calman is not due to report until later this year. He is expected to produce a range of suggestions, ranging from the transfer to Holyrood of individual responsibilities such as firearms or drugs to the endorsement of a wholesale revision of the way Scotland is funded. He may endorse the idea of assigning tax revenues or back borrowing powers for the parliament, either of which would mean significant changes for the way Holyrood operates.

Aware political and public opinion has moved towards more powers for the parliament, Mr Brown said: "There may be things we can do to enhance the successful devolution settlement we introduced in 1999."

But he was adamant that there was a huge difference between strengthening devolution and moving towards independence.

The Prime Minister also used his 22-minute speech to link the economic crisis and the worldwide banking collapse with the Nationalist movement, arguing an independent Scotland would never have managed to rescue the country's two major banks.

He said: "When Scottish banks collapsed, the whole of the United Kingdom came together to stand by our banking system to prevent the banks from going under altogether, with an investment bigger than the Scottish administration's entire budget and giving guarantees that no country the size of Scotland could ever have been able to give.

"You cannot retreat into a separatist dogma, you cannot separate yourself off and opt out of the world. You solve a global problem, not by separatist solutions but by us all working together."

Mr Brown elaborated on his four-point plan, which, he believes, could make sure the world never again has to suffer from a global banking crisis.

Setting out his blueprint to change the whole culture of banking all over the world, he said that, because banks were so international, government action had to be international too.

He called for global action to crack down on tax havens, end the short-term bonus culture, regulate the entire financial system, not just individual firms, and build a better framework of international regulation.

Mr Brown also invoked the spirit of the miners' strike in an attempt to persuade Labour activists they could get through the current economic crisis showing the same solidarity and sense of community that had seen them through the tough days of the early 1980s.

He said: "I grew up in Kirkcaldy, a mining area, that, like all mining areas, struggled with the closure of the pits. And, as those brave men left their jobs on the final day, I learnt a lesson that stays with me to this day: that struggle didn't bring forth selfishness – it summoned up solidarity and showed that deep in the Scottish character is the sense that we are each and all our brother and sister's keeper."



Analysis: Suddenly, that commission really does matter

Hamish Macdonell

GORDON Brown is hardly the most spontaneous of politicians. Indeed, it has taken him more than a year to come round to the idea of the Calman Commission.

When it was set up by Wendy Alexander, then his protégé, last year, the Prime Minister was standoffish, at best. He called it a "review", rather than a commission, and suggested it might provide a way of clawing powers back from Holyrood. It was clear he was uncomfortable with the idea of strengthening the powers of the Scottish Parliament, and while he allowed Ms Alexander the space to develop the commission, it always appeared as if he would treat its recommendations with intense suspicion.

Yesterday's speech marked a remarkable turnaround in Mr Brown's approach to Calman. Not only did he endorse the commission and say there might be ways of enhancing the devolution settlement, he went further and said he would back its recommendations.

However, not able to escape his cautious instincts, he added the caveat that he would back any recommendations that strengthened the Union and improved the lives of Scots.

This allows him a get-out if he doesn't like what Calman suggests, but it is not much of a get-out. By enthusing about the commission and its eventual recommendations, Mr Brown has given the body a credibility it has never had before.

It was set up as little more than a talking shop for the three main unionist parties and it needed official Downing Street endorsement to elevate it into a proper, influential position. Mr Brown has given it just that.

Calman's recommendations will live or die by the will of No 10. Any changes to the powers of the Scottish Parliament, particularly alterations to the way the Scottish Government is funded, need to be achieved through Westminster legislation.

Yesterday, the Prime Minister appeared to give his backing to that legislation, which means changes to the way the Scottish Parliament operates are virtually guaranteed. It is no coincidence that Mr Brown's endorsement came only days after Iain Gray, the Scottish Labour leader, tabled his party's formal submission to the Calman Commission.

So Mr Brown's speech represents not only the official endorsement of the Calman Commission, it also shows Mr Gray has the total support of Downing Street – which, if nothing else, should make him feel much more confident.

The Calman Commission has mooched around in the background of Scottish politics for the past year without really lighting up the landscape. It didn't appear as if it was going to achieve very much. After yesterday's developments, however, that whole impression is likely to alter.

The process of changing the devolution settlement may indeed have begun.



LABOUR DIARY

Let's drink to that


IT'S good to see Scottish Labour doing its bit in the crusade to crack down on alcohol.

Anybody stopping for a chat at the main Labour Party stand in the conference hall was offered a free glass of wine from 9:30am on the very first morning. Officials stressed the offered booze was politically correct – Fair Trade Pinot Grigio.

Three times a loser

THERE was something of a spread-bet fever when Gordon Brown stood up to speak.

The market was set at three mentions of his "good friend" Barack Obama but Mr Brown surpassed himself, and expectations, by including five in his short speech.

Spinners in a spin

LABOUR'S media machine seems to be caught in a spin cycle.

Rami Okasha, who works for the Scottish Labour Party, Simon Pia and Andrew McFadyen are all in Dundee with none apparently knowing what the other is doing. A united message? Hardly.

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RufusT-Firefly,

06/03/2009 23:55:35
The ever adaptable Gordon Brown keeping one step ahead of the SNP as ever.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 07/03/2009 00:05:29
Don't bother Gordon it's all passed you by. You are yesterday's man the electorate just have'nt had the opportunity to show you yet!
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 07/03/2009 00:09:56
Brown won't be in charge long enough to implement anything.
Dead man walking....roll on the Westminster election !

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person who's right,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 00:10:38
I was in the Caird Hall for Brown's speech yesterday - a few observations:

- The place was deserted. A few full rows down the front but the vast majority of the place was empty - looked like Dens Park on for a Forfarshire Cup tie..! You do get the feeling that Labour is a dying party in Scotland. The punters were mainly old men, ex Trade Union types. When they're gone, who's going to vote Labour?

- Brown still gives the impression of running scared of Alex Salmond. This was a big speech, just after having addressed both houses of the US Congress. Yet the only person who seems 'fixated' by anything is a Mr G Brown and his sidekick Murphy, who seem to have nothing else to talk about than that Bad Mr Salmond.

- He is clearly on his way out. At the conference I heard several rank and file members talking openly about succession planning, losing the next election and so on.
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tartan army 2222,

07/03/2009 00:13:58
The Herald gives a somewhat different view of how Brown's speech went down amongst the Labour 'faithful'. A mere two standing ovations - one when he entered and one when he left.

Oh and Wufus, he better hope he is adaptable, because he'll be adapting to a new job in the near future.
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07/03/2009 00:14:00
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:14:15
What option did he have. The cause of a stroke in his head would be dissolution of the union. He'd be stuffed politically.

Would Labourites want him as head of the SLP, if they revive? Imagine Broon in charge of Holyrood!
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:17:25
Perhaps Traquir, Tavish has swayed his judgement. Those Lib Dems are damned persuasive!
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awantapassport,

US of GB 07/03/2009 00:18:26
Federalism noo!!!
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07/03/2009 00:18:59
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 07/03/2009 00:20:15
"GORDON Brown yesterday announced his support for sweeping new powers for the Scottish Parliament, saying he would endorse any major changes that improved the lives of Scots and strengthened the Union."

Translated, this means he will give with one hand and take away with the other. Watch out for the control over the permission for the transport of Nuclear material, and planning permission for Nuclear Power plants to be REMOVED from Holyrood.

This is what Maggie Brown means by strengthening the Union - building Nuclear Plants in Scotland - because he knows he can't get away with it so easily in England.
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07/03/2009 00:22:04
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/03/2009 00:22:55

'"If there are measures in this report which help Scots and strengthen the Union, I will support them," he declared.'

The only way to help Scots and strengthen the union is to make Scots emigrate. Clearance.

He knows it and I know it.

Union only survives by keeping Scots down.
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07/03/2009 00:25:09
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 07/03/2009 00:25:57
#6
Quite right, to say that RBS and the HALIFAX Bank of Scotland are SCOTTISH banks is an atrocious lie.

But what do you expect. He comes to Scotland, pats his Labour lap-dogs on the head, and tells the people of Scotland how good he has been to them, and how Scotland is stronger because of the union.
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ochone,

Sauchie, clack's 07/03/2009 00:25:57
there's that word again, 'if', and who will be the judge, Gordon by any chance.

I would advise everybody not to hold their breath waiting, if their is anything, we will be told it's for the good of Scotland and the u.k. even if it is not in Scotlands interests at all.

I think that we had better keep a close eye on anything to do with nuclear energy or planning.
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:28:20
14 For Scotlands Future.

You forgot Trident!
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 07/03/2009 00:29:02
BTW, did Gordon go back to his old hairstyle for this visit?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

07/03/2009 00:29:02
Ah - Some Powers for the Scots to manage their own affairs . . . but not all then eh?
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 00:29:39
More empty rhetoric from the empty rhetoric party. All spin and false, reptilian smiles, (Strangely Brown's rictus grin has to be seen to be believed, creepy is too mild a word).

Again, only one apologista appears to briefly make a fatuous comment, get the browning on his nose refreshed and naff-off.

Usually, when a story is anti-Scotland/SNP the apologists for the rotten union are out proclaiming their greatness and the weakness of the SNP/Scotland. Articles that show the true state of the nation and Strangely-Brown's disasterous position are generally avoided by them as they know they will get rogered if they appear. So, where are they? This, on the face of it, is a pro Gudrun Broon-Pants rant but no unionists exept a muted Wufus. Must mean they know it's cr-@p and will be laughed off the forum if they post their pro-Gudrun drivel.

Bwing it on!

Alba gu brath!
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Alec M,

Falkirk 07/03/2009 00:29:45
#5 "person who's right" I watched a bit of him on TV. He said something about "the SNP is fixated by 'Independence'"

Gosh!!! That is the assessment that only a PhD, who studied a bit of Labour (Red Clydeside)history (when his son was available to coach him) could make.

Thanks for your comments about the audience. As usual, the TV cameras gave a distorted view of the eager multitude hanging on his every word. Apparently, when addressing the US Congress, so few entitled to do so turned up that interns and the public were bussed in to fill the gaps!
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07/03/2009 00:29:47
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:30:10
23 Canes Pugnaces. They are tories... too close to the bone for Broon.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

07/03/2009 00:32:31
Scottish Jobs for European People - let’s not practis isolationism eh ? why pay a scotsman - when you can have two lithuanians who would kill to earn a fraction of the money in Scotland eh?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/03/2009 00:32:37
"You cannot retreat into a separatist dogma, you cannot separate yourself off and opt out of the world. You solve a global problem, not by separatist solutions but by us all working together."

18, Traquir. Well posted - forgot about that quote.

And under the union Scotland is separated from the rest of the world.

After the Falkirk school history story it should be pointed out that Wallace reopened direct contact and trade between Scotland and Europe after the Battle of Stirling.

Old Shortass had made us seperatists in the 13th century. Plus ca change there then.
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Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 07/03/2009 00:33:29
Gordon Brown - Anti - Scottish PM worst in British history. Scottish banks collapse under UK watch, FACT
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:33:55
Billiam, surely the people are beginning to see through the spin? The cloak of unionism is slipping.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/03/2009 00:34:57
This will sign the end of Brown in England. The press will leap on him for being favourable to Scotland at the cost of the poor downtrodden English.

Just wait till the likes of Simon Heffer gets a hold of it.



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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 07/03/2009 00:35:08
Scotland has no separate banking system. All the banks in the UK work under the same UK regulations (or lack thereof). Barclay's and RBS both work under the same UK regulations.

To say that the UK Westminster Government "stepped in" to bail out Scottish banks is a blatant lie.

But there again, this is what Scotland now expects from Labour, especially from the "Scots" among them.
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:38:49
Face facts Traquir, they're not used to opposition in Scotland.
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awantapassport,

Sleepy Brighton 07/03/2009 00:40:28
Canes Pugnaces. That's all old news and tomorrows political ammunition.
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awantapassport,

mmmmm 07/03/2009 00:42:17
39... by the way, to answer your question. No.
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awantapassport,

awoken 07/03/2009 00:43:53
42 Labour lies. Is that a fact? If so, how do you know?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/03/2009 00:44:11
Does Hamish realise that he's turned this article into a dark satire?
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 00:44:42
awantapassport, Surely they are indeed beginning to see the reality behind the false smoke amd mirrors. The Herald story about the protesting postal workers being moved speaks volumes about the true, stalinist, totalitarian nature of the NuLiebore Sleaze, Corruption and Trough Snuffling Party. They are showing their true colours and the people will finally have the opportunity to pass judgement on them. Needless to say they will be found wanting.

P.S. What will Gudrun do when he is retired? Surely no-one would want to employ a disgraced leech like him. I'm amazed Phony Bliar is doing so well financially.

Saor Alba

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lulach mac gille coemgain,

07/03/2009 00:45:10
We’re Doomed Captain Manwering! Doomed!

. . . Gordo Broon (GB) Fluck right off!
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 00:46:51
The answer is to vote SNP and get what you want from London.Its the only way if you want us to get what Scotland needs.Where did bring it on go?Labour are in melt down and doing more twists and turns than come dancing.Call the SNP the Northern Brittish Party and Brown will join up tomorrow.
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awantapassport,

brighton early 07/03/2009 00:46:53
Billiam. I can't remember the phrase, but it's something about cornered dogs!
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 07/03/2009 00:47:15
#22
I really am waiting for Anti-nuclear protests (WMD's or Power Plants) to be labelled "not in the country/union's interest" and the people involved to be treated as terrorists.

If they can use anti-terrorist laws to hit Iceland, dead easy to use against protesters.

Maggie Brown has shown his ruthlessness with dissenters in his own party. Looks at the Herald's report on those postal workers being turfed out. Basically, anyone who publicly protests against him or his governance will be considered terrorists.
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07/03/2009 00:51:44
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 00:53:36
50. There's some kind of anniversary for the Scargill - Thatcher [washes mouth out] miners confrontation. Perhaps the youth will learn from their ancestors dissent in past. That will of course have no relevance if History is dropped from the Scots education system.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 00:58:34
#51 "the FSA who failed spectacularly in their regulatory responsibilities to oversee the banks."
Or, if you want to go down the paranoid path, they worked perfectly to facilitate a global meltdown to allow the men behind the curtain, (Rosthchild, Rockefeller, etc.), to further tighten their grip on the world economy and move a step closer to the New World Order. (see 'Ring of Power' on YouTube, some drivel but worth watching.)

An independent Scotland will still be in thrall to the international money men and the crown will still own vast tracts of Scotland, so will we ever be free? We can but try.

Saor Alba
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awantapassport,

Total Juan Kerr 07/03/2009 01:03:14
Billiam... I appreciate the sentiment of your first paragraph, though slightly too conspiratory fur ma taste...

The second paragraph is spot on however.
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Alec M,

Falkirk 07/03/2009 01:03:30
Just noticed the photy at the top of this page.

Wasn't the one-eyed one NOT going to use his family for political purposes?

As Ruffled T-Bummphluph might put it: Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha (ad nauseam)
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:05:43
57 Alec. I'm sure she was spotted somewhere in Fife a few weeks afore the placy bags went adrift!
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 07/03/2009 01:16:17
why did they not bus up some support from durham
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:19:51
Labour Lies. You haven't answered my question(s) at 44. I'm intrigued!!!
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

07/03/2009 01:21:18
Such a nice caption to the pic and deserved of a repeat here tonite

awwww . . .

Gordon Brown and his wife, Sarah, are all smiles as they bask in the applause of delegates after she whacks him off following the PM’s 22-minute speech to the Scottish Labour Party conference in Dundee yesterday Picture: Jane Barlow
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awantapassport,

wants facts... 07/03/2009 01:22:12
#61 Labour Lies. "and… Gordon Brown and the ‘Scottish’ Labour Party could only muster under 500 people in a hall that holds 3,000 to their conference." ? Well!!!
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 01:23:20
Awanta, I know what you mean but it would explain his reasonably warm reception in the U.S. after all the blaming he did. They would be pals if he was following a plan to cause a depression like the thirties when the money men grabbed up the spoils as businesses and homes went for a song.

The next NuLiebore conference is already booked and prepared. They are meeting in a phone box in Buchanan Street next year.

Saor Alba
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:23:40
were you there?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

07/03/2009 01:24:34
The Prime Minister used a speech to the Scottish Labour conference in Dundee to make it clear he expected to give his full backing to the recommendations of the Calman Commission into the devolution settlement.

Another failed decision then eh ?
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:25:22
Billiam. Apparently (you google), Salmond had a more positive State side press.
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:26:27
then again, he only met the burd that's sorting out the Cold War!!
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awantapassport,

warmer than yous 07/03/2009 01:28:24
I'm sure president Obama is thinking well beyond the next UK ellection.
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:31:51
I'm gonna shut up and do something more immediately constructive... I don't want to be accused of obssesivenes!!! : )
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Alec M,

Falkirk 07/03/2009 01:34:40
69 Then again, why waste time fishing for a broon troot when you could catch a salmon(d)!

(Apologies to trout everywhere. By the way, Tammy, how's your granny?)
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awantapassport,

fisherman extrodinaire 07/03/2009 01:42:24
72. Al.. If a caught you, a'd chuck ye back. yer a minnow.
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 07/03/2009 01:44:05
How many times he'd mention Obama. I would have liked to run a book on how many times he said GLOBAL. He wants to stop tax havens. Funny how 90% of them are in ex and present commonwealth countries. Shouldn't be too hard, Gordon.
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awantapassport,

speaks with forked tongue 07/03/2009 01:44:13
yer a (s)prat!
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:46:08
What's the phrase Dark Lochanger... remove the scelf.

This country (UK) is riddled with tax loopholes for those in the know.
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:46:50
skelf - is that Nordic?
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awantapassport,

07/03/2009 01:48:50
As long as 500 of us remain (including 100 postal workers) we will never submit to English rule.
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Brian Hill,

07/03/2009 01:57:31
Gordon went out of his way to mention the Great British State stepping in to help the Scottish banks whilst forgetting the help the GBS is giving to English Banks Lloyds, Barclays and now HSBC
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Vaward,

07/03/2009 02:17:07
Traquir , Alba: "blissful ignorance of the real world around them."

Oh the irony.

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Edward,

07/03/2009 02:19:22
I would urge all who missed the Gaelic documentary last night on BBC Alba, entitled 'Diomhair' (Secrets) to watch it online http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g8hg3
on the BBC iPlayer
The story of how successive Labour and Conservative governments up until the 1970s worked behind the scenes to discredit the Home Rule movement and the SNP - as revealed through once secret papers now available from official archives.

I personally found it shocking, how succesivegovernments over the last 50 odd years have litteraly abused power to treat Scotland as a second class state and conspired to rob Scotland of the Oil revenue.A revenue that official records kept secret admited that if Independent,Scotland would be so rich that overseas banks would be falling over thmselves to invest. The money wasdeniedand went to pay for investments in theSouth East of England, such as the M25 and the Channel Tunnel
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subrosa,

07/03/2009 03:51:22
# 82

Thank you for the link Edward. Watching it right now.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 05:21:23
if you read the bit below by hamish it appears that he is saying that broon told gray what to submit to calman and this is how gray knows it will be approved.

I have to ask when will the referendum for changes to the scotland act occurr? They had to have a referendum to set up the scottish parliament didnt they? The people of scotland voted to have a scottish parliament that varied tax raising powers by 3p in the pound. Broon cannot now say that no other referendum is needed.
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"Calman's recommendations will live or die by the will of No 10. Any changes to the powers of the Scottish Parliament, particularly alterations to the way the Scottish Government is funded, need to be achieved through Westminster legislation.

Yesterday, the Prime Minister appeared to give his backing to that legislation, which means changes to the way the Scottish Parliament operates are virtually guaranteed. It is no coincidence that Mr Brown's endorsement came only days after Iain Gray, the Scottish Labour leader, tabled his party's formal submission to the Calman Commission.

So Mr Brown's speech represents not only the official endorsement of the Calman Commission, it also shows Mr Gray has the total support of Downing Street – which, if nothing else, should make him feel much more confident."
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Thrawn,

UK 07/03/2009 06:45:22
What won't Labour promise to hold onto their core vote in the traditional Labour heartlands?
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 07/03/2009 07:23:05
BROWN: "You cannot retreat into a separatist dogma, you cannot separate yourself off and opt out of the world. You solve a global problem, not by separatist solutions but by us all working together."

This is a deliberate false bracketing of 'separatist' (Brown's derogatory word for the independence of his own country) with opting out of the world.

Scotland has always been internationalist in its instincts. It wants to be free of the dead hand of the Union precisely because that will allow it to play its proper role as a small, independent country within Europe and globally.

Brown's deliberate implications in his speech are a lie, a lie designed to hold together his failing government and the increasingly dysfunctional UK. No amount of fawning to America and posturing in international forums will prevent Labour and Brown being voted out of office at the general election. He will be off to a directorship in an American bank soon, and lucrative lecture tours across the USA, following the example set for him by Blair.

I urge voter in English constituencies not to vote Labour, because another Labour administration is not in their country's interests, anymore than it is in Scotland's interests. Scotland will accept his blatant bribe of more powers to the Scottish government, because it is another step towards Scotland's independence.

England should reject him because such an increase of powers - welcome to Scotland and the SNP - increases the inequality for them that is epitomised by the West Lothian Question. Brown will do whatever he can to maintain his Scottish power base. He is unelectable in an independent England.


http://moridura.blogspot.com
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07/03/2009 07:25:30
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 07/03/2009 07:25:54
"Brown elaborated on his four-point plan, which, he believes, could make sure the world never again has to suffer from a global banking crisis." Far from being the Saviour of the World, this lunatic leader of ZANU Labour is about to follow Mad Bob Mugabe's Economic Plan and start churning out £100 notes by the trillion. When are we going to be rid of this crazy, adolescent wrecker?
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donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 07/03/2009 07:35:49
Delegates have to be paid to attend Labour Conferences. SNP delegates pay all expenses out of their own pockets.

The daft Padraig Posts complain of Labour cuts, yet pay their dues to London Labour without as much as a blush, or apology to their members.

Lord Mandleson may have collected some Green custard but the Tame Union officials and their Labour politica levy deserve a tartan trifle and to be chucked out by their long suffering members.
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spiderman,

argyll 07/03/2009 07:37:40
And why did Labour appoint a cancer specialist to recommend about Scotland's future constitution? Crazy!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 07:50:11
So Labour have rejected the referendum bill and support the Calman Commission before either document has been presented. Well, that's todays position anyway. I wonder what tomorrow's will be. They are like a giant pair of union jack knickers flapping around on a washing line, you never know what way they'll be facing one minute to the next.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 07/03/2009 07:51:49
We Liberals call it Home Rule, others will call it Super Devolution. What it definately isn't is so-called independence.

At last the other UK parties are engaging in the debate around Calman for enhanced powers, not only for Scotland but also for Wales and the rest of the regions of the UK.

We LibDems might not get the plaudits we oft deserve and we know we certainly don't win every battle, but believe me our ideas will eventually win the political war!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 07:52:37
Labour lost 2,000 members last year, they are (I think, I am sure Grahamski can correct me if I am wrong) below the 15,000 mark.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 07:55:11
94 What we are seeing is Labour and the Libs desperately trying to head the SNP off at the pass. Remember devolution was supposed to kill independence, and so is devolution max. It won't, but it gives us an amusing spectacle to watch while we are waiting for the inevitable, so do carry on.
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 07:58:44
94 Liberal for life

Yes, indeed, your ideas are so effective and engaging that you are probably preparing for government in your constituency as we speak, if your controllers in the Labour party on whose shirt-tails you hang, let you.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 08:05:58
52 Sam the bam ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 07/03/2009 08:12:49
#94

By any definition of the words 'liberal' and 'democrat', the LibDems are illiberal and undemocratic in their behaviour in the Scottish Parliament.

They supported a Labour for eight years in the full knowledge that they were propping up a party that had propagated the enormity of the Iraq war, which the LibDems were against, and a party that was committed to nuclear power and nuclear weapons, which the LibDems were against.

They have now refused to enter into a coalition with a party, the SNP, which is opposed to the Iraq war and to nuclear weapons of mass destruction and the basing of these weapons on Scottish soil.

They have joined Labour and the Tories in opposing the right of the Scottish people to a free choice of whether to remain in the Union or not when there is a clear majority in the Scottish nation for such a referendum to take place, and a clear majority among their own party in favour of it.

They have propped up a Labour administration for eight years and now have joined with them in opposition to the elected government of Scotland.

The LibDems are neither liberal nor democratic, and profoundly hypocritical. They are narrow, blinkered unionists who are utterly irrelevant to the future of Scotland.

http://moridura.blogspot.com
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 08:48:08
#94

Wee liberals can call it home rule, super devolution or green custard if they like, because no-one here is listening.
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Faux Cul,

07/03/2009 08:52:27
Meanwhiles

The Herald is reporting that the Caird Hall was ~17% full i.e. only 500 delegates, the front two rows of which were Postal Workers who were moved into the metamorphical long grass before Gorgonovitch spoke.

He received 2 just two standing ovations, one when he came off and the other, louder when he went off. None during the speech.

He is a dead man walking and even his rank and file in Scotland know this.

The people who dont include "bought" elements of the press and media, the snout pig troughers themselves who feed off his parliamentary largesse and well that is it.

The question is not if will be disappear into shamed obscurity but when and the sooner the better for us all.
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Marian,

07/03/2009 08:59:45
Scots should be very beware of headlines like this for Brown is the kind of guy that you should check if your watch is still there after shaking hands with him.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 09:07:12
104 Faux Cul,07/03/2009 08:52:27

Next year they have booked the famous phone box in Pennan for their conference.
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john z,

edinburgh 07/03/2009 09:17:46
The key point is 'and strengthens the union'. We all knew this is Exactly what Calman is for.

What a piece of traiterous sh*t Brown is.

Labour - happy to let London tell Scotland what is best.
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jdships,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 09:24:21
1 RufusT-Firefly,

And it's clear for all to see what that "adaptability " has done for the UK - brought it to its knees.
Pledges like he made yestwerday mean nothing given his track record !!
Soon will be a forgotten man
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Faux Cul,

07/03/2009 09:46:20
106
british and proud,
07/03/2009 09:00:42

God try but logically speaking your rant would better and more appropriately addresses at Westminster.

Now ther you have a bigger and more politically irrelevant bunch of useless pig troughers who real drain on the public purse has more to do with toxic oversight of Westinster than their bloated salary and expense Giros.

Faux Cul!
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 07/03/2009 09:47:32
Another Brown U-turn to save face. But methinks it's all too late.
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getinnnn,

Scotland 07/03/2009 09:48:04
Gordon Brown wants to strengthen the antiallthingsourselves flipn sht union and to diminish Our status as an Individual Independent Nation: The man's a treacherous brown-nose cnt! This world financial crisis is all designed, I reckon, and soon they will be trying to shove a one world piece of crp down our throats. It is a Scots's duty to stay a Scot: We have fought and died for it in the past...but there are all these total gobshtes in it that seem to rather britain than their Own Country Scotland.
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hereward the awake,

England 07/03/2009 09:48:12
More powers for Scotland,none for England(at least those areas that have an English majority).It worries
me what this person may have planned with the help of
his quisling "nodding dogs"on his back benches for us
south of the border.
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Faux Cul,

07/03/2009 09:48:25
107 Bully wee Alba

I respectfully suggest a public lavatory on Clapham Common may be more apposite
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/03/2009 09:48:37
"If there are measures in this report which help Scots and strengthen the Union, I will support them," he declared.

Note the qualification. Whatever Calman comes up with will be judged by Brown and the parts that do not in his estimation measure up will be red-penned. This deceitful, treacherous approach to anything he does has been rumbled and he might as well get ready for his glass case in a museum. One with a soundtrack that bleats on about "my good friend Barack Obama", who looks as if he's heading the same way as there really was just one Jesus Christ!
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 07/03/2009 09:53:27
Of course. the Scottish parliament has got to be encouraged to evolve (wihout the "d") until it catches up with the aspirations of the majority of the Scottish population. That should go without saying in a democratic country but reassurances from those that hold the actual reins, are useful.

However, it is plain stupid (with an "i" - and no green custard) to try to justify it as a strategy to strengthen the Union. It clearly won't do that. It will add fuel to the ever increasing envy that is being displayed by English broadcasters and the wide cross-section of the English population that relies on the BBC for information.

Like it or not, complete separatism from the rest of the UK can never be a realistic option. Scotland would always continue to be affected by the actions of the Rest-of-the-UK parliament whether in economic, foreign, military or even domestic policies. The geography is a simple fact of life.

There is one step that will put the Scottish parliament in its proper place on the UK stage and that is to devolve powers, equal to those of Holyrood, to an English parliament and to make each responsible for all tax collecting in their respective countries. (At the same time, the authority of the Welsh and NI assemblies should also be brought into line). At a stroke, this would remove the "greener over the fence" mentality that is so endemic on both sides of the Scotland/England border.

As matters stand, "England" is no more than the rump of the UK instead of being a country in its own right and that situation is far from satisfactory.

It would then be up to the governments of the component nations to maintain a small senate (which could be anywhere but, I'm afraid, London is logical)to handle matters of common purpose. Unlike a federal system (where such a "senate" would have over-riding sovereignty), my proposed senate would be subject to the authority of the component nations.

The Scotland Act was little more than a mish-mash of
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

Newtonmore 07/03/2009 09:55:34
120 cont

The Scotland Act was little more than a mish-mash of political expediency. As such, I voted against it at the last referendum (although I voted "yes" for tax-raising powers) and I still believe that Holyrood was a grave mistake because it came into being for all the wrong reasons. That said, it has been a useful experiment . . . it's a shame, though, that neither side of the debate appears to be prepared to learn from it.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 09:59:56
118 Faux Cul,

Yes, well perhaps that would be the preferred location for their post-conference socialising.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 09:59:59
20th Century Boy's Golf Club.............

http://www.ghgc.org.uk/
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 10:03:16
"82 Edward,07/03/2009 02:19:22
The money wasdeniedand went to pay for investments in theSouth East of England, such as the M25 and the Channel Tunnel"
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Have you ever been on the M25 or the Channel Tunnel?

It was money well spent.
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 10:04:57
Ha! Ha! - you nats are so easily fooled by our unionist cunning. Have a look at the first paragraph where Gordon, our glorious leader, stated that he would endorse any major changes that improved the lives of Scots and strengthened the union.

Note the caveat - if it does not strengthen the union he will not endorse any major changes that will improve the lives of Scots. Unfortunately, the nat-supporting "Scotsman" printed that caveat despite instructions to the contrary.
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Scheme,

07/03/2009 10:05:52
Brown harks on about saving the “Scottish banks” whilst conveniently forgetting how many jobs in England were saved by the bailout - 10's of thousands of jobs would have been lost down south if RBS and HBoS had gone bust.

Strange that he never included this in his speech?
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The Strategist,

07/03/2009 10:06:10
#120

"Like it or not, complete separatism from the rest of the UK can never be a realistic option. Scotland would always continue to be affected by the actions of the Rest-of-the-UK parliament whether in economic, foreign, military or even domestic policies. The geography is a simple fact of life."

Repeat such a silly and ill thought through comment in Norway and they'll laugh their socks off. Geography has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the issue of independence.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 10:06:12
120 Jacqueline Hyde

Interesting post, but what does your alter ego Dr Jekyll think of the situation?
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 10:10:09
125 Rufus,

Good morning, Rufus,

Early shift today?

Yes, most Scots use the M25 and the Channel Tunnel regularly. I hear the Tunnel was great value for money and appeals to claustrophobics.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 10:11:20
126 brownlie,07/03/2009 10:04:57
Ha! Ha! - you nats are so easily fooled by our unionist cunning.
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Did you sign on with the wrong moniker this morning?
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blancmange,

07/03/2009 10:13:21
"If there are measures in this report which help Scots and strengthen the Union, I will support them," he declared.

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That is not a pledge. That is a conditional and hypothetical statement. In my opinion, the statement suggests he will more than likely snake away from the recommendations.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 10:13:37
Good morning Brownlie.

Yes, get time and a half for Saturday mornings.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 10:15:19
117# Irrespective of the recent constitutional changes it could be argued successfully that England, by far the wealthiest part of the United Kingdom, has always had more than sufficient economic, political and military powers, as the history of these islands has so conclusively proved.

The old chestnut about devolved government for England is a complete and utter nonsense.

The English whinging about Barnet is another nonsense considering the recent modest shares of government spending awarded to Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, in comparison to the mouth-watering sum of of £274 BILLION, shared between the English Regions.

England has a parliament? Its called Westminster.
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getinnnn,

Scotland 07/03/2009 10:16:29
Can We be sure that Brown will not support measures that will benefit the Union while being detrimental to Scotland? You are either a Scot or a Brit: His loyalty is to Britain. The loyalty of real Scots belong to Their Own Country Scotland....or England for the English and Wales for the Welsh. To allow cross border interference is to allow Yourselves to be treated as doormats.
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TWC,

07/03/2009 10:17:30
I live in hope but so far I have been disappointed. I forsee a few wee concessions but if Energy revenues are not included then it's another con forced on him by the Nats.
The rejection of the referendum stinks of panic as does Brown conceding powers to Holyrood.
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 10:19:38
132 Rufus

Dammit, yes I did! Do you fancy a co-ordinated attack on the nats? We could call it "Operation poking the nats with pointed sticks". I'm told it's highly effective. So effective in fact, that nats are abandoning any thoughts of independence and are flooding Tory/NewLabour with member-ship applications and cheques for £999.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 10:23:12
So Brownlie, I presume you were Union is Best.

Then you got banned and re-incarnated yourself as 'Union is Better'?

School boy error.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 07/03/2009 10:23:54
#106 What utter tosh! The Union is an anachronism and the three unionist parties at Holyrood clearly indicate the logic of these deadheads. Brown is a "talking head" and yesterday in Dundee we all witnessed his influence; poor support, internal objections, tired and wearysome jargon, candyfloss presentation and less substance than in a pot of green custard. He is so pathetic I'm beginning to feel sorry for the poor soul! Good on you Eck! Cometh the hour cometh the Man.
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 10:27:09
140 Rufus,

No, he's much more intelligent than your humble servant. I've been Brownlie all my life and have never found any need to be anyone else. Furthermore, I've never been banned from anywhere in my life despite being in some dodgy spots.

If you care to look at the Scotsman site yesterday you will see that Union is Better and I were commenting at the same time so I'm afraid that does not fit in with your theory.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 10:30:53
Brown won't have time to introduce any legislation following the Calman report this side of the General Election.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 10:32:38

144 Rulesbutnotrulers


Perhaps you got one thing correct, Brown is indeed a creep.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 10:35:31
120/121 You took rather a long time to make a very poor point. I don't think anyone envisages ''complete separatism'' from the rest of the UK, what is envisaged is political separation. In particular in the area of foreign policy our proximity to the UK would not necessitate any ''affect'' on the Scottish Govt in an independent Scotland, unless we were threatened by a common enemy. The prospect of not being affected by the UK's rather crazy foreign policy is a major argument in favour of independence, not against it.
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 10:44:09
140 Rufus

I'll catch your apology for your "school-boy error" later as I see the clown has escaped from the strait-jacket again.

Catch you later.
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 07/03/2009 10:45:58
#128

I think the relationship between Norway and Sweden rather proves my point. And then, of course, there is the Finland/Russia relationship . . . .

#129
Some egos needs no altering!!
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 07/03/2009 10:52:54
#150 Observer
Sorry about my rambling! The coffee obviously hadn't quite kicked in!

I take your point but surely the over-riding views of the separate governments would ensure a more tempered foreign policy?

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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

07/03/2009 10:54:10
SCRAP PFI SAYS LABOUR'S BUSINESS AMBASSADOR

'GROWING ALARM' AMONGST ARCHITECTS ABOUT PFI

The SNP has seized on remarks by Labour peer and UK government 'Business Ambassador' Lord Rogers who has called for PFI to be scrapped in an interview with the architect's magazine Building Design.

In the interview the peer, described as 'New Labour's favourite architect' also said the £2 billion of taxpayers’ money which has just been poured in to prop up the failing system should have been spent directly via traditional funding mechanisms.

His remarks were also echoed by other prominent figures in architecture who are sounding "growing alarm" about the troubled state of PFI.

Commenting on Lord Rogers remarks SNP Treasury Spokesperson Stewart Hosie MP said:

"In the week Labour put £2 billion of taxpayers money into PFI, this is incredibly embarrassing for the Labour party as they meet in Dundee.

"For New Labour's favourite architect to blast their favourite, but discredited, funding model only shows how much PFI is dead in the water.

"This bail-out is a humiliation for the Chancellor, and proof positive that PFI is the economics of the madhouse.

"Why is public money being used to prop up a failing system that gives such a bad return compared to traditional public procurement?

"The cost of propping up Labour’s PFI projects will make Sir Fred Goodwin’s pension arrangements look like pocket change.

"As if any further evidence was needed, the grotesque folly of building public services through private finance is now plain to see.

"Instead of sensible public investment the Labour Government has been ripped off by a credit card style con."
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The Master,

07/03/2009 10:59:28
So much for the usual cybernat nonsense about how Brown's as intransigent towards enhancing the devolution settlement as the Tories were in their opposition to any kind of devolution settlement.

Another Nat Duck shot: ho hum!
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TWC,

Ex Labour 07/03/2009 10:59:44
144 I would also be Happy but I fear that having read Tavish's submission to the Commission I cannot see how the Libdems will swing this, will they support a referendum then?
That was where I thought we were going before they attacked the referendum this week.
ALl we ever hear is Jaw Jaw from them and Labour I am so dis-illusioned by both of them.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 11:02:48
Brownlie, I am not convinced!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 11:04:58
163 this is what he is saying today, we don't know what he will be saying tomorrow. After all look at Ian Gray, one day he is rejecting a referendum, and then the next day he isn't so sure. Labour are lurching from one policy position to another on a daily basis, depending on the audience, so we simply don't know how long this Damascene conversion to devolution max will last.
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Melly,

Dunblane 07/03/2009 11:05:23
Now now you ungrateful poor wee Scots, be grateful for small mercies, we will look after you with our generous handouts so long as you behave youselves and do as we say.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 11:07:44
159 Yes - that is another good argument for independence. Without the psychological hangover from the days of Empire, it is possible that disastrous foreign policy decisions such as Iraq might not have happened. But that would depend on the UK being dismantled.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

07/03/2009 11:13:24
#162

Here's another reason to dump Brown...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8hg3/Diomhair/

The story of how successive Labour and Conservative governments up until the 1970s worked behind the scenes to discredit the Home Rule movement and the SNP - as revealed through once secret papers now available from official archives.
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Libertarian!,

07/03/2009 11:14:39
After years of playing second fiddle to the Messiah Blair and sporting a childish skulk, Comrade Brown at last found a well practiced and orchestrated stupid grin he finds it difficult to control.
The internatinally recognised 'boom and bust' expert has been unable to fool the two most powerful European nations Germany and France with his continual false predictions like he has fooled the New Labour sycophants that are stringently vetted before being allowed to enter the stage manged sham conference.
This is the democracy that now typifies the New Labour Party champagne socialist impostors.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 11:16:37
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Jacqueline Hyde ,On the shelf 07/03/2009 10:45:58
#128

I think the relationship between Norway and Sweden rather proves my point. And then, of course, there is the Finland/Russia relationship . .


How exactly would you describe the current relationship between Norway and Sweden?

And on what basis of knowledge do you base your opinion?

As far as the Finland/Russia relationship is concerned, why do you think that supports the concept of an United Kingdom?

Why does it appear that you are posting absolute drivel, copyright of Ewan Randall, copyright of Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased)?

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brownlie,

07/03/2009 11:20:31
165Rufus

If that is the case you are not as intelligent as I gave you credit for and I'm quite disappointed about that.

Incidentally, did you pick the name Rufus as a tribute to George Foulkes?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 11:21:16
He told Labour's Scottish conference in Dundee how he was inspired by the year-long battle against pit "I grew up in Kirkcaldy - a mining area that, like all mining areas, struggled with the closure of the pits. And, as those brave men left their jobs on the final day, I learnt a lesson that stays with me to this day - that struggle didn't bring forth selfishness, it summoned up solidarity."

Pity that you won't apply that view of struggle to post-office workers.
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Tris,

07/03/2009 11:32:05
Hilarious.

According to even the BBC, the speech was a flop. The 3000 seat hall had only about 500 people, the postal workers, wearing T-shirts in protest at the moves by the aristocrat Mandleson to privateise the Mail were moved from the front and made to sit out of site of the TV cameras, and there was only "sporadic" applause.

In contract to the 17 or 19 (depending on who you read)standing ovations from the Congress, none was offered in Dundee from the faithfull, and the applause at the ended lasted only 90 seconds, and that only because they wheeled on his wife.

I'm not sure where the first paragraph of this articel came from. It seems from the story that ""If there are measures in this report which help Scots and strengthen the Union, I will support them,".

I'm not sure where "sweeping" comes in, unless he is planning new jobs and intends providing the brushes.
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The Master,

07/03/2009 11:36:05
#171 Bulldog: my view is that the current settlement is in need of modernisation, which seems to be broadly in line with what Brown has been saying.

I'm open minded as to what that should entail and I await Calman with interest.
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Tris,

07/03/2009 11:42:43

#12.

Is it true that, given that the Scotland Act was passed by parliament after a referendum, that any future changes to that act would also require referendum?

After all, if you voted for/against the powers, such as they were as laid out in the original act, it does not necessarily mean that you would have voted for/against them had they been greater or lesser. (not very clear, but you know what I mean?)
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TWC,

07/03/2009 11:51:46
170 Gussie Fink-Nottle,
Thanks I'd never seen tis before

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8hg3/Diomhair/
Perhaps the Nats could start a Petition onthe Goverment web site and we could hold our own referendum surely we could get more than 2 million signatures
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www.dundeeforum.co.uk,

Dundee 07/03/2009 12:05:17
Iain Gray and Gordo Broon are deluded if they think that the Scottish electorate are going to forgive and forget their incompetence anytime soon.

Unless they repeat their stunning by-election success a la Glenrothes style - i.e. by crooked means! Where are the papers please?

Dundee has gottne rid of all Labour MSPs/MPs bar one and he will get a summary shove come the general election!

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Queen D,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 12:13:45
Might I suggest you all visit the Guardian website and watch a video Revealed , Police database/
The most disturbing thing I have seen.
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TWC,

Ex Labour 07/03/2009 12:53:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8hg3/Diomhair/

I wasn't aware of half of this, they should have showed this at the Scottish Labour conference and at the Libdem Conference next.

IIn fact every Scot should watch this before they vote
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puskas,

East kilbride 07/03/2009 12:54:37
Well the media are working fulltime in Scotland to keep the deceitful lieing Labour party to the forefront of news in radio and television.

Sadly for them it may work BUT........... Not as well as they expect.
Whats this about Gray putting Lie-bour on election footing.? Westminster-- Holyrood?

As as been pointed out they couldn't half fill a hall in Dundee ( not even half fill, not even close ).

Manipulation of cameras to give the impression that the hall was packed to the viewing audience/population... throughout the UK. M15 backing a government near fascist I presume..

The exclusion of the postal workers will put another few negative notches into Grays prospects...

The postal vote at future elections shall have to be monitored better. Much better. It is hard to create a system to protect disabled and the old when the Labour Party as Brown said will stop at nothing to protect the union. Of course with their record of fixing elections in England whe have to be aware at the possiblity of this become a regular occurance in my country, Scotland. Probably already at work.


The windup merchants that frequent these sites surely are not that stupid. I mean what is in it for them other than being Scotsman Newspaper drones making an a*se of their own topics...
No need actually because the topics are perverse in what is actually the truth .



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The Strategist,

07/03/2009 13:08:43
#157 Jacqueline Hyde

"I think the relationship between Norway and Sweden rather proves my point. And then, of course, there is the Finland/Russia relationship . . . ."

Of course it doesn't prove your point. The relationship between Norway and Sweden is such that since Norwegian independence the two countries have lived mostly in harmony with each other. Both countries have of course followed a different economic/industrial path to that of either Scotland or the UK so are now comparitively cushioned against the sort of greed, short termism and lack of industrial strategy that the UK suffers from.

As to Finland and Russia ...... Go read some history books... However, remember that Finland has Nokia and other industrial giants.... We don't.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 13:14:51
#193 the Strategist,

Further to your excellent post, My brother lives in Norway and he reckons they have a similar dislike for their former overseers in Sweden as we do for our English masters. It is very unusual to find an example of such history where there is no evidence of lingering resentment. Having said that, I am amazed at how magnanimous the Irish can be towards the English, (at times), such warm hearted people.

Saor Alba

V
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 13:19:57
#178 Queen D

Thanks for that. I watched it and I was appalled. I was a police officer for a number of years and we didn't have the powers to search people in a public place and ask for their details unless they were suspected of a crime. When did that change or are they abusing their powers? Scary that people are being harrassed for no good reason when their are criminal gangs out there causing mayhem. Good use of police time and resources in NuLiebores Stalinist State.

Saor Alba

P.S. The black shirts of the officers are another creepy development. Brings Mussolini to mind.
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Marga,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 13:26:29
Interesting web site

http://bellacaledonia.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/diomhair/

Bella Caledonia, fresh thinking for the new republic

Also, how can I get Diomhair on Youtube?
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eamon,

07/03/2009 14:08:54
192

You are a sick man. There are people on here trying to have a proper debate as to the future of our nation and all you can do is offer links to disgusting gay pornographic sites.

191 Marga

On behalf of the decent people on this site I can only offer my apologies for the behavious of this idiot. Its out of order, and the best thing we can do is ignore this freak. Diomhair, is available on the BBC Alba site, well worth the watch.
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The Strategist,

07/03/2009 14:20:15
#186

I can understand the resentment although I've spent a lot of time working in Norway and with Norwegian and I have to say that other than an amiable ribbing I've not detected any real resentment. The Scandiwegians tend to collaborate and cooperate on lots of issues and projcts but then unlike the Westminster and City of London brigade they all tend to be very forward looking and adventerous.

Take for example the so called Hydrogen Road where Norway, Sweden and Denmark are working together to roll out hydrogen refuelling stations and promoting and funding the development of vehicles that can use hydrogen. The UK is nowhere near that advanced in its thinking.

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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 15:26:04
#196 the Strategist:
Perhaps the analogy isn't exactly the same, Norway is now independent after all.

No matter how close we are to individual English people and like and enjoy their company, I think that there will always be a certain resentment towards the government in Westminster from right-thinking Scots.

It would be nice to think that our relationship, post independence, could evolve along similar lines to that in Scandinavia.

P.S. re forward thinking, my ideal would be for houses and businesses to have solar panels fitted that would power a compressor to power our non-polluting air cars and vans, (check them out on YouTube).

Saor Alba

V for Vendetta
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Billiam Wallace,

07/03/2009 15:28:42
PPS. Hilarious rigged vote result on Broon-Pant's reshuffle improving his chances on this page. On a hiding to nothing doesn't appear on there. Someone made an ommision methinks.

Saor Alba
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FerryPort,

07/03/2009 15:39:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g8hg3

link to diomhair
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ecosseman,

facts not propaganda 07/03/2009 15:53:43
IF SCOTS BANK NOTES ARE NOT LEGAL TENDER,WHY THEN BLAME OUR BANKS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
ALSO BROWN STATES THERE(MAYBE HELP)FOR HOLLYROOD,
ME THINKS NOT.
HE IS IN BIG TROUBLE,JUST WAIT AND SEE.THERE IS MORE TO COME!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 15:55:49
202


Classic! Haven't read something quite so funny on these boards for a long time! Keep it up, thanks!

Funnily enough Gordo "I saved the World" Mugabe Zanu Broon stated that Scotland could not bail out the RBS etc as an independant country.

True, but then again, as an independent country, our banks would NOT be subject to the UK financial regulatory authority to which he tinkered with. It would be subject to our own financial authority.

Goes to show you the contempt he showed the good people of Dundee at the conference by his spin, fidnging of the facts and lies.

How stupid does he think we are? Very.
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TWC,

Ex Labour 07/03/2009 15:56:30
I heard Iain Gray on Brian Taylors phone in He never said anything about policies on there either. He mentioned apprenticeships about 4 times.

We're going to have 5 million apprentices that's his policy and this conference is a nightmare I bet people were forced to attend.
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brownlie,

07/03/2009 16:14:11
202 Union is Better

That's alarming news. Any indication where they're going to move it to?
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotland 07/03/2009 16:23:21
Obviously Broon, master of corruption, has already had a wee sly look, in advance, at the Calman report. Don’t hold your breath for any significant or meaningful recommendations being made by Calman. However, one thing we do know about Broon is, he speaks with forked tongue.
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotland 07/03/2009 16:29:56
8 Traquir, Alba
Hi Traquir, ha ha ha, Maybe Maggie was referring, in advance, to the sweeping new powers that will be brought in by the SNP after the pending referendum!;-).
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 16:40:04
Iain Gray at the conference, standing on the shoulders of his rather aptly named ancestors, what a disaster. Gray by name... All they seem to be capable of, one after the other, right up to and including this series of dreary hacks, Gordon Brown, Jim Murphy, the unknown MP for Glasgow North West, and then Iain Gray, Jackie Baillie, is slagging off the SNP - how was it that the SNP managed to win an election without slagging people off like that. It's a real turn off. Had to feel sorry for poor tragic Margaret Curran, clearly the obvious choice for the Scottish labour leadership right from the beginning, straight on with Brian to put a positive spin on things and do some communicating. I am still not coming back to them. I won't vote for another party except the SNP UNLESS and UNTIL we are independent. I am sick of Labour's ONLY argument for the Union being our supposed dependency, we couldn't make it, it's insulting and rubbish to boot.
There is currently an empty space in the Scottish political landscape that should be occupied by progressives - and it is currently empty. Scottish Labour politicians need to get over their fetisch for the British state and reoccupy this space.
At least when Salmond impersonated I.M. Jolly he didn't really mean it and he was funny. Did I.M. Jolly really make a mistake with his autocue? He may very well be well-meaning and interested in social justice, but that just does not cut the mustard - why should we be offered second rate by Labour - another insult to the voters.
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Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 07/03/2009 16:51:54
Ian Grey accends platform - after posh 16 year old twit from the leafy suburb of Bishopbriggs, and lauded by Grey as "the future of our Party" departs the mic.

Grey - looking even more baffled than usual - looks to the right - looks to the left - looks straight ahead.
Finally, after a long - it seemed like hours - pause, a flunky from the platform part was dispatched to switch on the autoque .(Oh Lord, how we laughed !!)
It was a classic of its kind and worthy of inclusion in YOUTUBE.

Even now, a suspect is being grilled for causing such a debacle. But there can be only one conclusion ;
THE MOLE HAS RETURNED !!!

NEW LABOUR ( NORTH BRITISH PARTY ) utterly, completely , and totally useless..........
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 16:52:00
Canes Pugnaces (Wardog) chews toffees whenever he gets a visit from 20th Century Boy.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 16:59:04
Who can forget.............................

20th Century boy,
24/02/2009 15:30:10
Just saw a cracking photy on the front page of the Courier today.

There at the podium , in full colour with the STARS AND STRIPES on one side, and the SCOTTISH SALTIRE on the other, is a TRUE STATESMAN and OUR FIRST MINISTER the one and only ALEX SALMOND.

He looks SOOOO handsome and i'm SOOOO proud to be a jock.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 07/03/2009 17:17:23
Much has been said already about how threadbare the arguments for remaining in the union are,but I`d just like to aim one wee point directly at the "undecideds"
We are supposed to live in a democracy.
In any other country,democracy means that the people who form the government are the people the electorate voted for.
In Scotland,however,the people who form the government are the people ENGLAND voted for.
Their numerical superiority dictates that this will always be the case.
This arithmetic truism is what gave us all those years of Tory rule for which barely any Scot voted.
Independence will give us the ability,democratically, to get rid of an unpopular government in Edinburgh when WE decide without having to wait until England`s voting intentions align with ours.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 17:21:40
Scottish Labour is back says Gray

Iain Gray delivered his first speech as leader to the conference
Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray has declared his party "is back", as he urged members to start preparing for the 2011 Holyrood election battle.

He told the Scottish Labour conference it was time to regroup and recover, in the wake of its defeat in the last parliament election.

Mr Gray also launched a strong attack on First Minister Alex Salmond, branding him "impossibly smug".

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Iain Gray, spot on as always.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 17:22:41
"Every country faces the economic slowdown, but only Scotland does so on top of the Salmond slump."

SPOT ON AGAIN
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 17:24:06
And launching a personal attack on Mr Salmond, the Scottish Labour leader branded him: "Impossibly smug. Impossibly naff. Just frankly impossible."


HAHAHAHA

Superb description of the smug 'bridge opener'.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/03/2009 17:27:54
Save Britain, ditch the Union !
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Donald Black,

07/03/2009 17:31:10
#224 "And launching a personal attack on Mr Salmond, the Scottish Labour leader branded him: "Impossibly smug. Impossibly naff. Just frankly impossible."

Aye, impossible to beat.
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Masterpiece,

07/03/2009 17:39:18
I have just read that the SNP (in the form of Stewart Stevenson) has just stopped Highland Council from erecting any more bilingual (Gaelic-English) roadsigns in their area.

Can someone please let us know, whether this is true or not?
If it is true then all supporters of this SNP government should do two things;
hang their heads in shame and get this act stopped immediately as it will embarrass Scotland no end internationally, knowing that many countries use three and more languages on roadsigns.

So much for their Scottishness if this is true.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 17:46:11
228 Masterpiece,07/03/2009 17:39:18
I have just read that the SNP (in the form of Stewart Stevenson) has just stopped Highland Council from erecting any more bilingual (Gaelic-English) roadsigns in their area.
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Yes I can confirm it is true.

Well done Stewart Stevenson.

Bi-lingual signs are nothing but a waste of money.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 17:52:37
181 GET RID OF THE UNION YOKE AROUND OUR NECKS,07/03/2009 12:29:42
170 Gussie Fink-Nottle,
I tried to download this before it disappears, as it is only on the i player for a few days, but I cannot download it.
Do you know how to do this and does anyone know how or if it can be uploaded to You Tube?
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I know how to do it.

But having just watched the first 5 minutes and seen how dross it was, I think Youtube would reject it.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 17:53:55
230 Canes Pugnaces,07/03/2009 17:50:51
228. A recent study has apparently recently revealed that bi-lingual sings may be a direct cause of road crashes to those that don't speak either language
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Eh?

How does that work?
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arc of insolvency,

07/03/2009 17:54:02
Why would anyone give the SNP more powers considering how inept they are with their existing ones.

Maybe Salmond should take the Scottish parliament through all their manifesto pledges and detail which ones they have ACTUALLY delivered.

They are complete FAILURE - they make Labour look good...
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pwd,

Borders 07/03/2009 17:55:41
#228 Masterpiece

On the subject of signs, Scotland is already embarrassed no end by the signs at the border, on the A1, A7, A68 etc, etc. They are AWFUL, oversized, ugly, garish and exceedingly 'loud'. No people with any self esteem would want to announce their presence/existence with such monuments to bad taste. The old discreet signs were quite good enough. To make matters worse there is some script on the new ones in a language completely foreign to the people of the borders. We were not consulted and got no referendum on whether or not we wanted this alien incursion into our culture.
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Ewan M,

07/03/2009 17:58:40
Has Salmond ever explained how he would have resuced RBS and HBOS with a world recession and low oil prices?

I know he is economical with his numbers and the best of times but it realy goes to show how much sh*t he really does talk!
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Masterpiece,

07/03/2009 17:59:01
So if you go to Germany or Poland or France there should be no Bilingual signage using English.

There signage should be in Polish only in Poland, German only in Germany, French only in France with absolutely no English whatsoever.
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Donald Black,

07/03/2009 18:08:37
#240
If idiots stop or make u-turns on trunk roads, its because they are idiots, nothing to do with signage.

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pwd,

Borders 07/03/2009 18:14:49
#243

A quick scan of my history library reveals no treatise on road signs. If you have detailed information on such matters please write it up now.
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pwd,

Borders 07/03/2009 18:22:45
Diomhair - much ado about nothing, despite the 1930s film style music implying dark arts and skullduggery of the most base kind. No doubt, though, it will give an excuse or two for puffed up indigntaion by the conspiracy and the English are up to no good brigade.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:23:41
248 Canes Pugnaces,07/03/2009 18:14:03
Meanwhile BBC ALBA is producing some super documentaries.
This one is particularly interesting, I highly recommend it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8hg3/Diomhair/
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That program is an amateurish toe-curling embarrassment.

It is about as objective as an SNP Party Political Brodcast.

A minority interest program aimed at a minority interest group of people, all with tunnel vision.



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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:24:42
255 ex labour for life,Alba 07/03/2009 18:22:44
248 Canes Pugnaces,
I watched it with a mate who has voted labour all his life.
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Imaginary friends don't get votes.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:27:16
254 funny_newspaper,07/03/2009 18:21:10
No!
He's not bavarien then.
That's weird! It's a joke, is it?
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Yes it was Wardogs poor attempt at humour.

This is the real me...................

http://www.doctorspiller.com/images/Dentures/FlexibleFace.JPG

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Masterpiece,

07/03/2009 18:27:29
Since the roadsigns are almost all from Gaelic then only Gaelic roadsigns are required. Is that it?
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:28:57
260 Dave From Barra,Western Isles

Weirdo.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:29:33
#263

RubbishGate?
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:31:45
262 Masterpiece,07/03/2009 18:27:29
Since the roadsigns are almost all from Gaelic then only Gaelic roadsigns are required. Is that it?
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I think we should remove all roadsigns.

According to Wardog all they do is cause accidents.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:33:09
The sooner the Royal Mail is privatised the better.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:33:13
Oh, you reported me. Awww.

I would imagine Broon would taste like a chicken, is that true?
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:34:39
The noises you make are similar to the ones your mum makes while Salmond knocks the back out of her
Rufus.

Moanings and and groanings but not of pleasure.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:37:07
Rufus is feeling threatend. You cant tell, he starts to report and delete blogs. How do I know?

Well wouldn't little rufus like to know that, eh Mr Editor? Wink Wink
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:38:54
272 Canes Pugnaces,07/03/2009 18:33:46
268. Rufus
"I'm SOOOO proud to be a jock"
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Why you posting 20th Century Boys posts and attributing them to me?

Weird behaviour.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:42:47
rufus = AM2

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anyone remember when am2 used to do this

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remember how he always used to post previous posts?


got a new motor yet andy?
still at the same address andy?

remember how he used to put loads of things in "quotes"
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:42:52
Wardog, your blog is as dull as ever.

What's the point of it?

By the way "Primeminister" should be 2 words.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:43:32
Poor rufus. Little does he know. Awww.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:44:33
The last stand of a coward. Correct peoples grammer, diction and spelling.

Awwwww.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:44:40
283 karin.m,07/03/2009 18:42:47

Karin, how did you finally work out I was am2?
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:44:57
hey andy

your rufus incarnation is a bit of a dickwad.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:45:39
It ok Rufus, I had a word with the Editor about you. We share the same thoughts with regards yourself. You're lucky we're both kindly and tolerant.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:45:49
287 it was pretty much you being a dickwad.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:46:47
karin.m

Rufus is more than just AM2, have a word with the editor. Quite enlightneing really.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:46:59
hey andy you got a new motor yet?
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:47:30
286 Dave From Barra,Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:44:33
The last stand of a coward. Correct peoples grammer,
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Nonsense.

Its the guy's blog I am referring to, not one of his many incorrect posts above.

I am sure he would want it to be correct.

As for you, its grammar, you dimwit.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:47:41
oh wait thats right you bought a blue plasma car with your saving on the vat.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:49:24
293 nonsense!!............oops you slipped into AM2 mode there
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:50:19
Karin M, Scotland's answer to Miss Marple.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:51:33
297 andy i dont look anything like miss marple. ask conan.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:51:34
296 funny_newspaper

Splendid.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 18:53:43
298 karin.m,07/03/2009 18:51:33
297 andy i dont look anything like miss marple. ask conan.
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I was told you are more of a Clarissa Dickson Wright.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:53:54
291 dave

do you mean the whole working for the scotsman thing?
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:55:22
300 the only similarity might be the scarf........and the leather.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 18:55:23
That's right rufus, it's "grammar". Flushed right out.

You know the editor, don't you Rufus? Interesting fellow. Very worried about his wee paper and the people that inhabit it. Poor wee rufus.
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karin.m,

07/03/2009 18:56:48
296 think about it. newspaper trade unions......

labour members active in trade unions.................seeing anything linking up here.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 19:00:19
Don't worry about it chaps, after having a wee word with the Editor, it seems that rufus, like the economy of the UK under the love of rufus's life (broon), is a busted flush.

We should feel sorry for the chap, he has nothing left to cling to and that he does is stigmatised.

Poor rufus, awwww.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 19:01:15
"I've heard that Jim Murphy is very good orally."

Indeed Canes. Rufus was his mentor....
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Displaced Scot,

UK 07/03/2009 19:05:49
How will giving Holyrood extra powers, strenghten the Union. I am a Scot living in England, the view in England is that Scotland is a land with special privalages, which only builds resentment in England. That resentment will only weaken the Union.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 07/03/2009 19:23:36
Iain Gray said in his speech

'We believe that Scotland’s greatest resource is the untapped potential of our people. And that is a resource which is limitless and whose value is beyond calculation'

So does Iain Gray think that the scottish people have the resource, potential to make their own decisons, be independent - that would be a no.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 19:24:38
309


Easy answer. Stop reading English based media for it's biased and full of crud. Just like Broon and Rufus.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 07/03/2009 19:26:51
311

Exactly. Just like Broons attempt at preventing independence by his lies about how the RBS etc could not be bailed out by wee Scotland alone.

Duh yes, they also would not be subjet to UK financial regulation either so, therefore, wouldn't get so big, greedy and crazy.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 07/03/2009 19:32:31
Iain Gray also said

'If Scotland created the modern world as some claim we did, then it was this democratic intellect and egalitarian instinct which did it'

Yes Scotland did contribute greatly to developing the modern word, but yet he argues we can't run our own affairs.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 19:36:59
314 Thomas79,Ayrshire 07/03/2009 19:32:31

'If Scotland created the modern world'
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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eamon,

07/03/2009 19:39:54
Barroch Dave

Good evening sir, hope you are well. I see you are finding this amadan hard to take as well. I was once given a very good piece of advice by you with regards losing my cool with his type. He is a sick man.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 07/03/2009 19:40:44
'If Scotland created the modern world'

That was part of Iain Gray's speech today, your great leader

So why do you think its so funny?

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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 19:40:49
HAHAHA Wardog has corrected his blog already!

Glad to see he pays attention to what I say.
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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 19:43:00
317 Thomas79,Ayrshire

Because I am unlike the SNP drones on here who worship Salmond and hang onto every word regardless of what guff he spouts.
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Steve A.,

07/03/2009 19:47:07
The long faces in the labour conference spoke volumes it wont matter how much this bunch of sleaze balls spin they are all surely fukced.You could see the party faithful cringing at Ian Grey's every word except for the ones that had fell asleep.

How is broon gonnay rig the election next time round?











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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 07/03/2009 19:47:41
Good show RufusT-Firefly

Even you had a good laugh at Iain Grays expense

I suspect the whole country will be laughing alongside you when he crashes the 2011 election

altogether now
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Eve,

Scotland 07/03/2009 21:44:20
Brown appears to have a diffrent opinion on this subject every time he's asked. Maybe it depends on who asks him!! These seem to range from, giving up power, keeping the staus quo and giving Holyroood a few more powers.

When are the results of the Calman Commission due? What are the chance it being before the 7th May 2010!!

I suspect if we do get findings before the next genral election and it does allow us extra powers. We'll get the most minner powers going, so slight we won't actaly be all that aware that our parlment has more powers than it did before.
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Eve,

Scotland 07/03/2009 21:49:44
#324 ex labour for life,Alba: Ah did you see the "Scottish" Labour Partys polital broadcast yeasterday, omg it was the most boring broadcast I've ever seen in my life. Ian Gray siting on bus talking. I spent most of the time wondering where the bus was, as apose to listening to what he had to say.
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The Strategist,

07/03/2009 23:13:47
'We believe that Scotland’s greatest resource is the untapped potential of our people. And that is a resource which is limitless and whose value is beyond calculation'

Sad to say though that Crash and Ally's chums in the financial services sector didn't invest in the people of Scotland and still aren't of course. Company creation under Labour has been at an all time low whereas company sell offs to overseas companies has been at an all time high.

Gray is all frills and no knickers as me old mum used to say. And remember is predeccessor one Ms W Alexander creator of the "Smart Successful Scotland" initiative. Wasn't that all about creating new high growth enterprise....? It failed miserably.

My God.... These idiots seriously expect us to swallow this nonsense again.
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Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 08/03/2009 03:13:36
More drivel from Broon, did he not say after the Glenrothes rig up, that Scotland DID NOT NEED more power?

Rufus, can you explain this U turn? But it really doesn't matter this joke of a PM will be history soon.
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redcliffe62,

08/03/2009 05:59:00
pound hits all time low against icelandic krona, just 159 compared to 230 in december, which currency is the basket case now?
brown's printing of notes is mugabenomics, practised only by those with a degree in village idiotry.
can the scotsman ask spud for his opinion, after all he was very free with it when he thought they were going down the pan.
perhaps ask lord foulkes what they are doing right and brown is doing wrong?
can i suggest possibly the fact their pollies do not walk away with 2 mill when they retire helps give them credibility in other countries?
as i see it, brown says you can have all the power you want, as long as i make the final decision on behalf of north britain in london. and gray and the lemmings lap it up. no-one easier to fool than a fool themself.
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Satire above all,

08/03/2009 06:45:15
181 Just to let you know that I've downloaded it and will put it on youtube soon. It will be staying in the public domain where it should be...rest assured :-)
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

08/03/2009 08:45:32
#330 Well done Mr Satire, my hat is doffed in your direction. Do you have a link to it?
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redcliffe62,

13/03/2009 06:16:43
pound at record low AGAIN, 155 icelandic krona and dropping, it was 257 earlier this year.
good job i did not listen to spud about where i should invest. if he had invested a trillion into an icelandic bank and taken it out now we would be 400 billion better off.
unfortunately he invested in lloyds, hbos and rbs after destroying their credibility thru peston and his family via the bbc, so that trillion is worth err, 50p?
they gambled and we lost.
good news is that not all one way, the pound has gained by a colossal 2% against the malawi peanut in the last 3 months, a real world powerhouse of a currency, as joke mcwishaw knows. a real pity norway, iceland, ireland and denmark are doing well now, as spud would have got the scotsman to ridicule salmond. unfortunately for spud and darling they are now very quiet on that front, and no wonder!!!!

 

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