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Labour to postpone leadership vote to concentrate on vital by-election



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Published Date: 02 July 2008
LABOUR Party managers are so concerned at the prospect of losing the crucial Glasgow East by-election later this month that they are preparing to postpone the contest to replace Wendy Alexander as Scottish leader until after polling day, it emerged yesterday.
The Labour committee which will draw up the timetable for the Scottish leadership election will meet in Glasgow today or tomorrow.

It is expected to call for nominations for the leadership to come forward but to announce the campaign will not s
tart properly until 28 July – the Monday after the 24 July by-election.

One senior Labour source said the party wanted "no distractions" from the forthcoming by-election and there was a desire to allow the by-election campaign to be fought in isolation – away from the leadership election – because of the strong challenge expected from the SNP.

Yesterday, Charlie Gordon, the former Glasgow City Council leader, emerged as the latest potential candidate, saying he was "considering" standing for the leadership.

However, Mr Gordon's candidacy was not taken very seriously by his fellow MSPs, particularly because he solicited the now-infamous donation from Jersey businessman Paul Green which triggered the process which led to Ms Alexander's downfall.

If Mr Gordon does stand, he is likely to face competition from Iain Gray, the former enterprise minister and Cathy Jamieson, the party's current deputy leader. He may also face Andy Kerr, the former health minister and Margaret Curran, the former communities minister, although both of these MSPs are wavering on whether or not to run.

The writ for the by-election in Glasgow East was moved in the Commons yesterday. Polling day, 24 July, is in the middle of the Glasgow Fair holiday.

The SNP will have to overturn a 13,500 Labour majority and secure a swing of 22 per cent to win the seat. Despite this, the Nationalists were yesterday named as the favourite to win the seat with one leading firm of bookmakers.

Early yesterday, the SNP began campaigning by accusing Labour of disenfranchising voters by choosing such an overt holiday period for the poll.

Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, said: "Their tactics to remove people from the by-election by holding it during the Glasgow Fair will backfire badly and the SNP will fight a strong campaign to win.

"The deadline for getting a postal vote is 9 July – people in Glasgow East must make sure Labour does not succeed in disenfranchising them."

However, David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October.

" People must not go without a local champion who will speak up for them."

Meanwhile, the Tories announced Davena Rankin, a trade unionist, would represent the party in the by-election.

PROFILE

DAVENA Rankin was chosen last night as the Conservative candidate for the Glasgow East by-election.

As a non-white woman and a leading trade unionist, Ms Rankin is not the normal sort of Tory candidate.

She was brought up and educated in Glasgow before going to Sussex University.

Ms Rankin did Royal Navy basic training as an officer in 1997 before moving to Glasgow University to help develop its commercial and entrepreneurial initiatives.

She stood for the Tories in Glasgow Cathcart in the 2007 Scottish election, securing 2,324 votes in fourth place.

Conservative Party managers believe Ms Rankin will give them the local touch that they need, as well as the experience of having fought elections before.

Ms Rankin said: "For too long the Labour Party has taken Glasgow for granted, Labour has abused and neglected Glasgow when it should have been standing up and fighting for the people of this city." Labour and the SNP are expected to pick their candidates for the by-election tomorrow.



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1

cataibh,

over the Struie 02/07/2008 00:08:40
Bring it on
2

ThomasP,

02/07/2008 00:16:47
Bring it on!!!

SNP are going for the knock-out blow.
3

Ken_Fitlike,

02/07/2008 00:17:30

David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October...."

What a crawling low lying snake you are Cairns.

Slithering.
4

Ken_Fitlike,

02/07/2008 00:20:15

Mr Gordon's ......was not taken very seriously

ha ha ha ha ha ha

5

Ken_Fitlike,

02/07/2008 00:27:56


Does anyone fancy donating to Cahrlie Gordon's Leadership Campaign

Monopoly money to the tune of £950 would be good.

Send it in whilst on their summer holidays, preferable postmarked from outside the UK if you can, Jersey will do fine.
6

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 02/07/2008 00:29:42
Key issue in the by-election: Referendum. They can't say it's nothing to do with London when Brown has blocked it..

All of Wendy's possible successors have no clue about what to say on the subject. Will they back a referendum? Yes or No?
7

Ken_Fitlike,

02/07/2008 00:41:16
Cost of Living
10% Tax Rate/ Fuel Duty / Windfall Oil Money
Good chance to question GCC over their LIT stance

Housing
GHA Second Stage Transfer Failure
Expansion of Homestake
Commonwealth Regeneration

Crime
Failure of ASBO's / SNP Alcohol Proposals
Reinvestment of Criminal's Money in Youth Projects

Education
Chance to question Labour GCC over refusal to implement P1-3 Class Sizes
Expansion of Part-Time Higher Education Grants

HomeSTAKE is a government scheme that allows people to buy a part share of their property, making it more affordable, i.e. people take out a mortgage on 70% and an association or other Registered Social landlord takes 20% ownership..... it's very successful an a good way for young families to make their first step onto the property ladder if they wish..... the SNP have recently expanded it.

The housing issue will be very important tI suspect, what with the Commonwealth Games regeneration, the potential SNP Candidate is very well aquanited with the issues surrounding the failure of GHA, John Mason is on the management committee of Tenant Controlled Housing which aims to give local tenants control of their housing in place of Glasgow Housing Association (GHA).

Bring it on indeed
8

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 02/07/2008 01:42:01
Cairns is so low he could walk under a snake.
9

Edward,

02/07/2008 01:46:37
'David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October'
And thats because......what exactly?
He is talking absolute guff, there is no 'special' months to hold elections or by-elections, they can be held anytime as long as there is adequate notice
10

Edward,

02/07/2008 02:01:43
I watched a report on BBC's Reporting Scotland last night, the package covered the Glasgow East constituency and how it had high unemployment, the area was generally run down. People interviewed talked about not feeling safe as there were areas where gangs roamed. Then I thought, what on earth had the Labour MP David Marshall and his predecessor Jimmy Wray, plus the Labour city council actually acheive in all those years?? What I saw was a disgrace in the 21st century, it was an image of run down squallor.
According to todays Times (http://tinyurl.com/5l9d4e
) quote'It contains large areas that rate highly on the indices of multiple deprivation, with poor housing, unemployment, drugs and antisocial behaviour causes of concern' Scots Labour voters should be ashamed of this. Labour have been in control in Scotland for over 50 years. Labour have been the government for the last 11 years and the Scottish Government for the last 9 years. Plenty time to have resolved issues. If anyone actually votes Labour on July 24th, they really need their heads examined!
11

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Kinglassie Foothils 02/07/2008 03:44:59
Edward my dear chap,

According to todays Times (http://tinyurl.com/5l9d4e
) quote'It contains large areas that rate highly on the indices of multiple deprivation, with poor housing, unemployment, drugs and antisocial behaviour causes of concern' Scots Labour voters should be ashamed of this. Labour have been in control in Scotland for over 50 years. Labour have been the government for the last 11 years and the Scottish Government for the last 9 years. Plenty time to have resolved issues. If anyone actually votes Labour on July 24th, they really need their heads examined!

I could not put it any better. Really for anybody to be voting for Labour at any election given thier shocking record then thay really should get some serious phycological counseling.
12

Traquir , Alba,

02/07/2008 03:46:30
Glasgow East will be a tough battle for the SNP,
but cracks are already showing and the SNP has
already made major inroads into Glasgow politics
which is terrifying Labour. Prior to 2007 Labour
had for decades been effectively a totalitarian
regime with 80% or more of
the councillors. Prior to 2007 there
were 71 Labour councillors and
4 SNP councillors out of a council of 79.
After 2007 there are now 45 Labour councillors
and 22 SNP councillors out of a council of 79 which
is massive switch in political power and the
first time there has be a credible opposition.

see - tinyurl.com/52zfos

Specifically for Glasgow East, the wards covering
the district are Baillieston & Shettleston.
Council Ward 20 - Baillieston which
forms most of Glasgow East , two out of the four councillors are SNP.

John Mason
john.mason@glasgow.gov.uk
David McDonald
david.mcdonald@councillors.glasgow.gov.uk

see - tinyurl.com/2s3pld

In Shettleston one of the four councillors is SNP

John McLaughlin
john.mclaughlin@councillors.glasgow.gov.uk

3 out of 8 councillors in this Labour "stronghold"
is not a bad start. Since their election of
course the SNP have got stronger and Labour has
been imploding. Once the good
people of Glasgow East hear that their MP David Marshall has being scamming them for years no doubt
this will be something even the die-hard Labour
supporters will be disgusted at.

Glasgow East is clearly in play as evidenced by
Brown running scared and making this
by-election happen as quickly
as possible to try and prevent the SNP building
up momentum. Of course the Scottish media especially
The Herald will no doubt assist Brown as much
as possible so it is critical we all work together to
ensure a victory for the SNP. I am sure each of
the councillors above would be delighted
to have volunteers and they will be able to
provide detail information on the local area and
what they believe will be most effective
to win this seat.
13

Traquir , Alba,

02/07/2008 04:00:18
From the London Times there is another major
piece of research which appears to have been accidentally missed by The Scotsman.

"Expert panel predicts Labour will lose seat in July poll"

see tinyurl.com/57krep

Key quotes are :

"Labour's fears were reinforced yesterday when Britain's most authoritative survey of political experts predicted that the party would lose the by-election to the SNP, which needs a 22 per cent
swing to triumph.

The Phi100 panel's prediction will cause a shudder of fear in Labour from the Prime Minister downwards since it would be a devastating blow to the party and make Gordon Brown's position well-nigh untenable.

The politically balanced panel, which includes politicians and strategists from all the parties, has established a reputation as the most accurate predictor of election outcomes.

It was the first correctly to forecast that Boris Johnson would be elected Mayor of London and also accurately predicted the outcomes of the by-elections in Crewe & Nantwich and Henley. The majority of panel experts, 55 per cent, think that the result will be a SNP win with a narrow majority.

A further 10 per cent of the panel believe that the SNP will win comfortably. Labour in 2005 had a 13,507 majority in the seat. "

The full PHI100 survey can be found at - tinyurl.com/55c9r8

Glasgow East could become instrumental in wiping the
"Scottish" Labour Party off the face of the Scottish
political landscape, and not before time.
The inbreeding results of a five decades of totalitarian regime could not be
any more self-evident that the collection of
deformed sycophants who make up the so called
opposition in the Scottish parliament. Scotland
deserves so much better than this.

Saor Alba
14

Traquir , Alba,

02/07/2008 04:03:47
At least The Herald picked up on this one which
was missed by The Scotsman.

"Bookies put Labour as odds-on to lose the Scottish seat left vacant by the resignation of David Marshall on health grounds. His majority was 13,507. Ladbrokes placed the SNP at 8/13 to win, with Labour at 6/5."

see - tinyurl.com/5df3m8
15

Keren, It's time,

02/07/2008 05:49:30
Can someone pleae explain in Scotsman speak what is a 'non white woman'?? Is she is black then why not say so? Seems the Scotsman is living in the days of apartheid South Africa...
16

democracy,

Scottish Borders 02/07/2008 05:56:57
Is this the same Iain Gray who was on Newsnight Scotland being interviewed by Gordon Brewer and was left like a jelly stuttering and stammering through the
interrogation? Yes he is perfect to lead this useless, self-serving contrived Scottish New Labour regime into total annihilation.

I think the best candidate for this position, without a doubt, would be, yes..... wait for it..............
.......David "Parochial McChattering" Cairns, now HE is the one to challenge Mr A.Salmond at Holyrood fighting for Scotland on behalf of the contemptuous Scottish New Labour Regime! No, I just could not bring myself to do this to poor little David, as much as I despise the weedy,toady,anti-Scottish tw*t,I just couln't stand the blood bath!

No, the only way to save Gordon Brown's career is for him to become the Leader of Scottish New Labour at Holyrood,.........YES!!!!!!
17

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 06:17:49
Good to see the natz keep up their campaign to drag Scottish politics into the gutter. They seem incapable of making a political point without personal attack. (So in the spirit of what's sauce for the goose....) That's what comes of being a single-issue campaign rather than a political party I suppose.
Another problem for the SNP is their core support is little more than swivel-eyed teuchters with an inferiority complex and crypto-fascist nutters with a penchant for wearing skirts.
In the meantime, hats of to Charlie Gordon for demonstrating so ably the true meaning of the word, chutzpah!
18

Raygn,

Stirling 02/07/2008 06:26:39
This story touches upon one of Labour's fundamental problems.The Scottish wing of the British Labour party cannot operate independently and must give way to National (UK) priorities therefore who will lead them in the Scottish Parliament must take a back seat to a by-election. Further proof if any were needed as to how the Scottish in the Scottish Labour Party title actually means very little to them.
19

steve 1511,

aberdeen 02/07/2008 06:29:47
charlie gordon of the brown envelopes a man of integrity and honesty? who shows no shame for his actions. a perfect example of a labour msp of the sleaze and corruption party ,fits the profile for a labour leader at holyrood,lets get his campaign under way,bungs for charlie please
20

donald,

glasgow 02/07/2008 06:45:01
Typical London Labour racist rant from Grahamski.
21

Jimmy the Pie,

02/07/2008 06:47:06
I wonder if there are any electorate who believe a word that flows from the mouth of David Cairns?

Self-serving, arrogant, deluded, utterly selfish are just a few adjectives that can be used when speaking about Cairns or any other of the New Labour Sleaze cabal.

It really is time for the clear out of all clear outs.

Vote SNP for ALL the people of Scotland
22

TommyKaye,

UK 02/07/2008 06:58:31
Glasgow is like the former Yugoslavia although no one is brave enough to say it in public.

Mired in religious bigotry corrupt and crime ridden.

Glasgow while full of talent and spectacular human beings remains a mess and a blight.

Labour have done nothing but fil their boots and prop up westminster with Scottish fodder.

Wake up for christs sake it is 2008 and not 1908.

23

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 07:18:06
With a 13,500 majority, it is highly unlikely that a safe Labour seat like Glasgow East should fall to the Nationalists, or indeed any other party.

However, a by-election can be tricky for the sitting
MP, who sometimes has to contend with a mid-term anti-government protest, and low turnout due to apathy amongst the voters.

IF the Nationalists should somehow reduce this massive majority by a large margin or, less improbably win outright, then Scottish politics might never be the same again? Such a defeat would be a catastrophe for
the Labour Party in Scotland!
24

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 02/07/2008 07:31:07
OK OK. But what excactly ARE SNP plans for Glasgow East?

Being rude about the other parties is not a proper election platform. Offering independence is not a solution there either. So, please, SNP, now you hold the Holyrood Ring of Power, what the bl**** he** are you going to do with it for Glasgow Eastenders?
25

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 07:33:59
20
London Labour? I'm from Falkirk! Where on earth did you get London Labour from? Sounds suspiciously like the kind of thinly-veiled racism the natz specialise in. For shame.
26

Linda,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 07:38:58
According to Daily Mail on Monday, David Marshall's shock resignation came after rumours swept Westminster that he was about to be engulfed in a row over expenses payments to family members.

Senior Labour sources dismissed reports that the Glasgow East MP's resignation was entirely the result of his health problems.

They said privately that former bus conductor Mr Marshall, 67, was quitting his safe seat to avoid becoming the latest MP to be embroiled in allegations of misuse of expenses.


27

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 07:42:47
26
Dirty campaign? Never!
28

John S,

02/07/2008 07:46:03
However, David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October.Is this because Parliament is in recess from 22 July 2008 to 6 October 2008.
" People must not go without a local champion who will speak up for them." so the local champion who will speak up for his/her constituents must wait until they attend Parliament in October.
So is the 24 July deliberately choosen because it is in the middle of the Glasgow Fair holiday ?
29

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 07:48:35
28
When does Westminster break for summer? See nationalists, see infantile conspiraccy theories....
30

LEAL,

02/07/2008 08:06:10
Grahamski 17
"penchant for wearing skirts".You continue to belittle Scottish culture.Sad.How about trying to be a bit more positive.What are the benefits of the union?
31

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 08:12:41
32
Belittle Scottish culture? Never. Belittle those who would use Scottish 'culture' as a political weapon? Absolutely.
Benefits of the union? What did the Romans ever do for us, eh? Sounds like you've been rehearsing your routines at the Inverstoorie branch of the Alba Popular Front again, Leal.
32

mr angry,

ayrshire 02/07/2008 08:25:16
#35 Go back to your dolls and stop pretending to be an adult.
33

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 08:28:35
36
Yikes.
Perhaps you should consider management courses, Mr Angry?
34

MisterN,

Scotland 02/07/2008 08:37:21
35

So what are the benefits to Scotland within the union?
We have yet to see any so called unionist troll on these forums put up a positive message for the union instead we get the same tired old lying tripe of negative opinion and wishful thinking attacks on SNP policy why dont you break the mold and tell us why we are so much better off in the Union rather than running our own affairs with control over our own assets?
35

Jimmy the Pie,

02/07/2008 08:37:25
#37 Grahamski


As I've told you before, remember the old Scottish proverb

"If you've nothing intelligent to say, say nothing."
36

LEAL,

02/07/2008 08:47:39
35 Grahamski.
Still negative.Inverstoorie branch of Alba Popular Front?Not me.But if such a thing existed it would be better supported than Labour Party local branches.And solvent.No,my politics are mainstream,21st century Scottish.In tune with the thinking of most Scots.
37

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 08:55:40
38
Unionist troll? And you wonder why the cyber natz get a bad name? Any idea why no sensible person engages with the infantile nonsense peddled by most natz?
38

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 08:56:45
40
'In tune with the thinking of most Scots.'
Against independence then?
39

LEAL,

02/07/2008 08:57:33
OK,lets have some real debate on the benefits of union.Since the pro union lobby cant come up with anything,I'll throw one in to get the ball rolling.
Would Andy Murray enjoy the backing of the Wimbledon crowd post independence?
40

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

02/07/2008 09:00:53
#43 - I see no reason why not. I have faily in England like a lot of SNP supporters. I will not be severing ties with them either. They on a governmental level will have their affairs dealt with, we like wise will also have our affairs taken care of by our seperate governments.

No wailing and no gnashing of teeth.

41

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

02/07/2008 09:01:36
family not faily
cr-a-p keyboard
42

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 02/07/2008 09:03:34
What are SNP plans to rescue Glasgow Eastenders? Or will they have to wait until 2010 to find out?
43

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

02/07/2008 09:06:02
#46 - they allready are helping them in goverment by reversing the years of Labour decay and numptie miss management.
44

Alasdair,

02/07/2008 09:06:48
#35, Grahamski - your "what did the Romans do for us" comment is typically disengenuous.
We are talking about an area with amongst the WORST health and deprivation in Scotland, the UK, and indeed Western Europe.

That's not a case of "there's room for improvement". It's at the very poorest end of the table.

So you tell me - what did "the Romans" do for Shettleston precisely?
45

Alasdair,

02/07/2008 09:12:32
More hypocrisy from Grahamski:
============
#41, Grahamski,Falkirk 02/07/2008 08:55:40
38
Unionist troll? And you wonder why the cyber natz get a bad name? Any idea why no sensible person engages with the infantile nonsense peddled by most natz?
===========
That's your quote, Grahamski???

You complian about infantile posts, yet insist on using that "natz" drivel?
At what point will that become old?

fyi - it's not funny, it certainly doesn't encourage mature debate, and it undermines whatever points you wish to make.
46

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:20:34
48
We were actually talking about Scotland, however your comment is typically disengenuous to suggest otherwise.
In the meantime I'll leave you to your schoolboy conspiracy theories and amateur-hour economics. I'm really not at all interested in the quite frankly outlandish views held by the SNP.
One thing I am sure of though: the problems of the East end of Glasgow will not be solved by pseudo-gaels bitching about the English.
47

frank mcbride,

lusitania 02/07/2008 09:24:05
# Grahamski.

When will you stop being the mouthpiece of ex-Provost Goldie and Mr Joyce MP?

Why have you not taken the same path as Dennis Canavaghan, in rejecting NuLabour?

Your principles are,obvious, more akin to Messrs Goldie and Joyce. Says it all, really.
48

Grahamski,

02/07/2008 09:25:32
50
Natz drivel? What about the Liebour Party, is that acceptable?
When the natz give up the infantile Liebour Party schtick, I'll give up the Scottish Nazi Party schtick, fair dos?
49

roughrider,

Glasgow 02/07/2008 09:25:53
Grahamski.
Keep up the good work for the party of sleaze and corruption, your pathetic rants only enhance support for the SNP.Childish ,ignorant and full of hatred.
Like labour no one can take a word you say seriously.
50

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:27:38
54
Frankie boy,
Obviously you know nothing about Falkirk. Mr Canavan supported Labour at the last election. However, don't let the facts get in the way of your delusional rants, eh?
51

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:30:03
58
A truly repellant but sadly typical post. Is there nothing the nats won't exploit to make some cheap, snide irrelevant political point?
52

MisterN,

Scotland 02/07/2008 09:31:20
41

Yep definatley another troll account. Not going to give us the benefits then? of course not there arent any. Just on here to gob off for a sh*t stir.
Enjoy you sad little man.
53

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:33:53
62
My MP has his surgreries at his office in the constituency. I know you natz like to imagine everybody against you is English, but this is ridiculous!
54

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:36:30
61
There are no benefits to Scotland being part of the UK? That is your postion is it?
Bizarre.
55

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:39:53
64
Tell you what, I've more respect for the people of Iraq and our brave armed forces. You use them to make your pathetic and snide wee points. I refuse.
56

Alasdair,

02/07/2008 09:40:27
53 Grahamski - in what way was my comment "typically disengenuous"? I don't post a great deal on here, so I'd be surprised if you'd built up a great knowledge of my nonsense, disengenuous or otherwise..

Anyway - why not answer my question? I'll accept that I should have realised you were talking about the whole of Scotland, and now you tell me, with reference to this by-election, what would you say "the Romans" have done for Shettleston??
You want serious debate? Go for it.


Also, in post #56 you ask: "Natz drivel? What about the Liebour Party, is that acceptable?"
In my opinion, no. It also does nothing to further debate. But then, I don't say it.

My point is this, irrespective of what other people do, YOU are the one complaining about "infantile" posts. Therefore, if YOUR POSTS feature infantile jibes, you're indulging in a spot of hypocrisy, no?


57

MisterN,

Scotland 02/07/2008 09:40:59
66

There are far far far far far more benefits for Scotland going Independent than to remain part of this corrupt regime trying badly to pass itself off as a democracy.
Why remain as an ethnic minority drowned out by an ethnic majority when you can be your own ethnic majority in your own nation?
Would the English accept the UK in reverse? not f*cking likely.
58

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 09:41:49
65
There is something deeply offensive about the natz instinct for personal attack.
59

Mikey,

02/07/2008 09:43:01
OK, Grahamski. I'm very open to arguements as to why people should vote for Labour at the byelection.

Just give us all one good reason to believe that the Labour Party will try to make the lot of these people better and maybe you will garner some votes. And please, enough of the reactive slandering. Just tell us what the Labour Party would do to make the citizens of Glasgow East have a better life?

I'm not belittleing you or slagging you. I'm genuinely interested in finding out what has changed in the Labour Party over the last year!
60

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

02/07/2008 09:44:49
#70- you ome on here daily stir people up , get flamed as is your intention then bitch about it! - Your a right eejit.
61

MisterN,

02/07/2008 09:45:19
70

There is something deeply disturbing about a lets assume grown man comming onto a cyber blog under several accounts simply to stir sh*t with inane provocative lying drivel. And to do it morning noon and night full time.
What a f*ck up.
62

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 02/07/2008 09:46:24
A lot of the problems in Glasgow East are self inflicted. Smoking and drink. The last Lab/Libdem policy od no smoking in public places ought to have helped. The policy trialled in Dundee of giving food vouchers to those giving up smoking will need time to see how it is working. The SNP's serious attempt to curtail alcohol consumption might make inroads into the drink problem. When people with limited incomes spend a disproprtionate amount of that income on drink and fags it is little wonder that poverty and bad health is the result. I assume the area lacks sufficient middle class families and households which tend to steer communities and schools towards self-improvement and help to break the dependency mindset in an area.
63

brownlie,

02/07/2008 09:52:09
17 Grahamski

Congratulations. Your posting is a tremendous boost to our unionist cause and will have surely convinced the "don't knows" among the Glasgow East electorate to vote for a unionist party.

You will, no doubt, have facts and figures to show that the SNP support comprises of "teuchters".

I understand that "teuchters" are generally regarded as rural Scots - usually from the North of Scotland. As there cannot be many of them in Glasgow East, by your reasoning, the SNP need not bother turning up.

Do you think that would happen?

I see from your posting at 70 that "there is something deeply offensive about the natz instinct for personal attack".

Pleased to see that there is no evidence of anything remotely similar in your posting at 17.

Keep up the good work - postings like yours will be an effective weapon in this bye-election!!
64

frank mcbride,

lusitania 02/07/2008 09:55:33
# Rules.

If you would take some time to read the SNP 2007 Manifesto, it may give you some clues as to what an SNP Government want to do, and this is only in terms of a Devolved Government.

You may have noticed that it is progressing much of these Manifesto commitments, despite being a Minority Government.

Despite NuLabour negativity the Minority SNP Government has made some progress in tackling student poverty (student endowments), health poverty (prescrition charges and A&E) and poverty, in general (No CT rise).
It has also made progress in supporting small business; de facto, helping to support local economies which will consequently help to lower poverty levels.

These are a few pointers that support a vote for the SNP, in the Glasgow E constituency; they apply equally to all Scottish constituencies.

What can you point to, as reasons to support any of the Unionist Parties?

Perhaps, shifting the tax burden from the rich to the poor?
Perhaps, implementing policies that ensure that the gap between rich and poor widens?
Perhaps, supporting illegal wars which kill and main millions of innocent civilians, kill and maim 1000s of British service personnel, and cost £bns, which could be more profitably spent?

Rules, plese, do tell!!!

FOR A FAIRER & MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.
65

European Scot,

02/07/2008 10:00:03
70 Grahamski

"There is something deeply offensive about the natz instinct for personal attack."

There is something deeply offensive about using the term Natz.
Where is the Z in Nationalist ?
Or could it be it looks closer to the word Nazi.
You have the nerve to comment about being offensive.
66

Uilleam Mor,

Harare Scotland 02/07/2008 10:08:07
Why on earth has this by-election sprung with so much haste.

I mean Jack(two jobs) mcConnel is hanging on and in David Davis's constituency Labour are not even fielding a candidate

Why also is the by-election being scheduled to land right in the middle of the Glasgow Fair holliday when the peak numbers of Glaswegians traditionally take their holidays.

All in a constituency which had a turnout of less than 30% at the last general election.

Yes, this is Labour showing its total and utter contempt for the electorate and the electoral process.

And then one wonders about the allegations that the resigning MP is doing so because of allegations about impropriety with reagrd to some £227,000 expense said to have been paid to his family.

67

Uilleam Mor,

02/07/2008 10:13:35
Oh and we don't report too much of this in the West of Scotland the noo.

Anyone, over East been looking at the Herald lately.

Aye it's web site is restricting comment again. No wonder at a time of redundancy in that fading journalthe call the Herald, that their King of Spin wee Dougie Fraser is getting a new sinecure with the publicly funded BBC.

Or am I mistaken again?
68

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:14:54
75
Ach Brownlie, and we were doing so well too, please don't slide back into your lame 'pretendy unionist' schtick. It's embarrassing....
69

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:18:50
79
You're mistaken again. They restrict comments to stop the natz launch personal attacks on the Herald employees. The Herald has a duty of care to their staff. Allowing anonymous yahoos to post attacks on your staff is not the sign of a good employer...
70

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:21:40
77
Any more offensive than Liebore? Anyway, if the (peaked) cap fits....
71

MisterN,

Scotland 02/07/2008 10:24:26
81

Well isnt it nice to see they take their duties so seriously now if only they could see their way to take their journalism duties just as seriously and print professionally, objectively, free of political bias and influence.
72

AJ Fife,

02/07/2008 10:25:49
Methinks Grahamski's days are numbered on this board!
73

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 02/07/2008 10:27:01
#81. You are the one not allowed to post on the Herald, Billy Liar for your lies and slanderous insulting attacks. If you are not banned let us see you making a post. You like your alter ego AM2 are nothing but a sad sad troll. No doubt paid by some bureaucratic organisation who does not check or care that you can spend all day on line spouting bile and vomit at their expense. Get a life. I think the BBC should be more rigorous with their IT systems and weed out the slime that infects them.


ALBA GU BRATH.
74

brownlie,

02/07/2008 10:32:16
80 Grahamski

I am the conscience of the unionist cause!!

You have never, to my recollection, posted anything constructive that our glorious unionist cause could do to help the poor in Scotland.

I know we unionists thrive on negativity but your brand of it is getting rather tedious and, to an extent, odious.

Please don't refer to "embarassing" whilst readers can still look at your previous postings!
75

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:33:46
83
The Herald is a newspaper. It doesn't need to be impartial or free of political balance. Indeed, that is part of a newspaper's charm.
76

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:36:26
85
Henry,
Aren't you a bit old to still believe in these hackneyed old conspiracy theories you still peddle? I can post on the Herald any time I want. I choose not to because the Herald boards are infested with psycho natz. Boring.
77

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:37:02
86
Oh behave!
78

Guga II,

Rockall 02/07/2008 10:39:46
I don't know why anyone bothers arguing with that Grhamski character. My parrot is more Scottish that he could ever hope to be.

As for this by-election, there are going to be a large number of voters who will continue to vote for a monkey with a red rosette; despite the fact that after 50 years under the control of the Labour Mafia, they are one of the poorest and unhealthiest parts of Scotland. If they continue to vote for the monkey, then they deserve all they get.

79

Alan B,

02/07/2008 10:42:46
None of the potential candidates for leader of labour at holyrood inspire any confidence. They all seem so poor.

It will take a truely excellent leader to transform the party from the morally and financially corrupt insitution that it has become.

Unfortunately party politics in scotland has so long followed the line of voting for the same party. Party politic democracy only really works when the people are willing to switch votes between parties.

Noone with any moral heart that takes an active interest in politics will want labour to win this by-election.
80

brownlie,

02/07/2008 10:48:17
89 Grahamski

"Oh behave!"

Compelling and constructive contribution from the master debater!!
81

PaulW,

Borders 02/07/2008 10:49:23
#90 Guga
You are probably right that the GCC jobs for the boys culture probably will still play to a moronic minority. The SNP have a good chance of winning, and to win would send seismic political shockwaves through the land, but all SNP supporters must work their socks off to achieve this. We must not assume that it will happen easily, because the Big Brother approach of Labour in the area, which has seen them win despite the despair and decay they have been complicit in, has worked before and the arm twisting will be at an all time high. Also watch out for postal vote fraud..........on a huge scale while voters are out of th country.

I would make a plea to the voters of Glasgow East - do your bit for Scotland, but mostly for yourselves and finally make a break with currupt and manipulative Labour and their policy of keeping you suppressed. Vote SNP and start a new chapter for Glasgow and help crate a new future for Scotland in the process.
82

PaulW,

Borders 02/07/2008 10:50:33
with apologies for my poor typing....
83

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:50:42
90
Priceless.
From the Life of Brian to the parrot sketch - I mean really, what an insult, I'm more Scottish than you! Life is never dull in the adolescent world of nat politics.
Good to see they still hold the working classes in such contempt. That'll play well in Glasgow...
84

Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 10:51:58
92
master debater
Hilarious
85

subrosa,

02/07/2008 10:55:05
# 67 'Tell you what, I've more respect for the people of Iraq and our brave armed forces.'

You don't have an ounce of respect for our military. You're a fanatical unionist and no unionist supports our armed forces. You and your ilk sent our military to these wars in Iraq and Afgahnistan.

I find it repulsive that you mention you 'respect' our armed forces. You should be ashamed.
86

The Spook in Leith,

02/07/2008 10:57:17
100
87

Alasdair,

02/07/2008 10:59:34
#96, Grahamski - you bemoan the level of debate, fair enough.
I posed you a straight question back in post #68 (and before).. any reply that we might debate?
88

brownlie,

02/07/2008 10:59:45
90 Guga

Come on, Guga, surely you've realised by now that Grahamski is a secret nat who successfully makes the unionist cause look ridiculous and nonsensical.

Incidentally, I'll be going up to Ness in a fortnight to try out the new restaurant. I hope none of your family are on the menu!!

89

The Spook in Leith,

02/07/2008 11:00:03
"The SNP will have to overturn a 13,500 Labour majority and secure a swing of 22 per cent to win the seat. Despite this, the Nationalists were yesterday named as the favourite to win the seat with one leading firm of bookmakers."

Does anyone know what the odds are and what bookmakers are predicting an SNP win ? Im up for a wee flutter..
90

brownlie,

02/07/2008 11:01:14
99 Spook

Get the abacus out again!!!

How's the Spartan's campaign looking?
91

The Spook in Leith,

02/07/2008 11:02:41
Hoi someone has just cancelled their account coz i had 100 and then it went back to 99,..102 comments but comment indicator shows 103..
92

The Spook in Leith,

02/07/2008 11:11:01
#103..brownlie..

The clubs bigwigs have done all the presentations over at Hampden park, now its just a matter of waiting for the 29 chairmen to present the winner tomorrow, none of the players have a scoobie who is going to the SFL but either way training will be interesting tomorrow..!!