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Published Date: 13 August 2008
IAIN Gray, one of the three Scottish Labour leadership candidates, received a significant boost yesterday when he was endorsed by Unite, Scotland's biggest trade union.
The former enterprise minister has already picked up considerable support from his fellow MSPs, Labour MPs at Westminster and the party's MEPs in Brussels in the race to succeed Wendy Alexander.

The fight for union support was expected to be tight
with Cathy Jamieson and Andy Kerr, the other two leadership contenders, in line to pick up significant union support.

But Mr Gray's success in getting the official backing of Unite – which was formed from the T&G and Amicus unions – represents a major success.

Unite members make up about half of the union vote for the Scottish Labour leadership. The other big union, Unison, was due to announce its preferred candidate this morning, with Mr Kerr favourite to win its backing.

Ms Jamieson has the support of three smaller unions, USDAW, Aslef and the National Union of Mineworkers, but she is expected to pick up the votes of many other union members, regardless of the recommendation of the union leaders.

Each union will pick a favoured candidate but it is up to individual members how they vote. The contest is being run on a one-member one-vote ballot which means union leaders can advise, but not force, their members to support their choice.

Mr Gray said: "I have been an active trade unionist all my life and I believe I have taken those values into my time in politics. I hope I can continue to do so if elected as leader.

"I believe I can offer Scottish Labour a new voice and a fresh start and I'm very happy with the positive response I've received to that message from elected politicians, trade unionists, and from party members across all parts of Scotland."

The three candidates expect to hear later today whether they have secured the backing of other constituency associations and trade unions, all of whom have until midday to register their formal backing of one of the candidates. By last night Mr Gray appeared to be in the lead, but with three candidates standing and the contest to be decided by all of Scotland's party members and trade unionists, any of the three could win.

Mr Kerr, the former health minister, was given a boost yesterday when he received the support of Scottish Labour Students. He highlighted the threat to students from the SNP's proposed local income tax and said: "It will only further deter students from the poorest backgrounds from going to university in the first place and the Scottish Labour Party must stand on the side of students on this issue.

"I firmly believe that students who need to work alongside their degrees should not be taxed for doing so."

Ms Jamieson used the backing of the shop workers' union USDAW yesterday to call for shop workers to be given the same legal protection as emergency workers.

Bar workers and other "frontline" workers dealing with the public should also be brought within the scope of the Emergency Workers Act, she said.

The move was backed by USDAW, which claims retail staff are increasingly suffering violence and threats of violence in their workplace.

Ms Jamieson said: "People who deal with the public provide a great service to our society, and should be able to go about their work without fear of attack or intimidation.

"I want to see the existing legislation widened to allow courts to deal with incidents as a specific offence carrying a maximum penalty of nine months in jail, a fine of £5,000 – or both."

WHAT NEXT?

THE Scottish Labour leadership will be decided by an electoral college with three sections.

One is made up of MPs, MSPs and MEPs, one of members of affiliated trade unions and societies and one of party members. All three sections have equal weight in the election.

Every trade unionist in an affiliated union and every party member will have a vote, regardless of the decision of union leaders or local associations to endorse particular candidates.

The winner will be the candidate who secures the biggest share of the vote once the votes from all three sections have been counted.



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1

Soup kitchen,

13/08/2008 00:03:02
Always good to have professional agitators on side.

If there is a risk of an economic sanity creeping into Scotland then he can give his pals the nod and they start to destroy Scotland a bit.
2

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

13/08/2008 00:05:04

Charlie Wheelan , Political Director of Unit, ex-spin doctor to Brown?

The Herald is reporting that Cathy and Kerr are reaching for the jimmy wigs and 'crying foul' that london is engineering a fix......

Shurely not


3

Oldnat,

13/08/2008 00:07:10
Unite. Is that one of the Unions facing legal action by its female members for short changing them over equal pay?

4

muppetfinder,

13/08/2008 00:21:13
"He highlighted the threat to students from the SNP's proposed local income tax and said: "It will only further deter students from the poorest backgrounds from going to university in the first place and the Scottish Labour Party must stand on the side of students on this issue."

more lies shows Kerr can't be trusted since most students don't earn enough to pay LIT.

is there anyone in Labour who can tell the truth.
5

muppetfinder,

13/08/2008 00:21:31
"He highlighted the threat to students from the SNP's proposed local income tax and said: "It will only further deter students from the poorest backgrounds from going to university in the first place and the Scottish Labour Party must stand on the side of students on this issue."

more lies shows Kerr can't be trusted since most students don't earn enough to pay LIT.

is there anyone in Labour who can tell the truth.
6

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 13/08/2008 00:22:59
Once again the London Labour establishment have signalled their support for Grey Gray. A safe puppet to dance to Westminster's strings has always been their goal.
7

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 13/08/2008 00:24:48
Kerr and Jamieson.. votes for sale, votes for sale.
8

Castaway,

13/08/2008 00:28:54
It is possible that next leader of the Labour MSP's in the Scottish Parliament could be elected having been rejected by the majority of their fellow MSP's.
9

Oldnat,

13/08/2008 00:41:25
#9 Castaway

We'll never know. 13 MSPs nominated Grey, 12 for Jamieson, 10 for Kerr, and 10 nominated nobody. I understand that they vote by STV.

The only thing sure is that they'll all swear loyalty to the anointed one, while trying to stab him/her in the back. Oh happy days!
10

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13/08/2008 00:51:20
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11

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 13/08/2008 00:52:33
YouGov poll, commissioned by the SNP, conducted 6-8 August, sample 1,028.
Scottish Parliament constituency vote [change from May 2007 in brackets]:

SNP: 44% [+11]
Labour: 25% [-7]
Lib Dem: 14% [-2]
Con: 13% [-4]
Other: 4% [+2]

Applying these figures to the Weber Shandwick Scotland Votes model, the SNP would win 58 of Scotland's 73 Holyrood first-past-the-post seats.
SNP - 58 constituency seats (plus 37)
Labour - 8 constituency seats (minus 29)
LibDems - 6 constituency seats (minus 5)
Tories - 1 constituency seat (minus 3)


According the Scotland Votes predictor, 44% constituency vote would give the SNP 58 seats.

In the last election, all of the major parties lost an average of 2% to the minor parties with the Greens getting about half of the minor party vote in the regional lists vote.

Using the constituency vote minus 2% for the major parties and Greens with half of the minor party vote, the regional list could be expected to be similar to this and the totals to this

Scottish Parliament (129 seats)
73 Const. seats, 56 Reg seats, majority is 65 total

Party (Reg) (Const) (Total)

SNP 42 (6)(58) (64)
Labour 23 (24) (8) (32)
LibDem 12 (9) (6) (15)
Tories 11 (12) (1) (13)
Green 6 (5) (0) (5)
Others 6 (0) (0) (0)

It is currently showing the SNP one seat short of an overall majority. With currently one independent, Margo McNab, a former SNP member, could that single vote be the difference?
12

Tris,

13/08/2008 00:57:26

#5.

No.... not one.
13

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 13/08/2008 01:01:19
Here is the data from YouGov.

http://www.yougov.com/uk/archives/pdf/SNP_website.pdf
14

Traquir , Alba,

13/08/2008 01:05:41
Talking of Unions here is a useful tip to
help put the last few nails in the "Scottish"
Labour coffin :

"The unions have donated over £60m to the Labour party in the last 6yrs and in return workers have been treated with disdain by the UK Government. If you want your union to spend it's money on fighting for members instead of bankrolling Labour please click on the link below."

http://tinyurl.com/stopsubsidizinglabour
15

Traquir , Alba,

13/08/2008 01:17:59
Interesting bit of Herald news story
priority shuffling yet again -
the following story went from top
headline to oblivion, which
is I guess more than the Scotsman could manage
since it went straight to oblivion :)

"SNP claims record poll lead over Labour"

Actually they were not "claiming" anything just stating
a commissioned YouGov poll putting the SNP
of 44% and Labour on 25%. Likely the SNP
had to commission a poll themselves as the Unionistas
appear to have stopped commissioning them or at
least publishing them, wonder why :)

- The Herald story can still be found
in The Herald catacombs at - tinyurl.com/snp44

Speaking of polls -
I wonder when the regular Sunday Herald
TNS tracking poll will be published,
it appears to be a little late I think it
was due ~July.

Just as a summary here are the results of
the regular Sunday Herald TNS poll so far, asking
the SNP Governments exact referendum question, excluding the don't knows -

Aug 2007: Yes(41.18%) No(58.82%)
Nov 2007: Yes(47.62%) No(52.38%)
Mar 2008: Yes(50.62%) No(49.38%)

see - tinyurl.com/5wsy22 (Aug 2007)
see - tinyurl.com/55qbvo (Nov 2007)
see - tinyurl.com/5f2o6z (Mar 2008)

I suspect even the blinkered Unionistas might be able
to pick up a trend here on the progression to the
extinction of this Union.

Saor Alba
16

Col. Blimp­IV*,

13/08/2008 01:27:52
#9 Castaway,

In a three donkey race...it's a near certainty.
17

Traquir , Alba,

13/08/2008 02:44:51

I can't seem the find the following positive story
on The Herald or The Scotsman :

"Alex Salmond yesterday launched the construction phase of transport giant FirstGroup’s new £20 million global headquarters "

see - tinyurl.com/56x3qu

And I thought the Unionistas told us that with an
SNP Government companies would flee the land
in terror - surely they did not lie to us (again)

Saor Alba
18

Castaway,

13/08/2008 05:06:21
#10 Oldnat and #17 Col. Blimp­IV.The point I was trying to make is if the Labour MSP's aren't trusted to elect their own leader by themselves then presumably its perfectly possible that they will find themselves saddled with a "leader" duly elected by the MPs, trade unionists, party members who they themselves might have rejected. This would have been more evident if there was only two candidates.
19

Boy Wonder,

13/08/2008 06:51:52
Union backing eh?? Watch your back then, Mr Grey. The knives are pointing to it!
20

Skyrat,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 07:25:39
Hmmm, I wonder if Unite polled their members before "endorsing" Mr Gray and speaking for all their members. I doubt it, and I find it incredibly presumptious of them. One of the reasons I left that other shower, Unison.
21

donald,

glasgow 13/08/2008 07:44:03
Union backing puts Gray in poll position.
Tame Unions back Tame Unionist.
22

MacGillicuddy,

13/08/2008 08:42:23
Gray, Jamieson, Kerr, Liebour Party, Unite..... ALL going nowhere!
23

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 13/08/2008 09:03:25

..........at least we know who's pocket he is in !!
24

Rufus T. Firefly,

13/08/2008 09:06:19
#18 Traquir , Alba

"And I thought the Unionistas told us that with an
SNP Government companies would flee the land
in terror - surely they did not lie to us (again)"

FirstGroup a government company?

Run that one by me again.
25

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 09:11:38
NUS and Andy Kerr have a cheek to attack SNP on student issues. The abolition of graduate endowment was the best thing that happened for students but opposed by Labour and Tory MSPs. Also NUS didn't attack Labour for doubling the starting tax rate for students from 10p to 20p. The NUS should be reminded of this at every opportunity. And Labour MPs at Westminster voted for retaining Tuition Fees for English students who study at Scottish Universities.
26

brownlie,

13/08/2008 09:12:36
26 Rufus

Great stuff! you're always good for a laugh!!
27

Steve_HMFC,

13/08/2008 09:13:28
John MacDougall MP has passed away

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/scotland_politics/7557933.stm

Thoughts and Prayers with his family.
28

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 09:15:31
So the story is that Gray, the grey man, is so dull, boring and drab that he's never managed to offend anyone? Or do much else either. Fair point, 25, but there's no point in him being in Broon's pocket if Broon gets ambushed on the way to the Forum next month. Et Tu, Millipede?
29

Daveunderwater,

13/08/2008 09:22:27
# 6

Pinochio Gray?
30

Daveunderwater,

13/08/2008 09:26:03
# 18

The Unionistas are telling us to,"Go South young man"

No pun intended!

If the North of the country (England) is "poverty stricken" we must be in dire straits, wye aye man.
31

Rodster,

Glasgow 13/08/2008 09:26:39
As I recollect during the Holyrood elections a story broke about Keir Hardie House , that when redecorating the bunker "Scottish Labour" had to get approval from Millbank on choosing and in fact applying new wallpaper so why is everyone so surprised about this latest interference???
32

Calum10,

13/08/2008 09:38:14
It's interesting to hear both Jamieson and Kerr cry, "it's a London stitch-up" over the moves by the Unions to back Brown's preferred candidate, Iain Gray.

If Gray wins his term as leader will be severely hampered in that he will be seen in the Scottish Labour party, in Holyrood and in Scotland as simply being a mere puppet of the London Labour establishment.

As a consequence the Labour party will have to get used to it being out of power in Scotland for a very long time.



33

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 09:47:42
On latest YouGov poll, the following Westminster seats would fall to the SNP:

Applying the figures to the Electoral Calculus model would see the SNP gain 20 seats - [UK Cabinet Ministers in brackets]

Aberdeen North
Aberdeen South
Argyll and Bute
Ayrshire North and Arran
Dundee West
Dunfermline and West Fife
East Lothian
Edinburgh East
Edinburgh North and Leith
Edinburgh South West [Alistair Darling]
Glasgow North
Gordon
Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey
Kilmarnock and Loudoun [Des Browne]
Lanark and Hamilton East
Linlithgow and East Falkirk
Midlothian
Ochil and South Perthshire
Paisley and Renfrewshire North
Stirling
34

ExpatNI,

13/08/2008 09:50:02
Has anybody got a link to the story about the Electricity line between Norway and Scotland? I think it was in the Independent yesterday, but not in any Scottish newspapers.
35

ExpatNI,

13/08/2008 09:52:48
I found it. Read it in the Observer, Sunday 10th.

I don't know how to do links.
36

Rodster,

Glasgow 13/08/2008 09:57:37
Thanks for the list Linda , you omitted Glenrothes ,for it will surely fall in the up coming by election
37

ExpatNI,

13/08/2008 09:58:51
Scotland plans link to Norway power supply Tim Webb Sunday August 10 2008 The Observer


Scotland is drawing up plans to build the world's longest electricity connector - to Norway - to help meet its renewable targets and end its dependence on nuclear power. The whole project could cost more than £2bn.

Jim Mather, the Scottish Executive's energy minister, will meet his Norwegian counterpart in October to discuss the proposal.

The plan could raise the hackles of MPs already concerned about Scottish politicians' push for independence. The UK depends on Scotland for most of its oil revenues and renewable energy resource. Politicians in Westminster are worried that full Scottish independence would further undermine the security of the UK's energy supply.

Scotland is much windier than England, Wales or Northern Ireland, and also has green hydro-electric power. It has set a target of getting half its electricity from renewable sources such as wind power by 2020, compared to the UK's goal of generating about a third from renewables.

However, instead of building dirty coal plants to back up its wind farms, Scotland wants to connect to Norway's grid to solve the problem. Scotland's ruling party, the SNP, has committed not to build any new nuclear reactors.

Norway gets almost all its electricity from hydro-power, which works by releasing water from a higher reservoir into a lower reservoir via a turbine which generates electricity. The water is then pumped back up to the higher reservoir for use later. If the 1,000km (620-mile) connector between the countries is built, when Scotland is windy and has surplus electricity, it would be exported to Norway to provide power to pump the water back up into its higher reservoirs.

When the wind does not blow in Scotland and there is a shortage of power, Norway would activate its hydro-plants to make up the shortfall. This would solve the issue of wind power's intermittency, frequently cited by critics.
38

Daveunderwater,

13/08/2008 10:13:13
Scotland is drawing up plans to build the world's longest electricity connector - to Norway - to help meet its renewable targets and end its dependence on nuclear power. The whole project could cost more than £2bn.

Jim Mather, the Scottish Executive's energy minister, will meet his Norwegian counterpart in October to discuss the proposal.

The plan could raise the hackles of MPs already concerned about Scottish politicians' push for independence. The UK depends on Scotland for most of its oil revenues and renewable energy resource. Politicians in Westminster are worried that full Scottish independence would further undermine the security of the UK's energy supply.

Scotland is much windier than England, Wales or Northern Ireland, and also has green hydro-electric power. It has set a target of getting half its electricity from renewable sources such as wind power by 2020, compared to the UK's goal of generating about a third from renewables.
39

Daveunderwater,

13/08/2008 10:14:02
Politicians in Westminster are worried that full Scottish independence would further undermine the security of the UK's energy supply.
40

weh,

13/08/2008 10:21:08
Labour were FORCED by UN to devolve powers to Scotland!

For full disclosure of this and other tales of treachery, read :-

tinyurl.com/5n4xnf

41

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/08/2008 10:25:05
Gray and Broon sounds like a S**ite combination to me...
42

Alan B,

13/08/2008 10:35:56
3 poor candidates with nothing much to say.
43

weh,

13/08/2008 10:40:43
SNP consolidate lead over Labour


The SNP's lead over Labour shows signs of hardening today as a YouGov survey suggests Alex Salmond and his party are three times more popular than Gordon Brown and Labour.

When asked to compare the performance of the UK government with that of Scotland's, 52 per cent of people said the SNP government "cares more about the needs and interests" of their families. Only 16 per cent said Labour did.

A large minority of Labour supporters conceded the SNP was governing well, with 33 per cent of Labour respondents saying the Scottish government cared more. Only one per cent of SNP supporters said the UK government cared more.

Asked who was performing better, Mr Brown as prime minister or Mr Salmond as first minister, 52 per cent opted for Mr Salmond and 16 per cent for Mr Brown.

Deputy first minister Nicola Sturgeon said the survey reflected the SNP's performance in government: "The SNP government have taken decisive action to help families and business with rising costs – freezing the council tax, cutting business rates, starting the phased abolition of prescription charges, and restoring free education – while Gordon Brown's dithering administration sit on their hands, and send out mixed messages on what they might or might not be doing."
44

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13/08/2008 10:51:11
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45

Edward,

13/08/2008 10:51:18
FMQ's each Thursday was desired viewing as it ended up a comedy of errors with Dame Wendy taking the most pratt falls
Now we have the prospect of nudge nudge wink wink Iain Gray standing up and following in the footsteps of Dame Wendy, falling short on consensual politics
Regardless of who is anointed by the Labour Party (in London) all three candidates have far too much baggage from their previous exploits to be able to give any crumb of a fresh approach
46

MacGillicuddy,

13/08/2008 11:05:02
#47
What a sicko you really are.
Nationalists like me will observe a period of decent respect for John Macdougall BEFORE any electioneering which is CLEARLY more than can be said for you.
47

The Master,

13/08/2008 11:10:25
#49: life carries on etc, you sanctimonious pr*t!
48

MacGillicuddy,

13/08/2008 11:22:42
#50

49 Confirmed!
49

Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire coast 13/08/2008 11:39:37
Doonhamer @11, i read the story in the herald online last night, such a result would remove the three labour leadership candidates and most of the rest of labour MSPs, with SNP on around 55 seats.
50

"Hoots" Fandango,

13/08/2008 11:52:59
47 The Master

Bad master. Mad Baster.
51

George Handley,

Lancaster 13/08/2008 12:08:27
I wish the Scotsman would check spelling
pole not poll
52

Teamdroid,

13/08/2008 12:08:43
#47, very poor form given that the by-election won't be happening until late October, at the very earliest. There will be plenty of time for politics before then.

For now, let's show respect to the McDougall family.
53

George Handley,

13/08/2008 12:09:30
unless they intended irony
54

AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 12:14:16
The Master shoots himself in the foot!

Bad form to start electioneering when the poor man is still warm.
55

ExpatNI,

13/08/2008 12:21:51
47

master bater, go lie down i a dark room.
56

Steve_HMFC,

13/08/2008 12:23:41
Exactly the points I made on the thread re migrating south.

If posting were possible on the actual story about MacDougall's death, there would inevitably be idiots like the Master going on about by elections when respect should be for his family. Those who think of politics in these situations really are sad people.

Shame on Scotsman (and Guardian) for writing more in the articles about his untimely death about by election/glasgow east/browns troubles/SNP hopes in the byelection... instead of actually writing more about the man himself and his time in parliament.
57

"Hoots" Fandango,

13/08/2008 12:24:38
Agreed again Steve.
58

AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 12:34:23
#59,

True, an obituary would've been welcome! It's rank bad journalism by the increasingly desperate Scotsman newspaper!
59

Yeah1,

13/08/2008 12:41:40
#35 Linda:

"On latest YouGov poll, the following Westminster seats would fall to the SNP: Edinburgh South West (Alistair Darling)."

Not sure about the other seats you've listed but I doubt very much that Edinburgh South West would fall to the SNP.

At the last election the SNP only came 4th in Edinburgh SW:

Labour 17,476 39.8%
Conservative 10,234 23.3%
Liberal Democrat 9,252 21.1%
Scottish National Party 4,654 10.6%

Are you suggesting that the SNP will somehow leap from 4th place and 10% of the vote to 1st place in that constituency? I find that extremely hard to believe - if anyone is going to win that seat from labour it will be the tories.

Perhaps your list is actually seats in Scotland that labour will lose to all parties, rather than just the SNP?


60

Yeah1,

13/08/2008 12:48:36
#35 Linda:

I've just checked another of the Westminster seats that you have said will 'fall to the SNP' at the next election and on the basis of it and Edinburgh SW I think its safe to assume that the rest of your list can be discredited.

You said that Aberdeen South will fall to the SNP at the next election. That is another seat where the SNP only came 4th in 2005:

Labour 15,272 36.7%
Liberal Democrat 13,924 33.5%
Conservative 7,134 17.1%
Scottish National Party 4,120 9.9%

Again, are you suggesting that the SNP will leap from 4th place and 10% of the vote to 1st place? Again, I find that extremely unlikely.

I think its safe to assume on the basis of Aberdeen South and Edinburgh SW that you clearly don't really know how to read polls or work out who will win which seats, so I would suggest that you should go back and try and come up with a more realistic list of 'target' seats for the SNP.
61

Arfur,

13/08/2008 13:18:28
62 Yeah1 - in the latest YouGov poll there has been a massive swing from Labour to SNP. Check it out the hootsman actually have a sentence or two on it. Better be quick tho, the editor will be in shortly.
62

Yeah1,

13/08/2008 13:46:43
#65

"If you access the Evening News website, from the Scotsman one, you will see that they are running a story that Edinburgh SW is vulnerable."

Yes Edinburgh SW is vulnerable but not to the SNP - they aren't going to leap from 4th place in 2005 to winning it in the next election.
63

Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire coast 13/08/2008 14:01:41
Yeah1 @65, i have read the story on the evening news website. It is the SNP who are high in the polls, tot tories or lib dems, it is possible for a party in such position to rise from 4th place to win, it has happened before, polls show torie and lib dem support down, a lot of folk used to sat ,aye ah wid like tae vote snp but they hae nae chance so ah will jist vote labourand no waste mah vote, not the case now.
64

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:05:55
3

Probably too confused to remember that it is the trades union novement which continues to fight for pay equality.

65

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:11:12

12

As you say, a poll commissioned by the SNP.

'Nuff said.

66

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:15:15
18

As Salmond is caught grandstanding (again), most of his manifesto promises remain unfulfilled - that is to say watered down, scrapped or dropped.

Government in action.


lol

but absent

Salmond been to Aberdeen yet?
67

Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire coast 13/08/2008 14:15:55
70 Scottish N British, and conucted by yougov
68

Davie from Irvine,

13/08/2008 14:16:29
conducted by you gov
69

Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire 13/08/2008 14:21:54
traqair at 18 is reminding us of negative stories put out by the media and unionist politicians that an SNP government would scare industry and drive it out, when no such thing has happened.
70

Davie from Irvine,

13/08/2008 14:23:05
post 74 is in response to post71
71

Davie from Irvine,

Auld irvine Toon Ayrshire coast 13/08/2008 14:37:38
Scottish N British @ 71 some election manifesto plans have not been carried out yet due to the Scottish budget sqeeuze by the chancellor, the political games he is playing holding back funds that are due,the combined opposition at Hollyrood forcing money spent on Edinburgh trams which was earmarked for elswhere.
72

ExpatNI,

13/08/2008 14:38:35
Davie #74, Scottish n Brittish is doing what all Labourite unionists do. When the SNP come up with something good for Scotland or any particular community eg this headquarters for FirstGroup or the Electricity link to Norway, they have to rubbish it as the previous Labour administration couldn't produce the goods when they were in charge. They don't like it up 'em!
73

Yeah1,

13/08/2008 14:39:37
#68

"polls show torie and lib dem support down"

Did you read the article? the polls show tory support is up by 2 percentage points.

"it is possible for a party in such position to rise from 4th place to win, it has happened before."

Personally I don't recall a party in 4th place at one general election winning that seat at the next general election but since you say 'it has happened before' I assume you have evidence to back that up? Perhaps you could share that evidence?
74

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:41:50
74

Mmmm...

...negative stories as in calling into question Salmond's promises that the SNP will fulfill each and every manifesto commitment?

75

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:45:53
77

Whatever you do, don't remind the SNP about Dad's Army!!

In trying to smart ass someone at FMQ, the usually solid Salmond got into a pickle when he mixed up his Corporal Jones with Private Pike!!

Bet the lackey behind that jibe got a bollocking for making the Great One look stupid!

lol
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Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:54:08
Some? You surely mean 'most'.

You say "not carried out yet".

So it will happen, then?
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 15:25:51
#81,

If he was odious, what does that make you?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 13/08/2008 15:28:55
82:

When is Gordon going to eradicate child poverty? Remember that little prmise. We all expect to see it gone by 2010..any comment.

Presumably you think abandoning xhildren to poverty is an acceptable part of being in the UK?

Jobless at a high for 16 years! Another benefit maybe?

How about Tory thing tank telling the north of England to move souht? Another benefit of the Union?

Care to give us a few reason for staying in the union of just going to carry on with the 'unionist whinge'?
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The Master,

13/08/2008 15:33:04
#82 Old Cartha Boy: ever heard of the expression "de mortuis nil nisi bonum"? And to think the Scotsman deleted a post of mine for dwelling on political considerations and then allowed Hamish MacDonnell to be every bit as political in reporting the sad loss of John McDougall.
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The Master,

13/08/2008 15:33:45
Sorry Scottish etc: meant post #81.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 13/08/2008 15:33:45

82:

Commenting on an earlier thread. Just how many companies (of those unionists who threatened) have moved out of Scotland since devolution?







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Old Cartha Boy,

13/08/2008 15:35:15
Re # 83 - feel free to defend the dead man!. He was an obnoxious bully boy - I've made my case clear, what have you got to offer to defend him? You sound like Old Fife Labour - attack the critic, don't defend the policy!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 13/08/2008 15:35:46
81:

Fairly harsh words but then i never had any dealings with him. Sad for the family but i can honestly say i had never heard of him as with that Labour theiving rat in nGlasgow Marshall.

How do these people hide so well in public life?
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Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 15:38:38
87

Q. How many support the SNP's CA-LIT?

A. 0


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Nevsky,

Moscow 13/08/2008 15:42:22
91:

No answer as usual from you! Keep the 'cringe' going.

You never have an answer to anything. In fact you could be described as a 'bitc*ing' Unionist. Nothing to contribute, nothing positive to say, no optimism.

Just bloody dreadful. Hope you are not married!
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Old Cartha Boy,

13/08/2008 15:43:52
Re #85 - fully adhere to that sentiment but I'm making a rare exception in Mr McDougall's case. Not a nice man at all!
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 15:47:04
#88,

It's not about the man's politics, it's about respect for a bereaved family!

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Nikostratos,

13/08/2008 15:50:26
Reading all the snp drones comments I realise who is going to win the next U.S.A Presidential election.......and it ain't McCain or Obama
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Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 16:01:18
84

lol

More fool you for thinking the eradication of child poverty (whatever the Hell that means) would be met.

Your naivety probably betrays your age. Bless.

Here's an Insight: There are large pockets of poor and disadvantaged all over Britain and, believe it or not in America, the richest country on the planet.

The figure is arbitrary. Nothing else.

BTW, be careful with the Labour Is Failing Us routine.
You forget Salmond is in power up here. Can I ask you what's the jobless figure for Scotland compares early 07?

last time I looked the SNP was in power and was going to do great things for us Scots.

Surely not another broken promise?






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Nevsky,

Moscow 13/08/2008 16:10:52
96:

Here is a little link for you..3.8 million children living below the poverty level..great news for the success of the union.

The quote was wrong..Labour meant to 'halve' child povert..but have abandoned the plans..even worse.

The SNP have been in power for just over a year so to compare the with Labour rule is spurious and infantile to say the least.

The Parliament controls virtually nothing of the powers that would be required to make Scotland prosper and well you know it.

More power for Scotland..more prosperity for Scotland.

But stick with the union 'old chap' chin up even when going down the shi**er!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 13/08/2008 16:12:01
http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/10/child-poverty-labour-2010-tax

Labour abandons the children! What a disgrace..but harp on about 20 new police for Dundee by all means scon 'n' brit..whinge whing..cringe cringe.
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The Master,

13/08/2008 16:18:22
#97 Nevsky: what you're saying in effect is that the Nats have their own little pretendy parliament in which they can gather plaudits for populist measures, such as the abolition of prescription charges and the freezing of CT, and blame any wider failures on Westminster.

I just hope this Nat heaven doesn't turn into a living hell when the party finally runs out of steam (as it will; they all do!) and the separation agenda is set back several years by its association with a party whose ratings are plummeting in the polls.
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pehman,

sussex 13/08/2008 16:18:25

94 AJ,

I totally agree, and I do feel for the familly.

However just think how much compassion was shown by labour after the death of G Dunwoodie ? (crewe & nantwitch)

By-election held almost before the funeral, just over three weeks after her death in an attempt to catch other parties off guard.

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Zorbathejock,

Paphos 13/08/2008 16:26:23
Guess what ! Iv'e just done an online survey for this Paper "The SCOTSMAN" with a prize draw offered.The rules are governed by the law in England and Wales !!!!!!! The Scotsman??????
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 16:31:10
Pehman,

It's important for the Scottish National Party to rise above the dispicible and unwholesome standards of the Labour Party, that were to the fore at Crewe and Nantwich.

A certain amount of time has to pass before the political dog fighting starts again, don't you think?



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pehman,

sussex 13/08/2008 16:37:16
102 AJ,

As I said AJ, I totally agree.


But be on guard for a quick change of rules from maggie
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The Master,

13/08/2008 16:42:27
#101 Zorbathejock: the Scotsman probably bought an off the shelf set of rules. Scotland's an extremely small jurisdiction and one of the problems of this is that it can be more costly and time consuming to employ legal experts to advise on Scots Law. Why do you Nats always have to be so parochial?
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 16:45:05
Pehman,

Always pal, always! :)
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Zorbathejock,

Paphos 13/08/2008 16:49:55
#104 Who said I'm a Nat? I just find it strange that a paper purporting to be a Scottish paper should use laws from another country.For that matter why not use French laws? I.m sure they have "off the shelf" rules
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ExpatNI,

13/08/2008 16:55:54
'No wonder folk are sick fed up of New Liebour.

They pull forward Glasgow east election (during the trades) because of the imminenet embarassment september of their out going expense nabber. Knowing full