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Published Date: 22 August 2008
Rangers' title bid stalls at start
STALLED at the starting grid? Must sound familiar to Rangers who have suffered another early season disappointment this week when their bid to win the inaugural Superleague Formula Championship struggled to get off the starting line.

While Walter
Smith's are improving after their European exit and the loss of defender Carlos Cuellar, the team's 750bhp, V12 race car failed to turn a wheel in anger in the season's first official test at Donington Park.

Team driver, Wishaw-born Ryan Dalziel, was left frustrated but is optimistic the team will be ready for the final test next Thursday.

"I got a call, just five minutes before I was set to head for the airport to catch the plane to the UK, telling me not to bother because the car wasn't ready," said Dalziel. "It's disappointing and means we're going to have to play catch-up at next week's test which is only three days before the opening race at Donington."

Rangers will be joined on the 20-car grid by cars representing Liverpool and Spurs, AC Milan, PSV, Porto and Olympiakos.

Pulis' passport to trouble

STOKE City manager Tony Pulis has voiced his desire to see international federations pay players' wages when they are away from their clubs.

Six members of his squad were involved in international friendlies this week with Pulis admitting: "Players will be flying all over the world and playing in games which don't mean a lot...we don't know how those players are going to be until they report back."

Fair enough, but Pulis wants to sign Abdoulaye Faye (Senegal) and Haminu Dramani (Ghana). Roll on the next Africa Cup of Nations?

Sven rides his luck in Mexico

LOOKS like the black cat which followed Sven-Goran Eriksson around during his time with England has also made its way to Central America with the Swede.

The Mexico manager saw his side rally to beat Honduras 2-1 in a World Cup qualifier after almost being undone by a player nicknamed 'Rambo'.

A free-kick from Julio Cesar Leon, who also goes by the name of Sylvester Stallone's alter ego, bounced in off the crossbar to give Honduras the lead. But Pavel Pardo scored twice in three minutes for Eriksson's new charges.

TALES FROM THE TABS

BURLEY THE NEW BERTI?


THE back pages were left distinctly unimpressed by Scotland's goalless draw with Northern Ireland at Hampden on Wednesday night. The Daily Mirror offered the headline 'Anyone for cycling? (or rowing, or sailing, or swimming, etc etc) in reference to the far more interesting – and successful – displays in Beijing. The Daily Record offered 'Double Flop' for a story suggesting George Burley had run out of patience with a forward line of Kenny Miller and James McFadden.

But the Sun offered a potential comparison between Burley and former manager Berti Vogts.

The Daily Express scanned the Hampden crowd on Wednesday and found former Hibs manager Tony Mowbray checking out Rangers midfielder Kevin Thomson.

But there was little chance of anyone seeing former Ibrox player Stephen Hughes in his country's colours after Motherwell manager Mark McGhee revealed the midfielder was forced to withdraw from the squad due to a hamstring injury.



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1

Jambo Abroad,

22/08/2008 00:25:15
Barry did what in England? Managed to get into a team managed my Graeme Sounness.

Maloney has played for a far superior team than Blackburn. The talent that is being brought into Villa is fantastic, he will get into the Celtic team no probs.

You need to take of te Blue glasses and see the light. Sometimes... most times.... money talks!
2

Jambo Abroad,

22/08/2008 00:37:58
Like most managers that head south from the SPL they buy their best players from their previous teams Only to find out that they can't cut it in the EPL. Amaruso ring a bell?

There are many more managers, suffered the same fate, but it's very rare a player or manager will make it in the EPL. It's just too big a gap.

Side pass Barry is NOT as good as you think. He will be picked because of the fans this season, but he will not be the best midfielder at Rangers.... never mind Scotland

I have been reading your posts for a long time now and i just wish you and your mates would have a balanced view. Doubt it tho
3

Jambo Abroad,

22/08/2008 00:41:56
.... did Barry not leave Rangers, as he had some personal issues in Glasgow??

He is not mentally equipped to move form Glasgow. It's a big world out there!
4

Harlem Tam,

22/08/2008 01:23:51
thepundit - it was reported in a lot of websites yesterday that Maloney was in Glasgow. Get yer heid oot yer @rse.
5

Daillyman,

22/08/2008 01:51:26
Maloney is a decent young player who will help the tics squad.

I have been hearing that it was being homesick that would not allow him to get a regular place at Villa.

BF had the same problem in England being homesick, but other than when he was injured played all the time in the EPL.
6

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 09:19:17
The speed with which Ferguson was appointed captain at blackburn is something of a puzzle...until you realise that Souness was the manager, and then the jigsaw falls into shape.

Villa are a far better side than Blackburn ..all round , a far superior team who this season are worth a tenner bet for a champions league spot in the toughest league on the planet.

Blackburn have always been in or just above the relegation zone save for the kenny Dalgleish season about a huner years ago...Celtic walloped them 2v0 at Eewood Park in UEFA ....and that was despite Friedel pulling off a string of excellent saves...and they were better then (occupying 5th place in the premiership) than they ever were when Fergusson was there.

Ferguson was part of a distinctly second rate premiership side whereas Maloney joined an immeasurably more ambitious team with much better players that had their sights firmly set on uefa and beyond....Liverpool have been trying to land their current captain during the window for £15m...was bazza ever the subject of any transfer bids from any of the big teams ? nnnnope!

7

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 09:26:58
All Celtic need now is a good left back and we will have an excellent squad.

8

Montgomery Flange,

22/08/2008 09:42:56
Well said, no 14!
9

Jambo Abroad,

22/08/2008 10:12:39
#14

Spot on... The Puntit just won't see any sense when it comes to the Muchty Rangers!

10

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 22/08/2008 10:36:26
# 15 helter belter
hmmm i beg to differ
"all celtc need now is a good back four and we'll have an average squad"
much more accurate assessment
ps love the borat story re being pissed in ukraine
shame he wasn't in south ossetia !!
11

Boyne Bhoy,

DUBLIN 22/08/2008 10:55:33
#13 How does Davis improve the Rangers squad from last season?
12

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 11:23:40
Etims' rumour mill reports today that Donati is a certainty to leave before the window shuts and the same is true of Balde.

Allegedly, whilst Wolves and Birmingham are prepared to match his wages at Celtic, Bobo wants a move back to France and the best deal he can get there is around £15k a week...and so he wants a big pay off from Celtic so as he can get the move he wants.

Etims also has heard that after Kaunas, Lawell was told that there would be £5m LESS in the transfer kitty , a decision which was reversed when Minty made it clear he was 'all in', by which time Lawell had pulled the plug on a few deals.

The SSM is now allegedly trying to re-open negotiations but some of those targets have apparently made other plans.

If there is any truth in the story, I imagine more details will filter out of CP in the weeks ahead.
As it happens, as I mentioned above, I think signing any more players other than a good left back would be difficult to justify.

Possibly one more striker, but even there, we have the best pairing in the spl, and Samaras, and we have Hutchieson and McGowan waiting in the wings.
13

Swordsman,

Dublin 22/08/2008 11:34:04
Welcome home Shaun...Now a wee screamer next weekend to cement your place with the Hoops faithful is all that we require...;@)
14

Boyne Bhoy,

DUBLIN 22/08/2008 12:36:17
#22 Ah right, so loan players don't contribute as much as contracted players. Thanks for the explanation.
15

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 12:43:18
24
Howzz about Naka moves into the middle with either Robson or Hartley, and Maloney and McGeady occupy the flanks.

Naka has great vision and passing ability, and sitting in the middle might utilise his talents to far greater effect.
He'll have the entire width of the final third right in front of him .
16

jerrymanders,

Royally Dumping 22/08/2008 13:32:14
#13

"Mendez, Aaron, Davis & Edu are exciting buys who will vastly improve RFC in an attacking sense."

Mendez is the top signing, no doubt. He had an easy debut against a very poor team, he also had the luxury of being at home. Harder games to come for sure. Far too early to tell. Davis, on the other hand, is a "known" quantity and whilst starting very well in the SPL last season the worry must be the way he was a shadow of that player by the end of his incredibly short season. He is also now in the comfort zone and isn't fighting for a contract. Escapologist is a "wonderkid" but I doubt he will be straight into the first team squad for anything other than being one of the required U21'S. Having started at Valencia, then on to Iraklis, and now Rfc there is a certain downward spiral in his career moves so far. A young player with flair doesn't fit into Wattanacio. Finally, Edu. Big and strong and he can run all day. Now this is more like a Wattie signing. He's a defensive midfielder that can also play centre half. Straight in the squad, if the work permit comes through. Not exactly a flair player though and will probably find it as hard as Esclapet to adjust to the hurly burly of the SPL. Five in midfield is not going to change, I fear. So, two decent signings at most and fingers crossed for the other two. We're quaking.
17

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 13:35:18
26

Maloney has just completed a pre-season programme so his fitness ought to be respectable.
He will not walk into the team, but he'll be on the shoulder of a few players : McDonald, McGeady and Naka.

McDonald is not far away from getting dropped to the bench...I expect he'll start up to and including the rearrangerz match, but if by then he's still looking ropey, Strachan will have to think about other options.

McGeady hasn't shown much in the first two games. He is double marked most of the time but he'll need to show a bit more to be sure of keeping Maloney out me thinks. If McGeady is getting snuffed out most of the time, again Strachan will have to review his position.

I was staggered by Naka's contribution on Sunday...the guy went under the knife only 2 weeks ago and to play as he did emboldens me think that this season is going to be his best yet in the hoops. Barring injury, I think there's little chance of Maloney forcing him out, but McDonald and McGeady will be looking over their shoulders.
18

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 13:47:38
Didn't Davis play 20-odd games for Fulham prior to moving to Ibrox on loan last season? I'm pretty sure you will find that he did, so he probably totalled over 50 games. He only went downhill towards the end in the sense that the whole team was struggling, with the key players dying on their feet. It's hard for any player to stand out when his team is playing poorly. I reckon that he'll be an excellent signing for RFC, and age-wise, we should be getting the best years of his career.

Aaron, I think, will surprise us all. The two under-21's rule will ensure him plenty of opportunity and I reckon he'll shine. Mendes success, unless he picks up an injury, is I think, assured. Likewise Bougherra looks a good signing. Edu, we will wait and see, but his Young Player of the Year award last year in the US, and his subsequent promotion to their National team bodes well for his prospects.

RFC have pretty much changed half their team since last season, when they won two cups, reached a Euro final and took the SPL to the final day. If those changes improve the team by, let's say, 20% or more, it should be enough to rule domestically this season.

Next two weekends will reveal much, however, and I'd recommend to Walter that he gets another good central defender in.
19

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 13:51:01
Edu's work permit has been granted, btw, so he is now a Rangers player.
20

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 14:08:33
#29 FYI

mcgregor 51 games (0) subs , broadband 30 (3), webster 1, weir 60, buffel 0 (5), papac 46, ferguson 61, hemdani 35, thomson 41 (1), boyd 23 (16), novo 18 (29), adam 24 (7), *davis 22 (3), faye 3 (2), gow 2, burke 16 (3), naismith 15 (13), darcheville 28 (20), beasley 15 (6), dailly 19 (1), cueller 63, alexander 13 (2), mcculloch 38 (6), whittaker 41 (5), cousin 26 (15)

*Davis also made 22 appearances for Fulham.


20 of the 25 squad players started under 40 games and even 11 of them played under 25.
21

Rosscobhoy,

22/08/2008 14:10:04
Maloney will have to work harder than he has in his life to get everyone in the stands behind him again. I think he may be brought in to compete with McDonald rather than playing in the middle of the park now.
22

Rosscobhoy,

22/08/2008 14:17:31
Dark Horse,

Looking at McDonald recently, i think its a lack of weight watching that is the problem. The bhoy has always had a backside of Kenny Dalglish proportions(and uses it well to hold off defenders), unfortunately he appears to have added a few lbs elsewhere as well. Needs to do a lot of running over the next month or so!
23

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 14:18:09
#35

JCD will keep him company.

24

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 14:20:05
33

Very interesting stats jerry and certainly turns to myth the idea that the rearrangerz players all played more than 60 matches..only three in fact!

That excuse of overtiredness certainly takes a bit of a hammering under the microscope!
25

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 14:20:47
As I said, the key players, Weir, Cuellar and Ferguson, played a huge number of games, and the whole team suffered as a result, making everybody look a bit worse, with the team particularly ropey in the closing weeks.

Only domestic football and 40-odd games this season. I think we'll all see the difference that it makes.
26

Rosscobhoy,

22/08/2008 14:30:51
I blame the whoever caught him smoking. If he's given up the fags due to that it would explain the extra weight!......
27

Rosscobhoy,

22/08/2008 14:39:53
Robert Prosinecki was also reputed to smoke 40 a day. Would probably walk into most teams right now, even after retirement!
28

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 14:40:09
Or even weird!
29

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 14:47:13
Or even unusual, weirdly enough!
30

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 14:48:36
#40 More interesting than Davis!

#41

Only those three had an "inordinate" amount of games, two of whom played on the eighteen yard line and only crossed half-way for corners. The rest were not overplayed at all with not one making more than 50 appearances unlike McManus (53), McDonald (52), Caldwell (51), and McGeady (51). On top of that were Brown (48), JVOH (46) and Donati (41).
31

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 14:53:14
#52

Priceless.

You belittle the number of games that Weir and Cuellar play by virtue of the fact that they are central defenders, then include McManus and Caldwell amongst Celtic's most frequent preformers.
32

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 15:00:25
#52

McManus and Caldwell did about as much running as Weirysome and Ugly Betty. None of them could be described as attacking type players. They're all "stoppers". Packing the midfield got Weiry through in the end though.
33

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 15:07:14
jerry

At the end of the day, RFC played 68 competitive games, which is an all-time Scottish record, and the three outfield players who were generally recognised as the three most important to the team each individually played more than 60, which is excessive regardless of how you want to spin it.

Rangers also had to crowd a lot of games into the last few weeks of the season, when the three biggest trophies were still up for grabs, which was hardly helpful to their cause.

Now, I've been on these threads long enough to know that it's unrealistic to expect you to say anything that's even remotely neutral, let alone sympathetic towards RFC, but I'm certainly satisfied that Rangers suffered from the sheer weight of fixtures last season, as did Celtic, although to a lesser extent, in 2003.
34

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22/08/2008 15:09:26
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35

Survivor Of Riots,

22/08/2008 15:28:53
Dark Horse - if you see the Accies as your bench mark, then good luck.

They might have turned Kaunas over though and kept the co-efficient up
36

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 16:07:02
This 'we played more than 60 odd games' BS has pretty much been exposed as another myth of rearrangerz 2007/08 season.

The two central defenders aside, only Bazza topped the 60 mark. Some of the other players should be hanging their heads in shame for moaning about the number of fixtures. Novo, with a tiddly 18 starts, was one of the most vocal complainers.

Under the microscope, it appears that the great majority of rfc players played an average of around 40 odd matches, and I think I'm being generous with that...more than generous!

Tsk! Tsk! The naughty rearranggerz.
37

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 16:27:41
61, 63

Glad to see you lads are getting your excuses in early for 4 in a row.

And stand by for the ibrox clear out at Xmas when the full extent of the forthcoming financial loss hoves into view.
IF there is a Hutton or a Cuellar amongst this little lot, Minty will be off 'round the pawn shop in the January sales...off-course , it'll be an offer he 'couldn't refuse'.

38

paulmac,

surrey 22/08/2008 16:28:17
58

That's a bit like your first game of the season away to Flakirk.....

Who were missing 9 of the first team squad for that game!
39

paulmac,

surrey 22/08/2008 16:32:09
Any body know if Mikey McCurry has been given a place on the Rearrangers board yet?
40

paulmac,

surrey 22/08/2008 16:33:08
61

Crash and burn?

Kaunus springs to mind!
41

paulmac,

surrey 22/08/2008 16:38:40
Right lads.....

who is gonna get the sack cloth and transit van treatment doon at Minty park in the next 10 days?

Big Kooooosan?
2 erses?
Sour face Boydiechenko?
The U boat skipper Thomson?
Novo the tatoooed lady?
The Pie man Chaza Adam
Help me oot Hemdani?

Let the game of musical chairs begin....and start the van!
42

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 17:19:28
I'm pretty sure that, if you go back to the start of the Premier Division system in the mid-1970's, Rangers two least favourite hunting grounds statistically will be Celtic Park and Pittodrie, so the next two weekends should be illuminating with regard to RFC's title credentials.

The Old Firm match will be particularly significant, because it comes on the final day of the transfer window, so if either team takes a beating, they won't be able to go out there and strengthen their ranks. The game also precedes the internationals, so the losing team will have to live with the result for two weeks before they can get back onto the park and get it out of their system.

Pittodrie is first up though. In the normal course of things, I'd consider a draw as an acceptable result up there, but a win would put us under a little less pressure leading up to our trip to CP, so we must go for victory.

I reckon a 4-4-2, with Miller left on the bench after his midweek exertions.

McGregor; Broadfoot Bougherra Weir Papac; Davis Mendes Thomson McCulloch; Boyd Velicka
43

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 18:15:12
#55

BE

I've obviously touched a nerve. Still, a squads a squad for all that and the MAJORITY did not play anything near 68 games last season. Moaners like Novo and Beasely were surely joking? Yes you suffered due to fixture congestion, however, selling your best player in January was a monumental mistake. Not rotating your squad properly was a monumental mistake too. The only player that really suffered fatigue was Capt. Fantastic. Even Weirysome is back for more and wants to add to his Scotland caps! None of the others, as professional athletes, could use fatigue as an excuse, surely?
44

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 18:35:21
jerry

I would agree that fixture congestion was a bigger factor than the actual number of games. Hats off to Celtic for the way they finished the season. They felt like they had to win their last 7 SPL games to give themselves a shot, and went out and done it. No complaints about that.

But let's get real. A weekend SPL match followed by a midweek UEFA Cup Final followed by a vital SPL match less than 3 days later followed by a Monday night SPL match followed by a Thursday night SPL match followed 40-odd hours later by the Scottish Cup Final was a ridiculous way to force RFC to finish their season, and that would be the case no matter how many games certain players had played or how well WS had rotated his squad.

At least we can't get stuck like that this season :)
45

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 18:38:21
#71

No excuses then!
46

Helter Skelter,

22/08/2008 19:09:35
71

The facts are that some of the players had so few games over the season, they should have been able to cope with the last three or 4 games without any bother.

And Walter will think twice before seeking postponement of spl games for CL matches in future....if he ever gets to lead Rearrangerz into a CL campaign again.
47

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 20:53:42
Rangers played 68 games last season which should equate to 748 individual starts.
Jerry's post at 33 accounts for 691 starts.

Unless Hutton managed 57 starts before Christmas there is some info missing here, or the figures aren't correct.
48

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 21:11:24
#74

Mutton had 31 starts before being pushed out. JCD 28 (20), Novo 20 (27), startling stats for the weiry?
49

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 21:21:05
75 Jerry

I make that 770 starts you've accounted for now, with only 748 being possible, and we still have to add the the goalkeeping starts when McGregor was injured.

Where are these figures coming from?

Could it be that dastardly Rangers started more than 11 players for lots of games and no-one noticed?
50

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 21:25:48
McShagger 54, Alexander 15.
51

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 21:33:07
You may have started but for instance, three erses hardly ever finished. Check out the stats.
52

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 21:33:09
Jerry, got to be something wrong with these figures, thats 785 starts, which equates to over 71 games.
53

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 21:35:53
#78, yes you may start but not finish, but no more than 11 can start any given game. So 68 games with 11 starts is 748.
We're now at 785 starts which isn't possible in 68 games.

Where are these figures from?
54

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 21:41:33
#80

These are not just starts, check out Rags Fc, I have included substitutions too! Hint. They are the ones in the brackets. I take it that you are an American?
55

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 21:49:26
Jerry

I can see that you've included substitutions.Ignoring the substitution figures in brackets the first figure you have is the number of starts each player made, and if you add up all those starts you get 785 when its only possible that 748 starts could have been made in 68 games.

The figures just aren't adding up.
56

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 21:50:25
Ajax

I reckon that this has all been done to death now.

Despite widespread recognition of RFC's 2003 triumph being aided by "Seville fatigue" (which not only means fatigue caused by the Final, but is an umbrella term to describe how Celtic's UEFA run handed Rangers an advantage), there are still posters like jerry who are desperate for us all to accept that Celtic won last season's SPL fair and square without having any advantage.

No twisting of statistics can alter two crystal clear facts. Rangers 68 competitive games WAS a Scottish record, and the amount of huge games squeezed into the last couple of weeks disadvantaged Rangers.
57

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 21:55:26
Talking of subs you've accounted for 184 sub appearances, and add one for Alexander subbing McGregor then thats 185.

Thats 2.7 subs per game over 68 games, so still possible. Quite high though.

58

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 21:58:31
BE, not a very interesting debate I grant you, but still would have liked to see accurate figures if they are being quoted.

Yes, any fair minded observer can see that a record number of games and lack of recovery time from games and injuries took its toll at the end of the season.
Don't have to worry about that this year mind you.
59

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 22:01:21
Cuellar 65 (0)
Ferguson 61 (1)
Weir 61 (0)
McGregor 53 (0)
Papac 46 (0)
Whittaker 43 (5)
Thomson 43 (1)
McCulloch 38 (8)
Hemdani 35 (0)
Broadfoot 31 (3)
Hutton 31 (0)
Darcheville 28 (20)
Cousin 26 (16)
Boyd 25 (16)
Adam 25 (6)
Davis 23 (3)
Dailly 21 (0)
Novo 20 (27)
Naismith 17 (12)
Burke 17 (4)
Beasley 15 (6)
Alexander 13 (2)
Faye 3 (3)
Gow 2 (0)
S Smith 2 (0)
Carroll 1 (0)
Ehiogu 1 (0)
G Smith 1 (0)
Webster 1 (0)
Buffel 0 (5)
Fleck 0 (3)
Emslie 0 (1)
Furman 0 (1)
Sebo 0 (1)
60

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 22:02:25
1 Artur Boruc 45
2 Andreas Hinkel 19
3 Lee Naylor 47
4 Adam Virgo 0
5 Gary Caldwell 50 (1)
6 Dianbobo Balde 4
7 Maciej Zurawski 1 (7)
8 Scott Brown 45 (3)
9 Kenny Miller 1 (1)
9 Georgios Samaras 5 (16)
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink 44 (2)
11 Paul Hartley 34 (5)
12 Mark Wilson 12 (4)
14 Derek Riordan 3 (8)
15 Evander Sno 5 (16)
16 Thomas Gravesen 0
17 Steven Pressley 6 (1)
18 Massimo Donati 34 (7)
19 Barry Robson 10 (6)
20 Jirí Jarošík 11 (2)
21 Mark Brown 9
23 Ben Hutchinson 0 (2)
24 Jean-Joël Perrier-Doumbé 3
25 Shunsuke Nakamura 33 (3)
26 Cillian Sheridan 0 (1)
27 Scott McDonald 49 (3)
29 Koki Mizuno 0
33 Chris Killen 3 (24)
41 John Kennedy 11 (3)
44 Stephen McManus 53
45 James O'Brien 0 (2)
46 Aiden McGeady 48 (3)
47 Michael McGovern 0
48 Darren O'Dea 5 (5)
52 Paul Caddis 2 (2)
54 Ryan Conroy 2
55 Paul McGowan 0 (1)
56 Teddy Bjarnaso
61

Ajax MacKindling,

22/08/2008 22:15:46
Jerry,

They certainly look more accurate , thanks.

In your opinion why do you think that Celtic were pipped for all trophies in 2003? Were they just not as good as Rangers or was there another factor do you think?

62

BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 22:20:06
At least that one adds up, Ajax.

I'm not sure that you can really separate the starts from the sub appearances in such a clear cut way, though. Some of the starts may only have involved half an hour of football while some of the sub appearances could be for an hour or more.

Another factor to consider is that the start count for players like Thomson and McCulloch, who were generally first-choice, are probably limited by injury, and it may still be true to suggest that these players had to play a concentrated number of games over a relatively short period, and would have suffered accordingly.

Changing the subject, interesting to see Evander Sno in there. What's the betting that the guy flourishes at Ajax, has a few excellent seasons, and ends up heading for a big Italian or Spanish club for around £10 million, as the Dutch frequently do, leaving Celtic fans shaking their heads.
63

jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 22:20:15
#88

They were not good enough, obviously. Why have you not won the Leaugue for three seasons, and coming third in one?
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jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 22:21:26
#89

Much like Gattuso?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 22:21:50
Cue jerry with a "referees and penalties" rant.
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jerrymanders,

Not a Blue Ref again. 22/08/2008 22:25:28
#92

Sorry, that's Rags fc. We have all suffered from that for well over 100 years.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 22:26:26
jerry

Exactly like Gattuso.

Re 2003

Celtic were every bit as good as RFC, and I reckon would have won the league that season if they hadn't had extra fixtures. To deny that just to defend your stance on last season is just silly.

Winning the SPL means one thing only. It means that, over the 38 games in that particular competition, you have been the most consistent team. Nothing more and nothing less.
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jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 22:30:29
#94

Brilliant. I'm glad that you agree with TIAR! Thanks.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

22/08/2008 22:42:12
When a team wins the league by a big margin, there can be little reasonable doubt that they are the best team in that country.

However, when the league race is very close and the team who narrowly loses the league also wins both domestic cups and makes a European Final, there has to be a real question mark over who is the better side.
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jerrymanders,

22/08/2008 23:47:04
#96

You did not win the League.

 

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