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English doctors hail Scottish vision of NHS



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Published Date: 09 July 2008
NICOLA Sturgeon yesterday called on the NHS to remain true to its founding principles, as she outlined her vision for the service's future in Scotland.
The health secretary said there was a "battle of ideas" between Scotland and England, and insisted the SNP administration would not go down the route of market-led reform.

Speaking at the British Medical Association's national conference in Edinburgh, in front of an audience that included dozens of English doctors, Ms Sturgeon received two standing ovations.

By deliberately comparing and contrasting the direction of the NHS north and south of the Border, she underlined the different approaches to policy.

Doctors from England told Ms Sturgeon they were envious of the development of the NHS in Scotland, having faced years of fast-moving reform. But others questioned whether Scotland's approach would remain so popular in the long term.

Health campaigners and unions said Scotland still had serious problems to tackle, including hospital-acquired infections, health inequalities and death rates – which, in some areas, are the highest in the UK.

The Conservatives accused Ms Sturgeon of using the speech to push an independence agenda.

"This is all part of the SNP's independence creep," Mary Scanlon, the Scottish Tories' health spokeswoman, said.

"Everything they do and say is focused on wooing people to their cause in Scotland and encouraging feelings of grievance in England. But the bottom line is that, if they pursue their policy of excluding the private sector, Scotland will end up with a poorer health service than England, where ideology is not put before people's need."

Ms Sturgeon reaffirmed her commitment to keeping the NHS publicly funded, without private-sector input, and involving patients when deciding on crucial changes to services.

On Monday, Hamish Meldrum, the BMA chairman, called on England to follow Scotland and drop the internal-market approach, a system under which hospitals and the private sector compete for patients. Scotland abandoned this approach almost a decade ago.

Ms Sturgeon said last week's report on the future direction of healthcare in England, compiled by Lord Darzi, a surgeon and Labour peer, highlighted the different approaches north and south of the Border, with England moving towards increased private-sector involvement.

"I think there is a real battle of ideas going on between the different parts of the UK about the future direction of healthcare and the NHS," she said.

"It is a battle between the values of the market, of internal competition, and the values of public service, of co-operation and collaboration.

"In Scotland, we have set out our stall with absolute clarity. NHS Scotland is, and always will be, a service that is owned by the people of this country. We will continue to ensure that our policies reflect the ethos and the principles upon which the NHS was founded back in 1948."

The health secretary said that patients and the public were co-owners of the service, not consumers in a competitive market-place. "I believe very strongly that our model, the Scottish model, of delivering healthcare is the best way of meeting our healthcare needs," she said.

Ms Sturgeon received applause after repeating the Scottish Government's opposition to private funding for large hospital building projects.

She said the decision to fund the new £842 million Southern General Hospital in Glasgow entirely from public capital "illustrates our move away from the private finance initiative (PFI], which I think has been a bad deal for taxpayers and the country more generally".

There was yet more applause when she confirmed she was closing a legal loophole that would allow the private sector to move into providing primary care services, as revealed in The Scotsman yesterday.

However, David Lonsdale, CBI Scotland's assistant director, said: "Many GPs are already privately contracting to the NHS, which begs the question as to why others in the private sector are to be discriminated against simply because of their ownership model.

"A diversity of suppliers can make services more responsive, and drive innovation and value for money in the provision of public services."

Doctors at the conference did not appear to share these concerns, however. Dr Geoffrey Lewis, a consultant anaesthetist from Leicestershire, said many doctors in England had become disaffected by the "dramatic and radical changes" in the NHS.

"We look with envy at the systems present in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland," he said.

But opposition parties also questioned the SNP's stance against having the private sector in the Scottish NHS and cast doubt on the system proposed to replace PFI, the Scottish Futures Trust, amid concerns it is PFI under another name.

Jamie Stone, the Scottish Liberal Democrats' health spokesman, said: "The SNP's dogmatic approach is very short-sighted. The role of the private sector should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Patients are more concerned with receiving timely care than with who the provider is. We have a publicly funded health service of which we can be proud and the Scottish Government must prioritise patients over dogma."

Margaret Watt, chairwoman of the Scotland Patients Association, said: "We still have patients scared to go into hospital because of healthcare-acquired infections. We need to get matrons back on the ward to improve cleanliness. We also have to get a grip on health inequalities, which are still a major issue."

Ben Bradshaw, English Health Minister, insisted last night: "Our experience in England shows that a diversity of services improves access, quality and choice and is popular with the public."

Peter Terry, the chairman of the BMA in Scotland, said Ms Sturgeon had given an impressive performance.

"I am not saying that everything they are doing in England is wrong, but they have had all these changes thrown at them at once," he said.

"I think patients should be reassured by what she said about her commitment to health improvement and public involvement with the NHS."

She's got it wrong to insist on a state monopoly

COMMENTARY: Geoff Mawdsley


THERE is plenty of evidence that NHS patients in Scotland would benefit from a wider variety of healthcare providers.

Such diversity, whether provided by the private or voluntary sectors, can help drive innovation and so raise standards and improve value for money.

In England, outcomes for patients have improved as a direct result of this greater diversity. For example, the waiting-time target for hospitals of 18 weeks is set to be achieved this year, whereas in Scotland it is unlikely to be met until 2011.

And it's not just in England that such diversity exists, but in many other European countries that achieve high standards of care while ensuring everyone is guaranteed access to healthcare irrespective of their ability to pay.

What is the justification for preventing private companies from even bidding for GP contracts? If another provider can convince the health board that it can meet local health needs by providing high-quality care and better value for money, then why should they not be awarded the contract? After all, many GPs are themselves private contractors to the NHS and it seems unfair to exclude others simply because they are private companies.

It would be better to leave the decision to health boards as they are better placed to make such a decision.

What matters in all this is the service provided to the patient. By preventing private-sector companies from even bidding for GP contracts, Nicola Sturgeon is closing off an option that could lead to major improvements.

Surely it is worth at least seeing if such a move can improve patient care for the benefit of all.

And, as we have seen in many other countries, diversity of provision can be combined with a largely taxpayer-funded service.

There is no reason why we cannot have such a service here. One that puts the patient first and where there is a level playing field for different healthcare providers in Scotland. That is the pragmatic way of finding out what works.

Maintaining the NHS monopoly in service provision may bring applause at the BMA conference, but at what price for patients if key health indicators continue to lag behind those of other countries?

• Geoff Mawdsley is director of Reform Scotland, an independent think tank. Its aims are increased prosperity and more effective public services based on limited government, diversity and personal responsibility.

Hospitals to appoint 'nutrition champions'

Craig Brown


SCOTTISH hospitals are to appoint "nutrition champions" to help improve the quality of hospital food and boost standards.

The announcement was made by the health secretary, Nicola Sturgeon, as part of measures to address the issue.

Launching the Food, Fluid and Nutrition programme at Wishaw General Hospital in Lanarkshire, Ms Sturgeon said that £1.08 million has been made available to allow boards to appoint the new champions.

They will support the programme, which is the result of a review of the NHS Quality Improvement Scotland study on hospital nutrition that took place in 2003.

Hospitals will also receive extra information on dietary provision and guidance on how they can meet the new standards. A pilot monitoring programme of the improvements will initially be tested in NHS Forth Valley, Highland and Grampian.

Ms Sturgeon explained what the programme meant for patients. She said: "It will mean better-quality food and fluid in hospital.

"For those who are nutritionally vulnerable, it will mean their recovery will be aided as a result.

"Food in hospitals is one of these things that really matters to people. Probably, outside of clinical care, it's the single thing that affects a patient's experience.

"We've set very clear nutritional standards, the need for choice and for provision to be tailored to individual needs and preferences."

Ms Sturgeon said the focus on food quality was down to a more holistic approach to healthcare.

"I don't think it's ever been as high up the agenda as it should have been, and that's understandable to some extent as hospitals have to focus on the level of clinical care that they give to patients and that's absolutely right.

"I think now, though, there's greater emphasis on other aspects of patient care, whether they are treated with dignity and respect, and issues like food. All of that affects a patient's experience."

Maureen Lees, the chief dietitian for NHS Lanarkshire, said: "I think the way medicine has moved into the hi-tech, with advances in medical care and what we can do to cure people, the emphasis has come round to looking at basic health needs, making sure they're getting something they can eat, they like and can manage.

"Nutrition is fundamental to people getting better, we know that.

"We know that if we can feed people properly pre-op, then they will get better more quickly at the other end."

IN NUMBERS

158,000
Staff employed by the NHS in Scotland.

47,500
Nurses, midwives and health visitors

3,800
NHS consultants in Scotland

14
Scottish health boards

1.55 million
A&E visits last year

1,390
Scots who fail to turn up for hospital appointments every day

12,000
Number of hip and knee replacement operations carried out

178,929
Registered blood donors

13,000
Smoking-related deaths

15 million
Prescriptions dispensed in Scotland in first year of NHS

80 million
Prescriptions dispensed in Scotland last year

894,799
Patients discharged from Scottish hospitals last year

The full article contains 1898 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:06:10
Two standing ovations...This is from the Scotsman remember.

There were probably four.
2

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:07:40
Where's HM to say it's all a con and the SNP have no support from the doctors at all ?
3

subrosa,

09/07/2008 00:20:23
I can't see how private companies will do much good. We were told privatising the cleaning of hospitals would produce a higher standard all round. I still await it years later.
4

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09/07/2008 00:27:04
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Reason:
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:28:50

NICOLA Sturgeon, is Brilliant, better her, than some of the,..

'Yes Men, Three Bags Full Men'!, or,..

I am a 'Train Spotter' at Heart, but Like my Job as Health Minister!

You tell them Nicola!
6

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:30:14
#4, thank u for answering my #2.
7

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:34:45
Rhetoric based on dogma as exhibited by Ms Sturgeon is one thing. Actually delivering the best possible service for patients is quite another. All she is advocating is that there should be a single provider monopoly. In these circumstances it is hardly surprising that those who would have the comfort of working in such a monopoly (ie NHS doctors) welcome her rhetoric.
Surely the real issue is not adhering to public sector dogma and keeping doctors happy but keeping an open mind on what is the best service for the patients.
8

DouglasT,

09/07/2008 00:52:06
Strange how those speaking against the SNP vision are those with vested interests - CBI assistant director who represents business which sees potential profit eluding them, opposition parties who present opinion as directed by the London government, the English health minister who is part of the London government who say whatever they believe will get them out of trouble, regardless of truth.
9

DouglasT,

09/07/2008 00:59:26
Note also that the private investment in NHS England is largely from American companies whose profits are in the billions; and health service is one of the bigger headaches in the USA - beyond the reach of millions. Interesting too that what Ms Sturgeon is advocating is much as it was conceived by Labour at a time when it was a socialist party.
10

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 01:15:59
12 Douglas T
Speaking as somedody who is neither a member of govt nor an individual with a business interest, I do not see what is so great about this vision. When was the interest of the public ever served well by ensuring that their only option is a monopoly provider.

If you were finance minister and spoke to a group of RBS employees and informed them that they would be the only body allowed to provide financial services to the public they would probably give you a standing ovation. This would provide a comfortable existence for them but would it provide a good service for the public.

Which is more important - ensuring the best possible treatment for patients or adhering to socialist dogma?
11

Edward,

09/07/2008 01:24:45
Its interesting that BBC's Panorama program on Monday July 7th, titles 'NHS for Sale' literally exposed the way the Westminster Government are introducing a privatised NHS by the back door. Where Hospitals built for two or three hundred million pounds, are costing the PCT's 3 times the amount (sounds familiar) due to PFI/PPP set up by Labour. The BBC exposed US Healthcare companies lining up to take control of the NHS all aided by Labour. It was also interesting that last night's Newsnight Scotland had a piece on the Nicola Sturgeon speech, but actually questioned the differences between the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in England and even tried to portray the NHS in England as being better off! (Suggest Sally Magnusson , who done the Panoram report, get a tape of the program to Gordon Brewer, as he obviously didnt see it! - He didnt even make any refernce to it)
12

Wisnaeme,

09/07/2008 01:40:46

Post 2. McMadman.

Assumption is not best expressed by ignorant comment, particularly when it's influenced by dislikes.

Many doctors, particularly GPs practicing in England are appalled at the direction the NHS is travelling.
These New Labour privateer imposed super duper medicar erm medical centres for example.

The Scottish government are to be applauded on their duty of care in protecting the NHS and those who depend on it. Particularly with their policy of being against the grasping claws of commercialism as championed by New Labour and Tory privateers and carpetbaggers.

Be thankful for the SNP and this policy of theirs, Mr Madman. The alternative would have been to have Labour in power in Scotland and doing as as they were telt from London. That Sir, would entail the same policies of privatisation that are now being put into practice in England. If I were you, I would get down on bended knee for this "seperatist" policy.
.
.
13

Wisnaeme,

09/07/2008 01:51:56

Edward.

heard the lastest?

Tens of $millions have gone disappeared in the USA.

Apparently dead doctors have been ordering expensive medical equipement at the expence of Medicare.

Aye, Free enterprise works, according to the privateers anyways.
.
14

Andrew D,

BNE 09/07/2008 01:54:36
"She's got it wrong to insist on a state monopoly"

Because we know that businesses (who are legally bound to produce the best profits for their shareholders) will always look out for the patients best interests more than a government of the people.

Just like we see in the USA.

Oh wait a minute...
15

Edward,

09/07/2008 02:04:54
Worth a watch for anyone who missed it
http://tinyurl.com/699ao8
16

Edward,

09/07/2008 02:07:12
#17 Wisnaeme
Wasnt Unicare, by any chance?
Unicare was quoted on the Panorama as a US healthcare company thats got more law suites an illegal goings on than you can shake a stick at, strange how Labour attract these types
17

Andrew D,

BNE 09/07/2008 02:29:05
Edward. TinyURL is wrong?
18

Edward,

09/07/2008 02:40:49
#21 Andrew
It is correct, but it may be only viewable in the UK
just copy and paste the link onto your browser bar
you should get a bbc web page with video

http://tinyurl.com/699ao8
19

DouglasT,

09/07/2008 03:17:18
14 Ugly George

I think you posed the wrong question, try instead ...

Which is more important - ensuring the best possible treatment for patients or providing profit to commercial entities?
20

Andrew D,

BNE 09/07/2008 03:29:43
Strange... tinyURL itself is complaining

"Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to.

Please check that the URL entered is correct. To learn more about TinyURL.com, please visit the homepage."
21

bring them on,

09/07/2008 03:39:31
#6

Charles

Thanks for your post.

It is the only decent one so far.
22

An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 04:56:55
15Edward, 09/07/2008 01:24:45 wrote:

"Its interesting that BBC's Panorama program on Monday July 7th, titles 'NHS for Sale' literally exposed the way the Westminster Government are introducing a privatised NHS by the back door. Where Hospitals built for two or three hundred million pounds, are costing the PCT's 3 times the amount (sounds familiar) due to PFI/PPP set up by Labour. The BBC exposed US Healthcare companies lining up to take control of the NHS all aided by Labour. It was also interesting that last night's Newsnight Scotland had a piece on the Nicola Sturgeon speech, but actually questioned the differences between the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in England and even tried to portray the NHS in England as being better off! (Suggest Sally Magnusson , who done the Panoram report, get a tape of the program to Gordon Brewer, as he obviously didnt see it! - He didnt even make any refernce to it)"

Ye beat me tae it. Well said.
23

An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 05:08:39
It's interesting the way language is distorted by corporate pimps. Public ownership becomes a "monopoly" while corporate ownership is characterized as "diversity"? Make no mistake - corporate entities want to take over publicly owned services. They will tell you all kinds of convoluted drivel to get you onside, but their goal is ownership and control of services you own.

NHS - NOT FOR SALE!
24

M.T.,

09/07/2008 08:16:04
With no connection to the NHS, I have spoken to several colleagues in various types of business in England over the past weeks. Out of the blue, two expressed an growing admiration for the SNP for the way they put the Scottish people first.
They said, how much better it would be if the Westminster government put the British people and British industry first

25

Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:32:17
If this had been a London Labour Health Secretary speaking to BMA it would have been covered on National TV and standing ovation shown throughout the land.

Just another reason for a Scottish Broadcasting Corporation.
26

Joe,

Livingston 09/07/2008 08:34:31
Is Nicola's intentions to allow our surgeries to continue using revenue raising 0844 telephone numbers.?
This in it's self a 'booking fee' to make an appointment to visit one's GP.?
27

Alasdair,

09/07/2008 08:55:17
Good question Joe, I have no idea, although personally I hope that will be addressed at some point.

I'd throw the question back at you perhaps, and ask what your opinion is of the parties that allowed the practise to begin?
28

Micropacer,

09/07/2008 09:29:09
Most Scots (and most English too) I believe want a non-Private NHS.

What concerns me is value for money - are we getting it? It doesnt appear so. Like so many National companies the NHS wastes money on a grand scale.

Most of us support the NHS as it is. Is it because its the best way to run a Health service or because we know no better?

I see vague references to the US in previous posts. There are a lot more Health services than the US in the world.

Who has the best and how is it run? We should open out minds a bit IMO. Maybe we have the best way - maybe not but there is a lot of closed thinking going on.

Of course the BMI will love the Scottish NHS as its too the Doctors benifit - is it to our benifit?
29

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 09:51:51
#23

That's a false choice. There is nothing to say we can't have both, indeed, Switzerland does have booth. State health insurance and private delivery in Switzerland has created a very good health service.

However, that doesn't mean that a free-market solution is always best anymore than the excellent state schools in Finland (best in Europe) mean that a state solution is always best. We might just have to try different things and see which one works.

Right now, the NHS in Scotland is doing pretty well without privatisation, so let's keep on this track as long as it is working, I say.
30

Boggle fey the Bog,

09/07/2008 09:52:43
Interesting article from the Hootsmaun, apparently being unbiased and favourable to a 'Nationalist' politico, until you read the biased commentary below the article.
If comment from the 'chair' of an 'Independent' think tank is balanced so mote it be, but firstly consider the man's 'unbiased' pedigree, Goeff Mawdsley, Chair of Reform, an 'Independent' think tank, was a Tory Party member and candidate for Stirling in the 2001 election has been an advisor to Sir Malcolm Rifkind,Ian Lang and David McLetchie. Since graduating from Edinburgh University in 1989 has worked for the Tory Party in Scotland, holding various positions.

Hardly an 'Independent' view don't ya think?

Only in the Hootsmaun would they 'follow up' this rebuttal, not with a balancing comment from another 'Independent Commentator', but instead with another story.

So I reckon 4/10 to the Hootsmaun for trying to appear unbiased.
It would appeared to have taken some people in too!!

Now for the Lib-Dems to condemn is farcical as they, along with Nu Labour/Owld Torie were instrumental in moving the Scottish NHS away from the failing English model, albeit only for the financial benefit of their criminal cohorts in 'business'.

And for Unionist to complain the Ms Sturgeon and all the SNP people use everything to attract people to the idea of Independence is really a bit off, let's consider their pedigree and the Union Dividend,

Tories - Poll Tax, Dismantling of the workers protection, selling off the 'family silver' theft of oil revenues.

Nu Labour/Owld Torie - Surrender of sovereignty to the EU, one way extradition treaty with the USA, further dismantling of Workers Protection, Illegal wars, Corruption, Criminality, Increase in number living in absolute poverty, further wasting of Oil Revenues, increasing the tax burden on the poorest section of our community, introduction of laws designed to restrict the freedom of the citizen, to carry out their 'lawful business', I could go on but I
31

Boggle fey the Bog,

09/07/2008 09:53:32
cont from #34

Nu Labour/Owld Torie - Surrender of sovereignty to the EU, one way extradition treaty with the USA, further dismantling of Workers Protection, Illegal wars, Corruption, Criminality, Increase in number living in absolute poverty, further wasting of Oil Revenues, increasing the tax burden on the poorest section of our community, introduction of laws designed to restrict the freedom of the citizen, to carry out their 'lawful business', I could go on but I think you all know.

Lib/Dems, propping up a discredited government, willingness to abandon their 'core beliefs' for a place at the 'trough', No policies. No ideas. Sleaze and corruption.
32

bluehead,

edinburgh 09/07/2008 10:07:38
another good reason for independence,privatization has been the curse on this country,where ever you look.
33

Publius,

London 09/07/2008 10:28:25
A lot of complacency by Nicola Sturgeon and many of the posts on this board. NHS Scotland can't be that good or Scotland would not be one of the most unhealthiest countries in Europe.
Also you wait to get into hospital for longer than in most European countries and when you get there there is a good chance of catching an infection.
34

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/07/2008 10:39:06
#37 Give it time. The SNP have only been in charge for a year - they've got half a century of Labour's mess to clean up, which created such poverty in places like Glasgow East that people can't afford healthy food and have no opportunities for sport or exercise or any form of entertainment other than drinking and smoking.
35

sm753,

09/07/2008 11:02:43
Headline should read as follows:

"Entrenched trade union for the rich applauds as devolved Executive ducks badly-needed reforms".

We were here before in the 60s and 70s - worked well, didn't it?
36

The Spook in Leith,

09/07/2008 11:22:53
37

The USA spends more on Health care than any other country and is the richest country in the world yet one of the least healthiest countries in the world ?

Funny old world we live in..
37

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/07/2008 11:24:27
Charles Linskaill

Good morning, sir, and also to your DYW.

It is good to see that you agree with something in the NHS in Scotland since you have had some sad experiences with getting pregnant - I mean your DYW.

Many, many times it takes a WOMAN to do a man's job.

I am sure Horrible Cankers will agree if she has arisen from her virgin bed yet.

Good morning, HC, and did we sleep well ALONE for once?
38

antifa,

09/07/2008 11:28:00
39 - can you point to one piece of evidence that shows these "badly needed reforms" have been a success in England?
39

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:29:35
36 bluehead
Are you old enough to remember the days when the telephone industry was a state run? Getting a telephone was like trying to buy a Lada in the old Soviet Union. You had to go through a bureaucratic process and "apply" for a phone. You then had to wait months for a standard take it or leave it item. The problem was that being a state monopoly it did not have to bother about providing a good service for the customer. That is what happens when you have state monopolies - you get Ladas and poor service.
40

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 11:34:35
42 antifa
Read the article in full. It states the the NHS in England is making better progress in cutting waiting lists than the NHS in Scotland.
41

Delphinian,

Delphi 09/07/2008 11:40:54
43 Ugly George

The difference between today's health industry and the old telecom is that patients have the option of going private.

ok, that only applies if they can afford it, but that is the issue at the heart of any public service - limited resources.

why should those limited resources be spent on private companies. the option is paying the price (NHS) or the price plus profit margin (private).

there is no monopoly - only a monopoly of state provision.
42

Miss H,

09/07/2008 12:19:05
14 I don’t think you really get this. The NHS is not a monopoly provider. People can go private if they want to. What is different about Scotland is that public money is not going to pay private, profit-making healthcare providers. If individuals want to use a private provider that’s up to them and if private healthcare companies want to make a profit out of them then good luck to them. That’s the way markets work but not the way public services work.
43

Miss H,

09/07/2008 12:24:08
34 Yes it can be. The focus of the NHS is on treatment - not prevention. What we are not good at in Scotland is prevention. But that is partly because every time the Government attempts to bring in more preventative measures everyone screams 'nanny state'.
44

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 12:28:52
42 Delphinian
As you stated there is, in effect, a monopoly for the majority of the population who cannot afford to go private. But let us take a simple example. If you are waiting for a hip relacement and a private hospital has spare capacity why not let the private hospital carry out the replacement and charge the NHS the equivalent cost if that hospital feels that it can do so viably. The patient is taken off the waiting list and the cost is no more than would be incurred anyway. What is the problem with that? The only problem seems to be that it does not adhere to socialist dogma. Obviously this is more important than the welfare of the patient.
45

danielrober,

09/07/2008 13:02:56
So another Lib Dem health policy is applauded by the wider national audiance. Followed immediatley by the climaing intellectual rights by the SNP, Labour and Conseravtaive parties.

Maybe we could have a miority government lead by the Lib Dems, backed up by other the reasonable MSP's? Silly question the three main parties have been stopping electroial reform that would give a faire voice to the electorate for decades.


No doubt Nicola Sturgeon with 'shout and bore' are waiting for another inceaseing the price of oil to justify poor political timing.

46

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 13:12:32
Wow, bet that headline hurt Scotsman editorial staff.

As someone who joined the SNP in 1964 (yes there are some of us still alive since those days) I have often cringed at executive members of the party speaking in public.

Not these days however. The SNP has a wealth of talent to call on from Salmond down. None so than Nicola Sturgeon who can not only string huge numbers of sentences together whilst still breathing in a normal manner (as oppossed to frothing and spluttering a la Lord Foolkes and others) but who also speaks sense at the same time.

I hope she is going to spend as much time on the streets of Glasgow East as possible. She will inject sufficient confidence into that section of the community downtrodden by decades of Labour and Tory Governmental neglect.

It would also be great if Margo and Jim made numerous appearances as well. We need all hands to the pump if this is to be won.

47

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/07/2008 13:14:14
#48 So how come all the disastrous PFI projects that are costing us all billions in order to make private profit were implemented when the Lib Dems were propping up the Labour administration in Holyrood for a decade?
48

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/07/2008 13:16:20
#40 Yeah, whereas now you get ripped off with a staggering £125 "connection fee", even if there's already a phone line there when you move in. MUCH better.
49

danielrober,

09/07/2008 13:28:53
# 50

Poor engineering and construction. I'd sue.
50

Miss H,

09/07/2008 13:46:05
47 Nobody objects to that- and it happens now. So stop setting up straw men arguments.

The question is whether you want to privatise the NHS.

51

Andrah,

Embrugh 09/07/2008 14:01:58
This dogmatic adherence to a failed ideology will ensure our heath service remains rooted in the stone age. We will continue to provide a health service equivalent to the East German Trabant whilst other leading countries develop their BMW-Mercedes versions courtesy of the superior innovation and management which the private sector can offer.
52

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 14:43:39
50 Rev
Have you studied how the cost of telephonig has come down in the last 20 years since privatisation. Companies have invested billions and compete against each other to provide internet, broadband, local and international calls at a fraction of what they used to be. Do you think that the old stste run GPO would have done that?
53

Miss H,

09/07/2008 15:00:12
54 You mean like America?
54

Florence,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 15:55:05
49 - BRIAN HILL: I agree with your post except for the final paragraph. You're not really being serious, are you? Not Jim Sillars, please. Anyone but that self-serving character.
55

Roy Forrester,

Bloomsburg 09/07/2008 15:58:36
#37 Show your sources and prove your statements.
# 46 Why do you need to have a government do everything for you. What happened to the Scots "Get up and go". Surely prevention is something we can all take care of for ourselves and then use the health system to take care of unpreventable illness!
56

Scottish 'N British,

09/07/2008 16:09:30
Nikki Sturgeon is carrying on from where the last Executive left off.

private healthcare - F f f f, go away.

England, you have been warned.
57

John Cameron,

Broughty Ferry 09/07/2008 16:46:00
This is the usual depressing dogma from the Scottish political Left. The idea that ordinary people "own" the Scottish NHS in the sense of having any control over either it or their own destiny is patronizing clap-trap. Why do politicians such as Sturgeon feel so threatened when ordinary people want to exercise a little freedom and a little choice? I suppose with the rise of this new national socialist state we should not be surprised.
58

Regret,

09/07/2008 17:10:00
#60 Has a pretty good idea of what is going on. It wouldn't matter who was running the show as long as it was done with compassion, honesty and a desire to help heal the injured and sick. But is compassion for the people being replaced with the love of money and power?
59

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 09/07/2008 17:37:00
Let's dispel the notion that the NHS provides health care free at the point of need. "Free" in the sense that billions of pounds of tax are poured into it? It can't be at the point of need when dentists are actively withdrawing from the service and people including me cannot get an NHS dentist so I must go private. It would be far fairer if those who go private get an equivalent tax rebate. No wonder doctors are in favour when they can wrestle a handsome 100,000+ salary in a virtual monopoly system!
60

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 19:19:41
I think that we need to dispel a few misconceptions. There seems to be an underlying dogma that a business working for a profit is somehow evil. But why? Do the doctors and nurses in the NHS work for nothing - of course they don't. They work for a salary. In the same way a business working in the NHS works for a profit. There is no essential difference. The crucial aspect is how do you manage and organise the doctors, nurses , businesses, auxiliaries etc. in the best and most efficient means to ensure the best possible outcome for the patients. If that means mixing the use of in house employees with contracted businesses then why not? That is a much more open minded and pragmatic approach than insisting, for reasons of dogma, that everything must be done exclusively by our state employees.
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Kitti Kat,

09/07/2008 22:32:10
I don't know where @10 got the private insurance companies are bad--at least that's the way I read it. Anyway, I have private insurance and am very happy with it. I can visit my gp and if not happy I can see a specialist without having to wait for weeks for a "consultant" to contact me. My husband needed quadrupple by pass and it was done the minute the docs diagnosed the problem. Not weeks on a waiting list as was my friend in Edinburgh (who is STILL waiting). I pray that the dems here don't force all of us to get on board with a national health. I;m all for it for people who have no insurance but for those of us who can afford private insurance we should not have to be involved. The less people involved in deciding what my doctors (and me) decide what is best for me , the better. I don't want someone sitting in an office making those decisions for me. PS The hospital I go to has its own cleaners and the place is immaculate. Infact my English friends who visited my husband in hospital couldn't remarked that the hospital they have to go to was never that clean. So, maybe private ins. is not for everyone but then again, I don't want anything to do with national health.
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Joe Macdelta.,

06/08/2008 17:22:04
#61- So when your nice surgeon in the private hospital botches your OP, as has been done before countless times, then you wont want anything to do with NHS, who has the equipment and expertise.

 

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