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Salmond calls radio phone-in to defend controversial Thatcher comments



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Published Date: 22 August 2008
SCOTLAND'S First Minister Alex Salmond today called a radio show to address criticism of remarks he made about Margaret Thatcher's economic policies.
Labour said Mr Salmond should apologise and "hang his head in shame" for saying Scots did not mind Lady Thatcher's economic policies as much as her social policies
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But the First Minister today dismissed the criticism as "total tosh" and "typical Labour humbug".

The row followed an interview in Total Politics magazine in which he said the SNP had a strong social conscience, which was a key Scottish attribute.

"One of the reasons Scotland didn't take to Lady Thatcher was because of that," he told the magazine.

"We didn't mind the economic side so much. But we didn't like the social side at all."

And referring to the most famous work of economist Adam Smith, he said: "Margaret Thatcher could have only ever read the Penguin edition of Wealth of Nations and she missed out the moral sentiments."

Mr Salmond today called in to a BBC Radio Scotland programme, Morning Extra with Graham Stewart, to defend his comments.

He said he would never follow Gordon Brown's example of inviting Margaret Thatcher round for tea.

He told listeners: "I'm well on the record as never having approved of either Margaret Thatcher's social or economic policies – that's clear if you look at the interview."

And in a statement later, he said: "I was commenting on why Scots in particular were so deeply resentful of Margaret Thatcher, and I strongly believe that her social message of 'no such thing as society' and the poll tax cut against the grain of Scotland's social conscience.

"That doesn't mean that the nation liked her economic policies – just that we liked her social policies even less.

"I have never approved of either Margaret Thatcher's economic or social policies, as is clear from the very next passage of the full interview, where I say that if Scottish economic founder Adam Smith could sue for the misuse of his thoughts by Thatcherites, they would be in real trouble."



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  • Last Updated: 22 August 2008 12:39 PM
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  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

inkster,

22/08/2008 13:08:38
"I have never approved of either Margaret Thatcher's economic or social policies¨

There you have it.
2

MacGillicuddy,

22/08/2008 13:19:19
Salmond's distaste of Thatcher's policies is quite unequivocal.

What is also beyond ANY doubt is that the Liebour Party has proven itself to be the natural heir of Thatcherism.
3

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 13:22:35
LOL

Who's have ever have believed it?

Oor supposedly invincible first meenster is forced to call a radio show to defend his remarks on his hero, Maggie Thatcher.

Wonder who was behind that face-saving exercise - has all the fingerprints of a flushed venting spleen-like Alex Neil, no?

One of the major probs with oor first meenster is that while he can (mostly) scrape through the sanitised atmosphere of FMQ by virtue of having the last word, it's a differnt matter away from parliament.

For that is when his natural tendency to get cocky emerges. He just can't help it. And when he does he makes howlers like this.

So, folks, we're expected to believe that when he said

"We didn't mind the economic side so much. But we didn't like the social side at all."

what he meant was

"That doesn't mean that the nation liked her economic policies – just that we liked her social policies even less."

Aye right.

A word to the wise for our hapless Leader....

Stop digging. The damage is done.

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inkster,

22/08/2008 13:28:36
He has said it on radio, he means it, end of story.
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Nic83,

22/08/2008 13:33:00
I hope when Salmond called the radio show he made the point that the whole story only came about because this rag was desperate for a headline. It was abundantly clear that Salmond shared Scotland's abhorrence of Thatcherism, and yesterday's headline was a cynical attempt to sell papers with dodgy headlines. Is this the state of Scottish journalism?
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JohnMcDonald,

London 22/08/2008 13:33:29
"Scottish 'N British"

Now, if you could make your comments funny at least we would be rolling in the aisles for a less sarcastic reason.



11

SC,

22/08/2008 13:35:50
Is anyone actually honest enough in this country to admit that Thatcher actually saved the UK from utter doom?

We all remember 1979, right? Is anyone really prepared to say that by 1997 we weren't in a much better position after 18 years of liberalism?

We know Salmond has to play low-politics, but the posters on the board, surely one of you can be objective?
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morris,

edinburgh 22/08/2008 13:44:32
The reason that Margaret Thatcher was governing over Scotland was because Labour told the Scots they would win,(they knew it was NOT true) FOUR TIMES no less, and our idiots still did not understand that the then 72 Scottish seats will always be at the mercy of approx 600 seats in England!London has more seats than Scotland (admittedly in keeping with her population).

Needless to say Labour lost all four elections,and elected Thatcher into Scotland,and now they would like you to be a bunch of idiots again!
Vote Labour! You know its an act of gross stupidity,they cannot possibly win or even get close!
Aye that will be right!

Vote for the Conservative party if you want a conservative government and vote SNP if you DONT!
At least Annabels supporters will get what they voted for. Labours voters will get the opposite of what they want, and have learned absolutely sod all!
Primary school arithmetic is all you need to understand this for goodness sake!

We now have 59 seats in Scotland and its even more futile to vote Labour now(although its hard to get your head around the notion that anything could be more futile than what we already did)!

I even heard one woman exclaim on a radio show "Aye but they didnae get in in Scotland"!
YES THEY DID !
She does not even understand what she did,how can that be a credible position?
Democracy is the best system we have.If we don't use it
wisely then we have no hope!

If you want the Tories out of Scotland THERES ONLY ONE WAY IT CAN HAPPEN and thats take SCOTLAND out of the Tories reach!
VOTE SNP.
If you cannot understand this which is the most basic arithmetic possible,then I would be reluctant to advertise the fact!
15

Miss H,

22/08/2008 13:45:51
3 I was pretty sure he would be listening and would not be able to resist phoning up. Probably gave the presenter a wee shock.

There seems to be a perception among some people - you may be one of them - that FMs (or PMs) have to be seen not only as invincible but as above the fray. Don't phone radio shows, don't mix too much with the public, always appear remote and all powerful.

Thus Gordon Brown was never at Glasgow East because PMs don't do that kind of thing. Along with this were some snidey remarks about Alex getting out and about 'getting his hands dirty' as I recall one journalist saying as though talking to voters is dirty work. The truth is you could not keep Alex away from a by-election for love or money because he loves it.

Lesson there for Gordon Brown perhaps.
16

inkster,

22/08/2008 13:45:52

#SC 11
She may have saved ´the UK' from ´utter doom´ but her policies condemned a generation of entrepreneurs and thousands,maybe millions of people to economic mayhem. We see the result today railways, manufacturing, post offices. power generation.

We have only got half a country left. A nation of double glazing salesmen and City gamblers.

Scotland has a chance to get out. England is doomed to the entrails of Thatcherism.

Good-bye and it cant come soon enough.

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The Master,

22/08/2008 13:46:38
Supernat's rattled then. He's made his first real gaffe since Trumpgate, but has he never heard of hoary old cliches such as "when you know you're in a hole, stop digging"?

I do hope for his own sake that he doesn't do anything else to add fuel to Labour's tried and tested warcry of "Tartan Tories".
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

leven England 22/08/2008 13:52:21
whatever your opinion of Margaret Thatcher the reason she acheived what she did was because the larger proportion of the elctorate were totally p....d off with strikes ,poor performance etc etc etc For once a politician was prepared to do what was right for the benefit of the country as awhole.Of course she and her ministers made mistakes but equally they did not court the publicity andcelebrity status craved for by Blair,Brown and company
22

Miss H,

22/08/2008 13:53:03
18 Labour tried their Tartan Tory warcry in Glasgow East.
23

SC,

22/08/2008 13:59:37
19, who saved the UK then between 1979 and 1997? The Unions? The Labour Party?

As I feared, objectively is in short supply when it comes Thatcher - she did stir up a lot of emotions.

For the record. The old heavy industries were doomed by too much unionsim & socialism leading up to 1979. Thatcher just realised that the plug had to be pulled - painful though that was.

And most people (all people in England it seems) recognise that it was a bitter pill, but necessary.

We are all, except union officials, better off for it. That is why Labour nor the SNP will never go back on the core reforms she made.


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SC,

22/08/2008 14:01:02
Whoops, double negative!

That is why Labour and the SNP will never go back on the core reforms she made.
25

morris,

edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:02:17
Angus Mannie,
Montrose 22/08/2008 13:48:22

Angus Well said!

It should be obvious to even our village idiots,that if this is the UK with an injection of 170 billion or so ,then she would have been in one h*** of a mess without it, and you dont need a degree in economics to work that one out.It is exactly as you say.
All economists recognise that the UK was bankrupt and the oil saved her bacon,but they might not wish to publicise this too loudly in case Scotland (the goose that lays the golden eggs) stops layin in Westminster and runs away to Holyrood.
26

inkster,

22/08/2008 14:02:42
#22 Raymond Thomas Brooke
I think she craved vainglorious celebrity eg when she ordered the retreating HMS Conqueror to sink the General Belgrano with the loss of 323 men.
27

morris,

edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:05:38

Miss H,
22/08/2008 13:53:03

Is that whit they were daein? Och ah thocht they wis identifyin themselves tae!So di everybody else as far as a can tell.
28

SC,

22/08/2008 14:08:35
inkster,22/08/2008 14:02:42
#22 Raymond Thomas Brooke
I think she craved vainglorious celebrity eg when she ordered the retreating HMS Conqueror to sink the General Belgrano with the loss of 323 men.

If you think that, you are deluded.

What I will concede though, the Thatcher effect is certainly helping us towards independence. However, it won't be the socialist paradise (oxymoron?) many of you dream of. Scotland will need to compete directly with other countries, and will be ill able to afford the inefficiences of socialism.

But to an extent, this is an argument for the future...
29

inkster,

22/08/2008 14:10:07
#SC How so, deluded?
30

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:11:10
Alex Salmond can't complain if he feels that his comments have been misinterpreted and it would be rather hypocritical in doing so. In the past he has been an expert at taking the comments of others and distorting their meaning. Consider this example :
At the time in the devolution referendum in 1997 Tony Blair was asked why the Scottish Parliament should have tax raising powers. He replied that this was reasonable as "even a parish council has tax raising powers" The use of the word "even" clearly demonstrates that he was drawing a contrast. However Alex Salmond mentioned many times that Tony Blair was viewing the Scottish Parliament as a "parish council" thus deliberately distorting the point that was being made. Now he appears to be complaining about similar treatment.
31

Allan(handofgod137),

22/08/2008 14:11:11
Let's be honest about this, the only Scots who abhorred Thatcherism were the lazy and workshy.
32

inkster,

22/08/2008 14:13:33
#31 Sm753 Hmm yes well he would say that wouldn he.

I think I prefer to stick to President Trumans adage - if you know it?
33

The Master,

22/08/2008 14:16:26
The story was the brainchild of Geri Peev as he trawled over an obscure Salmond interview on the offchance that he'd leave himself open, but it's really taken on legs now.

I'd have advised Alex to starve it of oxygen, but there again it's all very well to be wise after the event…
34

morris,

edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:17:36
27

That was quite disgraceful.The Belgrano was a second world war piece of floating junk,and was also retreating as fast as possible,if I recall,so that no one(hopefully) would open fire on her.I also heard a claim that the ship may have been outside the exclusion zone,anyway.The attack was completely unnecessary,and she used it to save her disgusting political neck.

Thatchers entire policy was based upon monetarism and the North Sea paid for it,and what a total waste of resources we witnessed.Look at what Norway did,then look at our apology for government.
35

inkster,

22/08/2008 14:19:46
#34 allan Workshy? - Try 14% interest rates for 2 years... Thats not workshy - thats usury/slavery while she sips whisky in North Street...
36

inkster,

22/08/2008 14:22:48
#37 morris
Correct.It helped Thatcher's government to victory in the 1983 general election, which prior to the war was seen as by no means certain
37

Ananurhing,

22/08/2008 14:30:28
#36 The Master

Hullo Auntie! I think he just did starve it of oxygen today on the wireless. Trouble is it was born of the sulpherous spin from the Hootsman.
38

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:35:01
16 inkster
You should check facts and details before you make assertions. The usual cry that she destroyed manufacturing does not stand up to analysis. Look at the car industry. In the seventies it was a total shambles. British Leyland was churning out rubbish that nobody wanted to buy and all car factories were so beset by strikes etc. that the cahirman of Ford said that she he "would not invest another penny in the UK" Once she stabilised the economy and introduced trade union legislation Nissan, Toyota and Honda all started UK manufacturing operations while she was Prime Minister.
39

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:37:56
38 inkster
High interest rate were necessary to cope with inflation which was rampant in the seventies - hitting 25% at times.
40

notanactivist,

22/08/2008 14:54:17
#27 & #37 She was following the advice of the Royal Navy who believed that the Belgrano was part of a pincer movement against the British fleet - politics had nothing to do with it, she was acting on military advice.

What is the obsession people have with it anyway, if it had suddenly turned around and then been sunk would you care? What do you think of the Argentinian attacks that sunk HMS Sheffield and HMS Coventry?
41

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:57:16
26 Morris
If you are so keen to comment on the views of economists check the CPPR website from Glasgow University. It shows clearly that, for the last 5 years,there has been financiual deficit in Scotland's budget every year even with a "geographical" allocation of North Sea oil and gas revenues for every year. This has varied from £1.49 billion to £5.36 billion. How can this a goose laying a golden egg?
42

brownlie,

22/08/2008 15:01:00
3 Scottish n British

The First Minister was forced to go on air to defend himself against the spin put on a small part of his interview by Gerri Peev and typically seized on by Labour.

Yesterday you posted the question "wonder what the die-hards think of this latest deviation of policy" when it was clear from the article that Salmond abhorred the Thatcherite policy.

I also should imagine that the die-hards are well aware of SNP Policy.

You, also, said "Yet another rug pulled from under the feet of activists".

I think Salmond gave the rug a very effective pull today from under your feet today and no amount of bluster on your part can put your feet back on the ground.
43

SC,

22/08/2008 15:05:14
44, Ugly, what are you saying? We're running a fiscal deficit, so we must stay with a Union that ruins our economy?

You couldn't make it up.
44

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:11:52
48 SC
I am not making anything up. I am merely quoting research from a group in response to a previous post.

Why have you reacted in such an aggressive manner to it.
45

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 22/08/2008 15:15:51
Surprise surprise , the Scotsman has misrepresented Alex Salmonds comments. what a surprise there economical with the truth they were...
I believe you Alex, The Scotsman sorry Laourman have got it in for ye. You need to watch your every word and what follows lest you are attacked on a partial statement...
46

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:15:54
7, et al

hee hee

flip, flop, flip, flop...ssspin.....sspppiinnn...ssspiiiinnnnn.......

Pay attention, folks, on the British economy, this is the story so far, according to Slavvering Salmond and his Separatist sycophants.

LAST WEEK, Maggie was the devil incarnate -

TODAY, the Separatist illiterati (including The Leader), tell us she ACTUALLY saved the country from, ahem, Labour!!Labour !!

So, which is it , chaps? You can either

Have a 50/50
As the audience (back at Separatist HQ), or
Phone a friend (aka The Leader)?

Eeny, meeny, miny, mo.......tum, tee, tiddly, tum...

Can't wait for tomorrow's news.


...guffaw...






47

inkster,

22/08/2008 15:17:15

It all goes to reinforce the axiom that you can really believe what you read in the newspapers. Memory can play tricks.

But when a man comes and says plainly on national radio

"I have never approved of either Margaret Thatcher's economic or social policies¨

That is first hand fact - not hearsay or spin.

48

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:18:18
Funny how the sinking of the Belgrano turns up just as the heat is turned up on The (hapless) Leader...

The title says

"Salmond calls radio phone-in to defend controversial Thatcher comments"

49

inkster,

22/08/2008 15:20:20
#42 Ugly George

High interest rates were forced on Nigel Lawson because of his reckless determination to shadow the German Mark
50

Sanny,

Glasgow or Algarve 22/08/2008 15:25:17
18 The Master.
Yet another Unionist with comprehension problems. Try reading the whole of the interview then take time to comprehend what was actually said. I know this can be difficult for Unionists, who are trained (brainwashed) to only pick out words that can be strung together to make pro-Labour or anti-SNP statements. Pavlovian dogs the lot of them.

Another little exercise in reading and comprehension might be to take the Labour, Tory and SNP manifestos; read, compare then list according to their tendency to the political left or right. Then identify and list their actions when actually in office and again place them in order of left or right tendency. I think you will find the current Labour party in both Westminster and Holyrood will be well to the right of the Tory party (even Thatcher’s lot), whereas, the SNP will be well to the left of both of the other parties. If the expression Tartan Tories is used seriously then I can only suggest you have a brain stem test to see if ther is anybody at home!
51

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:26:04
Host: Hullo there, you are on the BBC Scotland frae Coocaddens in the Dear Green Place - whats your beef, BTW, old chap?

Leader: Well, ye see, this story aboot me an' Thatcher, it's jist no true - honestly!

Yous lot dinna unnerstand, ye sees, ah hadnae goat much sleep the night afore, and , well, whit wi the abscess on ma molar, an the snorin', well, ah jist wisnae thinkkin' straight, ah mean, what ah mean tae say wiz... ah mean tae say, do ah no git credit fir at least bringing Scoatlan's Bravehert government tae the peepil thru yir show, like....

Host: zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Listenng audience : hee hee

52

inkster,

22/08/2008 15:27:39
#53 S&B

"Salmond calls radio phone-in to defend controversial Thatcher comments"

It would have been accurate to say ...DENY controversial etc

That is the sub editors ´art´ - a good example being:

GOTCHA! - The UK Sun on the sinking of the Belgrano during the Falklands War (1981)
53

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:27:58
56

lol

either

1. great timing or
2. i anticipated your spin...

You decide.
54

Senga Jean,

22/08/2008 15:28:30
#51 I not "so much" disagree with your lies as your expecting them to be believed. Alex Salmond is the best leader Scotland has had not so much in this century but a few before too. The Labour Party are not so much a party of the people as a party out for its own good. (This word play is endless...Have you now or have you ever been a lover of Maggie Thatcher? Pullleeeze)
55

Alan R,

edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:30:08
If you want the measure of the real Salmond cast your mind back to his ‘statesmanlike’ reaction when he was informed that the Thatch was standing down in November 1990, it was definitely captured on TV. Will be interesting to see how he behaves when her demise is announced!
56

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:35:36
55 Sanny
See post 33.
According to your analysis Alex Salmond must also have "comprehension problems" or be "brainwashed"
57

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:37:14
60

The activists return - "on message" this time, one hopes.

BTW, it's not long til Maggie's birthday - 13th October, if I'm not mistaken.

Is the Slavver is hauding a wee perty fir he's new pal? Whit's the latest news, guys an' gals.

Seriously, just cannot believe this news - it's an own goal of absolute stoater proportinos....

Thank You

58

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:41:17
61

Well, if you had asked me last week, I'd have said "cheers".

Now? I'd guess tears, obviously.

Anyway, who's to say he won't go before her?
(He will if Alex Neil has a say in it!!)

59

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:41:41
I would have thought the obvious thing to point out to the pious Labour morons is that Labour leadership contender Iain Gray actually proposed working with the tories in the future! And thats a fact that hasn't been spun.
They're as hypocritical as they are just plain wrong.
60

Sanny,

Upwey 22/08/2008 15:44:05
34 Allan(handofgod137)

Rather a bold statement! I for one detested the lady and consider she instigated a great deal of harm to the Scottish economy. Indeed it would be reasonable to say that she was to a large extent anti-Scottish.

By your reasoning that makes me workshy and lazy.

In truth I have never had a day’s unemployment in my life. I took both my degrees on a part-time basis whilst I worked at a full time job. I've have never asked for or received a penny from the state. I am now retired and live on my private pension and on income from my investments.

Is this your definition of workshy and lazy? Perhaps the rest of your opinions are of a similar nature.

I suggest you engage your brain before allowing your fingers to wander at random across the keyboard.

61

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:47:58
Can I ask Alex Salmond or other nationalists the following question :
Apart from the poll tax which the Tories removed anyway, which of Margaret Thatcher's policies would they or have they reversed? There might be one or two but I can't think of many that they have advocated. Would they, for example, repeal her trade union legislation?
62

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:48:57
66

No, this story is BIG because Salmond has spent every waking minute of every single day of ever single week of every single year since she came to power (1979) calling her for everything!!

What next?
"Gary Glitter takes SNP membership over 15,000 mark"?

Separatists all over the land must be wondering WTF is going on. I know I would had I the misfortune of being in their shoes.

Perhaps The Leader has lost his marbles?
Forget jeeves, let's Ask Alex.

63

Sanny,

Glasgow or Algarve 22/08/2008 15:50:35
62 Ugly George,Edinburgh

And the relevance is?
64

Scottish 'N British,

22/08/2008 15:51:44
68

How many SNP cooncillors took advantage of right-to-buy and privatisation?

How many 'advised' people not to pay Poll Tax, but did so themselves?

Now, there's some questions!!

65

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

22/08/2008 16:03:10
If Salmond is so keen on correcting misunderstandings, he should know that when Thatcher said "There is no such thing as society" she said it in context of someone having said "society will pay for this project...".

What she means was that society doesn't have any money, only taxpayers do.
66

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 16:04:33
70 Sanny
The relevance to your previous post is evident unless you have "comprehension problems".
67

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 22/08/2008 16:05:05
HAHAHA listen to Liebour stooges desprately trying to make political capital out of this, but floundering as ever.
68

"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:05:44
The Belgrano was sailing away.
69

Ffion,

here and there 22/08/2008 16:06:12
well i don't know about Total Politics, this is total something. This was not the only unfortunate comment-there was one about binge drinking then going for a 'snifter' with G.Brown-is this part of the problem or the solution and I'm not sure G.Brown drinks anyway maybe the First Min had had a few snifters b4 these bizarre comments.
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Senga Jean,

22/08/2008 16:08:22
#69 You have clearly not read the full interview. Your froth runneth over but no truth appears. Scotland is a land where society matters more than the material but you do not understand the difference so much as wishing to do down the SNP on the reporting by a biased press. THEY SHOULD PRINT THE WHOLE INTERVIEW AND NOT PARAPHRASE IT WITH PREJUDICED INTERPRETATIONS
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:12:16
68
Ugly George,

"Can I ask Alex Salmond or other nationalists the following question :
Apart from the poll tax which the Tories removed anyway, which of Margaret Thatcher's policies would they or have they reversed?"

I'd go for the funding and training of the Khmer Rouge.
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John S,

22/08/2008 16:13:59
Gordon Brown said Margaret Thatcher,knew something about how to run an economy.Telgraph 26 Apr 2005
Brown heaps praise on Thatcher: FT-Sept 4 2007
Brown: a true son of Thatcher.Guardian Sept 05 2007
Tebbit praises Brown as 'Thatcher's natural successor. M&G Sept 13, 2007
Gordon Brown 'admires' Margaret Thatcher. Telegraph Sep 2007
Thatcher thrilled by Brown praise. Sept 9, 2007 Times
Gordon Brown outed himself as a Thatcherite.Skynews February 27, 2008
Brown made Thatcher a polital icon.Telegraph Feb 26, 2008
73

"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:14:20
I'd also add her dealings with Pinochet to the list.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:21:11
She should also have joined the EMS in '85. That would have saved us from Lawson's errors.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 22/08/2008 16:21:27
Going on a talk show and doing an end run around the Scotsman's deliberate and cynical distortation of the FM's rather benign observation of Thatcher was a brilliant move. Right up there with taking the cabinet on the road.
Lex should do a Q and A with the folks at home on a regular basis.
He's good on his feet and has a sharp sense of humour.
Cut out the middleman since it's clear he's never going to get an even break from this newspaper's editors.
Until, of course, the Scot's people shove independence down their throats.
Salmond Unplugged. Bring it On.
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pehman,

sussex 22/08/2008 16:28:22

Angus Mannie @ 13,

What about Willie MacRae the SNP political that was assasinated, just another bit of her handy work. Oh right the enquiry proved that it was suicide, funny that when he was being tailed by special branch and managed to shoot himself without a gun?
Many other reasons that you wont hear about in the Brit propaganda machine

Not quite correct, he managed to shoot himself in the head TWICE and then through the gun away ?




If you believe the "offical" report.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:28:48
81

1 Woodward was unhappy about not having operational control of the submarines.

2 He sent an order telling Conqueror (sub) to attack the Belgrano group.

3 The Conqueror was unauthorised to attack Argentinian forces – other than their carrier – outside the 200-mile total exclusion zone.

4 Northwood told Conqueror not to attack while Fieldhouse and the Chief of Defence Staff, Admiral of the Fleet Sir Terence Lewin, went to Chequers to get TF 324's rules of engagement changed!

5 Until that time, the British, operating under strict rules of self-defence, had considered that a general authorisation for their submarines to attack Argentinian warships was not in accordance with international law.

6 The two admirals told Prime Minister Thatcher that Woodward, the carrier task group commander, was desperate. Did she want to overrule the man on the spot?

7 Thatcher felt that she had no alternative: she authorised the change in TF 324's rules of engagement.

20-20 hindsight; the only exact science.
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pehman,

sussex 22/08/2008 16:29:24

That should read throw the gun away
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:29:35
85 from various sources, but precis from Ch4 History.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:30:10
Later.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:39:56
89

It's just that I detest the gorgon. She used to eat babies you know.

;-)
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"Hoots" Fandango,

22/08/2008 16:40:16
ps

True - it was in Wiki.
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pehman,

sussex 22/08/2008 16:40:31
Sm 753, @ 85 Hoots Fandango,

As an ex marine I can "HONESTLY" say that it was the only order of thatchers that was correct.


Ignoring the rights or wrongs of the "conflict" WE were AT WAR with the Argintine, and the large guns of the Belgrano were a very significant factor, together with the positioning of the rest of the Argintine fleet.

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Green eyed monster,

22/08/2008 16:57:17
#27 & #37

You fools should do some research before spouting off about such matters. The Belgrano sinking was a purely military decision. The ship was rapidly heading for shallow water in a combined pincer movement with other argentine vessels to the north. No UK Sub would be able to follow in the shallows so a decision had to be quickly made. That Argentine pincer was heading for the Aircraft carriers - if we had lost one of those, we would have lost the war. A war which they started. Even the Argentine government accepts it as a legitimate act of war.

Youtube is full of such nonsense from ignorant Nationalists. They make their anti-English, vitriolic videos, completely devoid of any comprehension of the facts, reason or logic. We Unionists need to get our act together and expose these petty minded fools for what they really are.
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weh,

22/08/2008 16:59:46
http://www.totalpoli
tics.com/magazine_de
tail.php?id=77

This is Alex Salmonds interview in full!

(Once again from an english observer-cant imagine ANY "Scots rag" doing this!)

No? Thought not.
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inkster,

22/08/2008 17:03:00
#93

The first casualty of war is the truth - you´ve just proved it
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Nikostratos,

22/08/2008 17:04:38
"He said he would never follow Gordon Brown's example of inviting Margaret Thatcher round for tea"

To me the mark of a 'Man' let alone a statesman or woman is the ability to talk face to face with your enemy and not show any hostility.

As a first Minster he needs to be able to stay above any petty personal emotion and do what what is in people best interests. (RESIGN PERHAPS)

Rather than peeking through the curtains at Bute house and whispering to his missus....she gone yet i'm not going to talk to her she is so horrible.

Alex your about as inspirational as wobbly jelly
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 22/08/2008 17:05:38
I am a bit surprised, nay, disapointed in the other Nats who have been countering this garbage since yesterday, in so far as none of them has seen fit to thank all those of the unionist persuasion on whom the truth has still not dawned, that the majority of the Scottish public are no longer prepared to accept what they claim as the truth and so they continue in the same old fashion.

One look at the article in question is enough to disprove their claims, and yet they still do not grasp that it might just have occured to Alex Salmond when making the remark what their reaction might be.

As for him being forced to phone the BBC, that is just as absurd, every move he makes is deliberatly calculated to wrong foot the opposition.

Once again he has given them the chance to show themselves and their cause up and they have taken it.

We should after all be very greatful, with evey utterance they make the SNP link with voters just grows stronger.

With any luck this entire story will continue on Scottish newsnight tonight, if we are really lucky they will have someone like Lord Foulkes on for the unionist side.

Yes, we Nats have had a lot to be greatful for to the unionists posters and Gerri Peeve over the last day or so and it's time we said thanks.

So thank you.

Keep up the good work folks.




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Nikostratos,

22/08/2008 17:08:47

21 August 2008 Blogging hiatus

Posted by Scottish Unionist at 5:07 PM.

I’ll be on the road for a few days so won’t be posting. Some superb debates are now emerging on the blog, and it’s particularly pleasing that rancour is notable only by its absence. However, turning comment moderation off until I get back still isn’t a viable option. Sorry about that.

Oh AM2 you are missing this one........
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Nikostratos,

22/08/2008 17:10:45
#98

http://www.scottishunionist.com/

#97 ochone,

you are talking boll@cks pal just boll@cks
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Alan B,

22/08/2008 17:12:32
#68 Ugly George

-Mirus.

-Also monetary policy from 87 onwards. (was too young to judge early 80s monetary policy, but it was judged to be over kill)

- ERM membership

- anti ec positioning

-Opposition to sp.

- failure to allow the massive oil wealth in scotland rejuvinate scottish economy- 80s was a period of the north subsidising the south (becuase of oil) at a time the north was struggling.

-attempts to chop 1/7 of the scottish budget


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22/08/2008 17:12:48
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Senga Jean,

22/08/2008 17:13:24
Simple really....READ THE FULL ARTICLE.....I suspect Alex Salmond is making sure that people do read the article in full. He IS so darned clever.. Labour are left speaking nonsense
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Alan B,

22/08/2008 17:17:15
#101 107-in-a-row

I think there a 2 things.

Was the policies correct? Was the implementation of the policies good.

Having the right idea does not necessarily make for good implementation.

Her government also got alot of things wrong (some are subjective), even if the over all ideology was wrong.
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Alan B,

22/08/2008 17:18:25
sorry "Were the policies correct"
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Nikostratos,

22/08/2008 17:18:54
#102

i have.........SO



Oh i know you gotta see with Nationalist eyes then all the words jumble themselves up inside your head into whatever you wish to see and not whats on the page...right got it
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Alan B,

22/08/2008 17:20:11
should have said

Her government also got alot of things wrong (some are subjective), even if the over all ideology was ok."
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Nikostratos,

22/08/2008 17:25:18
#108 sm753,

no you are not AM2 he is on his hols for def. But you know who with their conspiracy theories will deny it

anyway you look more like Antonius.
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pehman,

sussex 22/08/2008 17:30:25

93 Green eyed monster,

Before you go spouting off about others.

Take a look at the causlality figures for Scots troops in the Falklands "conflict"

Then look at the regiments that were in spearpoint at that time, you'll find that the Black Watch and the Gordon Highlanders were in place. And that was found to be "politically" not acceptible.

Never the less the Scots Contingent of the Marines and the cherry berries was greater than the level of population would lead one to believe. not 9% but 16% then add in the contingent of the Scots Guards + those of the RA and the RN as well as the RAF and the merchant Fleet.

So While you can attack 27 @ 37 for their inaccuracies,as I have,
You have NO right to attack them as "ignorent nationalist"

A great many Nationalists have served their time in the brittish army and have done their bit for queen and country, some more than others.

We ex forces people now chose a different path to follow, it does not mean we regret our past or forget our friends of any nationality, English, Welsh, Irish (north or south)Scottish and in my case South African and Norwegien.

My comrades were my comrades and you have NO right to critise where we now stand