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Analysis: Could it be a repeat performance for SNP?



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Published Date: 14 August 2008
SUCH is the depth of Labour's problems that hardly anyone expects the party successfully to defend a majority of almost 11,000 in a seat vacated by the death of a popular local MP.
John MacDougall was popular in the area and cultivated a solid personal vote – the SNP will need a 14 per cent swing to seize the constituency in a by-election.

In any other circumstances, Labour would go into the contest expecting to do well,
but these are anything but normal times.

The bookmakers made the SNP 1/4 on to win the constituency last night, simply because Labour is in such a hopeless mess.

So where does this leave Alex Salmond and the SNP?

In part, the Nationalists are a victim of their own success. Their win in Glasgow East was so monumental, taking such a safe Labour seat, that they have raised expectations to an extraordinary level.

It is not quite at the stage where failure to win Glenrothes would be seen as a significant setback, but it is getting close.

The SNP does have a lot going for it in the area. It won the corresponding Scottish Parliament constituency at last year's Holyrood elections and controls Fife Council. The party has a strong activist base in the area and showed in Glasgow East that it can deploy an effective by-election machine if needs be.

If the SNP was to win in Glenrothes, it would set Mr Salmond well on the way to his target of 20 MPs at the next election.

Just a few weeks ago, he had only six MPs. By the end of the year he could have eight. Suddenly, that 20-seat target does not seem so far away.

If the Nationalists did get their 20 MPs, it would give them significant influence at Westminster and neither of the big parties could afford to ignore their demands.

There is another possible development which might alter the SNP's focus. Labour leaders at Holyrood are waiting for Jack McConnell's decision on when he intends to stand down as the MSP for Motherwell and Wishaw so he can go to Malawi as the UK's High Commissioner.

The former first minister has said he won't make a decision until he gets confirmation of his appointment from the Foreign Office.

If the Foreign Office endorses his appointment, his contract should come to him soon, which means he could stand down in the next couple of months, forcing a by-election for Holyrood on the same day as the Glenrothes poll.

That would probably help Labour, allowing them to split the SNP's resources into two different parts of the country and, if Labour lost both, they would only have to deal with one day of bad news, not two.

Mr Salmond will, however, view both potential contests as further golden opportunities to extend his current hegemony over Labour.





The full article contains 491 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Soup kitchen,

14/08/2008 00:01:43
SNP are just a blunt instrument that is nearest to hand to beat Labour with.

Why do their voters/campaigners on here believe people are actually warming to independence?

One third-half of their voters just want a change from Labour, not to destroy the Union.
2

Col. Blimp­IV*,

14/08/2008 00:09:31
Broon will go down fighting...they will never take him alive!
3

Matt there,

somewhere 14/08/2008 00:10:41
And you are certain about that, Soup Kitchen?

A problem unionistas will have is that for years Scotland was told: "Oh, we can't possibly do that/have that, here."

But then the SNP takes control and the very things that Scotland was told could not be done or that they could not have are happening. How strange is that?!

But Labour have made things even worse. New ideas from the SNP are greeted with mutters of: "Oh, London would not like that! London will do such-and-such, London will withhold the funding, etc."

This makes people who had previously not been impressed by the call for independence for Scotland saying: "Well, if that London place does not like things we want for Scotland, is it not time to reduce or even completely sever the link between Scotland and this 'London'?"
4

Soup kitchen,

14/08/2008 00:13:27
3

The SNP can't deliver most of their promises and have in fact already performed U-turns and dumped the most important one.

Where do you get this fantasy from?

For years the Scots were told Labour and the SNP are full of it... and they both are. What's changed? Labour/SNP are going to pull Scotland apart for decades to come. Too many stupid public sector workers in Scotland voting for more post-war handouts and employment rights at the cooncil.
5

Soup kitchen,

14/08/2008 00:14:06
3

When you say London, do you mean the UK government? The London mayor has no influence up here.
6

Arrow,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 00:17:12
this is a different kettle of fish to Glasgow East. the late MP was popular and there does not appear to be the taint of corruption that attached itself to Marshall. it should be an interesting fight and i beleive that, based on the respect for the previous incumbent, labour might hold on. it all depends on who they put up. and they will have to take their time about it this time and make sure it is a first choice and not 2nd or 3rd. is it true that Cathy Jamieson has always lived in Fife? lets see if labour have learned thier lesson and it is not an SNP certainty (but it would be nice!).
7

Conan the Librarian™,

14/08/2008 00:17:19
5
What, you're not influenced by his tousled hair and goofy grin?

8

Conan the Librarian™,

14/08/2008 00:21:53
2
Who will never take him alive Col?
9

Col. Blimp­IV*,

14/08/2008 00:24:11
#8

...The necrophiliacs!

of course Conan.
10

Dave B,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 00:31:50
"he could stand down in the next couple of months, forcing a by-election for Holyrood on the same day as the Glenrothes poll"

They will no doubt consider this, but stunts like this are pretty transparent and don't go down well with the voters.
A bit like holding the Glasgow East by-election on the glasgow fair holidays..
It just seems totally cynical, from a sleazy party..
11

Col. Blimp­IV*,

14/08/2008 00:35:50
Here is the 2007 Holyrood Result foe Central Fife, which is about 3/4 of the Westminster seat:

FIFE CENTRAL (Electorate: 58,215)
Majority: 1,166 Turnout: 26,965 (46.32%)

Candidate Party Votes
Marwick, Tricia Scottish National Party 11,920
May, Christine Labour 10,754
Riches, Elizabeth Liberal Democrats 2,288
Golden, Maurice Conservatives 2,003

No wonder the bookies make the SNP 1/4 favourites.
12

druidh,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 00:40:37
I'm sure we'll soon find that Margaret Curran was born and brought up in Glenrothes.
13

Oldnat,

14/08/2008 00:40:52
Arrow

I agree that Glenrothes will be no pushover for the SNP. Not only is Labour in Fife less tainted than in the West of Scotland, but Fifers are thrawn folk, and not inclined to follow political fashion. I still hope they'll vote SNP though!
14

ptdoug,

14/08/2008 01:29:18
"Analysis: Could it be a repeat performance for SNP?"

Er....yes.
15

Nikostratos,

14/08/2008 05:26:24
"if Labour lost both, they would only have to deal with one day of bad news, not two."

Thats all right then Eh?
16

Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 14/08/2008 05:51:48
It's never a bad thing for Scottish folk to vote for their own government.
The debate about separation doesn't come into the equation at the moment since, the SNP is quite capable of governing even IF separation is ultimately rejected. No problems there since the Scots would still have their own governing representatives fighting for them in Westminster. London had better wake up soon and smell the roses!
17

Argyll on line,

Inveraray 14/08/2008 06:46:29
The temptation for Brown to div- up SNP efforts by putting two bye elections on in the one day must be enormous.It os a tactic which has worked for Labour several times before. However for him the dangers are considerable. A double whammy against him would be utter humiliation and certainly bury him.
18

eric,

Lothian 14/08/2008 07:19:17
Unionists in Scotland have a much Larger enemy.Voters in England Just see us ALL ie SNP labour as SCOTS and they want us dumped out union.Theres no way back.
19

Andrew D,

bne 14/08/2008 07:21:27
The guy being liked and dying is very different to a crook standing down for "ill health" and the seats are very different seats.

Yes the SNP won in the Holyrood election but it was different so no counting of chickens here and anyone that tries to present a Labour win here as a loss for the SNP is kidding themselves.

I hope the SNP wins whenever it happens but it will be AS big if not bigger a victory than the Glasgow East one.
20

Linda,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 08:13:45
Based on latest YouGov poll, Glenrothes is not a shoo in for SNP it is not in the top 20 seats that SNP would gain
so Hamish it is just wishful thinking that not winning would be a significant set back.
21

Tom R,

14/08/2008 08:13:52
If the SNP win the Glenrothes by-election (and it is the likeliest, although by no means certain, outcome) then this will be the first time ever that the SNP have won/gained two successive seats at by-elections.

That would result in enormous favourable momentum for the SNP while the Westminster general election grows ever nearer.
22

tommy M,

Scotland 14/08/2008 08:35:58
I wonder if the voters in Glenrothes are as scunnered by Brown's cosying up to Thatcher as i am?
23

Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/08/2008 08:54:12
Looking forward to seeing how often Mr Salmond makes it up to Glenrothes. Something tells me we won't be essing quite as much of Mr Salmond this time round....
24

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14/08/2008 08:55:24
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/08/2008 09:11:42
Incidentally, good to see the nationalist supporters disgracing themselves for the second day in a row over at the Herald. The downright nastiness and snideness which seems to fuel a lot of SNP posters leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
26

Senga Jean,

14/08/2008 09:26:11
Do not forget the Lib/Dems. Remember how they conned the voters in Dunfermline and pretended they were not in coalition with Labour. Lib/dems shafted poor naive Labour good style. It was the turning point for me when I saw their wee rally pouring through the B & Q car park with saltire banners and " It wisnae us" posters. Lib/Dems..pure kidology. (Yes I did once vote for them but its SNP from now on...Federal is fudge...Independence only please)
27

Senga Jean,

14/08/2008 09:30:52
#25 And on the INTERNET you can tell when someone is a genuine SNP supporter? Trolls by definition are not what you think. Grahamski...for all I know you could be a Soviet spy who does not know the Soviet Union has ended. Unionists are like that!
28

MacGillicuddy,

14/08/2008 09:38:46
#25 Well said. His Britpish politics certainly do belong to a by-gone age.
29

MacGillicuddy,

14/08/2008 09:40:15
Corrigendum.

#28 aimed at #27
30

Peeablo,

UKSSR 14/08/2008 09:49:27
#25 ?Grahamski

I read through the Herald posts, I didn't read any 'nastiness and snideness' by any political supporters.

The only 'nasty taste' is your mud slinging.

Mud doesn't always stick, only on those who throw it!



31

danielrober,

14/08/2008 09:49:27
It will be interesting to see if the SNP £4.2 billion gamble will payoff.

Will the famous Fifer's long-term financial repuation be won over by another Holyrood building project. A new second bridge for 50,000 commuters, making it Europes most expensive bridge per mile and per user. Or back the £200 million rewiring option, resulting in lower taxes and tolls.

This will be interesting.
32

Peeablo,

UKSSR 14/08/2008 09:49:38
#25 ?Grahamski

I read through the Herald posts, I didn't read any 'nastiness and snideness' by any political supporters.

The only 'nasty taste' is your mud slinging.

Mud doesn't always stick, only on those who throw it!
33

Rodster,

Glasgow 14/08/2008 09:54:56
I see Grahamski up to his usual smears and slurs , wake up son it does not work anymore .
On the more substantive issue the 2 elections in one day .
I can only see disadvantage for Liebour in this ,The SNP Election machine is slick and has lots and lots of volunteers , Liebour on the other hand had to bus in English loyalists in Glasgow East ,if dividing forces is going to hamper anyone it will not be the SNP
34

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14/08/2008 10:04:14
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 10:07:51
Glenrothes is probably a seat too far for the Nationalists.

However, IF the Labour Party in Scotland somehow manages to lose another constituency in a place like Fife with a massive majority of over 10,000 then, just like the Scots Tory Party, its political base could well be destroyed and never recover!
36

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14/08/2008 10:09:57
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37

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 10:10:20
Given the climate, the SNP must be favourites.

All depends on how the voters view it -

1. do they jump on the bandwagon and give Brown a kicking by voting SNP, or

2. do they look west to Glasgow East and buy into what the SNP intends to do for these 'failed' voters and say "we'll have some of that!!"

BTW, anyone heard what do the SNP plan to do to fix the problems in Glasgow East?

Weeks later, and that's one photo opportunity yet to happen.

38

Venachar,

14/08/2008 10:27:27
Labour are going to lose!

Labour has been underperforming in the area for years and the SNP have been working hard. Labour councillors with a conscience have resigned because of the little cliques within the Labour party. I have seen the change and have been represented very well by two SNP councillors who do not treat their constituents with disdain and leave them in ignorance. The SNP communicate with the voters.

Henry McLeish as far as I'm concerned was a good MP, it shows what Labour are like when you get stabbed in the back by a supposed collegue.

John MacDougall as far as I'm concerned was typical Labour cannon fodder. I did not agree with his voting record so he did not get my vote at the last election.

The bookies are very rarely wrong.
39

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14/08/2008 10:28:15
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MacGillicuddy,

14/08/2008 10:29:24
In Fife, we have had our fill of Liebour. Glenrothes elected an SNP MSP and (virtually) the same constituency WILL elect an SNP MP. Liebour has lost control of Fife Council.
The people of Fife have seen through the decades of being taken for granted as Liebour voting fodder.
Perhaps David Miniblair will do his stuff and remove Brown as leader? Brown's pride and petulance would never allow him to sit on the back-benches.
Perhaps the we could have the two by-elections in the neighbouring constituencies on the same day? The SNP should win both.
41

Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/08/2008 10:29:51
33
The SNP posts were repellant. It is interesting that rather than denouncing them you choose to deny them. So be it.
42

MacGillicuddy,

14/08/2008 10:33:07
#41

So are yours!
43

Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/08/2008 10:36:34
40
Miniblair? Who is Miniblair?
All minor cults and sects resort to name-calling and de-humanising their opponents. The nazis did that too, it's easier to keep your moonie-like adherents in line if you make them believe that their opponents are untermenschen. That's why you'll see the nats regularly use this nazi trick of de-humanising their opponents.
It shows their lack of respect and inherent dishonesty. Long may they continue with their snide and nasty tactics. When they are found out they have a long way to fall.
44

MacGillicuddy,

14/08/2008 10:38:11
#43
Oh dear, oh dear!
You really have lost the plot! Time for your morning nap?
45

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 10:40:05
40

So, what's the 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?
46

MacGillicuddy,

14/08/2008 10:41:34
#43
Or is that some people are merely emulating the example set by the Britpish National Liebour Party.
47

Venachar,

14/08/2008 10:47:34
#43

Are you talking about the Labour Party?

BTW I am not a member of any party. I do wish however to exercise my own judgement on who I think is worth my vote.
#40 may be a supporter of the SNP I do not know but what I do know is that voting Labour in Fife is a wasted vote and as he says more people are coming to realise this.

If you don't know who Miniblair is then you deserve all you are going to get as the Labour party heads to become a minor cult.
48

Daveunderwater,

Scottish Not British 14/08/2008 10:54:52
# 45

One things for sure the SNP will be better than the failed 30 year plan Labour instigated.

Was there a plan?

Only the man at the bottom of the garden knew...

With Jimmy Reid on their side SNP will whitewash Fife!!
49

Daveunderwater,

Scottish Not British 14/08/2008 10:57:06
# 41

You are in denial, but time will tell

And IT'S TIME
50

Daveunderwater,

Scottish Not British 14/08/2008 11:00:10
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51

Daveunderwater,

Scottish Not British 14/08/2008 11:01:29
# 45

Try Grand Slam as opposed to Grand Plan!!
52

pehman,

sussex 14/08/2008 11:06:56

I'm certain that the former Fife miners will love the SNP leaflet (used in Glasgow East) of g brown welomming thatcher back into downing st.

As for the two elections on the same day, well it may stretch the SNP, but the real question should be, how would slab cope with two elections on the same day, when they struggled so badly with the one in Glasgow ?

Ofcourse slab may call three elections, if the Paisley quitter, quits too. And there is also the poss of the elections being called on a day to co-incide with the SNP conference in Perth.


53

Earman,

Dumfries 14/08/2008 11:13:24
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that no matter how many by-elections/election/polls etc show the obvious...that the present Scottish Government is LIKED by the Scottish electorate....there are a hardcore of unionist supporters who are very quickly becoming this century's "Flat Earth Society".

Perhaps this "hardcore" should start asking themselves if their stance has anything whatsoever to do with a genuine concern for the Scottish people and their welfare, or something far less honourable.
54

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:16:09
#40 MacGillicuddy.

Nice comment and i 100% agree with you.

The voters of Glasgow East gave up on the Labour party and soon the people of Glenrothes will do the same. The SNP won this seat from Labour in the Scottish parliament elections and therefor will have built up a solid vote in the area. If the SNP win this seat i do believe Gordy broon will be the only Labour blight in Fife!!!Good Gordy...!!

#43.Grahamski,Falkirk 14/08/2008 10:36:34
40
Miniblair? Who is Miniblair?

You must have your back to the wall!!
55

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 11:25:07
48, and 51

I'll ask again -

If it's not merely a reaction to Brown and Labour's policies over the decades, what's the (SNP) 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?

By not answering, your answer must be an acknowledgment that nothing will change.

So why vote SNP.
To hurt Labour.
56

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 14/08/2008 11:25:58
#37 You're aware that John Mason hasn't even had a chance to sit down in the Commons as an MP yet, yes?
57

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:27:46
#53

The hard core of unionists in Scotland tend to be the old labour type who still believe in red clydeside and that the whole nation should be working for non profit making state owned corrupt industries.

I read a poll in which it asked voters from every political party in Scotland if the Scottish Gov was doing a good job and the lowest vote was old labour, only 33% of Labour voters said the Scottish Gov was doing a good job.

It is Labour who are destroying our economy and that is why they have slumped to a poultry 25% in (Hollyrood) Scotland and 23% for the rest of the UK.

Labour are also behind the SNP for the Westminster parliament by 7%, its all doom and gloom for the 50 years of barmy rule in Scotland.. That has to be positive..
58

Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/08/2008 11:28:14
54
Tell you what, carry on in your delusions. The current SNP administration is popular becuase they have been long on bravado and bombast and short on taking responsibility or indeed difficult decisions. As time goes on the bombast will look increasingly hollow and the difficult decisions will have to be made.
Just watch their popularity disappear like snow aff a dyke...
and see how far you get fuelled by one man's vanity.
59

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:30:30
#55 Scottish 'N British

While you Waite for an answer i have a question for you. What party should the People of Glenrothes vote for and why..please get back coz you do have a big mouth..
60

Shaken,

14/08/2008 11:31:12
Grahamski,Falkirk

Oh joy. Liking the SNP to the Nazis? Who is slinging names to dehumanise the opposition? You have to laugh at these people.#

Vive la SNP
61

"Hoots" Fandango,

14/08/2008 11:31:51
Scottish 'N British

"What's the (SNP) 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?"

What WAS Labour's?
What IS Labour's?
What WILL be Labour's?
62

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14/08/2008 11:33:43
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Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 11:35:03
56

Had worked that one out, Rev. Can you confirm that his 'grandplan' will be revealed in his maiden speech?

You sort of infer that this is the case.

Personally, can't wait to hear it. I'm sure the trusting voters of Glasgow East can't wait, either.

Make it a good 'un, Johnny Boy, make it a good 'un....
64

"Hoots" Fandango,

14/08/2008 11:35:08
Grahamski

Drivel. All posts. Pure drivel.

65

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:35:43
#61 "Hoots" Fandango,14/08/2008 11:31:51
Scottish 'N British

"What's the (SNP) 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?"

What WAS Labour's?
What IS Labour's?
What WILL be Labour's?

Good question and i can't wait to read the answer..!!
66

"Hoots" Fandango,

14/08/2008 11:36:15
Scottish (ish) and British

Do you really believe that Labour has been good for Scotland?
67

LEAL,

14/08/2008 11:39:06
The tories and libdems will be expecting to up their share of the vote in Glenrothes,which might make it difficult for the SNP.however ,I think the voters in Glenrothes are just as bored with the Union and encouraged by the SNP as they were in Glasgow East.I think this byelection will depend on the calibre of the candidates and the record of the councillors who serve this area.The SNP HAVE to be able to fight 2 byelections at the same time.I think if they can motivate a huge number of activists to campaign in each of 2 constituencies on the same day,it will tell us a lot about the depth of their activists passion and about their willingness to put in the huge amount of work that will be required to win the referendum on Independence.
68

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 11:40:23
59

Oh dear. I do appear to have upset you. never mind.

Perhaps you can answer...

I don't live in Glenrothes so can't really advise them either way. All I'm pointing out is that they're deluding themselves if they believe that the 'failed decades' will soon be replaced by Utopia. Ain't going to happen.

For a definitie answer, cut through the Separatist spin here and look at 15 months of SNP rule at Holyrood. For all his bluster Salmond isn't capable of doing anything except grandstanding, removing tolls and toeing the Tory line on cutting rates and fulfilling promises on 1,000 cops (good ideas BTW).


69

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:42:05
If Labour are so good for Fife well why did the lose control of Fife council ?? That has to be a good question because people vote in council elections for local issues so we cant blame Gordy Broon for Labours demise in fife at local level. So i ask, "What has Labour done for the People of Fife?" Answer, Nout...

Oh and the SNP control Fife council..nuff said..
70

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 11:42:29
65

Labour has failed, clearly.

I'll ask again...


So, what's the (SNP) 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?
71

"Hoots" Fandango,

14/08/2008 11:45:15
70 Scottish etc

"Labour has failed, clearly. I'll ask again...So, what's the (SNP) 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?"

What party would you prefer? If it's the Tories, then help ma boab.
72

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:46:06
#68 Scottish not brit..

"Oh dear. I do appear to have upset you. never mind"

Eh??? Come again, im eating my late breakfast and fiddling about with my laptop, what on earth has upset me?? All i have said while you Waite for an answer if you could answer one of mine and that was "which party should the Glenrothes vote for and why? Don't take it personally.

73

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:47:35
Scottish 'N British,14/08/2008 11:42:29
65

Labour has failed, clearly.

I'll ask again...


So, what's the (SNP) 'grandplan' for Glenrothes, then?


Sorry but you have duped out of my question which i asked you first, Again who should they vote for and why??
74

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:52:57
Okay the SNP in Fife..The SNP’s Len Woods pledged a return to local care—and done as quickly as possible—in support of the three petitions, with around 89,000 signatures, collected in the campaign against downgrading the Queen Margaret some years ago.

The SNP has been the most consistent party on tolls policy. “Tolls should have been done away with years ago,” said Mr Woods. Er well they have gone now..

Council tax freeze in Fife benefiting most of the people in the area..

Saving 6 local primary Schools from closure

200k Grant for local sport and development..

The courier....

Oh and all that in justlittle over a year...



75

Senga Jean,

14/08/2008 11:57:30
#70 The SNP Grand Plan is on their web site. Go figure!
76

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 11:57:59
Labour in Fife..

Lost Dunfermline West..

Lost Central Fife

Lost Fife council

Lost council by-election in Burntisland..2008

is it something in the Water or are the voters just wakening up ?
77

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:07:21
Labour are losing their traditional bases of support because it's slowly becoming apparent that they're no longer the party of 'the people', the Tories are getting a percentage of this loss (down south) because they're pretending that they actually give a poo poo about 'the people', and the Lib Dems are nowhere to be seen.

Meanwhile back in Scotland..

SNP: 44% [+11]
Labour: 25% [-7]
Lib Dem: 14% [-2]
Con: 13% [-4]
Other: 4% [+2]

My point, at least in Scotland we have an alternative and people are switching to the SNP, Alex Salmond talked of a wind of change, well from where im sitting its a bloody full blowing hell raising Hurricane of change
78

danielrober,

14/08/2008 12:08:34
# 74 The Spook in Leith

What ever happens in this by-election it is simply not possible to build £4.2 billion bridge and not charge some kind of toll. Such economics is madness, even more so when you consider the multiple cheaper options of tunnels, causway, rewiring the existing bridge etc.

So whatever happens tolls will come back, when the SNP's second bridge is built.
79

bill-alba,

fife 14/08/2008 12:10:06
Im afraid the people of glenrothes will vote in the libdems..the people I talk to think the libdems walk on water..we can only hope I'm proven wrong.
80

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 12:12:48
72

"please get back coz you do have a big mouth.." is what passes for normal conversation in Leith, then?

Anyway, don't splutter in your cornflakes.

The upshot is this. I acknowledge Labour has failed Glenrothes. Your mistake is that you expected me to defend their record, on the mistaken assumption that I'm a Scottish Labour member, activist or voter.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

So, in a nutshell, we agree. What I'm keen on finding out are the plans the SNP have for addressing this?

They do have ideas, yes? Or is it merely more of the same?

Replace Scottish Labour with the SNP.


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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:12:50
#78

That's a shame but you should go out and canvas the good people of Fife with that piece of braking news, it doesn't affect me coz i stay in Leith.

lol, dont come screaming to me, im just a Scotsman customer using there online facility to post a comment or 2, im not the SNP so if you find fault with them do what i do with Labour, lam post the Website for an answer..
82

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 12:14:51
75

See 80 and get back to me.

Please.
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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:17:45
#80 Scottish not brit

Er how on earth did you know i was eating Cornflakes? ah but bet you cant tell what type of milk i used, was it skimmed or semi skimmed? hmm tricky..!!!

Where did i say you voted labour ?? All i was asking was "Which party should the voters choose and why?" thats it, i answered your question..viv a vis...

And BTW your question was not for me if you care to remember but as anyone who knows me, im not afraid to post my slavering...Hoos poos ??
84

Venachar,

14/08/2008 12:18:07
Scottish N British

Your name wouldn't be Gordon would it? Are you writing a book on Britishness when you should be working?

As spook says Labour lost the local elections last time out. I just happen to have lived in two wards of the town. My original councillor resigned from the Labour party because she could not put up with their bad practices, say no more! Since then I have been represented by two very able SNP councillors who actually get out and communicate with people and at local level get things done.

So all you political theorists out there take note. The SNP have been working hard in Glenrothes for years and I bet they will win this seat especially if they pick one of the local councillors and not parachute in an incomer.

The plan hopefully is to do at national level what they've been doing successfully at local level. I for one could not see why I was being taxed by way of a bridge toll to either get in or leave Fife by the Forth or Tay bridges when elswhere there was no toll.

That was a real sharp move by the Labour and Lib dems to leave that bit of legislation in place.
85

Yeah1,

14/08/2008 12:18:25
See this quote from the Scotsman article entitled 'New Scots vote gives Brown three months to save political skin':

"The Nats' campaign machine has geared up in the area since last October, and it has spent the past few months canvassing 40,000 constituents after taking the corresponding Holyrood seat last year."

Also see this quote from Guardian article entitled 'MP's death leaves Brown facing new SNP challenge in neighbouring Fife constituency':

"Labour sources say the party has had an "under the radar" campaign in the constituency since it became clear he was terminally ill."

It seems rather less than respective that the SNP appear to have been campaigning in this constituency from the moment they realised the MP was terminally ill and there was likely to be a by-election shortly.

Of course the 'labour sources' may not be wholly truthful, but it looks like there is some evidence to back up the theory that the SNP have been somewhat predatory and rather uncaring by starting to campaign in this constituency while the MP lay dying.
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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:19:57
Scottish 'N British,14/08/2008 12:14:51
75

See 80 and get back to me.

Please.


er see my post at 74, now what about my question ?? You can dish it out but are to weak to take it back..
87

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:21:53
#85

Sniff sniff, ooh the big bad SNP, peel a fecking grape..lol
88

danielrober,

14/08/2008 12:23:49
# 81 The Spook in Leith

I'm hardly screaming, it's just a little bit of reality. You spend money that not yours, you need to pay it back. Is that not what this credit crunch is about, excess spenders paying back what they owe, before they can borrow more.

Oh if i was able to vote is this by-election it would most likley be for the Lib-Dems. The most popular action by the Scotish Parliment so far has been to end University fees. I don't agree with this idea but i can admire how the Lib Dems got the policy through.
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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:26:24
#84 Venachar

Nice post and i do believe that the SNP are doing a grand job at local level in Fife and im sure the voters of Glenrothes will reward the SNP with the Westminster seat in November or whenever that spineless stuttering broon gets of his backside and calls the by-election..unfortunately for labour the Glasgow fare does not extend to Fife so it may be held on Christmas eve or even boxing day..!!!
90

Yeah1,

14/08/2008 12:30:11
#87

"Sniff sniff, ooh the big bad SNP, peel a fecking grape..lol"

You may find such disrespectful and predatory electioneering funny but personally I think its pretty disgusting behaviour.

Starting to campaign in a constituency once they realised the MP was terminally ill and there was likely to be a by-election shortly is a pretty cynical and underhand act.

I'm sure if any other party had done such a thing you and your type would be the first to complain but because its the SNP you laugh it off and continue to bash labour for their 'cynical' tactics while ignoring the cynical tactics of your own party.
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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:30:33
#88

Okay your hyperventilating and not screaming, my apologies.

Now you wrote.."The most popular action by the Scotish Parliment so far has been to end University fees. I don't agree with this idea but i can admire how the Lib Dems got the policy through"

Now as im still at University i do agree with this policy but i sure as hell dont put it down to the good will of the Silly dems..Please read the Libdem website around student grants, loans and free education, it would make my marker pen sick..
92

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 12:31:15
74

Fife has had ALL of that in just over a year? Wow, they must be salivating, right enough.

You appear to have no idea of what the SNP would do for Glenrothes that would be any different to Scottish Labour didn't, possiblty because there is no alternative, no Plan B. Which is MY point.

lol

The romoval of tolls is populist. In saving users money it won't clear up congestion in Dundee city centre.

How's the Forth Road Bridge to be funded?

On the QMH we agree. But having saved this local hospital, I haven't seen any SNP (or any other) Fife politician demanding that Fife patients go to Fife hospitals rather than Edinburgh or Tayside for health treatment.

Nothing in The Courier. Any ideas?

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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:32:16
#90

Take it up with the SNP if that is your view on the issue, i apologize for me only on no one else, please remember that..

Now who do you think will win the SPL this season ?
94

Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire coast 14/08/2008 12:33:21
Grahamski @23, why do you assume that Alex Salmond wont be visiting Fife so much as Glasgow East ?,
95

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:33:44
#92

Pure riveting, im at post 94 your way back on #74, yawn i moved on..
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"Hoots" Fandango,

14/08/2008 12:35:42
Yeah yeah

"Starting to campaign in a constituency once they realised the MP was terminally ill and there was likely to be a by-election shortly is a pretty cynical and underhand act."

SNP says they will start campaigning AFTER the funeral.
97

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:36:25
#92

Who do you think will win the SPL the season ?

Hamilton are top of the table but i think that will be short lived, okay i have had enough slavering on this website for one day, as per usual it gets to personal and boring, im off..ta ta ..x
98

The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:36:39
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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:36:48
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The Spook in Leith,

14/08/2008 12:36:57
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Yeah1,

14/08/2008 12:38:42
#96

"SNP says they will start campaigning AFTER the funeral."

Read the quotes from the articles I refer to in post #85 - you will see that according to those articles the SNP began campaigning in this constituency last October, once they realised the MP was terminally ill and there was likely to be a by-election shortly.