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Butcher says he will never forgive Maradona



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Published Date: 18 November 2008
TERRY Butcher's simmering refusal to forgive Diego Maradona's fraudulence at the World Cup in Mexico in 1986 ensures that, when the two men meet at Hampden Park tomorrow night, the infamous Hand of God will not be allowed to wrap itself around the fists of rage in a gesture of friendship and reconciliation.
Scotland's assistant manager, characteristically, raised a few laughs yesterday with his deliberations on the newly-appointed Argentina manager, but his resentment more than 22 years after Maradona punched the ball past goalkeeper Peter Shilton to begin England's elimination from the tournament remains as deep as it was on the day the most notorious deception in the history of the game was perpetrated.

"I'll never forgive him," said Butcher, "because it's not nice to lose in those circumstances. It's not that not a day has passed without me thinking about that moment. I'm not that sad. I mean, I don't have a Maradona doll with pins in it, although, come to think of it, that could be a good idea. I might get one.

"I did actually face him again not long afterwards, when I played for the Rest of World team in Pasadena and Maradona played for the Americas. I think we were two up and they made it 2-2 and they won on penalties, so he haunted me even after the World Cup. I've not seen his face yet, only the back of his head. If you put a silhouette up in front of me of the back of his head, I would probably recognise him more than anybody else in the world.

"I wouldn't particularly want to speak to him about the incident. We'll have adjacent technical areas at Hampden and that's about it. Will I shake his hand after the game? It's not something I'd think about. Sometimes I do that with the other coach, sometimes I don't. Mostly I do when it's somebody I know because I've played against him, but in Maradona's case, it's a bit different.

"Nowadays, Maradona might get a two-match ban from Fifa for conning the referee, but whatever he might get wouldn't matter, because the deed would have been done. But I think I'd pay a few thousand pounds to be in that drugs testing room again if he was going to be in there.

"He came into the drugs room celebrating and he was the last person I wanted to see. Also, remember, he scored a wonderful second goal – probably the best I've ever seen – and he beat me twice when doing that so I'm sitting there more shocked than anyone else. Not speaking Spanish, I gestured to him to ask, 'Head or hand?" and he touched his head to suggest he had done nothing wrong.

"It was a very small room and with three Englishmen beside him – Gary Stevens and Kenny Sansom were in with me – maybe he thought he'd take the safe option, which he did. That irritated me even more. If he'd come in and said he's used his hand and apologised, I'd probably have hit him just four or five times instead of the usual twenty. What really irks is his behaviour for so long afterwards, when he didn't admit it.

"But, really, I blame Stevie Hodge, my team-mate, because if he boots the ball down the pitch instead of trying to play it back to the goalkeeper, we'd have been all right. I thought he had sliced it while trying to clear, but he had actually tried to flick it back to Shilts. I saw Stevie recently, but I had to be pulled away from him, because I had my hands round his throat."

Butcher, in common with the majority of observers, was initially surprised by Maradona's appointment, given his history of drug and alcohol abuse and his two short-lived previous attempts at coaching. He now sees a certain sense in it, especially as he is supported by Carlos Bilardo, who led the Maradona-inspired Argentina to that World Cup triumph in Mexico.

"My first reaction to the Maradona appointment was surprise, but you can see the logic in it," he said. "Argentina are only fourth in their qualifying group, they haven't been playing particularly well and possibly needed somebody to unite the whole country. Which is what Maradona will do.

"It's like having a Denis Law or a Kenny Dalglish in charge of Scotland. The best player ever is put in charge of your country and you're selected by that person. What a huge honour that will feel. Maradona picks you and you think, 'Wow, I've been picked by him.' I think that lifts everybody.

"It won't be about tactics with Maradona. It's the personality, the man. The other things will be left to Bilardo and the backroom staff. You can sense it working against us on Wednesday, because every Argentine player will be saying, 'I'm going to prove to you that I deserve to be part of the future under you'."

For all his lingering anger over the events of two decades ago, Butcher realises he will not have many allies in the matter of bad-mouthing Maradona, not even in his own dressing-room. He knew that within a few weeks of the incident, when he arrived in Scotland to sign for Rangers, and it was reinforced two nights ago, when he addressed the Scotland squad.

"I know there'll be thousands at Hampden who regard Maradona as a hero," he said. "When I came to Scotland, I saw more Argentina shirts than I'd seen in Mexico. I was telling the Scotland players last night I didn't have a particularly strong liking for Argentina when Faddy piped up and said, 'Well, we actually like Maradona'."

His parting comment on his old tormentor could be construed as another pin in the Maradona doll he is considering. Asked if the Argentine was the greatest player he ever saw, he replied: "No. He was the best I ever played against, but Pele is the best I've ever seen. Not just because of Maradona's later life, but because the way Pele played, the goals he scored in World Cups, makes him stand out more than Maradona. Two wonderful players, but Pele first and Maradona second."

The full article contains 1053 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 November 2008 4:59 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Ayegudyin,

18/11/2008 00:21:38
there were more argentina shirts in scotland cos of the humiliation they caused england terry.

enough about that though, you are in the scotland outfit now, we couldnt care less if you can't forgive him. he's a hero to me and a lot of people all over the world.
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Just an opinion,

USA 18/11/2008 03:44:44
It is always funny how we Scots range against the English for atrocities against us carried out two hundred plus years ago yet buy German and Japanese cars plus TV's, etc. from the Nippons.
If it had been someone 'handing' a defeat to Scotland at the same stage of the World Cup by the same means, their team shirts would have been burned along with their flag - and quite right too.
Never quite understood this paranoia we have against the English after fighting alongside them in two world wars.
I had a great load of mates from down South when I did National Service.
Having said that, there are still a load of supercilious dipsticks around here who waffle on about us 'Tartan Tossers' to make me gloat everytime they get beat at whatever sport they think they should be world champs.
But Maradonna and his hand of God? Sorry, the b.....d cheated, and I don't care who he did it to, he is a pr,,k and more - nobody reading this would be cheering on the guy who shot down their team last Saturday by the same means, but I am probably in a tiny minority with this view, it is just an opinion.
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Geoff,

sa 18/11/2008 05:21:23
2 Just an opinion-well said!. It matters not which teams were involved-it was an act of blatant cheating which changed the course of that World Cup. What amazes me is how anyone could derive satisfaction from progressing as a result of such an incident. It reveals a strange and sad mentality in Maradona and the Argentinian camp. Also strengthens the case for a third Ref with powers to overule the on field ref after viewing a replay. made a mockery of the whole contest
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huggs,

18/11/2008 05:59:48
Never mind the hand of God

What about his other goal from the halfway line Peter reid looked like he was running in the shallow end
I still remember cheering him the man was pure class and i loved it when he stuck it right up them
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Harlem Tam,

18/11/2008 06:09:23
I can't believe there are people still harping on about an incident that happened 22 years ago, but then again, recently people have been complaining about Celtic getting a throw-in in the cup final 19 years ago, so why should I be surprised?
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Another Saturday Night,

18/11/2008 06:25:59
It wasn't a throw in.
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Keyboard supporter,

18/11/2008 06:46:40
#5 - Amusing to see another born again anti revisionist dhim who when anything previously went against them drew reference to instances eons ago as "evidence" of the big bad nefarious anti Sellik conspiracy.


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StockportJambo,

18/11/2008 06:53:05
Argentina won 2-1 that day didn't they?

If the 'Hand of God' goal had been disallowed, they would have had extra time and then penalties.

England would have lost them anyway. They always do.

Case closed. Quit yer greetin'. :)
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 18/11/2008 07:44:01
Cant believe someone would be so petulant not to shake the hand of an opposition coach because of something that happened over twenty years ago. Besides Shilton, who is twice the size of Maradona, should have cleared the ball instead of just wafting at it.
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Phil MaGlass,

Holland 18/11/2008 07:45:15
The way he waltzed through half the england team to score one of the finest goals you will ever see seems to slip the minds of some,aye he cheated by scoring with his hand,but is it any worse than a player diving for a penalty,it was england FFS and thats the only reason it was harped on and on and on about.I remember a certain England player pulling the hair of a defender so he could score a goal not so long ago,dont hear them bleeting on about that
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IRN,

West Lothian 18/11/2008 08:16:59
The worst thing about the 'hand of God' incident is that it has given Englishmen like Terry Butcher an easy excuse of how 'we was robbed' for over twenty years. Argentina had an excellent side lead by Maradona, who in that tournament proved himself to be the greatest football player so far in the history of the game. They were a class above a very good England side. The 'hand of God' obscures this fact; Maradona's amazing mazy run through half of the England team (Butcher included), does not.

England scored seven goals and conceded three in world Cup 86; Argentina went throught the tournament undefeated, scoring fourteen goals and conceding five. England also lost to Portugal who finished bottom of their qualifying group. These facts are forgotton. For some reason Maradona's foul play continues to fuel a myth that England would have won the tournament were it not for 'that' goal.

#2, Scotland in fact, did have cause for complaint in that same tournament, since the Uruguyans kicked our players all over the pitch in our final group match. Perhaps with fairer play we might have qualified? A 2:0 win would have saw Scotland pip West Germany to qualify for the second round in 2nd place. However it was the Germans who qualified in 2nd spot (three qualified from our group) and went on to reach the final. If's, but's, and maybe's. But the simple fact is that Argentina were worthy winners of the 86 tournament and Maradona was the tournaments best player by a country mile.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 08:24:54
What a lot of two faced Scots we have in this country Miko did the same for his country and was rightlly slagged and still can not walk onto the park in Scotland without a booking for standing on the grass.They both cheated just as the Sottish team members would do if they got a chance.
A cheats a cheat but it depends on who you play for and what the long term reaction is.So what it was England its time for some Scots to grow up and loose the inferior attitude and just try and enjoy our own succsess when/if it comes along.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 08:50:28
I too have many friends who are English and a nicer bunch of people you could not wish to meet.

That said,after the BBC/ITV lead ins to ANY World Cup Competition that spouts out the old "England expects"/"Agincourt/Dunkirk" analogies against the slo mo background of 1966...I go postal.

On another tack,seeing Lineker,Hanson and especially Ian Wright sitting there looking like they'd lost a tenner but found a penny is funny.Whats not to like?
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Alan Bruce,

Aberdeen 18/11/2008 08:51:22
Still remember a distraught tartan army follower being interviewed after the Uruguay game. He said " I hope they beat Argentina in the next round so they can play England. Then I hope England beat them". With tears in his eyes he added "THATS HOW MUCH I HATE URUGUAY". Hilarious and cheered me up a wee bit.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 18/11/2008 08:58:04
Countless footballers handle the ball, dive and feign injury every week in every league. Remember Owen diving for a penalty in 2002 against Argentina?

Only Maradona is vilified by the English press and fans, described as a cheat. Why? Because Shilton closed his eyes and forgot to jump and the referee missed the incident. Hardly a good enough reason for their vindictiveness.

They forget that England disgracefully tried to kick and hack Maradona off the pitch in 1986.

To anyone who watched that game Argentina and Maradona were simply magnificent. They should have been 5-0 up by halftime.

For a still bitter Terry Butcher to say that he will never 'forgive' Maradona and to claim England were cheated out of the World Cup is absurd and offensive to all honest men. Butcher has shown himself to be unfit to wear a Scottish SFA badge and should be sacked. He is a cynical liar who has no respect for one of Scotland's national heros.

A few minutes in Youtube will confirm that Maradona was the greatest footballer that ever lived by a long, long way. To people who know anything about football this will not be argued.

To every true Scotsman, he is a GOD.
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Waitin´and hopin,

18/11/2008 09:13:35
Really , who cares what Butcher thinks. He´s only Scotland coach cos he´s Burleys kids god father! he should kep his mouth shut as it has nothing to do with Scotland and onlty remonds us of Maradonas 2nd goal when Butcher was left sprewled on thge deck. Caldwell should keep quiet too, hes in other papers going on about cheats and dirty tricks as told to him by......Butcher!!
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Waitin´and hopin,

18/11/2008 09:15:17
# 13 ...........or 41 years ago in Lisbon !
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dundee8cologne1,

Broxburn 18/11/2008 09:24:52
well apparently the Scottish media 'cares' enough about Butcher to go on and on and on and.....tedious.
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Alexei Verdy,

The Press Box 18/11/2008 09:26:44
Terry Butcher. What a shining example of forgiveness ! Sorry to hear Diego's 'goal' still upsets him so much. I suppose every day can't be a Helicopter Sunday, eh Tel ?
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muffin,

livingston 18/11/2008 09:30:03
#16 What a lot of p1sh. One of Scotlands' national heroes?? A GOD?? Don't make me laugh.
Bottom line - Drugs cheat!!
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dundee8cologne1,

Broxburn 18/11/2008 09:41:25
#23 - Butcher answered a question given to him - its our wee, pokey, third-rate football world that cant let go of the 'glory' of a hand ball goal scored against England by an Argentinian.

#16 - a God to Scotsmen because of a goal against England that has done zero for us? is that all we have? is that all we have got as a 'football nation'? pathetic.
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donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 18/11/2008 09:47:54
Maradonna pretends to be a lefty and supports a right wing regime in Argentina.

Yes he did cheat against the world's cheaters, Engerland, who deserved to be taken down a peg. For that, the Scttish fans adore him.

Terry was a Thatcherite at the time and a player for Scotland's most loyalist and bigoted team, next to the loyalist Celtic Board. But Terry has gone native now and could hardly be more pro Scottish. Time to bury the hatchet and sort out our own sectarian Pld Firm PLC.
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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:06:19
For days now every article, sports broadcast and news item has centred on another meaningless friendly with Argentina, fronted by a junkie. Only the Scots can find it in the national collective to pander to a drugs cheat, a handball cheat and someone who wouldn't know Scotland from Denmark.

Reality is there will be less than 35k at Hampden for this side show, and that tells us all we need to know about Maradona's appeal.

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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 18/11/2008 10:06:49
#25

Listen, Maradona is a footballing God to Scottish fans because he was a genius. No man has come close to his awesome skills. It has nothing to do with beating England. Maradona is revered by football fans around the world.

What does anger me is that Maradona is vilified for one incident by the English media, noone else. England tried to hack him off the pitch that day and Butcher should get over it. He is making an idiot of himself and is an embarrassment to Scotland. At least Lineker has the grace to say it was the greatest privilege in his life to be on the same pitch as Maradona that day.


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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 18/11/2008 10:15:27
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England were not knocked out by that goal. They were played off the pitch. Another myth that somehow they would otherwise have won.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:16:00
To be fair to a man who's brain is scrambled after listening to Iron Maiden,voting Tory and being a yes man for John Boyle,he has a right to feel aggrieved.

I still remember with disgust the Scotland V Uraguay match in the same comp...Batista scything through Gordon Strachan.

I believe there are a number of Jose Batista loyal buses running to this day....
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G,

dndy 18/11/2008 10:20:49
Terry, Terry...I wonder if Maradona has forgiven you for attempting to boot him into the stand everytime he went past you...mind you you only connected a few times.....the hand of GOd gave England an excuse if they hadn't have scored that one they would scored another....
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:22:03
James...A more lucid response please...I dont know whetther you say that Simple Minds are Hoops supporters or Hoops supporters are Simple Minds...Dont give the oppo the ammo!
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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:24:21
#34

Imagine for one minute, Scotland were in a World Cup Semi-Final.

Not even when we had a half decent side in the 60's and 70's. I have a fertile imagination but this is the stuff of poor 1980's pop songs.

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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:24:25
Terry booting the door was almost as funny as bomber Brown booting Tommy Coyne IN THE GOAL after Tommy had scored the only goal of the game....LOL
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dundee8cologne1,

Broxburn 18/11/2008 10:27:39
#32 - I'm well aware how great a player he was, I was at Hampden on the day when he scored his first ever goal for Argentina. England do go and on about it and '66 but then we never keep our mouths shut about Wembley '67 - a relatively meaningless Home International that lead to no trophies or indeed a match in Mexico between two countries neither of which was us but since we have zip to boast about these days all we have left is to go on and on and on.....then vilify the guy we keep firing questions at about the bloody thing.

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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:29:28
The most worrying thing about Terry's involvement with Scotland is that he seems unable to instill the qualities that made him a great defender into "Hied it and Hoof it".

Perhaps his coaching skills are not up to scratch. More likely he realises that it is impossible to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:31:20
#46

How's the research and the book coming along? Got anything we can proof read for you yet?


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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:33:02
James..No big fan of Kerr and the band (After "Empires and Dance" at any rate) but loved it when Kerr was asked about Mike Tyson (In what context,I cant say) and called Tyson a "f anny merchant" Brave words indeed..!
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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:38:26
He couldnae have been much cop at it though. Ally the sSwordmiester nipped his bird IIRC.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:40:46
...Breaking News...Glasgow Rangers today cancelled a series of concerts at its stadium in the south side of Glasgow.

There was no warning but sources at the club pointed out that there was an unfortunate misunderstanding by the booking staff at the stadium and the bands promoter.

The band were said to be upset but would reschedule their Glasgow gigs at a later date...

The bands new video can be seen at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x2YvQ_usj0

Harvey Goldsmith is 86
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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:41:31
#50

We thought you were struggling. Fiction isn't easy I grant you, but here's a few pointers pertinent to your age group.

Stick within the lines when coulouring in and take your time. Listen in class and remember a story has a beginning , middle and an end.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:44:32
DH widnae be hard fur a burd thats had mair c ocks than Bernard Matthews...
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darkhorse.,

18/11/2008 10:47:11
Maradonna went to Parkhead . As someone who has seen the depths of poverty in South America I imagine Glasgow's east end was just like home...without the weather.

Officials were slightly non plussed when he asked if Bobby had any gear on him!
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InTheBackPocket,

18/11/2008 10:49:19
Always been confused why they (the English) are so determined to blame Maradona; he was more than a yard offside as he ran thru to collect the ball so why dont they blame the linesman/referee??
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:51:09
65..Legend has it that the ref had a serious case of the "Duke of Argylls" that day and couldnt run as fast as normal...His loss is our gain,I suppose ;@)
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 10:58:02
Moonbeams..A great game,I was in the Celtic end that day and thought had it been scored at the other end it would have been a contender for goal of the season...!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 11:01:06
TRS..Peter Grant tried to take credit for that one and should have been allowed his moment in the sun...Unfortunately the three sent of were all over the "Sun" the next day...
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 18/11/2008 11:02:58
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The ball was played through by an English player. No offside.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 11:03:47
Wasnt there a trick question in the eighties.."Who scored more goals for Celtic against Rangers in derbies?"...Step forward, Tel...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 18/11/2008 11:04:19
GTG..Later all!
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Jockyw,

18/11/2008 11:16:44
How can Terry Butcher be the Scotland's assistant football manager?

I saw him 2-3 years ago at Cosco and he could hardly walk. You would think that he would be required to walk/run around the park with the players - at least be mobile?

I'm sure the job spec stated fully fit - Drug & alcohol abuse and a mobility problem?

A strange medical?
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Malc.F,

france 18/11/2008 11:23:22
It's a well known thing that Maradona is the only footballer ever who cheated.
It is a sad state of affairs that the Dons player who stayed on his feet when he would have had a certain penalty if he had gone down, was complimented by numpty Patterson for his sportsmanship and in the same breath accused of letting his team-mates down.
While I am at it I have a spare carpet for the SFA if they need it to sweep under Walter Smiths rascist comments.There can't be much room after VillaReal and Manchester. If he and Graham Roberts are right that ALL the officials in Scotland support either Rangers or Celtic depending on their religion and give their decisions accordingly then Celtic are at a major disadvantage with the Catholic population in Scotland being less than 10%. It is ,of course,nonsense.
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Daillyman,

18/11/2008 12:05:42
I'm sure Maradona stays awake at night due to TB lack of forgiveness.

Time to move on Butcher....
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Daillyman,

18/11/2008 12:17:29
Good to see Scotland with their classy captain back in the team to face Argentina.
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Bemused and above it all,

18/11/2008 12:18:42
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ROS
Yes, underachievement, 51 league titles, 2 world records, in the past 20 years winners of the league 13 times, first scottish team in the champions league, 1st scotish team in the champions league group stages, 1st scottish team to go from group stages of BOTH UEFA & Champions league, I feel completely underwhelmed!
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france 18/11/2008 12:18:49
nineinro. You're spot on. I've never thought of it that way before. My second name has an "r" in it and my first has a "C" like wise so that's me a Catholic then.
Given that you don't deny the fact that the Catholic population of Scotland is a fraction of the Protestant one that leads to the conclusion that wee Catholic boys are being trained for refhood instead of the priesthood so that the proddies never win. Get a life.
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Bemused and above it all,

18/11/2008 12:20:12
Maybe we should tsart a campaign of intimidating refs, smashing their windows, posting death threats & home addresses etc, maybe, just maybe, the tables will turn once more?
Alternatively, accept this is our lean spell, and we are doing not too badly during it.
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Daillyman,

18/11/2008 12:20:42
Barry Ferguson Scotlands captain will add that touch of class and skill to a midfield that has sorely missed him.
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Daillyman,

18/11/2008 12:23:38
100 TRS

That's not even a debatable question. and you know it.lol
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Bemused and above it all,

18/11/2008 12:25:11
Favourite headed goal?
Ronnie De Boer in the league cup final against celtic, they had just scored, the fans jumping around as the ball was crossed in, there was ronnie jumping with Balde, seemed to be going over both of them then somehow he got an inspector gadget neck and stretched just enough to loop it into the top corner!
I still love watching it, partly for the goal, partly for the utter despair when the celtic fans turn round and see it go in!
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Bemused and above it all,

18/11/2008 12:27:54
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Grant or Ferguson?
Based upon international appearances, club appearances & the opinions of players who have played alongside them, including world cup winners & true world class players? Got to be Fergie.
As a rangers fan, Fergie again.
As a football fan, Fergie again.
Grant had qualities which every club needs in a midfielder but again he was a second to McCall who fufilled that role for the gers around that time.
Grant was probably on par with stuart munro
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18/11/2008 12:28:43
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I suppose i just went on your past form....
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18/11/2008 12:31:10
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Must give you tht point, Grant player like a "pointer", the dog.

BF is a footballer.
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18/11/2008 12:35:59
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When the brother in law of the 'legend' which left the celtic family so bereft, they could not consider playing football (until the injuries cleared up a bit), gives dodgy decisions in their favour it is just the way it goes, you win some, you lose some.
When a baptist minister does the same however it is clear bias & bigorty, by order of the lodge, the queen & the SFA! I think i've finally cracked it!
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18/11/2008 12:37:09
#112

was that interview conducted via a ouija board?
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18/11/2008 12:38:40
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"The Wattie syndrome"

Don't think so, I think it's called paranoia, and after all these years we do seem to have learned that from some the tic supporters who frequent these threads...
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And what do you call when a referee is a minister?

Any way have a good day.
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Adso,

18/11/2008 13:08:55
Strange for Butcher to call another player a cheat. Butcher's special was thumping strikers as I recall. Countless times in his career Butcher booted an opponent up in the air only to pretend that he had got something on the ball or moan to the ref. Is that not cheating?
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18/11/2008 13:48:02
Anyway as for the comparissons,

Jacques Cousteau thinks Nakamura is taking the sport to new levels!
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18/11/2008 13:48:47
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An Carfin or Coatbridge are so much more tolerant?
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18/11/2008 13:51:04
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just to rectify the fact, the Ref HAS to award the decision, IT IS HIS DECISION TO MAKE, the Linesman ADVISED HIM, that dosent change the fact that the REF GAVE THE PENALTY!
Unless there has been a rule change at the end of last week allowing linesman to award penalties...
sorry to allow facts to get in way of your smokescreen....
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18/11/2008 13:52:17
although maybe i should have just referred everyone to your post in #121 to highlight your 'encyclopeadic' knowledge of football.
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Latin America. 18/11/2008 13:55:26
Although English but a Unionist and living half a year in Peru, I am continually embarrassed by reminders from Peruvians, who by nature are gentle and peaceful,of Scotlands humiliation at the hands of Peru in the WC of 1978. You´ll remember Scotland celebrated becoming world champions, at Hampden, before leaving for the WC.Peruvians have told me they were aware of such celebration and were determined to belittle such pompous stupidity. That match made the poor Scottish team the laughing stock of Hispanic America, particularly Peru.
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I should have added, ¨which remains until this day.
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¨Latin America. 18/11/2008 13:57:48
By the way Cubillas lives just around the corner, in Los Cipresses.
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Though its sometimes claimed the English dwell on 66, Peruvians are reminded weekly of Scotland 78. I s´pose its a bit like the worlds biggest club, with half the world wearing its shirts, Celtic, not infrequently remind us of its domination of Europe begining with the win against Inter.
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18/11/2008 14:11:44
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They are, thats the point, there are complete hamshanks on both sides and areas where they dwell
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18/11/2008 14:23:34
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Your implying bigotry, I'm not denying its an issue in certain areas, but it cuts both ways.

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But who AWARDS the decision, not the 'assistant' who may 'advise', the AWARD is made by the REF. a point you seem not to be getting when you say he never gave the decision.
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18/11/2008 14:27:18
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Ok, so in post #121, you say the ref never gave the penalty, it was the assistant.
I then point out that it is the ref who gives the decision, albeit on the advice of the assistant, but ultimately still the refs decision.
You then say the same thing and question my knowledge of football?
Fact is, the REF GAVE THE PENALTY, as such your post in #121 is wrong and your subsequent attempts to backtrack futile.
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Will Maradona repond to Butcher's fury?

Maradona’s first pre-match press conference as Argentina’s new national coach will be streamed live on www.stv.tv/argentina today (Tuesday, November 18) from 16.00 GMT ahead of the Scotland v Argentina friendly in Glasgow.
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18/11/2008 16:45:22
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How is it being pedantic to poitn out that in the rules of the game, it is the REFS DECISION?
you said he dindt give the penalty, when he clearly did as NO-ONE ELSE ON THE PITCH CAN!
Now how is that pedantic? It is just fact.
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18/11/2008 16:47:38
But then the sellick mindit on here are all ex-professional footballers/agents/lawyers/nuerosurgeons/psychiatrists & now referees/assistant referees now as well!
Christ you'll be giving the rinky-dink panther a run for his money with the boundless talents you all must possess to sit on here all day and post your bile!
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Comedy gold!

 

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