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SNP accused of Alexander smear campaign after leak



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Published Date: 16 June 2008
THE SNP was accused last night of a "politically motivated" smear campaign against Wendy Alexander after a confidential committee report about the Scottish Labour leader was leaked to the press.
Jim Dyer, the Standards Commissioner, has prepared a report into the donations Ms Alexander received for her leadership campaign last year.

It is understood that Dr Dyer concluded that Ms Alexander broke parliamentary rules by not declaring the £1
6,000 for her campaign as "gifts" in the register of members' interests.

Ms Alexander did not declare the money because she had sought legal advice from the clerks to the standards committee and had been told she did not need to do so.

Details of Dr Dyer's report appeared in the press over the weekend – even though it has not yet been given to members of the committee.

The only people to have seen the report were the clerks to the committee, Ms Alexander herself and Keith Brown, the SNP MSP who chairs the committee.

Senior Labour sources made it clear yesterday that they believed the leak had come from the SNP.

A Labour spokesman said: "This smacks of politics pure and simple, and it fits a pattern of the SNP's smear campaign against Wendy Alexander.

"There has been a raft of complaints against Ms Alexander to the Standards Commissioner, all from SNP activists. It is politically motivated abuse of the procedure."

In February, Ms Alexander revealed the details of ten supporters who each gave just under £1,000 to her successful leadership campaign last summer.

Mr Brown said that his role on the committee prevented him from making comments about any report into any complaint against Ms Alexander.

But an SNP spokesman said: "We are simply not aware of the conclusions of Dr Dyer's report, and will have to wait and see."

He added: "The only speculation on its content appears to be from Wendy Alexander's own spokesperson, and that may well be ill-advised."

Dr Dyer's report will go to committee members during the next few days and the committee will discuss the report in the next month, before deciding on a course of action.

The committee could recommend that Ms Alexander is suspended from the parliament but, given the initial legal advice which she received, telling her not to declare the donations, that extreme sort of punishment is very unlikely.

Instead, Ms Alexander is likely to be the subject of mild censure by the committee, bringing to an end more than six months of controversy over her leadership campaign and the donations she received.

BACKGROUND

WENDY Alexander faced a series of investigations over money raised for her Scottish Labour leadership campaign last year. The Electoral Commission looked into an illegal £950 donation from Jersey-based businessman Paul Green. The commission decided to rebuke Ms Alexander for not checking properly on the legality of the donation but in effect cleared her of any wrong-doing.

Jim Dyer, the Standards Commissioner, concluded earlier this year that Ms Alexander should have declared the donations as "gifts" and his report will now go to the Holyrood Standards Committee.



The full article contains 524 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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Angus Ogg,

15/06/2008 22:20:04

Hang on a minute, Hamish MacDonnell,

Wendy Alexander broke the law. Yes? No?

Yet here you are spinning a story that tries to fit up the SNP as the villains of the piece, when the harshest that could be said is they did an act of whistleblowing on a crook.

The BIG story as you appear to have forgotten is how Wendy Alexander escaped criminal prosecution.

For that matter how did Jackie Baillie escape a charge of being offensive to public decency, when she rants her claptrap on Newsnight and sundry media that waive a microphone in her direction? There was never a more apt saying than...

"Politics is show business for ugly people".
2

Highland Mighty,

16/06/2008 00:05:25
Come on, SNP-types!

This article has been up for nearly ten minutes and this is the best you can do?

Get the emails out and get the others here!
3

Highland Mighty,

16/06/2008 00:07:59
Whoa, just noticed that this article is actually HOURS old!

Where are they all?

Is there an SNP torchlight gathering on tonight?
4

ThomasP,

16/06/2008 00:09:52
Labour are upset that the SNP may be operating a smear campaign agaist Wendy Alexander?

Not only was the donations illegal but did Labour not campaign during the Scottish Elections and tried to damage the SNP name by making comments that "If the SNP are elected then that would cost each Scots 5,000 extra annually."

If the SNP are playing the smear campaign then it suggests to me that the SNP are playing Labours game and happen to be playing it better then Labour themselves.

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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 00:16:03
Highland Mighty.

Can I ask why you are waiting for Nationalists to comment?

I am a Nationalist and I have commented. However, I do not see how my opinion can be that different from others, including Unionists.
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Richardinho,

16/06/2008 00:17:54
So what proof is there of a 'smear campaign'?

"A Labour spokesman said: "This smacks of politics pure and simple, and it fits a pattern of the SNP's smear campaign against Wendy Alexander."

None other than that Labour want it to be true, so supposedly it is.
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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 00:21:46
Richardinho.

There is no hard evidence to support the views of Labour.

However, as I stated earlier that Labour have participated in the lowest of the low campaigns themselves. To argue against the SNP when the SNP may be doing their own smear campaign is just two-faced.
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subrosa,

16/06/2008 00:24:15
The SNP smearing the labour party? There's no need for them to waste any efforts doing that - the labour party continue to do a marvellous job smearing themselves with dirt.
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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 00:28:53
McPravda Blog.

Great a comedian benefiting from Labours troubles.

Who could blame them, eh?
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moral___superiority_,

16/06/2008 01:09:19
Traquir - Gabhaidh e e 'sa thoin/anns a' thoin
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Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 16/06/2008 01:12:57
Is this the best the Scotsman has to offer today?

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki Jnr
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DouglasT,

16/06/2008 01:14:20
I note its a quote which is from Mr Macdonell's regular source - the spokesman with no name. Time the Scotsman hired some journalists.
19

Arnold Codger,

Glasgow 16/06/2008 01:19:59
I knew Jackie Baillie at Caledonian University. Trust me, she is a real B****. She even snarled at me, can you believe, when i first sat accross from her in the refectory. This oh-so-charming posh accent she talks with in an over-delberate way when on tv is not her own by the way, shes been coached. She is a jealous, pernicious, callious bulldog of a woman, realy she is, trust me. She's got a bite at Nicola here and, of course, she doesn't miss! Nicola has accepted it, god help everyone in this; including especially the medical staff who were nye-on powerless against this most despicable yet determined bug. My faith is with Medical fraternity to sort this out and i am sure Nicola, who has implemented many laudable initiatives in recent months, will support those in the front line here - both the patients and medical staff. And yes a National Inquiry is required.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 16/06/2008 01:33:45
#26 Mcpravda Blog Are you last nights Mcpravda or you a new one?

I wonder!
21

moral___superiority_,

16/06/2008 01:44:07
McPravda Blog is a Pitean
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Edward,

16/06/2008 01:48:17
Ah Hamish MacDonnell again been breifed by Labour
Its funny that the Scotsman didnt report this on Sunday through the sister paper Scotland on Sunday. Can only presume Labour hadnt made up their breif in time, or Simon Pia doesnt work on Weekends
The story was covered in the Sunday Herald and funnily its more about Wendy Alexander in danger of being suspended from Holyrood, in fact the headline in the Sunday Herald is 'Wendy Alexander faces Holyrood ban after watchdog's guilty verdict'
LABOUR LEADER Wendy Alexander faces a Holyrood ban after a parliamentary sleaze watchdog found her guilty of breaking the rules on MSPs' conduct by not declaring donations to her leadership campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/6rudqe
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Edward,

16/06/2008 01:53:48
Also reported in the Sunday Times
tinyurl.com/3gmp8a
'MSPs may bar Wendy Alexander
Holyrood standards committee to decide Labour leader’s fate after late declaration of donations'

Strange no mention of any leaks ineither the Sunday Times or the Sunday Herald, perhaps Simon Pia doesnt have there number, or perhaps they dont take breifings from Labour Spin doctors
24

Celyn,

Sighthill, Glasgow 16/06/2008 02:31:25
She broke the law. Why would anyone have the tiniest need to "smear" her?
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piehutt,

RoS 16/06/2008 02:41:18
Once again the Labour reaction to a news story becomes the focus of the article rather than the actual news story.

Fairly pathetic really. The actual event should be the story, reactions should be no more than a foot note.

Primary One Journalism... if anyone at the Scotsman has ever studied this mystical and befuddling subject.
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Guga II,

Rockall 16/06/2008 03:16:50
This is typical of the Hootsmon's attempts at journalism. They take a story about the sleaze and corruption in the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch), and try and turn it round to make it look as if the SNP are the ones at fault. Even the Daily Retard would not be as crass as that.

Mr. Hootsmon Editor, your newspaper's political bias is showing, once again. You really need to have a talk with some of these so-called journalists you employ.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 16/06/2008 03:18:12
#29 Moral -Superiority I am well aquainted with pitean.

But that does not answer my question.
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Maisie from Morningside,

16/06/2008 04:13:18
@7 I don't think this poll is fair.
It should be taken again and Jimmie Krankie included.

I think he'd finish ahead of Wendy Alexander too.
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Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 16/06/2008 05:09:33
Hamish Macdinell's article had the wrong headline. It should have read "Labour accused of SNP smear campaign after leak".
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/06/2008 05:38:20
How can you smear someone who by their own conduct insists on festooning themselves with political feces?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 16/06/2008 05:48:45
2 - Highland unMighty it was in the Sunday Herald but the SoS chose to ignore it.
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 16/06/2008 06:20:57
Interesting spin that different journalists put on this story.In yesterday's Sunday Herald the emphasis was on Wendy Alexander breaking the rules and a possibility of her being suspended from Parliament.Today,in the Scotsman ,it is apparently the SNP's fault.

I do not know who leaked this story but there is no evidence that it was the SNP.In any case,Labour have no leg to stand on after taking part in a campaign to smear Alec Salmond over several weaks.Todays spin is an attempt to divert attention from the real issue.The issue is that:

1) Labour introduces legislation and rules designed to restrict the amount of funding given to the SNP by supporters living abroad.
2) Labour violated their own rules and were found out.

The nub of this issue and the question that needs to be asked is:

Do the rules not apply to Labour,only the SNP and other political opponents?
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catgut,

pomona 16/06/2008 06:26:28
Now we know what was in that orange folder found on the train.

Does any government report nowadays not get leaked?
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TommyKaye,

UK 16/06/2008 06:38:05
The long-running saga over donations to Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander's leadership campaign took a fresh twist yesterday when it was reported Jim Dyer, the Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, had submitted a report to a parliamentary committee stating the Paisley North MSP should have declared the contributions.

Members of the standards, procedures and public appointments committee will consider his report and if they decide Ms Alexander has breached the rules she could face being suspended from Holyrood as a possible punishment.

But a spokesman for Ms Alexander said: "The facts are not before the committee and it is wrong to speculate on their decision."


Labour also accused the Nationalists of carrying out a smear campaign against her, pointing out that all the formal complaints against Ms Alexander have come from SNP activists.

"This smacks of politics pure and simple, and it fits a pattern of the SNP's smear campaign against Wendy Alexander," said her spokesman. "There has been a raft of complaints against Ms Alexander to the Standards Commissioner, all from SNP activists. It is a politically motivated abuse of the procedure."

In February, Ms Alexander revealed the details of 10 supporters who each gave just under £1000 to her leadership campaign after receiving advice from Dr Dyer, the Standards Commissioner. This was after clerks to Holyrood's Standards Committee told her last November that she did not need to register the donations on the parliament's register of MSP interests.

But Labour said Mr Dyer later told them this was incorrect and he sent a report to the procurator-fiscal in Lothian and Borders on the matter.

The Crown Office responded by concluding that prosecuting Ms Alexander over the failure to register donations would "not be appropriate", but Mr Dyer went on to get advice from a senior counsel which forms the basis of the report to the standards committee.

Investigations by the parliament's standard'
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 16/06/2008 06:54:52
I wonder if George W will manage to find the time in his farewell tour to visit Wendy before she eventually says farewell to Holyrood, and joins Wee Joke in some far off part, well out of the way?
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 16/06/2008 07:01:52
jackie i ate all the buffet bailiie says it is a smear campaign by the snp

how do you smear wendy the bung who already admits to breaking the law, smear is when it is not true,she does not understand between truth and lie,thats the labour stasi party for you
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 16/06/2008 07:04:03
Jackie Baillie scares me. Is your MSP meant to be as scary as that? :-O

Wendy Alexander scares me. Is a person hoping to lead Scotland one day (nae chance!) meant to be as scary as that?

Liebore scares me. Is a........you get the picture :-)
38

Geoff,

sa 16/06/2008 07:15:43
7 The Spook in Leith-who's this Dont Know geezer?
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donald,

glasgow 16/06/2008 07:16:23
"Yeah, but. No, but.
It wisnae me.
It wis the SNP.
Yeah, but. No, but ...
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Geoff,

sa 16/06/2008 07:24:03
7 Spook-ok spook so I shouldnt give up my day job but the size of the Dont Know vote-more than three out of ten-thats a scary stat! A kind interpretation of this stat is that they havnt really thought about the issue. More likely though is-Dont Know-duh. And Dont Care! More than enough ammo in 31% to sway an election. And these people have the vote?
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Geoff,

sa 16/06/2008 07:28:09
Wendy Alexander should resign. Labour are in a hopeless mess and need to fina a new leader with some credibility. But I think you guys are making too much of this issue. The SNP and Alex S. are riding high but beware of throwing stones too quickly and too righteously- every political party has one!
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waldenman,

East Lothian 16/06/2008 07:33:26
#20 Agreed, postings from Traquir, Alba, carry more information and hard facts than the 'newspaper' in which they're published.
More power to his/her keyboard!!

What on earth is going on at the once mighty 'Hootsmon'?
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clola,

north sae 16/06/2008 07:33:57
Guys, a read at the Aberdeen Press and Journal on a monday [including the Energy supplement] will keep you abreast of the oil/gas developments. The Hootsmon is appalling biased in its delivery, even though Wood Mackenzie are next door with rooms full of stats and information.
Those of us who work regularly for the oil and gas boys have known all along that there was more in the ground than had already been extracted. it will be a wee bit more difficult to get out, but the new technologies will make it happen, remember always 'necessity is the mother of invention'.
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Geoff,

sa 16/06/2008 07:46:00
Good news about the North Sea. This will also make other marginal and difficult fields more viable-including the reliably estimated 60 billion barrel Falklands resource.
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 16/06/2008 07:46:59
#49 Geoff,I agree with your point.It is not the crime of the century.In fact I don't believe that it should be a crime at all.There are two issues here that are important:

1) We need a level playing field to ensure that a political party cannot massively outspend their opponents.

2) Labour has tried to prevent a level playing field by trying to deny their opponents,especially the SNP, from recieving funds from supporters abroad,such as Sean Connery.They have been caught in their own snare,so they can hardly complain about this getting into the public domain.

Labour supporters are keen to critise certain people who fund the SNP.Actually I believe that if Sean Connery and Brian Souter funded Labour,you would hear very little criticism.I am happy to see the funds that can be spent at elections capped,even thought my party (the SNP) are now more succesful in fundraising.However,in view of the fact that the media is not neutral,it is important under the present rules that my party obtains as much funding as possible.Of course this funding has to be legal and comply with certain standards.This also applies to Labour.Perhaps they will learn to be more carefull in the future?

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Jimmy the Pie,

16/06/2008 07:47:29
#49 Geoff
Who is able to lead New Labour Sleaze??

Red Wendy - Utterly incompetent. Brain the size of a small pea, ego as big as a large planet.

Maggie Curren - Utterly incompetent. Brain the size of a very small pea, mouth as big as a huge planet.

Jackie Baillie - Utterly incompetent. Brain the size of a crumb, appetite similar to a basking shark.

As for the male members, well the less said the better!






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Jimmy the Pie,

16/06/2008 08:01:49
If New Labour Sleaze are getting fed up of this story, they could always make public the e-mails, that would clear Red Wendy of accepting illegal backhanders.
Us Nats would then have nothing to complain about.

Quite simple really. You would have thought someone of Red Wendy's intellect would have worked that one out!!
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Geoff,

sa 16/06/2008 08:04:20
53 Suomi-difficult question the funding one but agree with you that it needs strict control. When one looks at American politics it is clear that many politicians have attained high office on the backs of interested parties megabucks!

54 Jimmy the Pie-agree James there is nobody "in-house" to match Alex Salmond or even the LibDem and tory leaders in Holyrood. Dont know what the answer is for Labour.
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Calum Crubag,

16/06/2008 08:16:39
#22 Moral superiority - Gàidhlig mhath ach nach tu an salachar an-seo. Bidh an luchd diadhaidh as do dheidh!
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An Beal Bacht,

16/06/2008 08:25:13
Skelpit erse.
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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 08:34:01
53 Suomi,Salo,Finland

I disagree totally that there should be a limit to how much a Party can receive and spend.

If we had a limit then there would be calls for the funding to be given from the Treasury, similar calls have been suggested at Westminister.

This would ensure all the Parties have the same to spend.

However, the SNP started as a small Party but has quickly worked hard and won Government.

If the SNP can do it then other Parties can also.
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Toast,

16/06/2008 08:35:32
God I am so sick of labour and its pathetic negative policies,I would not be one bit suprised if they leaked the story themselves, that is about the strength of their gutter politics.
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McMadman,

Saor Alba 16/06/2008 08:38:22
She broke the rules. Fact. Indeed I gather this is not disputed; the only dispute from Liebour is whether this was unintentional as they claim and what if any sanctions should follow.

Liebour accusing the SNP of a smear ? Unproven. Might yet end up being proven, but who knows. In which case, Liebour need to stop thir greetin; they've smeared plenty of people in the past and no doubt will do so again. If you can't take it don't dish it out.
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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 08:40:06
I actually saw somewhere that Labour have been breaking the rules since 2002 when the strict donating rules started.

They decided to teach the Parties what was allowed and not allowed and never actually 'laid down the law' in force to show that they were seriose.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 16/06/2008 08:54:13
What must puzzle many voters and, irrespective of the source of the leak, the fact is that Ms. Alexander received large financial donations to campaign for the so-called leadership election of the Labour Party in Scotland in which she was UNOPPOSED?

How could Labour have got into such a mess?

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Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 16/06/2008 08:57:36
No smears necessary - just leave her to her own devices.
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Number 6,

Germany 16/06/2008 08:59:00
Yes , how dare the SNP point out this sleazy haridan's corrupt practises. It's as if Labour think you are supposed to get away with being corrupt. They still have not got it into their thick corrupt heads , that they are no longer in power and can therefore no longer hide their crimes. More light needs to be shed on this dreadful woman and the sooner the better.
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Breezy,

Argyll 16/06/2008 09:02:09
Leaks ?? Taxi for Alexander !
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Symmachus,

Rome 16/06/2008 09:04:54
For the love of Jove,

Politicians are meant to smear each other. Wendy should be grateful that she is so useless the SNP have allowed her to live rather than throwing her into the Amphitheatrum Flavium with the bears. But even they would probably left her alone due to her gobbus terribilis.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/06/2008 09:09:41
Now that Labour have caught up with the Freedom of Information Legislation can they now put their heads together and come up with a better method of releasing the information than leaving it on trains!
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Alasdair,

16/06/2008 09:10:44
This paper gets better every day. The rest of the press covers the story, the Hootsmon sets Hamish McDonnell on damage-control mode.
Who would have thought 15 years ago that the once proud Scotsman would seek to emulate the Daily Record?
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 16/06/2008 09:16:25
#61ThomasP okay you have a different view,however the SNP does favour capping election spending.I am okay with it but not until everyone agrees and certainly not until(if ever) we get a neutral media at election times.

As a vetern SNP activist,I do understand that the old days of fighting an election with £1000 (per constituency) obtained from members donations and jumble sales, are long gone.Advertising,telephone canvassing and use of the internet etc make modern elections expensive.That is my main point,that the antecedants of the issue alluded to in this article lie in Labour's attempts to "starve" the SNP of funding.However,Labour have to adhere to the rules that they introduced.It seems somewhat odd that having admitted that they have brocken their own rules ,that labour are protesting about smear campaigns.





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Number 6,

Germany 16/06/2008 09:17:58
#71, As scary as it seems, the Daily Record has become much more objective in recent months , and looks like a haven for balanced journalism compared to what we find here.
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Marian,

16/06/2008 09:19:39
Another day and yet another regurgitated press release from the New Labour press office makes its way into our newspapers and TV news without receiving any critical appraisal by journalists.
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Alastair the First,

16/06/2008 09:20:25
"Instead, Ms Alexander is likely to be the subject of mild censure by the committee, bringing to an end more than six months of controversy over her leadership campaign and the donations she received."

"The commission decided to rebuke Ms Alexander for not checking properly on the legality of the donation but in effect cleared her of any wrong-doing."

Somehow I don't think this is going to bring anything to an end for serial lawbreaker Alexander.

As for her being "cleared of any wrongdoing" - what a ridiculous interpretation to put on it! Not sent to jail, ok, but cleared? I don't think so...

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Miss H,

16/06/2008 09:28:43
I very much doubt if the SNP has leaked this. It is not in their interests to get rid of Wendy Alexander as leader - a lame duck Labour leader serves the SNP's political interests pretty well.

The fact is most of the leaking in this case has come from the Labour camp, people who want to get rid of her.

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Alan Reid,

NZ 16/06/2008 09:33:29
Mare Sh!te fae yon Unionists scum, och it's time richit enough.
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john z,

edinburgh 16/06/2008 09:46:10
This article is pro labour nonsense.

Wendy broke the law.

Someone leaked the report (well done, I say)

Labour accuses the SNP.

The Scotsman prints Labour accusations as fact.

Biased rubbish. Wendy is a clown, and everyone in Scotland (except the Scotsman) knows it. As a law breaker who received no punishment, she deserves what she gets. It used to be wendy, but rather it is crooked, bendy wendy.

Maybe the person who leaked this realised that if nobody else would hold her accountable, maybe it needed leaked.
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john z,

edinburgh 16/06/2008 09:49:13
The report was most likely leaked by other labour MSPs. Maybe a certain loud lady who sits behind her in Holyrood?? Either way, FMQ's will be fun this week.
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Calum10,

16/06/2008 10:01:39
All the sources for this story can be traced back to Wendy Alexander.

It must be the first time in political history that a politician, and a I use the term lightly here in describing Ms Alexander, to have deliberately leaked against them self.

Once more The Fastest Lip in the West has shot herself in the foot. I can imagine that Simon Pia, Wendy's latest press agent, must beside himself in anger at her latest gaffe.
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Jimmy the Pie,

16/06/2008 10:02:02
#82 john z, edinburgh

Aye you're probably right.

The rest of the Sleaze Party must be wondering what they've done to deserve Red Wendy.

This goes to the heart of the problem New Labour Sleaze have. Did Red Wendy get where she is by ability (very unlikely!) or was it the fact her idiot brother is so far up Comrade Broon's stern he has almost disappeared!

If you look closely at all the New Labour Sleaze MP's, MSP's and MEP's there are hardly any of them there by merit. It's all nepotism and cronyism and has been for many years. They no longer have politicians with any morals, dignity or ability. That is why the Scottish electorate are turning their backs on them.
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Alan B,

16/06/2008 10:02:09
The Sunday ran an interesting piece on this yesterday. It revealed that labour have been breaking electrol funding rules for a long while. Even Jack McConnells constituency party was guilt of breaking the rules.

However the electrol commission have never turned any of this over for a criminal prosecution. They apparently have been giving law breakers 5 yrs to be getting used to the laws. The whole thing stinks.

Labour brings in laws, continually breaks them and then no one is prosecuted. The only way to clean up politics is to have politicians jailed for fraud. It is simply not good enough to say u do not know the rules or u made a mistake. Particularly when in so many cases it looks deliberate.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 16/06/2008 10:27:38
Hamish MacDonell or 'Shameless Seamus' has no cred at all. Everyone knows he's a propandist. I'm busy looking for a job - how easy it would be if I could just sell out my principles.

When did Dyer join the SNP? Shameless?
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 16/06/2008 10:45:43
I hear the share value of the Scotsman is down. Looks like it may well go under and will certainly be sold. Johnstone Press bought it in 2005 and the paper has plummeted in sales. Looks like the Barclay Brothers did a good job getting out while the going was good. This is what happens when you marginise your own readers.

And where will wee Shameless MacDonell go then? Or has the party promised him something to fall back on?
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Sedov,

Scotland 16/06/2008 11:01:26
I have no time for Wendy, but the smear allegations by the SNP do not surprise me in the least. They will stoop to such tactics as in their desperation to make Scotlad "independent" - You have been warned.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/06/2008 11:02:03
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Interesting reading here Alex

http://souralba.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/ex-scotsman-editor-on-demise-of-scottish-papers

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Winters,

Glasgow 16/06/2008 11:36:37
The Spook in Leith 7* I have only seen photographs of Wendy Alexander and I don't know why you call her a "wide-mouth frog", maybe you think I'm easily pleased. I do wonder if you are reluctant to look in the mirror in case you hurt your own feelings.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/06/2008 11:37:01
99. Are you a mentalist?
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brownlie,

16/06/2008 11:50:21
103 Ayrshire

Too many letters in your question!
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Alan B,

16/06/2008 12:00:13
Why is "Dr Dyer's report" not make public anyway? Why do we have this whole circus of confidentiality?

Wendy has been found guilty now it is up to the msps to apply sentence.

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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 12:05:27
I feel like robbing a bank.

If Wendy can get away with money that should not of been hers then I should have no problem robbing a bank.
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WL,

livingston 16/06/2008 12:08:18
It is of course possible that Wendy Alexander leaked the report to the press.
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Alan B,

16/06/2008 12:11:29
#99 Sedov

"smear allegations by the SNP "

How is it smear allegations by the snp? How is it even smear allegations?

The article states "Jim Dyer, the Standards Commissioner, has prepared a report into the donations Ms Alexander received for her leadership campaign last year."

"It is understood that Dr Dyer concluded that Ms Alexander broke parliamentary rules by not declaring the £16,000 for her campaign as "gifts" in the register of members' interests."

As such it is hardly smear allegations but the investigating body finding her guilty of breaking the rules.

The simple meaning of "a smear allegation" is that an allegation. This is different as she has been found guilty by the Standards Commissioner.

It was also not "a smear allegation" earlier in relation to the dodgy donation as it was a matter of truth that she broke the law.

Part of the problem here is the admission of the electrol commission. They have said that labour have repeated broken the law over the last number of yrs but they have decided not to prosecute in every case. Jack McConnell was implicated by undeclared donations from his consituency labour party.

Serious question must be asked about why the electrol commission have not been forwarding law breaking for criminal prosecution.

As the end of the day we all know corruption goes to the heart of the labour party. Unfortunately there are too many labour supporters that will put party interest before moral integrity. Unfortunately u to seem devoid of that moral integrity.


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HughB,

Edinburgh 16/06/2008 12:11:38
As usual, this is a story about alleged corrution in the labour party leadership in Scotland, but they still manage to get "SNP" as the first word in the headline.

This is a total smear campaign against the SNP.

Was this document not left on a train somewhere? Seems to be happening a lot these days.
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Alan B,

16/06/2008 12:13:36
#ThomasP

According to the electoral commission u have 5yrs being allowed to rob banks. After that u should expect to know that robbing banks is wrong and then might be liable to criminal prosecution.
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McMadman,

Saor Alba 16/06/2008 12:17:53
Traquir

Your "oil" postings have been censored again. Could you repost for those who missed; this is ridiculous censorship, they were not in any way offensive.
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ThomasP,

16/06/2008 12:20:20
Alan B.

I find this hard to accept.

It took five years for our countries 'best' minds to realise that after a certain amount they would have to register who donated the money and why etc etc

And we, the Scottish people are suppose to trust these Parties with our own annual budget?
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16/06/2008 12:23:31
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kimba,

16/06/2008 12:30:18
114.Send me your address, so I can post you a copy of my cache level 3 teaching assistant certificate,or apologise NOW!
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Angus Ogg,

16/06/2008 12:32:11
#102 Winters,

I think Spookster is referring to an old joke about the Wide Mouthed Frog......

The Wide Mouthed Frog lived in the reeds by a pond in a meadow. It was a very ordinary pond in a very ordinary meadow, but that frog thought his pond was a little piece of Heaven on Earth. And when you think about it that frog had everything he needed right there in that pond -- he had water to splash in, he had friends to visit with, and... most important...

... all around that pond there were thousands and thousands of tiny, delicious, crunchy, black flies for that frog to eat. And that frog loved eating flies! It was his favorite thing in the whole world!

So every day he would be sitting by the pond waiting for some flies to come by so he could eat them. And one day when he was sitting there a bird came along and landed on a branch of a tree nearby. There was a tree growing right close to the pond. Here's the branch and here's the bird.

The bird looked down and saw the frog there by the edge of pond. The bird said, "Excuse me... Excuse me.... You... there by the pond. What kind of critter are you?"

The frog looked up at the bird, and he said, "I'm a Wiiiiiiiide-Mouthed Frog! And I eats flies!"

"Well!" said the bird. "Did you say you were a Wide-Mouthed Frog? I never heard of a Wide-Mouthed Frog before! I gotta tell you, you are one amazing critter!"

A few minutes later, the bird flew away, leaving the frog sitting at the edge of the pond saying to himself, "I am an amazing critter. I'm a Wiiiiiiide-Mouthed Frog! And I bet there are lots of other critters who've never heard of a critter like me, and I had better go and tell them."

So off he went to tell the whole world about Wide-Mouthed Frogs. He went hopping along and it wasn't very long before he met a critter who looked sort of like this...

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McMadman,

Saor Alba 16/06/2008 12:33:55
I'm still waiting for you to tell us what your Bsc was in and what grade.

From the content of your posts I am terrified for the future of this country if you really are teaching our kids.

25m swinning certificates don't count, by the way.
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Angus Ogg,

16/06/2008 12:36:58
"What kind of critter are you? And what do you eat?"

"I'm a cow. And us cows like to eat grass. Hay is okay, but grass is the best."

"Well! I'm a Wiiiiiide-Mouthed Frog. And I eats flies!"

And off the frog hopped again. Very soon, he met another critter who looked like a pig...

"What kind of critter are you? And what do you eat?"

"I'm a pig. Us pigs like to eat corn. Yep! You can give us corn on the cob, canned corn, creamed corn, pop corn, any kind of corn. We love it!"

"Well! I'm a Wiiiiiide-Mouthed Frog. And I eats flies!"

Eventually, the frog was hopping along and he saw some tall buildings off in the distance. He'd heard of these places where there were all kinds of critters crowded together, and he decided this would be a good place to go and tell about Wide-Mouthed Frogs.

Well. he did meet a lot of critters in that city, including one who lived in the front yard of a big white house, a critter who looked sort of like a dog...

"What kind of critter are you? And what do you eat?"

"I'm a dog, a hound dog to be exact. And us hound dogs, we like gnawing on bones. You give me a bone to gnaw on and you got yourself one happy hound. Yes, sir..."

"Well!I'm a Wiiiiiide-Mouthed Frog. And I eats flies!"

The frog went hopping out of the city, and on the far side of the city, met a critter who looked sort of like a cat...

"What kind of critter are you? And what do you eat?"

"I'm a cat, and us cats just adore nibbling on them delicious little mice."

"Well! I'm a Wiiiiiide-Mouthed Frog. And I eats flies!"

On and on, that frog hopped meeting lots of critters and telling lots of critters about Wide-Mouthed Frogs. Finally, late in the day, he came to Swamp Country. Now you know about swamps... you always got a crick running through a swamp, you got all kinds of poison plants growing, and you have to be keeping an eye out all the time for sink holes and quick sand... I, personally, would not go into a Swamp, but tha
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Brianwci,

Edinburgh 16/06/2008 12:37:10
In the olden days Labour's words, magnified by their friends in the media, were more than enough to eventually kill off the strongest of SNP waves of progress.

In modern times however, the ACTIONS of the SNP Government are clearly having far more effect on the public than the usual Unionist propaganda machine, as evidenced by poll after poll.

Those actions, plus the rising price of Oil, plus the disemmination of political truths on the internet, truths previously kept from the people of Scotland, are all propelling us gently along the road to Independence.

Without question, it really is Time.
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Angus Ogg,

16/06/2008 12:38:22
I, personally, would not go into a Swamp, but that frog did. The went into that Swamp, and he met some critters...

One of those critters looked sort of like this a alligator..

"What kind of critter are you? And what do you eat?"

"I'M AN ALLIGATOR! AND US ALLIGATORS, WE LIKE EATING.... WIDE-MOUTHED FROGS!"

The frog looked around kind of nervous-like [and with a very narrow mouth] he said, "Owww! You don't see many of those around here, do you!"
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Jock 1O7,

16/06/2008 12:38:52
114 McMadman

Definitely a tongue in cheek posting (how could it not be!)

I love the ones who put the taglines on at the end in a non-ironic way, though. It kind of says something a bit sad about them, but they get a certain pleasure from it.

Freedom for Dunning!