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Gray stakes his reputation on winning in Glenrothes



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Published Date: 23 September 2008
LABOUR's new leader in Scotland has pledged to do "everything in my power" to save the Prime Minister from a disastrous defeat in the Glenrothes by-election.
Iain Gray also used his first speech to the party's national conference in Manchester to call for MPs to unite behind Gordon Brown and "fight shoulder to shoulder and side by side" for a fairer Britain.

But he reserved much of his five-minute addr
ess – delivered early yesterday morning to a poorly attended conference hall – for an attack on the SNP's record at Holyrood and "separatist posturing".

Mr Gray, who was elected leader ten days ago in a poll of MSPs, Scottish MPs and Labour activists, made no policy announcements but served notice that he would be taking the fight to the SNP administration at Holyrood.

He said Labour's ousting from government at Holyrood last year "still hurts", and admitted that many critics believed the party had been sleepwalking into the defeat.

"If we did, we are wide awake now," he said.

Some Labour figures already believe that the party has no chance of retaining Glenrothes, where it is defending a 10,664 majority following the death of sitting MP John MacDougall. A date has yet to be set for the Westminster by-election, but Mr Gray reported that his first act on becoming leader was to visit the constituency.

Many believe a heavy Labour defeat will magnify the pressure on Mr Brown, following the party's trouncing by the SNP in Glasgow East. But Mr Gray, an MSP since 1999 and a former minister, said: "I will do everything to ensure that Labour's Lindsay Roy will be the next MP for Glenrothes."

Urging his party to "face outwards, not in" and rediscover its "self-belief", he added: "Now is the time to unite behind our Prime Minister Gordon Brown and fight shoulder to shoulder and side by side with him for the fairer future we know we can have."

He claimed that "the people of Scotland don't want independence", adding that the Nationalists "want the Tories to win the next general election" to help distance the Westminster government from the views of many Scots.

SNP MSP and chief whip Brian Adam said the "low" turnout for Mr Gray's speech showed how little Scotland mattered to the Labour Party.

He added: "Iain Gray is facing another electoral disaster for his party and himself, as an analysis shows he would lose his own seat at the next Scottish Parliament elections."





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1

Angus Ogg,

22/09/2008 23:19:48

Not much of a reputation to stake really.

Gray's Toast.


Things

Can

Only

Get

Worse.


Well for Labour at least.
2

Senga Jean,

23/09/2008 00:12:43
Empty words to an empty conference hall.Grey indeed. The SNP want to separate Scotland from the leash that prevents us having a voice in the adult world. I am proud to be a separatist if it allows my country the dignity of denying Trident on our soil or stops crazy wars that have nothing to do with a rational foreign policy. I want a party that stands up for its citizens and the SNP does that.
3

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 23/09/2008 00:23:21
In a recent poll in the Glenrothes constituency the majority of Unite members revealed their intention to vote for the SNP. Mr Gray talks about the SNP failing to use the Scottish Parliament "as a powerful instrument of social progress". The failure was entirely Labour's and that is why they lost the last election. Labour are a policy vacuum soon to become a power vacuum. All we know of Iain Gray is that he dislikes the SNP. I hope in the run up to the Glenrothes by-election (whenever it will be) we might a little from Iain Gray about his party's policies. It would make a welcome change.
4

Richardinho,

23/09/2008 00:53:17
'his five-minute address – delivered early yesterday morning to a poorly attended conference hall : "we are wide awake now" '

er..maybe not Iain.Scottish labour leaders should give up going to the english conference, it's always an embarrassment. Just think of Wendy apologizing to her london masters on 'behalf' of the Scottish electorate for kicking them out.
5

ptdoug,

23/09/2008 00:55:09
"Gray stakes his reputation on winning in Glenrothes"

Yeah... well .... good luck with that...














What planet is he on?
6

Guga II,

Rockall 23/09/2008 00:58:58
If Gray is staking his reputation on Labour winning in Glenrothes, I assume he will tender his resignation as soon as the results are announced.
7

Maisie from Morningside,

23/09/2008 01:03:27
Will he eat his hat?
Will he fall on his sword?
Or will he hang around long enough to get promoted to the House of Lords and live off the allowances?

We need to know!!
8

ptdoug,

23/09/2008 01:21:18
"Scottish" Labour... groveling and scraping... doffing their caps and tugging their forelocks at the English Conference... panting for approval and a pat on the head from their London puppet-masters.

How pathetic. What a bunch of selfish careerist traitors.

Selling their own country short for British gold and the queens pension.

Thank God they are heading for electoral oblivion and a generation in political purgatory.

9

frank mcbride,

lusitania 23/09/2008 02:45:37
Is the article a rewrite of "Gray's Eligy in a Country Graveyard"?
10

frank mcbride,

lusitania 23/09/2008 02:49:08
Apologies, "Elegy".

Sorrowful, sorrowful; woe is me!
11

donald,

glasgow 23/09/2008 04:54:23
Gray skies crashes Brown to earth.
12

Alex Salmond's Briefcase Carrier,

@hearingaidsshop 23/09/2008 06:15:08
Mr. Gray if you please, the Boss says you should wear clean knickers next Thursday at FM questions, better safe than sorry (that's mine).
13

glassbenmhor,

23/09/2008 06:53:41
Is Ian Grey as clever as you said Wendy Alexander was?

addressed to the Scottish Journalistic Corps.
14

glassbenmhor,

23/09/2008 06:57:48
To all Scottish card carrying journos,If you boys and girls think the Big Fish is a bully,stand by folks,because its going to get pretty rough in this direction,and you know what,he'll have 75% of the Scots population right behind him.
15

Jimmy Le Pie,

23/09/2008 07:01:29
Does Balloon Gray not realise how pathetic he looks??

Does he have no self respect or dignity??

Sad stuff from a sad man.
16

Cappo Del Monte,

23/09/2008 07:03:47
Did he even have a reputation to begin with?
You cant stake something you dont have, even bookies wont let you do that.

But you can stake HBOS shares if you dont have them and short sell them, seems he taking advise from the financial sector on this
17

LEAL,

23/09/2008 07:44:41
Repeatedly saying the Scottish people dont want independence isnt going to save the union.Gray will have to come up with policies that put the Scottish people first if they want to regain any credibility in Scotland,and London wont tolerate that.The Labour MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife wants to build new nuclear power stations.Where in Mid Scotland and Fife does he think they should be built?
18

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 23/09/2008 08:03:38
Not much else to be said here. Its all been stated very well by the Scottish Patriots.

Well done Lads and Lassies.
19

morris,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 08:09:44
A number of things were apparent at this conference.
Delegates believe that Brown can make "The speech of his life" and all will be well in Labour la la land.
They will win Glenrothes and they will be returned to power at a General Election once the feel good factor returns after Gordons brilliant speech and Autumn relaunch.la la la ,la la la,
Poor old SNP.They have not learned anything yet, and are still trying to do it the hard way, and make a difference to peoples lives.
Actually its a combination of funny and frightening when you hear this conference crud.
1)They have not got a clue as to what is real and what is not.]
2)They genuinely believe that people will support them again!How?

THIS PARTY OUGHT TO BE LOCKED UP FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!
They are not even on the same planet as the rest of us.

As for Ian Gray appearing at the conference ,I shall not comment much, but IM sure I heard one of them saying so that's what McDonald looks like. Mmmm
20

Vote UKIP,

23/09/2008 08:11:46
Labour doesn't stand a chance against UKIP.

People have been betrayed to often now. Only UKIP has the solution: complete overhaul of the corrupt political system and withdrawal from the EU.
21

MacGillicuddy,

23/09/2008 08:36:49
#21
Away with your fascist UKIP-BNP nonsense!
22

MacGillicuddy,

23/09/2008 08:38:15
From the piece;

"LABOUR's new leader in Scotland has pledged to do "everything in my power" to save the Prime Minister from a disastrous defeat in the Glenrothes by-election."

LOL!

23

Linda,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 08:41:59
Labour have learnt nothing from their defeat in 2007. They continue to attack Alex Salmond over Bank of Scotland to divert attention away from Brown and Darling who failed to act after two previous attempts to destabilise HBOS. No wonder the majority of Unite members in Glenrothes support SNP even at a time the Union is striking against Scottish government.
24

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 23/09/2008 08:54:32
He doesnt have a reputation to gamble with.
25

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 23/09/2008 08:56:08
21

Not much to brag about there sunshine Al Queada could poll more results than Labour just now.
And UKIP combined for that matter.
26

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 23/09/2008 09:02:54
#4
Gregor Addison makes an important observation on the determination of Unite members in Glenrothes to vote SNP.

The historic link with the Labour Party is now very weak because of the comprehensive betrayal of the interests of union members by Labour, but it will take considerable determination by rank and file members to break it. The full-time officers of most trades unions are locked into the Labour Party by the insidious tentacles of patronage and career paths that can carry them into government and even to the cabinet.

The more clear sighted of the union hierarchies recognise that a link to Labour is now a liability, as indeed a fixed link to any party will be. They know that a new breed of union member and union activist is now emerging, one who will tactically and strategically support whatever party or policies actually benefit their members.

Unite is in the forefront of this new age of trade unionism, and I believe it is preparing to sever the ties that brought pay restraint, the abolition of the 10p tax rate, spiralling cost of living and financial chaos to their membership. I also believe the Unite recognises the obscenity of nuclear weapons and the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Scottish waters, and opposes the murderous Iraq involvement and its Labour apologists.

Sing a wee Scottish patriotic song and support your ain folk!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUZYyxKE0g


27

Hamish Scott,

23/09/2008 09:04:13
"Gray stakes his reputation on winning in Glenrothes."

What reputation?
28

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/09/2008 09:04:55
"Gray stakes his reputation on winning in Glenrothes"

Two points.

First, what reputation? Second, is he mad?
29

Boy Wonder,

23/09/2008 09:10:36
Gray by name, Gray by nature!
30

Alec M,

Falkirk 23/09/2008 09:16:39
"he reserved much of his five-minute address – delivered early yesterday morning to a poorly attended conference hall ..."

The wee soul's reputation got there before him.

31

Alastair the First,

23/09/2008 09:18:04
When was "Care in the Community" replaced with "Labour Party Conference"?

Ian Gray is just so charismatic - I reckon he will be the next Dr Who.
32

Darien,

Panama 23/09/2008 09:34:44
Gray says: "the people of Scotland don't want independence"

Oh yes they do!

Gray says: "the Nationalists want the Tories to win the next general election"

Nearly everyone south of the border wants the Tories to win the next general election. Thats a reflection of how dire NewLab has become down there, because the Tories are also mince.

"the "low" turnout for Mr Gray's speech showed how little Scotland mattered to the Labour Party"

And Scotland now cares little for NewLab. The SNP Gov has given Scots a pleasant taste of what we can achieve on our own. Bring it on!
33

Alan B,

23/09/2008 09:44:21
Why would anyone vote labour? They have been completely incompetent over the last decade on both sides of the border. They are dishonest and corrupt and have sunk politics to new lows.
34

yolanda,

23/09/2008 10:05:31
But Mr Gray, an MSP since 1999 and a former minister, said: "I will do everything to ensure that Labour's Lindsay Roy will be the next MP for Glenrothes."

Everything? This should be interesting.

I assume he will resign when it all goes belly up.......

Next!!....
35

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

23/09/2008 10:23:47
#20 I would not be so sure - the knives are out for Brown. He has the support of Labour Party members like a hanged man has the support of a noose.

Those I've spoken to say he has to go - Glenrothes will be the tripwire for a leadership challenge.

I honestly believe he won't last till the end of the year.

Who follows? Seems there are only two possibilities - Milliband and Alan Johnson. If I were a betting man I'd go for Johnson - a competent minister, one who tells it like it is.

It may not save them in a General Election but it may prevent a Tory landslide - especially if they manage to get Brown to take the blame. That may sound fanciful but never underestimate the electorate's gullibility in these matters. Labour are like the Tories under Thatcher/Major - they are deeply unpopular but there are still people who will vote for them but never admit it ic public.
36

Christina, Aberdeen,

23/09/2008 10:25:13
So who will be Labour's sixth leader in Scotland once Gray resigns?

Looks like his leadership is going to be the shortest yet.
37

TWC,

Ayrshire 23/09/2008 10:36:59
You need to watch out the dirty tricks will start now. Labour's wee Union mini fuhrers will be popping up all over the media. Pushing Scottish Labour's only policy "We hate Alex Salmond"
All they are doing is making ordinary people like me support him because we will not be manipulated any more.
38

morris,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:43:38
37

Indeed Christina!

Ian Gray may already unwittingly have given the "Speech of his life" by virtue of the probability that it may prove to be the ONLY ONE!
39

shivago8,

livingston 23/09/2008 10:49:38
Ha Ha,Gray just lost his reputation and his job after minutes in the job.

HALLELUJAH

Just seen some pink pigs fly past my window

He is on the wrong planet,that is going around and around and no way can he get off.
40

Alan B,

23/09/2008 10:52:26
#The Federalist

I think they may have a chance if Alan Johnston takes over. Milliband just seems to me to be a bad joke.

It is difficult to judge as the next election will be decided in England on English issues not Scotland.

The tories actually won the popular vote in England last time round. With the seats reworked it will mean that they should more accurately reflect the popular vote. This makes it harder for labour.

In many ways labour has lost its sole with Blair and the hangers on (although abandoning socialism was a good move). People like Clarke and Mandelson represent much that is wrong with the party.

Think labour need a strong figure like Reid back to be chancellor under Johnstone.

Labour really need to address the fact that under Blair they because a dishonest and corrupt party. With the global economic downturn Browns poor economic fundamentals mean that they will find it difficult to recover these failures.

The best advert for labour in England is the fact the tories are poor. Can anyone take Osbourne seriously as chancellor. Cameron has ditched and alienated Davis who is probably the best of his front bench team.
41

Darien,

Panama 23/09/2008 10:54:58
#36: I don't think the majority of Scots really care whether NewLab or Tory win the next UK general election, or who will lead NewLab after Hen Broon is kicked uit. What really matters to Scots is how many SNP candidates get elected to Westmonster - as that will help quicken independence and enable Scots to depart the sinking UK Titanic. You have yet to twig on the Scots psyche I fear as your post is written for an English audience - better to move to The Telegraph.
42

morris,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:57:27
24
I agree Linda that more and more trade Unionists are beginning to realise who their real friends are.
I was a member (and shop steward) in Nalgo and UNISON for most of my life,although I have been a member of another white collar Union many moons ago.One thing I was always concious of as a known SNP member/activist also was that the level of support for the SNP in the offices and professions was quite disproportionate to the total membership.It may be more apparent and vociferous now,but it was always there simmering as a minority certainly but only because of three Unionist parties to one realistic Nationalist party.
The Times they are a changing and Scotland needs change ASAP.
Labour activists complain that we do not treat them with respect.THEY DO NOT DESERVE RESPECT.
They sold Scotland 40 years ago, when they joined the Tories and Lib Dems in suppressing the McCrone Report and conned Scotland out of her birthright, and they sold our oldest financial institution down the river these last few months.(They knew about this and were instrumental in bringing it about).
They are QUISLINGS and never again should we apologise for calling them so.They deserve EVEN LESS!
43

morris,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 11:12:44
33


Gray says: "the Nationalists want the Tories to win the next general election"
Not quite. The Nationalists realise that the Tories WILL WIN the next election and want to stop them governing Scotland.
Labour want to save their own scruffy gravy train necks and are prepared to pay the price of everybody gets a Tory government because the village idiots said so.
In any case they are already in power in a diluted form !
The same old crud Vote SNP and let the Tories in.etc

God was a founder member of the Labour Party
(its true ,it said so in the Daily Retard).

Labour will win Remember that slogan? You ought to.We had 18 years of Conservative government because our village idiots believed it and it included the THATCHER years.

Well done chaps.
Vote Labour and guarantee a Tory government!

Now GRAY V Train wants to do it a fifth time.
Aye That will be richt!
44

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 11:16:55
Iain Gray must have puzzled the vast majority of Labour delegates at Manchester? Iain Who? This may explain why the hall emptied and the bars were full when he spoke.

It goes without saying that the same Labour apparatchiks would have had no trouble identifying
the loud-mouthed Salmond.

After listening to a small segment of Iain Gray's soporific speech, Salmond will certainly not loose any
of the same over his Opposition rival's dismal performance.

Many voters now realise that the Labour Party in Scotland must have had to scrape the bottom of a wafer-thin political barrel to find such an
ineffectual speaker!
45

danielrober,

23/09/2008 11:17:32
Mr Gray have a difficult situation.

The nationalists as noted in comment # 43 are rather crazy 'sometimes' (but i don't think he is calling people Natzies). They can focus of nutter issues and demand more 'decisions' to be made in Scotland. This is nothing more than a power grab in spite of logic, resources and time frames.

The country has been here before most seriously in 1984, when strikes became fashionable destroying what people were trying to protect.

That the labours parties problem. It can not operate the Scorched Earth policy that the SNP can. The SNP wish to rebuild in there own way and the best way to do that is to beak/burn now before even a vote on separation. After all the more you smash up a shop the lower price you have to pay to buy it.

The Labour party must fight a battle on its home territory without causing collateral damage. When the SNP can engage in open warfare, with collateral damage been a political bonus for them.

What ever happens between the UK based parties, nationalists and pro-Europeans/internationalists elsewhere in the world will be watching this bi-election with interest.
46

Darien,

Panama 23/09/2008 11:42:27
~46: You would make a good speech writer - for Ernst Röhm!
47

Venachar,

23/09/2008 11:46:18
#27 Yes Unite are so patriotic and love Scotland, the Scottish people et al but go on strike for their own ends and screw up everyone in Scotland's fuel supply!
48

TWC,

Ayrshire 23/09/2008 11:46:35
46.
Sorry but I see Labour as the Party who play Mr Angryall the time. The reason is that they cannot raise new Scottish policies because they are unsuitable in England. That is the problem they cannot come to grips with.
Degree of Financial Autonomy is THE key issue and Labour will not take a position. If they took a position they could then debate the issue.
49

BIG EYE,

Paisley 23/09/2008 12:44:00
Nobody has done more to ensure the return of the Tories than Gordon Brown and his numpty Labour Party.

I can't believe this man had a job as a teacher what was it he was teaching? He seems to live in a fantasy land. Is he a JK Rowling creation?
50

Magic Hoops 2,

Kirkcaldy....Browns last stand!! 23/09/2008 13:01:32

Oor Gordy Broon
After the UK Government lost their 3rd safest seat in Scotland at the Glasgow East By Election i decided to write some words of condolence for our much loved Government.........

Dear Gordon Brown (=

We, the people of Great Britain hope you had a smashing time at Westminster courtesy of our expenses. Now your time there is nearing an end you will be looking forward to coming home to live in the nice little cosy constituency you have moulded for your fast approaching retirement.

We dearly hope you have remembered to contribute to your pension during your busy schedule as Prime Minister as things back home have became grim since the Arch Angel Of Recession came knocking to claim its first helpless souls.

As this leads to rises in food prices it doesnt take a chimp (then again maybe it does) to work out there may be some devastated people come Christmas time when they look down at their plates and their Turkeys been replaced with the late family budgie "Dave" who until just a couple of flaps and a fist clench ago was happily engaged in picking a fight with his reflection as he probably keeps forgetting what he looks like. Maybe thats why you never see a budgie advertising for a mate in the dating column of the Evening Telegraph .......................so poor Dave bites the dust.....the kids are scarred for life and now need several intensive counselling sessions as they now think Santa is the boogyman ..... and theres not even a conselation Yorkshire Pudding

. Oops almost forgot....some sticky fingered hoodie has been helping himself to the pension fund to fund an Adventure holiday in Iraq & Afghanistanin for him and his mates to have a fun time running riot and making a nuisance of themselves....you wouldnt happen to know anything about that would you????

One other thing.....there seems to be a growing interest in your favourite chair here from other members of the opposite heirachy. They seem to think the clown theme on the upholst
51

Magic Hoops 2,

23/09/2008 13:02:42
upholsterty is a tad laid back and are making arrangements to donate it to the Clown Club in Washington DC as there is rumours they will be selcting a new leader in the near future.

I know you must have a real bad back with all that pressure you have been taking on recently so as a token of gratitude for your long service to our constituency we have arranged for you to be accomodated in a state of the art politics centre aka The EU along side your old komrat Herr Blair.

Herr Blair told me to say he is looking forward to your renunion and that the troughs are bigger there they really treat you well. Dont worry about us we will hold the fort. as First Minister Salmond is like a Father to us now he keeps the boogyman Mr George Dubya Bush away so we can all sleep well knowing we wont wake up wearing stars and stripes pyjamas

P.S Can you please pass on a wee friendly message to your dear friend Mr Cameron advising him of his personal hygiene standards which are well below EU standards. He needs a decent haircut and hes scaring the immigrants more than he scares the kids.....as they're more worried about Santa

Best Regards

Magic Hoops 2

care of and on behalf of legions of disgruntled voters
52

Magic Hoops 2,

23/09/2008 13:06:34
We, the people of Great Britain hope you had a smashing time at Westminster courtesy of our expenses

should read

"...we the people of Scotland".....not Gr rrr rr eeaaa....ach canny bring masel tae say it man :-)
53

danielrober,

23/09/2008 13:10:26
# 47 Darien,Panama

Whats it next. You have English friends.

The SNP two dimensional approach to politics is laughable and damaging. You hurl insults around hoping to cause damage (collateral damage as well as deliberate). Trying to put the labour party into the role of Natizes.

Some of you guys really are crazy. Do you actually think for one second a well educated Norwegian is going to fall for such lies. If you think this is the case then i just feel sorry for you.

Chatting to your mates all the time, rewriting this or that piece of history has obviously sent some you nuts. That as shame, as the SNP need to be responsible with the people and economy of Scotland.

You really need to calm down, or maybe stop using mulitple monikers.
54

danielrober,

23/09/2008 13:17:32
Any comments from the saner side of the SNP.

People reading this from abroad really need to understand that not everyone in this part of the world is so extreme. Most just go to work, have some fun, meet their mates, have kids and get on with life.

Its a no bad place Scotland, its just full of passions (quite healthy).
55

lulach mac gille coemgain,

23/09/2008 13:19:31
Many Labour Smokers . . . oops I mean voters just Can’t Give up their bad habit of a lifetime so they’ll be havin’ their wee vote too - cause their mums and dads got made too vote labour, they will! - but hey! there are some oot there who will realise how well Labour have protected Scotlands interest or not as the case may be and try something for the betterment of Scotland and NOT vote Labour.


56

TWC,

Ayrshire 23/09/2008 13:23:08
I'm not a member of SNP but I am unhappy with the way we are Governed. The SNP want Independence and the Lib Dems want more Fiscal freedom(amount to be defined)
I want Full fiscal Autonomy and the ability to run our own country. I'll chose one or the other when the referendum comes.
57

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

23/09/2008 13:25:53
#46 Disagree Daniel. The SNP don't want everything to fail - they need some successes to show that they can govern well. I would suggest that their strategy is to take the credit for everything that is going well and pass the buck on everything that doesn't. For example, look at LIT - if it works (and I have doubts - but that is another debate) they will take the glory; if it fails you can bet your bottom dollar that Westminster, either directly or indirectly, gets the blame.

It's not a new strategy either - it has been taken straight from the NuLabour election handbook.
58

danielrober,

23/09/2008 13:45:58
# 58 Fed

I have no problem admitting I'm on a learning curve here. Its just that some of the SNP political policies remind me of the industrial policies, quite frankly, of companies that no longer exist. They were just too confrontational.
59

Peter,

The end is nigh 23/09/2008 13:58:38
Daniel - what you do not understand is folk who vote for the SNP can not understand why you are happy living off of Westminster Pocket money doled out to Scotland depending on whether we behave and vote Liebour or are bad and vote SNP. Some of us think it is time that we grew up and took responsibility for our own nation again after 300 years of neo-colonial rule as admitted by many Secretaries of State for Scotland who stated the Scottish Office was the last colonial office. The same state of mind and impact of being viewed as a colony, is discussed at length in Carol Craig's book 'The Scottish crisis of Confidence'.

£30 billion plus to save Northern Rock, £27 billion to run all Scotland's Public Services.......
60

roughrider,

Glasgow 23/09/2008 16:02:20
Gray stakes his reputation on winning in Glenrothes.
Bye bye Mr Gray.
61

Rational cynic,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 16:53:15
Hmm, more of the usual small minded comments ...

Question - would an independent Scotland have been able to save HBOS?
62

roughrider,

Glasgow 23/09/2008 17:01:54
Urging his party to "face outwards, not in" and rediscover its "self-belief", he added: "Now is the time to unite behind our Prime Minister Gordon Brown and fight shoulder to shoulder and side by side with him for the fairer future we know we can have."
Ha ha ha ha.
Small minded and deluded ,eh Mr Grey.
63

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

23/09/2008 17:37:29
I will stake my reputation on Labour losing the Glenrothes by-election.

The only way Labour could win is if Brown went before the by-election - there are more chances of Alex Salmond defecting to Nu Labour and becoming its next leader than that happening.

Brown needs to realise that not only is he the problem but he is the man who has created most of the problems.
64

cataibh,

Over the Struie 23/09/2008 17:58:51
#62 I don't know could you enlighten me?
65

cataibh,

Over the Struie 23/09/2008 17:58:51
#62 I don't know could you enlighten me?
66

An Beal Bacht,

23/09/2008 18:26:57
"Gray stakes his reputation on winning in Glenrothes"

He willnae be losing much then.

67

Darien,

Panama 23/09/2008 19:55:44
#54: As I said, You would have made a good speech writer for Ernst Röhm. Your text in #54 demonstrates again your apt qualifications, as in #46.
68

danielrober,

23/09/2008 21:01:42
# 67 Hen Broon

I agree with paragraph 1, slightly disagree with paragraph 2 and strongly disagree with paragraph 3.

Still we can't let these comments be dominated by any side? If that happens the international community, many of whom are investors and customer's, will get the wrong idea.

Democracy and debate + a little arguing here and there (very healthy).
69

GlenrothesSpoon,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 23:25:55
thought you might enjoy this:
http://glenrothesspoon.proboards74.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=241
:)
70

1745,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:58:22
Beware the Ides of March or in Gray's case beware the 6th November.....
Still he can blame the SNP for his lost reputation.
71

Number 6,

Germany 24/09/2008 13:32:23
Better get your CV off to Brussels sharpish Gray , because Labour are in for another humiliating trouncing in Glenrothes. Not that we would have expected some one from the "Heads in the sand" Party to see it coming.

Comical to see the unionistas on this site deriding the SNP while the "Party of the working man", that brought you "Some of the most deprived areas in Europe",are being trounced in every single poll you care to mention.

Fortunately, there were plenty of Labour voters in Scotland, who genuinely thought Labour was in the best interests of Scotland, but now realise that is no longer the case.

Where do the unionistas think the SNP are getting these votes from ?. Thin air ? . No , it's Labour voters coming to their senses. Welcome aboard.
72

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 24/09/2008 17:50:23
After Broon's pathetic performance in Manchester, your reputation is likely to be in shreds Mr Gray.

 

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