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Published Date: 29 May 2009
ALEX Salmond and his government came under fire last night for failing to inform parliament that a murderer had absconded from an open prison.
At First Minister's Questions, Mr Salmond spent 20 minutes defending the open prison estate, his government's record on absconders and the actions of his embattled justice secretary, Kenny MacAskill, after the escape of Brian Martin from Castle Huntly jail in Perthshire.

But it later emerged that Mr Salmond knew another prisoner – John Burt Brown – had absconded from Castle Huntly on Wednesday but failed to tell MSPs. The Scottish Government later admitted it was told about Brown on Wednesday evening – 18 hours before the debate in parliament.

Labour demanded an immediate apology from Mr Salmond and accused him of undermining the office of First Minister. The Tories demanded an emergency statement and said he had jeopardised the integrity of his administration.

During repeated questions about the number of absconders from Castle Huntly, Mr Salmond accused the opposition parties of having worse records on the issue than his SNP administration, while failing to mention the ongoing situation.

Mr MacAskill has been under severe pressure on the issue of runaway prisoners.

He tightened the open prison system after the case of Robert Foye, who absconded from Castle Huntly and went on to rape a 16-year-old schoolgirl while on the run.

Earlier this month, Martin, who was serving ten years for armed robbery and had a history of absconding, walked away from the prison, despite Mr MacAskill's tough new regime.

The justice secretary faced calls last week for him to resign over the issue and last night, the Tories claimed Mr Salmond's decision to withhold information about Brown's absconding had made Mr MacAskill's position even more precarious. Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie said: "It is absolutely staggering that when this issue was headline business in the Scottish Parliament today, the Scottish Government failed to disclose what it knew yesterday, that another serious criminal had absconded from Castle Huntly.

"This issue goes far beyond a battered justice minister on the way out.

"This secrecy raises a huge question mark over the integrity of government. How can the public have confidence in a justice system run by a government which won't even tell parliament what is happening?

"The First Minister needs to issue a statement as a matter of urgency as to how this shambles came about and, in particular, as to whether parliament was misled when he referred today specifically to the number of escapes from open prisons."

Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said: "It is incredible to think that Alex Salmond thought it best not to inform parliament of this development. His actions do not befit the office of First Minister."

He went on: "Mr MacAskill's failure to deal with this debacle means he must go, but the First Minister is also hugely damaged by this affair.

"Alex Salmond found time in the chamber today to talk about apprenticeships but failed to mention this abscond by a murderer.

"It's completely unacceptable and he should apologise immediately."

A spokesman for the First Minister insisted Mr Salmond had been absolutely right not to mention Brown in the Scottish Parliament because it was up to police when information on absconders was released, and Tayside Police had not yet publicised the information.

He admitted Mr Salmond had known about Brown's disappearance on Wednesday night, but added: "It would be utterly extraordinary to suggest that any minister should interfere with an operational matter for Tayside Police."

The First Minister was in a belligerent mood when he was questioned by Mr Gray and Miss Goldie on the issue of the open prison estate yesterday.

"Mistakes do happen – that is obvious," he said. But he added: "It is also clear that the system is currently functioning five times better than it was under the Labour-Liberal alliance."

When Ms Goldie told him the "buck stops at Bute House", he replied by saying the number of prisoners who absconded had been eight times higher under the last Tory administration than it was last year.

But responding to five questions from Mr Gray and two from Miss Goldie on the issue, not once did the First Minister mention the latest absconder, which he had been told about the night before.

Tayside Police released an appeal for information on Brown yesterday afternoon, three hours after First Minister's Questions.

He was described as 57 years old, 5ft 5in in height, with short brown hair and green eyes. He failed to return to Castle Huntly on Wednesday after a period of leave and is known to have family and friends in the Glasgow area.

Brown was convicted at the High Court in Glasgow and sentenced to life imprisonment on 12 February, 1976, for murder. He had been released on licence for that offence but sent back to prison for traffic offences which broke the terms of his licence.

On 12 February this year, he was transferred to Castle Huntly from Shotts Prison.

A police spokesman said anyone who knew his whereabouts should contact the Tayside force on 0300 111 2222.

Salmond caught playing politics on serious issue

ANY decent political crisis depends on timing and momentum, and Kenny MacAskill has been on the wrong end of both.

Just when he thought he had tightened the open prison estate, another prisoner went on the run. This prisoner probably should not have been in an open jail, but that didn't help Mr MacAskill, who made a statement to parliament. He had hardly sat down at the end of this statement on Brian "the Hawk" Martin when another prisoner, a murderer, went on the run from the same prison.

The timing could not have been worse, and this latest escape handed the opposition continued momentum with which to pursue the embattled justice secretary.

However, until First Minister's Questions, that was all it was – pressure (intense maybe) on Mr MacAskill.

When Alex Salmond decided to go on the attack on this issue yesterday afternoon, berating his political opponents for their record on absconding prisoners, while failing to mention the latest incident, it went to an entirely new level.

Yes, there were operational reasons why Mr Salmond should not have told parliament, but he could easily have discussed the issue with the police and made sure it was in the open before he stood up.

He did no such thing. As a result, he has given the impression he has been playing politics with this serious issue.

Mr Salmond has developed a reputation for playing fast and loose with information in these weekly jousts. Yesterday, for example, he said one absconder had been "recaptured", praising the police, when actually the absconder had given himself up. A small point perhaps, but it all adds to the impression that Mr Salmond twists information when it suits him to do so.

So when it emerged that he had known about the latest incident but failed to mention it, it really appeared as if Mr Salmond had done so deliberately – not for reasons of police operational probity.

He is a strong and combative First Minister. One major weakness, however, is his overtly bullying approach to opponents. That caught up with him yesterday and, as a result, some of the authority that he carries with him as First Minister, has been rubbed off.


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1

The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

28/05/2009 22:31:23
Oh Dear.

Salmond misleading Parliament again.

It is astonishing how he gets away with it.

How can anyone believe a word he says?
2

The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

28/05/2009 22:34:40
If prison is a 'skoosh' according to Mr MacAskill, Castle Huntly open prison must be like Butlins.

This is incredible. we have murderers on the loose on a daily basis and all Salmond can do about it is SHOUT at the top of his voice in FMQ that the SNP has a better abscond rate than the previous administration.

How Pathetic.
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The Online Scot,

Scotland 28/05/2009 23:08:44
Perhaps an election might serve to clarify the thinking of the Scottish unionists.

We've been over this nonsense before with the false claims over Trump.

An election would certailny let all politicians know just who the public trusted.

I'm fairly confident that the constant bitter sniping from Unionists won't go down well with the Scottish electorate.
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alba nach,

Tarbert 28/05/2009 23:39:41
So the police responsible for catching the criminal hadn't decided to release the information. The Unionists think it's more important Salmond ignore the police wishes and undermine any investigation so Labour and the Tories can score somecheap political points?

Sure prisoners shouldn't be wandering off, but if you want to introduce long term inmates back into society, an open prison is likely to be an integral part of that. At least under the SNP we have only a fraction of the escapees we used to see when Labour and the Tories were running the ship.
5

JaF,

29/05/2009 00:13:45
Iain Gray, raised the prospect of a vote of no confidence against the SNP government.28 January 2009
Opposition parties are considering a vote of no confidence in Kenny MacAskill.15 May 2009
For the second week running, opposition parties were considering a vote of no confidence in the minister. 22 May 2009
Why no VONC in Alex Salmond ?
Again all mouth and no action from the opposition !!!
6

Don Roberto,

29/05/2009 00:16:01
It's a sign of increasing desperation, that the tame unionists and their preening cheerleader Hamish McDonnell would sink so low in order to score political points against Salmond using this tactic.

I am reliably informed that this chap, who has been out on license for quite a while, has a serious drink problem and is expected to be found blootered out of his mind up a tenement close or in a ditch somewhere, hopefully still breathing.

Have Labour and the Tories forgotten there is a recession on> 750 jobs lost at HP in Erskine, 50 from Marchbank bakers in Dumfries and Galloway. The country is turning to keech, and the like of Gray and the post-pubescent pillock Richard Baker are more concerned with trying to trip MacAskill up.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 29/05/2009 00:18:08
An anti-SNP headline in the Scotsman at last !
After all those weeks of negative headlines about Labour/Tory/Lib-dem expenses, there was much rejoicing in the Scotsman offices when the journo's at last could go with a anti-SNP headline.
I heard the party is still going on.........
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 00:28:50
If Salmond and MacAskill had any sense of decency, they would both resign now.
9

Iainbroch,

29/05/2009 00:33:28
More garbage from the Tabloid Hootsman. Has Labours vote dropped that much? Or is it out and out panic at the fact that 52 Labour Liars have applied for Knighthoods. Rats and sinking Ships!
10

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/05/2009 00:37:51
It isn't Mister Salmond's fault that this murderer serving his life sentence was put in a jail that you can basically walk out of and decided to take advantage.

It is his responsibility, though, as is the fact that the killer is back out to prowl the streets, or whatever it is you do when you're a convicted murderer in Perthshire. He probably thought that he was being rehabilitated thanks to Mr McAskill's well-intentioned programme of saving the sinner while hating the sin.

Now I don't completely understand why Mister Salmond needs to announce to the parliament every time a murderer decides to take a few days off, any more than I understand why Micola Sturgeon has to personally announce every new flu case. I am sure it's all to do with the good government of the country. But it seems that the ministers in this administration are very keen to take the credit for good stuff while doing all they can to dissociate themselves from things that go awry.

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29/05/2009 00:39:08
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29/05/2009 00:47:28
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 00:51:10
labour team briefing! "just keep throwing mud" good old fashioned fishwife politics from the unionists.(if their unionists? that might change dramaticly when they get humped into third place south of the border?)
what's next on the oppositions blame agenda? it was the SNP's fault that westminster MP's have their noses in the troff? because if they had been stronger in the seventies scotland would be independent and westminster would not be our concern? iain "the gray" gray. no imagination and very much a westminster lapdog. where is his voice jim "the smug" murphy, keeping a very low profile recently? wonder why?
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29/05/2009 00:55:21
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 00:59:04
You can always rely on the Scotsman, not to dig out the relevent facts;

What did this guy do back in 1975?

How much of the last 34 years has he spent in prison?

What is the average length of a "life" sentence?

How long was he at liberty before they re-incarcerated him for "motoring offences"?

What I am getting at is... Is this fellow Public Enemy No. 1 ? - Or is he just someone who crushed a car, without the registered owners permission?
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29/05/2009 01:01:25
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 29/05/2009 01:07:47
So the prisoner Brown did not escape. He was out by permission but did not come back when he was supposed to. Was he a danger? If he was, why was he out? He had been out on licence but the licence was revoked for traffic offences. He was in an open prison for traffic offences, he was out on leave and had not come back. The police had not made the matter public.

Really we are being fed distortion by the heading "Salmond accused as killer goes on run" Should it not be "Traffic offender goes missing"

The number of abscondees under the present SNP government is a fraction of what it was in the past. The Justice Secretary can make all the rules he wants but unless the Prison Service apply them diligently there is little more McAskill could have done.

What does need to be tightened up is who is sent to open prison in the first place. But it must always be a risk that those who are allowed out on leave will abscond. But as far as I can deduce the biggest risk from Brown was to himself.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 01:17:09
#19 frank

Any Idea who Tait Communications are?

They make quite a few seizable donations to the Labour Party.


Scottish Labour Party
Tait Communications
status: Company
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Glasgow
G52 2EH
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£ 28,294.00
nature: Staff. Note: Donation originally reported as being from a Company. The party has now confirmed that it was from an Unincorporated Association.

http://tinyurl.com/mgs7ay
19

FerryPort,

29/05/2009 01:20:24
I am sick o this paper
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 01:24:53
#22, Col...............

Don't know, but will check it out.

Strange address for a £30 000 though. Perhaps you could ask Ian Davidson MP (Glasgow SW).
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Castaway™ ,

29/05/2009 01:26:59
The opposition parties are still unable to grasp the fact that even if there were resignations there will still be a SNP lead Scottish Government until the next SP elections in May 2011 unless the SG resigns or the opposition force through a motion of no confidence.
This asking members of the SG to resign is all childish behaviour which reflects on the Labour,Tory and Liberal (Scottish Branches) so why vote for them if this is all they can do when in opposition ?

This from Robert Burns to the opposition:-

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 29/05/2009 01:36:29
It is amazing that deluded Unionists think that after all the filth from Westminster parliament they could actually win an election in Scotland without hiding the register of voters?

These phony calls for Salmond to resign and call a Scottish election are the rantings of madmen but then you Scots already knew that. Gordon Brown would have called a national election if he had confidence of our support. May God bless the independent nature of a party that serves the people.
23

FerryPort,

29/05/2009 01:36:48
Salmond accused as killer......

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Scotsmen and Scotswomen? Let's go forward
24

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 01:59:31
scotsman circulation falling. FACT.
scottish self awarness growing. FACT.
unionisim shrinking. FACT.
westminster corruption shows it's self. FACT.
globalisation, big is not beautiful. FACT.
people want more organic goverment. FACT.
bye bye labour, bye bye westminster, bye bye union.
hello to scottish self control and accountabilty on our own doorstep.
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Castaway™ ,

29/05/2009 02:18:43
There is no need for the First Minister or the Scottish Government to resign or to have a vote of no confidence in the FM or SG to hold a general election

Extraordinary general elections
The Presiding Officer shall propose a day for the holding of a poll if-
(a) the Parliament resolves that it should be dissolved and, if the resolution is passed on a division, the number of members voting in favour of it is not less than two-thirds of the total number of seats for members of the Parliament.

This means 84 or more MSPs and we will have a extraordinary general election
Lab (46)+Con (16)+Lib(16) = 79 seats:Green (2):Ind (1):SNP (47).

It is upto the opposition to call for the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and see if the SNP supports your call ? Let the Scottish people decide !!!
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Ewan Randall,

29/05/2009 02:30:18
Though the First Minister might have been guilty in regards of withholding information which would have been relevant to the debate, was the prisoner in question considered to of been a danger to the public?

If the prisoner wasn’t considered to of been the type of risk “The Hawk” was should the case of this prisoner be treated in the same manner?

Is it not time to consider tagging of prisoners travelling out side of prison without supervision?
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 03:56:36
he did not escape from the prison,he failed to return after a home visit,how many of these home visits absconded during labours last time in power,how many under thatcher?
stop home visits unsupervised,they are in jail for a set time,then make them stay that time
whos fat head idea was it to let prisoners go home for a few days,and then return back themselves?
they need a brain transplant,wooly headed twits
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SassyC,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 04:10:45
13: Yes you - heard of 'parcels of rogues in a nation?'
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Phil C,

29/05/2009 04:18:28
A better story might be "Salmond ties his own shoelaces" or "Ian Gray goes to the toilet by himself".
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29/05/2009 04:26:44
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29/05/2009 04:31:44
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Phil C,

29/05/2009 04:52:22
Why can't these opposition tubes (particularly Labour and their media chums) do something positive to help sort problems instead of wasting everyone's energy with their constant childish sniping and petty posturing? Our politicians and 'news' reporters need to grow up and embrace the attempts at concensus by the SNP government.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 05:03:52
W Smith, You sir, are nothing but a low life racist.
There is no place in Scottish society for right wing bigots like you.

I would suggest you and your fellow BNP pond life sling your hook.
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Castaway™ ,

29/05/2009 05:08:38
#34-#35 - Billy Smith:
Gordon Brown shook hands with former jihadists who were incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay and wished them well for life after release as he toured a rehabilitation centre for extremists in the Saudi Arabian capital.
The Prime Minister chatted to Juma al-Dossary, 35, and Ganim al-Harbi, 34, who were both accused of providing “logistical support to terrorist organisations”, at the secure centre on the outskirts of Riyadh. Times November 3, 2008
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donald,

glasgow 29/05/2009 05:29:48
No one ever absconded from prison before, until the SNP came into power. Is her Majesty' Loyal Opposition capable of anything, except making fools of themselves by continually expressing their hatred and fear of the SNP? HM Labour in particular seem too thick to realise what asses they have become by opposing all progressive legislation for Scotland. such as reducing prescription charges, attempting to reduce class sizes and opposing Trident and Imperial wars.

Have the poor constituents of Springburn received any share of the London speaker's wealth? Is their anything worse that Labour can do to Springburn and their many deprived fiefdoms. "Point of Order! Order! Order! South of the Border! Where's mah expense claims?"
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 05:55:50
#37 Scottish and Proud

Mr Smith's posts are not racist. All he has provided is a list of events.

You are making a futile attempt to play the oft used 'Nat Racist Card' just because you have no answers.

It won't wash however.
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Astonished,

29/05/2009 05:58:48
Well done 'HAMISH MACDONELL' - You are now a fully-fledged labour presstitute - first class.


Your dishonest mince has beenly more than ably destroyed by the other posters - I am simply laughing at your, and labour's, utter desperation.



Remember 'truth and reconciliation' is just around the corner. How we will laugh at your contemptible attempts at justifying your labour churnalism.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 06:01:14
#39 Baggy Troosers

The only offensive poster around here is you and definitely not Mr Smith.

Thats the reason why the Scotsman took action against you and not Mr Smith.

You are a typical Nat. When you don't like the message, you try and get the poster banned.

Pathetic.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 06:20:17
Rufus I am surprised and horrified at yuor defence of this Smith character.

This has nothing to do with Unionism V Independence.

In every single post of his are anti muslim slurs.

If I or any other poster on here made equivalent posts about Jews or catholics you would be rightfully horrified.

To use the religious card is the favourite ploy in certain areas of WOS.

Let us all ensure we do not start having a similar disgusting approach to Islam.

That is one step away from BNP nirvana.
What is that phrase? "evil men prosper when the good men do nothing" or something similar
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 06:37:23
#44

Sorry but I have to disagree with you.

Mr Smith's posts are not racist.

You may not like the content but the content of them is not racist.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/05/2009 06:40:12
Oh the joy of seeing Ian Gray being slapped down, again, by Alex Salmond at FMQ.

Whilst I am a staunch supporter of this SNP Government, I find it unhealthy that the opposition is so poor. Labour really need to find a credible leader or they will continue to drift in the polls.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/05/2009 06:42:45
34 Smith

Racist.

45 Creature

Racist by association.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 06:57:21
Labour and the other opposition parties really do think that the Scottish people are so thick as to not realise that this storm in a teacup just helps to emphasise the total bankruptcy of ideas within their ranks.

Can anybody in their wildest nightmares imagine Ian Gray as FM.

Given that it is being reported that prisoners in English prisons are receiving drugs through the post would I be correct in presuming that in the interest of consistency Ian Gray will be calling for the resignation of the Home Secretary - I think not.

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/05/2009 07:03:34
What an empty vessel Ian Gray is.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 07:21:28
This is all a bit small beer is it not?
This minority administration is the most impotent and inactive executive we've had. They have had all their major policies exposed as cynical lies and we're left with them defending their increasingly incompetent justice secretary not because he's good but to avoid losing him will prop up this already this already damaged administration.
It's also getting very boring, everybody knows Mr MacAskill is for the high jump. Watching him stagger about is like watching a wildlife documentary about lions - you just wish the big cats would stop toying with Bambi and end it.
And of course the cybernats are doing what cybernats do best: blindly bellowing incoherent bile at Labour and defending the indefensible....
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 07:26:54
35
Good point.
After the terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport Mr Salmond and Mr MacAskill were invited to a security COBRA meeting where they were briefed on anti-terrorist operatiions and warned that all the operational information was classified and should be treated as confidential.
Imagine the civil servants and security personnel's horror when they saw Mr Salmond and Mr MacAskill on tv blurting out 'operational' information. Since then Mr Salmond has not been trusted with any security information....
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Jimmy Le Pie,

29/05/2009 07:32:57
Grupenfurher Smith, Various sad posts,

You really do have a problem don't you? I see your party have run out of money. Why not donate a few shekels to them???

Comrade Grahamski, Post 51, is breathtaking in it's stupidity!! Are you regularly 'briefed' by COBRA and taken into their confidence???

Or are you just deluded??

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 07:36:06
52
Widely reported. Indeed, it was widely reported that several of the 'security' people warned before the meeting of having the two SNP ministers present. They have previous.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

29/05/2009 07:36:53
#46, connaughtboy,

Aye, watching Comrade Gray being utterly humiliated and discredited every week is great entertainment.

Running a close 2nd is watching Comrade Broon being humbled and reduced to a gibbering wreck.


Keep up the good work!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

29/05/2009 07:37:47
#53 Grahamski,

Is the medication wearing off???
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 07:40:10
Why did Iain Gray not turn the tables on Alex Salmond at FMQ by announcing that John Brown had absconded from Castle Huntly ?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

29/05/2009 07:44:20
I might be missing something but are Alex and Kenny actually guarding these prisoners when they are not wiping the floor with Comrade Gray???

I've heard of job sharing but this is taking it to a new level!!!
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smokey joe 1,

29/05/2009 07:52:28
Iain Gray is a complete winker.
Tick,tick,tick,tick Tick,tick,tick,tick.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 07:58:22
post 50 By Labour employee , it is laughable this tactic of disinformation ,and distortion is obviously the big Labour plan to get back into power.

They have no policies for Scotland with the exceptions of taking orders from London,and being compliant to Westminster.

The other part of the master plan is to obsrtuct every SNP policy as with LIT,derailing referendum plans etc. Then complain about SNP not implementing their manifesto committments.

The trolls on here might be stupid enough to believe this ,fortunately as can be seen in all recent opinion polls the Scottish electorate are not fooled.

They look at Labour headed by an empty vessel, Auntie Annabel with only thoughts of how Mother England will bring back the real Tories instead of the kiddy on ones we have had since 1997.

Then there is the other ones.....what do you call them again, you know the ones led by Jo Grimmond, apologies they are so irrelevant I cannot remember their name.

With this lot in opposition no wonder the SNP are growing in popularity every day.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:02:06
It is laughable; when Mr MacAskill is finally told to fall on his sword to protect Mr Salmond just watch the nonsense spouted by the cybernats.
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Ewan Randall,

29/05/2009 08:04:45
(#56) – (Auld Twa) – Shouldn’t the question be more like, as the First Minister seems to have found a lack of enthusiasm in his opposition for a vote of no confidence against his secretary of justice due to his threats of resignation, then what advantage does the First Minister believe he gains from not divulging a second missing prisoner in the debate?
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 08:08:00
This is the height of Labour's politics, that even though they are 5x better than they were.

Meanwhile Labour and Tory MPs and Cabinet members have been robbing us bling and they will step down at the next election.
Dithering Brown is already falling behind in action against people.

Form a committee
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29/05/2009 08:08:59
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 08:09:39
Funny that I dont recall the same calls from SLAB when Cathy Jamieson was in charge in 2004:
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Recalling the first escape, she continues: "I said, no, enough is enough. I want the right people round the table. I'm going to set the agenda for them, they have to deliver and get it right. It's not my job to be chief executive of Reliance or the Scottish Prison Service, but it's definitely my job to make clear what they need to do."

Jamieson refuses to say if she has considered resignation. "As long as I've got the confidence of the First Minister, then I'm prepared to do it, and to take the difficult times.

"The public out there, when something goes wrong, they want answers. Sometimes there isn't any one individual [to blame]. It's a problem in the system."
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:11:35
62
No, the question should be why doesn't Mr Salmond behave with dignity his office demands: he's our first minister - unfortunately he behaves like a third-rate mountebank playing fast and loose with the truth, a second rate Mussolini with his shouting and chin-jutting and a first class boor with his hectoring and bullying.
All rather sad.
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Louis Catorze,

29/05/2009 08:14:42
Armed robbers with a history of absconding go to an open prison, yet housewife loan defaulters can end up somewhere like Holloway.

The justice system needs a shake up.
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29/05/2009 08:15:21
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/05/2009 08:15:40
67 Graham

You sound more like a troll every day. Please think of something worthwhile to say.
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 08:15:40
45 The Creature

Rufus, I'm genuinely surprised that you condone and defend Smith's comments. 99% of his posts display generalised negativity towards members of the Muslim community. Are you and Smith suggesting that there should be no inter-action between the Scottish Government and the Muslim community? Are you aware of the clear message sent out to Glasgow and Scotland on the prominent sign outside the mosque in the city? Does this sign designate a community which wishes to be excluded from Scottish society?
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 08:16:55
Holyrood is revolting. It should be re-conviened on a full-time basis inside Castle Huntly, for a few years. What a bunch of Party Twits.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/05/2009 08:18:30
The record of the SNP Government on abscondings from the open estate is vastly superior to that of the previous Exec. I think that Jamieson and Co should be the ones forced to apologise.
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 08:18:39
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"a second rate Mussolini"? Do you know your history?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 08:18:40
When will SLAB bring on their vote of no confidence ? Its a beautiful day outside and I'd much prefer a summer election in Scotland.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 08:19:59
67 Grahamski I will tell you what is really sad, you on here trying to score cheap political points for your beloved Labour Party and your total lack of any comment on the Nigel Griffiths thread .

There we have a man that apart from all his other misdeameanours has extorted £14,000+ for redecoration in under 3 years for in his words " a cramped little flat " in London.

No shock horror there from Grahamski ,because there is no opportunity to attack Scotland , or the SNP
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 08:20:32
76 Wardog

I am seriously surprised that anyone on this site should condone Smith's obvious racism and bigotry.
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Auld Twa,

29/05/2009 08:21:21
#62
So you are in favour of details of ongoing police activity being discussed at Holyrood ?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:24:04
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Who said anything about an election? If the SNP continue to float away on this cloud of inactivity perhaps the majority of Holyrood MSPS should form a national government and guide our country through these difficult times and concentrate on what's best for the people of Scotland and not what's best for a small minority nationalist party...
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:25:22
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Mr Griffiths should stand down immediately. He has clearly breached the Green Book rules. I believe any MP who breaches those rules should stand down. Do you?
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 08:29:39
81 Scottish and Proud

What is also sad is that when-ever the referendum was mentioned the opposition parties were united in stating that due to the economic situation this was not the time to be side-tracked.

Since then neither Gray nor Scott have asked the FM questions on this, previously propogated as an extremely important, issue nor have they made any positive suggestions of their own when given the opportunity to do so at FM's questions.

Instead, they concentrate on negativities and vain attempts to attack the government.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:33:01
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Actually no, the Green Book doesn't mention that nor does it mention pouring alcohol down underage girls throats, getting them drunk then acting inappropriately with them....
what it does do is forbid any purchases of luxurious goods or goods that you don't need to be an MP. On that basis lots of MPs should stand down.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 08:33:15
Why don't SLAB and their friends "form a national government and guide our country through these difficult times and concentrate on what's best for the people of Scotland" ?

Why won't they do that ?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:37:37
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I am saying that any MP who has contravened these rules should not stand for re-election at the next general election. Of course the cybernats can't agree witht hat because it would wipe out more than half the SNP MPs.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 08:42:24
Better than anything Grahamski I have a much better idea on what should happen regarding resignations.

I am 100% committed to all 59 Scottish MPs resigning immediately and forever from Westminster ,returning to their land of birth or habitation and forming the first truly Scottish government since 1707.

I then want to see Scottish Political Parties of all persuasions getting on with the job of governing Scotland on behalf of the sovereign people of Scotland.

An end to the existing 19th century Parliament in london ,and hello to the 21st Century global world.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 08:46:22
104 Wardog ,Don't be silly now ,don't you know it is only unionist Scottish soldiers that fight and die for their country.

My father RAF 39-46 and SNP voter does not count in Herr Phoenix's world
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:46:55
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Nutter.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 08:49:33
I'll predict that the numbers escaping from prisons will continue to fall under the SNP. It's all a very cunning plan by MacAskill. Send no-one to jail then they can't escape. Simple but effective.
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JaF,

29/05/2009 08:50:02
Iain Gray, Annabel Goldie and Tavish Scott should jointly propose that the Scottish Parliament should be dissolved then we could have a general election.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 08:51:47
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Your father is a hero unlike SNP leader and Scottish would-be quisling, Arthur Donaldson who worked against your dad and his comrades during the war.
Having the vote was won by heroes like your dad. He fought, ironically enough, to give snide wee ingrates like Mr Salmond the right to sneer at heroes like him today..
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JaF,

29/05/2009 08:54:05
#107 I am ex British Army and I vote for the SNP does that count ?
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 08:54:28
#84 Grahamski

" perhaps the majority of Holyrood MSPS should form a national government and guide our country through these difficult times and concentrate on what's best for the people of Scotland "

Excellent idea. Unfortunately, way beyond their abilities. The attitude appears to be 'do as little as possible' - even to be extent of offloading the majority of Scottish legislation to Westminster. Holyrood is a joke.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 08:55:18
81 Scottish and Proud
If Labour and Tory Mps have been milking the expenses system while SNP MPs are squeaky clean, please consider the following details :

All of these abuses of the expenses system have come under the category of "additional costs allowances". This is the allowance which reimburses Mps for staying in London to attend Westminster and includes all the aspects relating to second homes. It has nothing to do with travel costs which come under a separate ccategory.

In 2002/03 Alex Salmond's claim for "additional costs allowances" was the joint highest of all 657 MPs. Who did he share top spot with - fellow SNP MP Angus Robertson. In 2003/04 Alex Salmond's claim was third highest and in 2001/02 it was second highest.

Since those years Alex Salmond has not regained top spot. But who has gained top spot - fellow SNP Mp Angus MacNeil.

SNP MPs have regularly featured as the top claimant for "additional costs allowances" quite an achievemant since there are only 7 of them out of (now) 645 MPs.

It is patently obvious thet MPs of all parties have been milking the system. It is therefore futile and facile to try to make political capital for one party out of the issue.
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letmein,

hinterland 29/05/2009 08:56:04
Alex Salmond savaged by dead sheep. Grahamski and the cftblagoon. It's quite nice to see 2 obvious little unionists getting all excited agreeing with each other. Who stated the open prison system, I seem to remember when laybour were in power rapists, murderers and the like were going out for a pint when they felt like it.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 08:59:00
#115 The Tin Man

I tend to agree with you. The minority SNP government has been quite competent (that oaf MacAskill being the noteable exception)in the same way a good office mnager is quite competent. But Eck and team haven't managed to get any of their big ideas introduced. Anyone would think he was scared of calling for an election just as much as the other party leaders.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:02:31
110 Grahamski
I appreciate the comment on my father being "a hero"

then you go into rant mode
"Having the vote was won by heroes like your dad. He fought, ironically enough, to give snide wee ingrates like Mr Salmond the right to sneer at heroes like him today

I can assure you the last thing my father was fighting for was Westminster or Great Britain.

He was a good Nationalist and I am only sorry he is not here today to see the winning post in sight.

He fought so people like you could have the democratic right to put down the country he truly loved Scotland.

He fought so that he could have walked up to yuo looked you in the eye and told you what I am today.

You are the epitomy of everything that makes me a Nationalist .
Someone that would prefer to protect a Parliament and system that has done everything in its poer to ensure our country can never reach its full potential.

In his latter years his biggest disgust was that Scots could so easily be lured and seduced by the power trip of London.

A better Scot coined the phrase
What a parcel o' rogues in a nation.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:03:12
The last thing the Opposition parties need is a premature Scottish Parliament Election!

It has just been reported on BBC that last year Lord George Foulkes MSP claimed over £54,000 for attending the House of Lords on 42 occasions! Brass-necked Lord Foulkes defends taking this large sum in so-called attendance allowance?

This disclosure could not have come at a worse time for Labour!
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 09:05:13
#117 Ugly

Meanwhile, we have MSPs busy doing nothing, whilst they milk the Edinburgh housing market at our expense. What a bunch of beauties.
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:05:34
And Wee Eck is also guilty of sticking his snout in the trough ...doesnt he also pay Family members from the Expenses he claims from Westminster??
So it seems the SNP MPs are just the same as the rest in it for what they can make so much for the SNP Morals .....
Alec Salmond Expenses Claims
2001/2 £100.611
2002/3 £134.972
2003/4 £146.151
2004/5 £149.300
2005/6 £157.844
2006/7 £166.814
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£855.692 total
( Total does not include either the First Minister Salary nor Expenses claimed for that Office it also does not include MP Salary )
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 09:08:40
#126 mr broon

Aye, and Salmond claimed £140,000 for representing his constituents six times at Westminster. What a bunch of jokers.
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:10:22
Wardog your only consistant in making a fool of yourself .......bleating about how good the SNP are doing ...Blah ...Blah Blah ..
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:13:09
Me thinks Wardog doth protest too much .......
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W U Merchant,

Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio 29/05/2009 09:15:55
How does the song go again?

So long it's been good to know you ...

Hee hee hee.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:16:02
#132 Wardog

I take it Boudica's figures at #129 are wrong? The FM didn't claim nearly £170,000 in a year when he spent very little time in London? And you think that's justifiable? Like the majority of your fellow Nats, you claim to be some sort of new politics, but you're just as corrupt, self-serving and hypocritical as the Unionist parties.
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:20:24
"I do wish other political parties would perhaps give their support to our police to make sure that we apprehend this individual not seek to make narrow political points." ...
The Point being that MacAskill aint doing his Job ???
Where does Mac stand on the Mone and partner Fiasco ?

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:21:32
#148 Wardog

And like the rest of them all, you never answer a reasonable question either. Ever thought of being a politician?
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 29/05/2009 09:22:28
Ian Gray is being very foolish to try and gain extra mielage from this. Yes, it is unacceptable that such a dangerous man is at large. However, every time that Gray appears on the media to make his point, the following true fact always surfaces:

Under Tory, 90 abscons per year
Under Labour, 79 abscons per year
Under SNP, 16 abscons per year

Are Labour so thick that they don't realise this is the main take-home message that is ringing in the electorate's ears right now?

Ian Gray would be very wise to drop this asap. The longer he harps on about this, the more the real truth comes out about the whole affair.
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 09:22:36
#151

Sadly, he has all the 'qualities' required for a job from Brown or Salmond.
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boudica,

29/05/2009 09:23:56
Wardog
I haven't claimed anything but your fevered imaginations are a wonder to behold.
So Wardog ..you are actually admitting Wee Eck the Highest paid Skivver and Crew are just as bad as the rest ?
Well thats a start ..so when are you going to insist like the rest of us that all Corrupt Politicians across all parties are thrown out ?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:27:14
#157 Wardog

Never answers a question and when confronted by the truth, mocks. I've seen that before somewhere. Wardog, are you Alexander Salmond?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 09:28:17
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No cybernat will ever insist that every greedy cheating MP is thrown out because it will mean more than half the number of SNP MPs will be booted out and you can't be a sanctimonious prig when half your party are up to their tartan oxters in gravy from the Westminster and Holyrood trains....
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 09:28:45
#153 Luigiana

Here's the report on the last dangerous prisoner to walk out of Castle Huntly (presumably to be re-printed yearly):

http://www.sps.gov.uk//Default.aspx?DocumentID=77bfad84-1339-47ae-8f04-9389122c4826

And here is the Scottish Prison Services historical record of escapes and absconders:

http://www.sps.gov.uk/default.aspx?documentid=7AC1F3BE-BECA-452E-A9C8-07EDF7486A9F
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:29:18
153 ..what truth ?
it is the SNP and not Labour or the Tories who are supposed to be running Scotland

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:31:07
#162 Wardog

I rest my case.
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Allan(handofgod137),

29/05/2009 09:40:53
And once more the gnat lap dogs leap to the defence of their masters.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 09:41:09
Here we go again , obviously an order from their handlers in London taint SNP in our expenses fiddle.

Even the "Scottish Press Corps" usually so helpful in smearing the SNP are carrying no stories on SNP MPs excessive or otherwise expenses from London Westminster.
They did however try to milk the Toblerone and Corkscrew.
On here the only ones you are convincing are yourselves,and that seems kind of pointless.
Go look at the recent opinion polls the Scottish Electorate do not believe you either.
Labour in freefall ,in fact in danger of coming 4th behind UKIP at Euros, SNP on the rise last poll I believe showed SNP on 42% for Westminster and that is Scottish Landslide area.
So enjoy yuorselves on here it is having no affect elsewhere
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:44:29
#171 Alasdair

Come off it. I listened to MacAskill earlier on Radio Scotland and he made the same argument as you are, that to come clean that a prisoner had absconded would hamper the police effort him. Utter tosh. For one thing, the polis never asked that the information be withheld, especially not from Parliament. Secondly, I don't see why simply saying a prisoner (no name, no offence identified) would hamper the search. That he has escaped is hardly a secret to the prisoner, is it?
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Scottish and Proud,

glasgow 29/05/2009 09:52:02
140 Draco
Let us get this straight our justice minister goes on BBC Radio Scotland and tells the nation .
that due to police operational intersts he was requested to withold information.
You say this is al ie because?????
A. because that is what yuo want to believe?
or
B. you got a phone call from the Chief constable telling you it was untrue?
or
C. You are lying?

Now which shall we believe???





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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 09:54:00
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Do you actually read the papers?
All the mnain Scottish titles have reported the excessive claims of Messrs Salmond, Robertson, MacNeill and Hosie.
The cybernats have laughably tried to concentrate on the low-level greed - the £160 cushion, the £20 corkscrew etc in the vain hope that we will ignore the property portfolios and turbo-charged greed of the truly excessive claims.
However, it is taken as read by all but the most reactionary nat that ALL parties are implicated in this scandal.
Mr Salmond's quite shameful attempts at claiming to be a victim of the system rather than a greedy trough-guzzler will go down as one of the most cynical and opportunistic displays of responsibility ducking ever witnessed. Even by Mr Salmond's low standards, his attempt to blame his personal greed on Westminster was jaw-droppingly disreputable.
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JaF,

29/05/2009 09:57:05
I don't think AS or any SNP MP are in the same league as:-
Andrew Mackay claimed £140,952 under the second home allowances scheme for one marital home when his wife Julie Kirkbride, a fellow Tory MP, claimed the same allowance on another, meaning the couple double claimed.
Alistair Darling the Chancellor changed the property on which he claims second homes allowance four times in five years, pocketing £111,000 of public cash in the process.
Elliot Morley who claimed almost £16,000 for a non-existent mortgage.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 09:57:45
143 should be for 139
Apologies.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 10:00:37
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We all accept that those you have mentioned should stand down. Why can't you accept that the SNP MPs who have broken the Green Book rules should stand down too?
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JaF,

29/05/2009 10:01:57
I don't think AS or any SNP MP are in the same league as:-
David Chaytor,has admitted that he had claimed almost £13,000 in interest payments for a mortgage that he had already repaid.
Justice Minister Shahid Malik has claimed thousands of pounds in taxpayer allowances on his second home while renting his main home.
Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper who reportedly "flipped" their second home to three different properties within two years.
MP Fabian Hamilton declaring his mother’s home in London as his main residence, allowing him to claim thousands of pounds to improve his family home in Leeds
Ann and Alan Keen, who have allegedly claimed almost £40,000 a year on a central London flat less than 10 miles from their family home.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 10:05:49
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All true. Why don't you accept that the SNP MP's are guilty of greed and breaking the rules too?
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bluehead,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 10:09:19
the strange thing about racism and bigotry is that it used to be called patriotism,
perhaps we could learn from the animal kingdom where they have been on this earth before mankind, and no doubt, will be still be here when mankind are gone,
there simple rules for survival are -stick with you own people and stay in your own territory .
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 10:10:18
Morgages funded by you, and me.

All profits to be kept by the MSPs.

"The spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond refused to give his view on profits from house sales"
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JaF,

29/05/2009 10:12:49
I don't think AS or any SNP MP are in the same league as:-
Clare Short Labour MP for Birmingham Ladywood claimed the full cost of her mortgage for two and a half years, despite being entitled to charge only for the interest element.
Chris Bryant,“flipped” his second home twice in two years, allowing him to claim almost £20,000 from expenses.
Bill Cash, claimed £15,000 from the taxpayer to pay his daughter, Laetitia, rent for her west London flat - even though he owned a home in Pimlico, just a short walk from Westminster. Mr Cash designated her flat as his "second home" for expenses during 2004 and 2005. Miss Cash, 35, who hopes to become a Tory MP, went on to sell the property for more than £40,000 profit.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 10:13:55
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All these people should not stand again if they've broken the rules. Should the SNP MPs who have broken the rules be allowed to stand again?
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:14:22
Wardog ....Wee Eck has ...he has taken his MP Salary for doing nothing and he even claimed over a £1.000 for sheets among other things ..hence he is the Highest Paid Skivver in or should I say out of Westminster and no doubt his family members got their Salaries too ....
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 10:18:02
Grahamski, Tin Man, Boudica WU.

Every thursday / Friday 150 criminals abscond ftom Westminster, most of them Labour MPs and Brown dithers about what to do, so he does the usual and forms a committee.
The Scottish Abscondees, few though they are will go to jail, the Westminster abscondees won't.

The man in charge of this debacle is GORDON BROWN

A General Election is unavoidable now, it is the only way to defuse the Telegraph story.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

29/05/2009 10:18:18
Tin Man,

The word 'potential' appears in your list in every case.

Should they pay tax on these potential profit/losses???

My house is worth £10 million if someone was daft enough to pay that, but I'm waiting!!

All your doing is making a fool of yourself but then we all know you are a fool!!
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 10:18:37
#108 his lardship(he of many wage packets)had the gall to berate that bbc reporter into how much salary she got from the bbc
she should have asked him why is he paid ove £500 a day for going to the lords?
how many pies has he got fingers in,and how much is paid?
he spouts we are the party that helps the poor
roflmo,he means that helps themselves more like
hes more blackhearted than satan,sold his soul for a seat in the lords
he has been entertaining the hearts supporters for years,as tynecastle is the only scottish ground to house a ufo(g foulkes)
U=useless
F=fat
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:21:39
Wardog .."Has any SNP MP broken the green book rules?"
Oh!! so it is okay if they claim within the rules ?? so according to you that is okay for the SNP and wrong for all the others ...See Wardog how consistant you are in proving what a fool you really are ... so the SNP are just as if not more morally corrupt as the rest ..the Nats supporters think that this okay ..
unlike the rest of us ..who think it is wrong ...
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 10:21:40
cont
O=object,god my keyboard must be a labour Mp liker as its only working when it feels like it,must want fed new batteries,like foulkes and baillie with pies and lies
thats labours new slogan in scotland
"For Pies And Lies(big porkies a speciality)Join/Vote Labour,You Know It Doesnt Make Sense"
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:25:31
Wee Eck doesnt even appear at Westminster and he absconds with the Salary every month ..he even claims for his grub during the summer when the place is empty ...
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 10:25:39
#163 Jimmy

I think that, unlike yourself, most people would say that MSPs shouldn't be making any profit (or loss) at the tax-payer's expense. Presumably, profits made on a second home are subject to capital gains tax, but a profit is still a profit.

As for the 'fool' jibe... Well, that says a lot for you.
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Yeah1,

29/05/2009 10:26:03
All this expenses stuff has been covered many times before in other articles actually relevant to expenses - you are all deflecting attention from the serious issues of this article.

If Salmond was told by Tayside Police not to mention the latest escaped prisoner that is fine and understandable.

However it is clear that a full independent investigation must be carried out immediately into open prisons in Scotland.

It is beyond a joke that prisoners convicted of serious crimes such as murder are able to escape so easily.

Once an independent report is published on the issue whoever the report finds is responsible obviously needs to be disciplined or dismissed - whether the report finds that the responsibility lies with this particular open prison, the Scottish Prison Service, or the Justice Secretary.
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boudica,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:27:10
Wee (Who ate all the Pies)Eck gets free Grub at our expense...
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:28:24
I am sure the editor of the Torygraph would love this thread. Why don't we just hang every MP from the nearest lampost, kill all their families, and their pets, and burn their houses down for good measure.

Grahamski - you need to get a sense of perspective on this. Put down your pitchfork and think.
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 10:29:28
#170 Yeah

I am glad I don't live anywhere near Castle Huntly. There must be murderers, rapists, and armed-robbers wandering about the streets, everywhere.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:29:31
Grhamski the answer to your question is simple if any MP has broken the rules (therein lies the problem) they should go.
Anyone making excessive claims but within rules should be judged by the electorate.
the fact is this whether or not you like it.
No SNP MP has broken any rule unless you can give us 100% proof here and now.

So let their electorate decide if they have been excessive.
According to all recent polls it does not seem so,the SNP keep climbing and your beloved Labour Party???
Well better left unsaid you probably already feel like all the Celtic supporters did on Sunday when Mendes put away the second goal.

Same outcome for you too ,it's over no prizes for being second,or in Labours case 3rd or 4th
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 10:30:19
#172 Observer

Can we torture them first?
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 10:31:30
I despair when I think what Labour used to stand for. Every day nu Labour poodles come on here and struggle to find a topic to attack the Nats and the end up attacking somebody (whom i don't like) for being 5 times better than they were.

SLAb you need to wake up to the fact that Scottish labour is withering on the vine; you need to make some demand for Scotland and stop sniping
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:33:10
170 This is not a story. Absconds from open prisons happen on a regular basis, especially when a long term prisoner is nearing the end of their sentence and is granted home leave. There is no suggestion that this man poses any risk to the public.

The idea that this should be reported to the Parliament is laughable.

Who runs this country BTW ? Elected politicians or newspapers ?
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 10:33:20
#174 SaP

Himmler didn't break the rules, either.

Rules, rules?
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pwd,

Borders 29/05/2009 10:33:54
Salmond's performance on this issue at FMQT was disgraceful - more like a threatening bully in a bar than First Minister of the Scottish Executive.

Of course, part of the dear leader syndrome is that the revered one can do no wrong, even when he fraudulently claimed £400 per month for food when Westminster was closed.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:35:07
175 Yes why not - mobs are usually quite good at that.
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Yeah1,

29/05/2009 10:45:27
#177

"This is not a story."

The fact that a convicted murderer has absconded from prison is a story.

MacAskill has already admitted that the regulations he imposed on open prisons were not followed in the last escape incident - a full independent inquiry needs to be carried out as soon as possible to find out why this is the case.

"There is no suggestion that this man poses any risk to the public."

He is a convicted murderer - just because the murder happened over 30 years ago does not mean he is no longer a threat.

"The idea that this should be reported to the Parliament is laughable."

Considering parliament were discussing open prisons yesterday of course this should have been reported - it is completely relevant to the issues discussed.

Unless Salmond was advised by Tayside Police not to disclose the escape he should have told parliament about it.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 10:50:01
He didn't abscond - he failed to return. As he was in an open prison and was allowed out one would assume he is not a danger to the public. How on earth do we then get this piece of nonsense in the article "a murderer had absconded from an open prison."

Abscond: "To leave quickly and secretly and hide oneself, often to avoid arrest or prosecution."

He didn't leave quickly - he was let out ffs.
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Scottyboy007,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:50:27
#44 I think you are exaggerating. If YOU are Scottish and Proud then why do you allow Foreigners votes and depend on Muslims for independence. The influx of Illegal immigrants and mass influx of asylum seekers is the second most important issue to the electorate in this country. I am speaking about NONE BMP people. I live in Glasgow and I honestly don’t even know one BMP person. The OLD Racist card is being played once again by ALL main political parties accusing everyone who raises the subject as being a racist or belonging to the BNP. I for one don’t buy into this nonsense. This country is the Laughing stock of the world with asylum seekers and Border Controls.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:51:34
189 Can you read ? The man was returned to prison for breaching his license for traffic offences. He doesn't pose a risk, there is no danger to the public, this is a hysterical politically motivated over-reaction.
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 10:52:19
Berero,

Yes what is Brown doing about the 50+ Labour criminals who abscond from Westminster every weekend?

I predict he will dither and hope it goes away, he does the same with everything always acts too Late.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 10:52:36
“This prisoner was transferred to an open prison on the recommendation of the parole board, in order to test his suitability for release, and was potentially due for release in July.

“He has no history of absconding from the open estate, and had already completed one successful seven-day period of home leave in April this year.”
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Yeah1,

29/05/2009 10:57:55
It is evident the open prison system in Scotland is not working.

MacAskill has already admitted 'the hawk' should not have been in open prison.

Clearly prisoners who should not be in open prison (such as the one last year who escaped and raped that girl) are being put there for whatever reason - overcrowding, mistakes, not following procedures.

A full independent review is clearly needed to find out why prisoners are escaping, why prisoners who should not be there are there, and why procedures are not being followed.

If the report finds the governors of Castle Huntly responsible they must go, if the report finds the director of the SPS service responsible he must go, if the report finds the Justice Secretary responsible he must go.

This cannot continue - the rape was bad enough, next time a murder may be committed.

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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 10:59:30
178 tin Man
so early in the day to be using the Nazi slur is it not??

Talking of Nazis why don't you talk to Scottyboy @196 he sounds the type of chap you would get along famously with.
Ching Ching
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 11:03:39
207 Yeah1

I think the poit is that the SPS didn't follow due process so perhaps someone there needs to go, not the minister.

What do we do about the Westminster absconders 50+ Labour MPs and Cabinet ministers, standing down is not enough they need to go now and call elections.
Cameron is clearing his out by the day Gordon has formed a committee so that a decision can be made as he is incapable of doing this himself.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 11:03:54
207 Well, as Macaskill has already announced a review, I fail to see your point caller.

I'll tell you circumstances in which a Justice Minister might be forced to resign - if, say, she decided to privatise some of the SPS functions and employed a private comopany (let's call them Reliance for the sake of argument) who let dangerous prisoners loose on a regular basis.



Kenny Macaskill does not operationally manage the Scottish Prison Service. It is not his role to do that. Calling for his head because of operational issues is totally wrong and betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between Ministers and the services they are responsible for.

So either Iain Gray and the editor of the Scotsman are as thick as mince, or this is a political witch-hunt. Or both.

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Yeah1,

29/05/2009 11:07:37
#209

"An independent review by Professor Alex Spencer, former governor of Peterhead and other prisons and a widely-acknowledged expert on prison matters has been ordered."

Excellent. Lets hope the review manages to find out the reasons for why the system isn't working, why MacAskill's amendments haven't been followed and why prisoners who shouldn't be there, are being put there.

"The question do you close open prisons because of a few failures, they are generally successful in reintroducing prisoners back into society."

Yes, open prisons should not be closed, they do serve a useful purpose. However it is important to investigate the failures that have occured and to deal with them.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/05/2009 11:10:35
212
So, it's come to this has it? Reduced to joining the cybernat pack defending the corruption and incompetence of the SNP for the greater good?
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The Tin Man,

29/05/2009 11:11:57
#187 Spook

http://www.airplanemodelworks.com/sukhoi-su37-jet-model-airplane-p-888.html

It is a 'glueless kit'. ;-)
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 29/05/2009 11:14:09
THE MEDIA PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE SNP IS A SHAM.

GIVE US THE FACTS,NOT PROPAGANDA!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!

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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 11:16:48
217 The Rat Pack?
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 11:17:19
******* 2006 *******

"A SCOTTISH prison has come under fire after six inmates absconded in the past week."

"Scottish Prison Service (SPS) figures show that 27 prisoners absconded or did not return to Noranside in 2004-5, almost double the figure for 2003-4."

What did the SNP say about this in Holyrood? Did they attack the First minister? Here was the response.

"Mr Swinney described the number of prisoners absconding as unacceptable, adding: "I would expect the SPS to take action to reduce the level of absconding dramatically. For public confidence to be assured, the number needs to be zero."

He expects the SPS to take action. He didn't attack the Executive. Hmm .....

The article was in the Scotsman in 2006. Compare the headlines.

2006: "Concerns over open prison after six inmates abscond"

2009: "Salmond accused as killer goes on the run"

This "newspaper" is a disgrace.
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 11:20:23
213 Yeah1 Well said.

218 Wardög, Grahamski will condemn the Expenses thing because there is nowhere to hide(unless you are Gordon) but a General Election would be disaster for Labour so they are not allowed to consider it.
Strange thing is that all it is doing is puting SLAB in the same bag as Westminster Labour-- Crazy.
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Yeah1,

29/05/2009 11:26:00
#210

"How do we or you know that the open prison system isn't working? Because the occasional inmate doesn't return now and again, or is it because those at Castle Huntly fail to be successfully rehabilitated?"

Because, as has been admitted, prisoners who should not be sent to open prisons are being sent there.

#211

"I think the poit is that the SPS didn't follow due process so perhaps someone there needs to go, not the minister."

Yes it looks that way, we will see what conclusions the review comes to.
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Brianwci,

29/05/2009 11:27:34
#6 Don Roberto says: "I am reliably informed that this chap, who has been out on license for quite a while, has a serious drink problem and is expected to be found blootered out of his mind up a tenement close..."

Thanks for that Don R

1. Inmates do not 'escape' from Open Prisons, they WALK out.

2. Anyone who has been in prison for 30 years and is due for release does not do 'a runner'.

3. Stats show the reason for the vast majority of OP absconds is for family problems. Once they are sorted out the inmate invariably hands himself back in.

4. In this latest case this man appears to have a drink problem (who wouldn't after 30 years in jail)and has found the combination of a little money, alcohol and a bit of freedom a bit too much to handle.

But that's what O Ps and Home leave are all about, to help long term inmates re-adjust to society.

If opposition MSPs are genuine about prisoner rehabilitation they will allow the system a bit of slack and stop jumping up and down trying to score cheap political points against the SNP.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 11:38:57
214 Who is defending corrupt politicians ? Not me. On the other hand I don't look very good with a pitchfork so I tend not to join the mob.

Are you perhaps a tad annoyed that the ''journalistic standards'' (no laughing at the back) of the Scotsman are (rightly) under attack ?

You have to admit this is all politically inspired nonsense surely ?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 11:40:46
#212 Observer.

Morning, Observer. Not the point. Macaskill, for all he's a half-wit, can't be held responsible for every escape from the 'estate'. The issue is that both he and Eck were economic with the 'truth' they told to Parliament (i.e. us)Both knew at the time another prisoner had absconded but didn't think it worth mentioning to Parlaiment at the time because it's a wee bit embarassing to them. The default position for all politicians is disingenuousness. MacAskill is hiding behind police operational necessity. He was specifically asked today, several times, whether he had been asked by the polis not to reveal a prisoner had absconded. He chose not to answer, which means he wasn't and could have been candid yesterday. He chose not to and confirmed himself just another dishonest politician.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 11:47:50
246 Draco - do you genuinely think that this very low level abscond is a matter for the Scottish Parliament ? I don't think it is appropriate for Scottish Ministers, let alone the First Minister, to dance like a puppet on a string at the behest of political opponents seeking to conflate two unrelated issues. The transfer of the ''Hawk'' to an open prison is clearly a matter which needs review and action. This case is different - you must see that ? There is no systematic failure here for Macaskill to answer.
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Yeah1,

29/05/2009 11:48:39
#243

"242. Did she resign?"

No but the opposition parties were all calling for her to resign, as they are now with MacAskill.

Thats what opposition parties do - see opportunities where they think they can score political points, such as calling for a minister to resign over something which may not be their fault.

Its slightly hypocritical of the SNP to complain about opposition parties calling for MacAskill's head when they did exactly the same with Jamieson, but then most political parties and MPs/MSPs are hypocrits.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 11:51:56
#247 Berero

Absolute nonsense. It's obvious neither Salmond or MacAskill were specifically asked not to comment in any way by the police or they would say outright they weren't. They haven't, or at least MacAskill didn't when he was asked. Neither are slow to comment on police operational matters and take credit when it suits them. MacAskill was all over a police operation here in Edinburgh like a rash, just the other week. Cause it was a good headline not a potentially embarassing one.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 11:57:40
251 New Labour's ideological politcal choice to privatise an element of the work normally undertaken by public sector operatives led to systematic failure in the transfer of prisoners. To me, that was a resigning matter - but she didn't.

There is no comparison between then and now. The numbers of escaped and absconded prisoners has diminished, not grown. And yet Labour are calling for Macaskill's head when they would not put Jamieson's on the block even although the circumstances warranted it ?

That is real hypocrisy for you. And treating the Scottish electorate like idiots who can't remember what happened a few years ago.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 11:58:07
"Did she resign?" Of course not, but yet again what was the headline regarding the "runaways?"


*******Reliance's bid to escape its past*****



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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 11:58:33
#249 Observer.

Not particularly. Prisoners escape from jails, courts, police stations and police cars every day. Of course that's not a matter for Parliament. But what is a matter for all of us is the honesty of the Minister for Justice and ALL our politicians. When MacAskill was asked the question he could have said 'this is low level political trouble making and not really a matter for Pariament, go away' But no, he chose, like the all choose, to tell half-truths. That's the whole point about this inignificant matter and the minutiae of the expenses scandal. Very, very few of them seem to be entirely trustworthy, honest, morally straight people. The sort of people I want to be making laws for me to live by.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 12:02:19
#255 Berero

The evidence of my own ears. Glen Campbell asked MacAskill several times if he had been asked by the police not to give details or comment on the escaped prisoner. He wouldn't answer which, to my mind, meant he hadn't.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 12:03:06
#67, Grahamski.

You, to your credit take a strong stance against bullying.

Is it not right, then, for the FM to stand up to the bullying of the opposition against their unprincipled attacks on the Justice Minister.
This type of Opposition behaviour, after all, has previous:

Unwarranted, unprinciple attacks on the FM dismissed by the Standards watchdog.
Previous unprincipled attacks on the Justice Minister, who has pesided over: a falling crime rate, a falling rate of absconders, higher police numbers inter alia.
Unsustained threats of No-confidence motions.

Would you not agree, Grahamski, that the FM's stance taken against this bullying, by the Opposition, is commendable and, in keeping with the best practice of standing up to bullies?
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Ewan Randall,

29/05/2009 12:03:53
Isn’t this just a classic case of mistaken identity we have here?

Haven’t many of the posters on here today seen an institution and abused rules with those involved on the run and got it mixed up with another institution at Westminster?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 12:05:24
258 I quite agree that the Scottish Parliament could do with some more straight talking and less political double speak. I would love to see a Minister, or indeed a Shadow Minister, tell his or her opponent that they were at it and to stop playing silly games and get on with what was important. Because that's all this is , a silly game. And it isn't important.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 12:06:40
#260 Wardog

Can you read? Or are you just selective in what you do? I agree with you. But he was asked a question, for whatever reason, and he should answer truthfully in Parliament. All politicians should. But you're so pathetically partisan you won't admit that.
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Warden Resurrected,

In my spiderman pyjamas 29/05/2009 12:09:23
Wardog are you off your thread. ;-)
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 12:10:05
Labour's Richard Baker and the Mr Magoo of the Scots Tory Party had more than ample opportunity to press for MacAskill's resignation over the 'Hawk' affair but blew it?

This comic duo couldn't have made a case against Hitler!
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 12:11:06
267 Wardög,

I prefer Glen Michael
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Darien,

Panama 29/05/2009 12:12:36
This is rather obviously a complete and utter non-story which is fully intended to divert the public's attention from the Westminster sleave and corruption expose on New Labour and Tory MP's expenses, and the dire and worsening economic situation. Westminster expenses are the real issue for now. This coordinated Unionist/British Nationalist plus suporting media attack on the SNP is no more than a tactical diversion from the real political issues of the day.

What difference does another murderer on the streets make anyway when for the past decade and more New Labour & Fib Dum Ministers have allowed hundreds of murderers to get out of jail early in Scotland. That has a lot to do with Cathy Jamieson and before her Jim Wallace. At least the murderer in question is going back in when caught - the ones previously let out early are not.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:15:27
Leith to Balgreen

http://www.mybustracker.co.uk/index.php
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 12:20:20
#273 Wardog

No, you're so busy thinking yourself the master of the cutting comment (base yourself on Eck there?) that you don't read what people say. I'm not making any party political hay out of anything. Unfortunately, I'm with a growing number of people who say a plague on all their houses. They're all as bad as each other. You, like all the other sad wee devotees, whether SNP or Labour, can't seem to grasp that fact. Maybe you will when the turn out rate has become even more of a national embarassment.
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nova albion,

29/05/2009 12:20:47
What a utter disgrace salmond and his bunch of merry eejits are! salmond is out to feather his own nest,much like the rest of the political establishment.
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 12:24:42
249 nova albion

What about the 50+ Labour Absconders from Westmonster why are they not being removed, because Brown has called for a committee. That's what you get when the man in charge is scared to make a decision.
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29/05/2009 12:30:03
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:34:50
nova albion

HI KIMBA!
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Warden Resurrected,

In my spiderman pyjamas 29/05/2009 12:35:36
Wardog-I have been on a little sabbatical until Mr Greenwood signed my release papers.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:37:17
Police didn't release the information for 24 hours. It would have been inappropriate for it to have been mentioned in advance.

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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:38:08
and from the Timesonline

"Holyrood’s opposition parties backed away from tabling a vote of no confidence on Kenny MacAskill, the Justice Minister, over the escape of a dangerous criminal from an open prison.

Labour said yesterday that it now had “no plans” to force a vote on Mr MacAskill’s future — a move Alex Salmond, the First Minister, indicated would trigger the en masse resignation of the Scottish government and a fresh set of elections."

Ha ha ha ha ha.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 12:38:54
We had a Scottish Tory yesterday who rightly pointed out that a reduction of 13 Scottish MPs to Westminster had made no discernible difference to the governance of Scotland. Today we have Griffiths claiming that Westminster is so far away, that he needed £3,500's worth of TV/radio/DVD player to keep him in touch with whats happening in Scotland.

So can anyone remind me again what is the purpose of sending Scottish MP's to Westminster given it's apparent ineffectiveness and distance from Scotland ?
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:39:40
Labour wimps indeed.

"Labour had previously indicated that they would support a vote of no confidence in the Justice Minister if it was brought forward by the Tories, but a spokesman for the party said that it had no plans itself to move such a motion.

The Liberal Democrats also made it clear that they were not planning to move against the Justice Minister, although it emphasised that the party did not believe he was doing a good job. "
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:43:42
Hey Berero!

Maybe you could see if John Burt Brown is on Twitter.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:45:14
"Lol, just how cowardly can these snivelling 2bit opposition politicians get?"

Contacting the Scotsman to pass on labour press releases disguised as news?
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29/05/2009 12:45:44
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:46:13
Warrdog

I was later reading this thread today. Why were you banned?
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 12:47:03
97 Grahamski

Stranger to the truth and not for the first time.

Can you give one single instance where Salmond sneered at heroes, past or present?

Would he be correct to sneer at the "heroes" hiding behind their desks at No.10 and 11 while the carnage they were responsible for rained death and destruction on innocent and defenceless Iraqis?
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:48:03
Re Olympics football

Would there be a problem if the team selected used some Scots/Welsh/N Irish players who currently play in the Premiership?
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Warden Resurrected,

In my spiderman pyjamas 29/05/2009 12:50:12
Warrdog-Reinvigorated more like!
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29/05/2009 12:54:39
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:57:45
So much for that then. Next question.

Would be against the rules if we had a team from Castle Huntly?
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 12:58:57
... just like Man U on Wednesday the Castle Huntly team could be posted missing.
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Iain Mac,

29/05/2009 13:02:48
I think heads need to roll at Huntly or with the judges who sent them there.

Certainly, i can't remember any resignations after the numerous escapes from Reliance vans.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 29/05/2009 13:02:48
#278

Interesting than a WW2 Raf vet ids considered a hero when bomber command did reign indiscrimate fire bombs on civilians quite deliberately. yet we now have the position where the armed forces fight with one arm behind their backs to avoid civilian casualties and yet the left wing lentil munchers condemn them.
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nova albion,

29/05/2009 13:03:00
258. What a stupid wee person,get over your"kimba" fe'ish and try to come to terms with the fact that not everyone who is English has big bird tendencies,and some of us are actually male.
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Warden Resurrected,

29/05/2009 13:11:27
Warrdog-I know which one I would prefer. ;-)
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joppie joppie,

Aberdeen 29/05/2009 13:20:27
It would seem Mr McAskill and Mr Salmond are very much like most other politicians. Very ecomomical with the truth. They had a chance to be unlike the rest but obviously old habits die hard whether you are Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative, Grren, BNP or SNP.
And they wonder why more and more don't vote. None of them are worthy of my vote!
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 13:23:14
"None of them are worthy of my vote!"

Do you vote? If so fine - if not, you can't complain.
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29/05/2009 13:28:23
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arc of insolvency,

29/05/2009 13:28:52
What I don't understand is Alex Salmond does a poor job yet he has about 10 wallies under numerous aliases who even though they supposedly loath this newspaper hang about here like groupies trying to defend their messiah!

There not all your aliases are they Alex? I suppose he is too busy eating his free food and staying in his free house - oh what it would be like to be perfect Alex.


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29/05/2009 13:37:37
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 13:38:02
288

If you equate the invasion of Iraq with WW2 you are as naive as your moniker suggests.
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David55,

29/05/2009 13:43:07
295, 296, 297 - Lunchtime must be over at the Labour Party office. At least these keen young activists are working hard for the cause, unlike the Labour MPs.

Lovely sunny day outside as well!
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 29/05/2009 13:45:51
#298

if you cannot seperate military conduct from Political expediency then whats the point.
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Miss H,

29/05/2009 13:50:56

232 I don’t think you really understand this.

The police decide what information to release to the public regarding operational matters, not politicians.

That has always been the case.

I have to say however I am quite entranced by the idea of Bill Aitken and Iain Gray compelling Kenny MacAskill to inform parliament every time someone absconds from prison. As Kenny pointed out that would have meant Labour ministers spent most of their time reporting absconded prisioners. Not a bad idea for Labour ministers – would have kept them out of trouble.

But why stop there? If absconding prisoners require to be reported to parliament, how about all other criminal matters? If MSPs have a right to know who the police are after for escaping from the big house surely they have a right to know who the police are going after for other offences as well?

I can see it now – all the MSPs sat around as Kenny recites what police are up to across the nation. If they sit from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. 7 days a week he might get through it all. ‘I am nearly finished colleagues, oh no hold on a minute, I have just received information that someone has had their car broken into on the High Street. Police seem fairly confident it was Shuggy from Leith and are in pursuit of him now…


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Warden Resurrected,

In my spiderman pyjamas 29/05/2009 13:53:51
Warrdog-I am on here in an attempt to save traditional Labour from the pyre self constructed by nu-Labour.
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Miss H,

29/05/2009 13:59:54
175 That's an interesting one. Yes it would seem that lots of people absconded from Castle Huntly before the SNP were elected but it was not considered a resignation issue.

For example: Roderick McDonald, a prisoner serving life for the murder of his wife. He was moved to Castle Huntly in 2005 and absconded soon afterwards after being refused parole.

McDonald lived secretly in Blackpool for two years where he carried out a violent rape on another man.

He then moved to London to avoid police attention, where he stabbed and strangled a Brazilian immigrant, Junior Pariz, in a hotel room.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-564022/Britains-wide-open-prisons-130-killers-14-000-convicts-escaped-low-security-jails.html

49 prisoners absconded from Castle Huntly in 2006. Other killers who have absconded from this prison include John Dean who killed his flatmate and buried his body in a garden and David Cochrane. The then Justice minister Cathy Jamieson refused to discuss the problem with the local press:

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2007/03/06/story9388046t0.shtm


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screwloose or loosesrcew,

29/05/2009 14:00:25
If I am honest Kenny you are doing a fairly decent job under one of the most difficult remits, one that the public don't fully understand. I would pay no creed to the political sniping that is going on because they are a bunch of headline grabbing wannabees where if the truth be told under their control prisoners will continue to walk from the open as they always have and always will, until we fence it off. But we know the politics of that is, a country with only a closed prison estate. tut tut can't have that can we got our appearances to keep up.

Robert Foy was a failure of us all connected to the system and his victim was a victim twice over firstly from the system and secondly from the retched monster himself.

Now that you have blamed the SPS what will change? We will slow down the applications to open till the dust settles and the press move back to Susan Boyle.

The press sensation "dangerous prisoner absconds" is cyclical, prisoners walk or fail to return all the time. Haven't had a jail story for a while I’ll phone SPS to find who's not returned recently.....Bingo

Guarantee’s are difficult to give.........let me give you one, another tragic victim is awaiting....politics first though!

“Tough on crime Tough on the causes”……………Tough on the victims more like
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 14:02:41
296 Arc of God knows what

What a simpleton is "The Arc" - Mr multiple moniker himself.

Arf arf arf
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The Vital Spark,

29/05/2009 14:33:30
"It is also clear that the system is currently functioning five times better than it was under the Labour-Liberal alliance."

It is strange indeed that despite the previous administrations having 5 times more escapees that I don't appear to recall any significant coverage in the Scottish press of any operational issues with Dewar,McConnell or McLeish - funny that :)

Good to see that the SNP has significantly tightened up the rules though with a significant reduction in escapes. Funnily enough I don't recall any positive coverage on that either ?
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David55,

29/05/2009 14:34:16
Blaa, blaa, blaa, Salmond this, Salmond that.

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Labour39s-Gray-in-tears-after.5316672.jp

Can you imagine Gray being First Minister? Oh dear. How did he get the gig as leader of the Scottish Labour Party? Seriously, how? Tragic.

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The Vital Spark,

29/05/2009 14:37:21
On other news not covered by the Scottish Press I see the London Olympics is becoming even more dominated by England.

"English-only 'Britain' soccer team for Olympics"

"A soccer team of only English players is set to represent Britain at the 2012 London Olympics"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article
/ALeqM5iICKVX93A2WaRwcEEo3kZVLiqt4wD98FRTP00


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Jimmy Le Pie,

29/05/2009 15:30:58
Well it looks like the Unionists have wasted another day making fools of themselves yet again!

A bit like New Labour Sleaze's resident halfwit, Comrade Gray did on Radio Scotland this morning.

I do think someone at the BBC needs to give Glen Campbell a serious seeing to. His bias and bile towards the SNP is stomach churning.


Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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Ewan Randall,

29/05/2009 15:42:11
(#307) – (Cynicus in Exile) – Is it not the case that the hawk actually gave himself in?

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 15:42:31
#51 Grahamski,

OMG a "socialist" who thinks the Secret Police are the Peoples Freind...I thought creatures like this had been extinct, since Lennin was a lad.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 15:49:25
10 If you had any sense at all you would have resigned ages ago!
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 16:00:56
#298 The Vital Spark

I hope they play all their games at Wembley

Get assistance from dodgy linesmen awarding "goals", for shots that did not cross the line.

And referee's who award "goals", when play should have been halted due to pitch invasions.

And win the bloody thing...It will be like 1966 all over again.

Do you think Winnie Ewing would have won that Bi-election...If it hadn't been for the media reaction to the '66 World Cup?

Ha Ha Ha...They think it's all over...IT IS NOW!
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Warden Resurrected,

In my spiderman pyjamas 29/05/2009 16:05:03
VVardog-It is going to be a hard task, but the traditional Labour movement was built on blood and sweat and could do with getting back to our roots. It will take time and the will of traditional Labour activists.
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Wisnaeme,

29/05/2009 16:28:56


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That fella in the photo looks awfy like yon Bliar creature.

Are ye thinking like ah'm thinking?

Aye, right so.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 16:35:03
#310 Wisnaeme,

Closing scene from The Man In the Iron Mask?

Sounds good to me...Where is the Blighter?
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Number 6,

Germany 29/05/2009 16:38:19
England should have gone for this option as soon as the other home nations declined to take part.

Personally, I would have picked a squad from the "Championship". That way, they would have got players who would have played with real passion.

I'm sure the Hockey squad has been all English in the past. The Curling squad is often made up exclusively
of Scots.

Incidentally, had not England rejected the oppertunity to play in a "British " Cup tournament with the rest of us, then maybe the Associations might have been a bit more receptive to the idea of a British side in the Oylimpics.

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Warden Resurrected,

In my spiderman pyjamas 29/05/2009 16:50:05
VVardog-Representatives of the people from the people and away with the shiny suits from out of town.
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The new waspy,

29/05/2009 16:51:30
80 comments have gone missing from this article.
I know lots of idiots post but surely even they are entitled to their say.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 17:07:22
312, The new waspy.

I was deleted earlier.

I believe it was for saying the Hamish MacDonnell had replaced David Maddox, on this particular saga, as NuLabour's mouthpiece.
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Glasgow 29/05/2009 17:09:56
The Prison Officers Association has backed Mr Macaskill. The union's vice chairman Phil Fairlie criticised the ''manufactured outrage from opposition parties'' saying they had taken ''no steps whatsoever'' to tackle absconding from the open estate when they were in power. ''In our dealings with the Justice Secretary he has always shown a great understanding of the issues facing us within the prison service''......''this union is deeply concerned that some of the comments made this week simply undermine ......''

There we have it. Not only are Iain Gray and the Tories seeking to undermine and undemocratically force out the Justice Minister, with the Scotsmans' help, they are also undermining the staff of the Scottish Prison Service too. It's pathetic really.

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The Vital Spark,

29/05/2009 17:27:06
314 Observer,,Glasgow

"The Prison Officers Association has backed Mr Macaskill. The union's vice chairman Phil Fairlie criticised the ''manufactured outrage from opposition parties'' saying they had taken ''no steps whatsoever'' to tackle absconding from the open estate when they were in power."

Very interesting indeed, and even more so that The Herald managed to report on this, but the best the Scotsman could do is just trot out another Labour press release.

http://theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2511297.0.SNP_jail_row_defiant_MacAskill_refuses_to_quit.php

You would think by now that The Scotsman
might be able to recognize some correlation between their craven Labour bias and their massively declining circulation and their first loss ever this year.

I think that Johnston Press needs to a clinical financial assessment to determine which of the several
senior Journalists should be in the mass firing they
have lined up. Doing this
analysis I think they will find that the Labour Press release rubber stamping and generally poor journalism from Hammish and Maddox have a significantly negative impact on their revenue and they should be the top choices to go. Perhaps they could even have a readers have a online poll to let us choose :) Now that might be an idea to up their circulation.

No doubt my free speech will be curtailed and this will be censored, but this is just another reason why
The Scotsman is now a financial liability in addition
to being a free press liability.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 17:28:45
These comments, taken from an interview in today's "Herald", may be instructive to the Unionists on this thread.
It would appear that the Justice Minister is doing a good job despite the "manufactured outrage from the Opposition Parties".

The union's vice chairman, Phil Fairlie, criticised the "manufactured outrage from opposition parties", saying they had taken "no steps whatsoever" to tackle absconding from the open estate when they were in power, despite higher numbers of this.

"In our dealings with the Justice Secretary, he has always shown a great understanding of the issues facing us within the prison service, and has been extremely supportive of the staff within it.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 17:30:30
#314, Obs.

See you got here before me;-)
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 17:36:38
#319, THE SCOTSMAN....................

I think you should be less circumspect.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 17:38:21
Observer & Frank

Good posts.

I wonder if the Scotsman will have a follow-up tomorrow mentioning the backing of the POA........
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 17:39:04
I fear for 320!
I fear too for the moniker.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 17:40:06
THE SCOTSMAN.................didn't last long, did he?

Did he annoy someone? Can't see why as he was only making a point about free speech......or the lack of it.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 17:41:32
#322, Meths.

Will Brown call a GE tomorrow????????????
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 17:42:11
Come on peeps - you don't have to resort to attacks!

Question certainly the modus operandi of the newspaper, but with a bit of dignity. It's plain for all to see that this broadsheet has pinned its colours to the mast of the unionist ship.

I rather fear that like the ship - the paper will go down with it. I will not weep.
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 17:44:03
289 All politicians etc

Nice bit of deflection there. Do you agree with Grahamski's original statement.

320 Behave yourself.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 17:44:41
frank

One can only hope. I liked this in the Guardian:-

"Gordon Brown is facing an escalating ­crisis of confidence inside the parliamentary Labour party as record numbers of his MPs apply to sit in the House of Lords after the next general election."

The current gravy train has been cancelled, but there'll be another along in a minute.
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TWC,

exLabour 29/05/2009 17:48:08
266 Mèths,I heard Elmer Fudd when some guy asked him why he didn't take on the MacAskill vote and he turned into a Jelly Fish similar to his response when questioned about a referendum.
He knows that anyone who talks about referendum get a Labour Central contract taken out on them.
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Number 6,

Germany 29/05/2009 17:51:29
I think you will find it's "Witch Finder" EWAN who is doing the deleting. See how long this lasts.
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Lausanne Jellies,

29/05/2009 18:11:50
“The People’s Posts are turning red,
Our Freedom’s words, our martyred dead,
And with these fingers stiff all told,
We have our minds and won’t be sold”
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screwloose or loosesrcew,

29/05/2009 18:24:41
Ask the prison officers who work with them who to make suitable for open conditions not some bloody stupid computer programme.

Most Murderers are not necessarily the most dangerous to the public! It is the habitual criminal with no respect for property or person, but "murderer" is sexy ...it sells and that is what is spoon fed to us by the bucket and that is what the politicians respond to because it sounds good.

This whole business is false and inflated.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 18:40:30
#329 cu ceallach

I remember him as the most obnoxious blob of Unionist detritus ever to ooze from Keir Hardie House.

"Labour’s great strength and opportunity lies in the fact that its values and objectives retain widespread support among the Scottish electorate whatever their current disenchantment"

That sounds exactly like him...Total disregard of the fact that these "values and objectives" were jettisoned by the London Leadership, for the simple reason - They do not cut the mustard as far as the Floating Voters of Merrie Olde Middle England are concerned.

This Mountebank would wish upon us - One thousand years of London Rule, alternating between the Nazi's and the Khmer Rouge...As his preferred alternative to a self-governing Scotland, with these self same "values and objectives" enshrined in the constitution.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 18:47:21
#332, The Col....................

This is the same Brian Wilson, erstwhile member of the SNP, who didn't have the moral strength to stay and fight to make the SNP what it is today.

A spineless creature who now earns a great deal from his association with the nuclear industry.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 18:49:03
The Col..........

Still working on the Tait thinggy. Are you certain that this "company" exists?
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 29/05/2009 18:51:24
Anyone surprised at Salmond and MacAskill? Their arrogance is overwhelming.
One simple question for Alex - in his defence yesterday at 1st Mins Q time he claimed that the snp were responsible for reducing the number of abscondees but deied any responsibility for new abscondees!!
Sorry Alex can't have it both ways - if you allege that the snp can control the overall reduction then they must also be responsible when things go wrong??
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 19:05:56
#337, Rumpus.

I'm sure you have the inside story on this.

Maybe you could print the full story under one of your Scotsman by-lines.
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Mèths,

29/05/2009 19:07:31
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Ha ha ha.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 19:10:18
#337 DD Critter etc

Any clue about the belated "change of status" and subsequent disappearance.

Alien Abduction?

Bermuda triangle?

Hopping to duck under the Radar?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 19:15:50
Note the "staff" all took July and August off.

Hmm...who else does that?

Teachers...Nah!

Trough Swilling Communicators....?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 19:21:03
Bumper payment in September though...Fees Office open again for backdated claims?
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brownlie,

29/05/2009 20:04:51
339 Doctor Death

You are obviously a fake. Even Rufus would not post anything as silly as that.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 20:22:51
Tait Communications
status: Unincorporated Association
364 Tweedsmuir Road
Glasgow

Spent the last half hour trying to track those fellows down.

364 Tweedsmuir Road is real enough...Looks like a house and has a white van parked outside.

Tait Communications, however leave behind a rather small footprint...No mention of them outside the Electoral Commission page and this very thread.

Rather odd for an outfit wealthy enough to donate
£131,112.04 to the Jock branch of a Political Party.

Also at that address - IT Campaigns, a PR company with an even lower internet profile.
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PointOf View,

Bonnie Scotland 29/05/2009 21:16:56
5 JaF
Unbelievable! If a vote of no confidence were required it certainly shouldn’t lie within the Scottish parliament but the Westminster corruption and deceit parties south of the border. As per usual this utter rag leading on a anti Scottish Unionist storey yet again. So, here is something we should all really be thinking about.

THE BROWN BLAIR
In the last 12 years, the UK pension system has been transformed from the envy of the world into a phantasmagorical horror show, with a dubious plot by questionable villains.

Led by blood-sucker-in-chief Gordon Brown, whose 1997 pension’s stealth tax has so far leeched up to £100 billion out of the nation's retirement funds. Brown has been supported by a gang of commission-hungry pensions salesmen and their senior managers, who have cannibalised their customer base with a trilogy of pension mis-selling scandals. Then came the bankers and their toxic debts.

Anybody retiring now is 27% worse off than they would have been one year ago, due to stock market volatility and the impact of the Bank of England's quantitive easing policy on annuity rates.

Throw in the slaughter of the final salary scheme, a tax and benefits system that punishes low earners for saving for retirement, and the demographic time bomb, and there is only one way to respond: Aaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!! Brown, dead man walking!!

Multi millionaire Cameron and his 30 odd millionaire colleagues,, Hmmm don’t quite think they really care about the working class, do you? Incidentally Cameron mostly inherited his 30 million fortunes, has he ever really worked or struggled to make ends meet, don’t think so do you, a Tory to the end. Never mind though even the politicians who are made to stand down ect will leave with their golden plated pensions in tact, just like Michael Martin (soon to be Lord)

So what now? INDEPENDENCE of course.


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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 21:27:31
Has Wardog been red-penned again ? This is damned ridiculous. The Scotsman allows vile racist, sexist, Islamophobic, and sectarian comment and abuse to remain on it's website forever and a day. And yet it deletes posters like Wardog, Traquir, and others for posting ''uncomfortable truths'' which is NOT against it's terms of use - unlike the objectionable material I mentioned above which it seems to wallow in.

This rag is as much as broadsheet newspaper as I am the Queen of Sheba. I wouldn't even buy it to use in the cludgie.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 21:29:01
The Labour and Tory parties 'In Branch'(Scotland) are doing their pathetic best to distract the attention of the Scots Electorate away from the Westminster expenses scandal.

Today, the London parties were shocked to learn from the deputy-editor of the Daily Telegraph that it still has SEVERAL weeks more of drip, drip, drip revelations about MPs expenses for publication!

The question many must be asking is: Why do ALL these cheating politicians not take legal action against the Daily Telegraph IF they have done nothing wrong?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 21:37:01
351 the information that the Torygraph has was obtained illegally. No action will be taken regarding that as it has been deemed to be ''in the public interest''. That is cool BUT - if it is in the public interest to know then we should get to know All of it - now.

Allowing the Torygraph to drip feed selective information for partisan political purposes and the profit motive, when it was obtained illegally on the back of genuine and UNREWARDED campaign work by people like Heather Brooke is ridiculous and should not be tolerated.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/05/2009 22:43:39
#334
We must be on to something Frank...Loads of red ink!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 23:13:13
354 Good evening to you Traquir in the latest of your many guises. Deleted for pointing out uncomfortable truths - not for being a racist, sexist, homophobic, (we've seen plenty of that recently) Islamophobic, sectarian and generally vile poster, but for noticing that the only occasion that the Scotsman have apologised for telling SHEER LIES was about a maths question. Like D'oh. We are supposed to be fobbed off with that and not notice all the other lies ? Aye, right.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 23:35:24
I am not in fact remotely sirprised that both Traquir and Wardog are deleted as fast as they can post.

You see, they always EVIDENCE everything - you know prove that it's true..........

Pesky that.

Is a newspaper allowed only to print lies ? Well I think that needs exploring.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 23:42:53
358 Hi Traquir - newspapers are actually subject to regulation and I am an Observer. What the Scotsman publishes as it's policy is not what it actually does. As an Observer I find that interesting and intend to explore it. It's lying through it's teeth and it needs to be challenged. We all need to do this stuff. Challenge. Not that I need to tell you !
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alanh,

ek 30/05/2009 00:30:52
"Yes, there were operational reasons why Mr Salmond should not have told parliament, but he could easily have discussed the issue with the police and made sure it was in the open before he stood up."

I know the opposition is full of incompetents but why is this propaganda sheet suggesting that the govt should go to the police make the police publicize it before they had planned to just to make it easier for the opposition?
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aussiemo,

melbourne 30/05/2009 04:08:07
iOK THE GYE GOT AWAY, HERE THIS , I KNOW A WOMAN,IN HER 50 WHO GOT 4 MONTH,S NOT FOR DRIVING BUT FOR REFUSING A BREATH TEST, DUE TO THE LIES THE ARRESTING COP,S PUT IN THERE STATEMENT, SHE SUFFERED MENTAL AND PHISICAL ABUSE FROM THESE SO CALLED OFFICER,S ,ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WITNESSED THIS WAS ONE OF THE NURSES LOOKING AFTER HER, AND SHE PUT HER OWN JOB ON THE LINE ,AND PROMISED HER THAT ON HER RELEASE SHE WOULD SEND A STATEMENT TO THE FACT , THIS WAS THIS WOMAN,S FIRST TIME IN PRISON , SHE WENT FROM 62 KELO,S TO 45 ON HER RELEASE HER FOOD WAS BEING TAMPERED WITH , SHE HAS ALL THE PROOF TO HAVE THESE OFFICER,S DEALT WITH YET KNOW ONE WANT,S TO KNOW , THIS HAPPEND 3 YEAR,S AGO , AND SHE NEED,S CLOSURE SO IF YOU KNOW EANYONE WHO CAN HELP HER GET THIS CLOSURE GET IN TOUCH . SHE DID GET THE STATEMENT FROM THIS NURSE, PLUS SHE HAS KEPT EVERYTHING FROM GOVNER,S LETTER,S TO MP LETTER,S OTHER PRISONER STATEMENT,S OLSO SHE WAS HELD IN A MAXIMIM SECURITY PRISON ALONG SIDE MURDERER,S ETC SHE EVEN SHARED A CELL WITH ONE , NOW COME ON IS THAT JUSTICE ITS TIME SOMETHING WAS DONE TO MONITOR THESE BAD APPLES, WHO ARE SAPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THESE PEOPLE YES THAY ARE STILL PEOPLE SO THINK ABOUT WHAT REALY GOES ON IN THESE PLACES YES I AGREE SOME NEED TO BE LOCKED AWAY, BUT SOME NEED NOT .
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 30/05/2009 08:00:01
As an educated Scot I am disgusted with the Labour and Tory reactions. If they do not know that the police have complete control over the exact time when information about such cases is to be released, then the Tory and Labour leaders are definitely mentally retarded, and should be institutionalised forthwith. There are excellent reasons why such information may be kept quiet for a wee while, in order to heighten the chances of the escapee being caught. I now firmly believe that the Labour and Tory parties are 100% incompetent in police matters, and should neve be given the chance to rule this country. However, what the hell was a murderer doing in an open prison? Whose idea was an open prison for such dangerous criminals?!
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aussiemo,

melbourne 30/05/2009 09:33:50
yes why put killer,s in an open prison ? the woman i spoke of above , she was sent there , she came back after 2 week,s there were more killer,s there with the ability to just walk out ,and some did ,then you have first offender,s for minor offences locked up with all the nasty,s , most of the officer,s should be locked up, along with 60 persent of the cop,s who help put them there becouse thay are just as bad if not worse its a true saying give a uniform to someone, and it goes to there head , most of these so called officer,s in the prison are just throw back,s and love to be in control the wourld is so bad with corruption on all leval,s i have a word for these b------s thats what thay realy are .
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 30/05/2009 19:04:02
Mr Salmond perhaps is like a teflon covered non-stick pan. However after a few more fry ups like this one the non-stick will eventually peel off and then all will be revealed, warts and all.
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Rab haw,

05/06/2009 21:57:50
Anyone who had the oppurtunity to watch this debate would have come away with the realisation of how good a job Kenny is doing and how pathetic are the attacks of sneeering Gray and the unionist press who deliberatel;y LIE about the facts and debates in Holyrood . Perhaps THEY should realise that the PUBLIC eye will now turn to them for the lies and spin THEY have long been responsible for......

 

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