Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement


Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the The Scotsman site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Dons chairman calls on SFA, SPL and SFL to work through financial crisis together



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 03 December 2008
ABERDEEN chairman Stewart Milne fears that Scottish football clubs are placing their future in jeopardy by continuing to live beyond their means during a deepening global financial crisis.
Milne believes that clubs' failure to adjust to the current economic climate has come at a dangerous time, because in his opinion the game's governing bodies have failed to co-operate on a long-term survival plan.

Milne wants to see the Scottish Football Association, Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League put aside their differences and come up with a blueprint to save the game.

The personal experience of someone who recently received a CBE for services to the house building industry makes Milne the perfect person to take a rounded view of the perils that lie ahead. As well as laying off hundreds of staff at the Stewart Milne Group because of the worsening recession, he has spent several years trying to keep Aberdeen Football Club afloat.

It was only his personal guarantees to the bank that allowed one of the biggest clubs in the country to remain operational with debts of over £12million, and even their future is far from secure despite recent improvements on and off the pitch.

Last season's record operating profits of £2.3million helped to cut the debt but were built on appearances in the semi-final of both national knockout competitions and the last 32 of the Uefa Cup. So far this season has been less successful on the pitch, with losses projected even before the threat of diminishing attendances as non-season ticket holders decide where to spend their money.

There's also the fact that Aberdeen need to finance the move to a new stadium in the next five years but Milne's concerns are far wider than just those affecting his own club.

The Aberdeen chairman believes the SFA, SPL and SFL must pull together much more effectively if football is going to have any chance of flourishing in the foreseeable future.

He said: "The reality is everyone is being hit with the current downturn whether that is the fans coming through the turnstiles deciding where they will spend their money right through to the corporate support doing likewise.

"I believe that we still have a long way to go in terms of getting our act together in taking a long-term outlook in where we should be going in Scottish football. There is a lot of scope for the three organisations to work a lot more effectively together for the good of the game.

"Not necessarily merging in to one body because the SFA has a very distinct role in terms of overseeing the whole of the game in Scotland. There is an argument that we would benefit from fewer bodies outside the SFA but to me that's not the burning issue.

"To me it's the incapability to get together on where we would want to see our game being in the next five to ten years.

"We need to work effectively to establish how we can get there in terms of the restructuring that will be needed to achieve that.

"I don't think we have a common goal and I don't think we will work effectively together to give us a fighting chance of getting Scottish football lifted to a higher level."

Milne, a former SPL board member, may be pessimistic about the future of Scottish football in general but remains much more optimistic about the way ahead for his own club at the start of a vital few years.

The feasibility report into the proposed move to a new community stadium will be considered by Aberdeen City Council at a meeting on 11 February with the chairman confident the project will get the green light.

Two sites are being considered; Kings Links which is across from Pittodrie, and Loriston on the south side of the city, and given the timescale involved Milne is not currently worried about the financial implications.

What he wants to see initially is a statement of ambition to build a facility that is vital for the future of the football club but should also take in to consideration the prestige it would bring to the area as a whole.

He added: "I would like to think that the funding issue can be avoided until we actually have a tangible project to fund in terms of getting the planning permission to move ahead which could be two to three years.

"Whatever happens Pittodrie is not an option as it's getting progressively more expensive to maintain the stadium and the Uefa rules that are coming in means we have to move.

"If we want to be in European football the reality is we need to be in a new stadium or we will have to play our matches at a stadium outwith Aberdeen.

"We have to be out of here within five years and how we fund that is undoubtedly going to be a big challenge but we have to look down the line a bit.

"I think potentially the city has a great deal going for it as there are a lot of major projects that can be delivered over the next three to five years – the Donald Trump development (a £1billion golf resort at Balmedie Beach], the Paul Lawrie golf project (at Blairs Golf Course], the western peripheral route and a major extension to the airport.

"We need to make sure that the value of a community stadium is made clear to the people of the north-east of Scotland."




The full article contains 938 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 02 December 2008 11:51 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Aberdeen FC
 
1

StockportJambo,

03/12/2008 00:43:51
"I would like to think that the funding issue can be avoided until we actually have a tangible project to fund in terms of getting the planning permission to move ahead which could be two to three years."

Umm. Yeah. So you spend a speculative sum on locating & securing a site, getting architects in, submitting a planning proposal, waiting for that... and then suddenly think "Jings! How are we going to pay for that!?"

Doesn't seem like the best way forward to me... but what do I know. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

As for European football... no danger.
2

Forward not Back,

03/12/2008 00:52:36
How much is Milne beginning to sound like Chris Robinson in the early 2000s with the need for Hearts to move?
3

Al Pacino,

03/12/2008 07:58:45
Is it not this year Vlad said Hearts would have won the league by? And another thing, when will Lothian buses become maroon again? Sort it out.
4

Gordieboy,

Musselburgh 03/12/2008 09:37:54
Milne is correct though. The need for Aberdeen to move house is rather more pressing than it was for Hearts under Robinson, and unlike the Hearts support at that time most of us Dons fans accept that our beloved Pitt is on its last legs. The money requried to refurbish the bits which HAVE to be refurbished (by law) is literally about the same as the cost of building a brand new stadium. Hence why in five years (at the latest) we'll not be at the Pitt any more.

So long as the new stadium is still near the city centre and not in some bizarre out-of-town complex somewhere like Cove, I'll be happy enough.
5

Away down In Gorgie (2),

03/12/2008 09:47:12
4#

Is the proposed development under threat due to the Council in Aberdeen being skint?

Aberdeen Council - being a 1 team city should be right behind the football club's plans.
6

Pride Eh The Captal!,

03/12/2008 11:34:47
'It was only his personal guarantees to the bank that allowed one of the biggest clubs in the country to remain operational'

Are we still in the 80s?
7

cathym,

03/12/2008 13:01:54
lets face facts, not all clubs live beyond their means, hibs dont , we only spend 43% of our revenue, thats why we can buy our own training ground, pay our bills ie wages etc,its about time players realised they aint worth the thousands they are on each week, considering they same 2 clubs normally win everything
8

Wolfie,

Ellon 03/12/2008 13:09:08
Sadly I see the Jambo supporters daring to comment can only do so to detract from their perilous situation. Late wages, finacial debt & someone with little understanding of the Scottish game guiding them. How pathetic.

Aberdeen City Council is in a financial difficulty, thats the here and now, they will be out of it in 2-3 years time. Aberdeen F.C., 2 European trophies v Hearts nil, are building a future, debts cut to around £6 million, building a new statium, 22 thousand seater+ rsing to a possible 30 thousand. A Scottish, forward thinking (between 5-10 year projection) chairman.

How much debt are Hearts now owning its foriegh owners? When and where will their new stadium be built? When will players and staff next get paid? What are their forecast over the next 5-10 years? Where do they think they will reaslistically be in the future?

So have your opinion, but get your house in order first....please...LOL
9

cathym,

03/12/2008 13:23:41
plus unlike the jambos WE can fund building of new stand its only delayed because of cost of materials now , which are starting to drop just like house prices, because the sellers realise its not a gravy train anymore
10

Wolfie,

Ellon 03/12/2008 13:47:03
#1 Stochport Jambo: Thankfully Stuart Milne is taking the building of the Stadium through a well structured process that is used with all good builders & planners, Nationally. As for financing, I don't think that he hasn't a plan in mind, like all Top National Major Building companies. Duh!

#2 Forward not back: Is Tynecastle ready for the new Eufa rules in 5 years, are you moving to Murrayfield, have you the money to rebuild Tynecastle.

# cathym: From where Hibs were a few years ago you've come far. It looks like you too will find a way through to the future. I wonder if you might have the poorer side of the city come a begging, 'again', to share a stadium!!! Well at least you, 'again', will be in a strong position to laugh it away...lol

As for Stuart Milne being pessimistic! On the other report some uninformed and incapables suggest he and David Murray (who also predicts the same) are dome and gloom. How pitiful those supporters are. They are foreseerers, projecting where they believe the beatiful Scottish game should be. We are in a better state than in England, and we need to get ahead of the game.

As for Aberdeen FC (2 European Trophies v Hearts NIL), after getting into the last 32 last season (Hearts can only dream of that, was it 1 round this season) yes I can see us doing something again, thanks.
11

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging Around 03/12/2008 13:50:24
To make it clear to all, Pittodrie is right in the heart of the city and is very accessible and lacks only a decent sized car park. It can be walked to within 30 minutes of leaving the railway station. There are buses near Pittodrie (5 minutes from King Street) every 5 minutes or so and, for the hungry or thirsty fan, there are numerous food and drink outlets on the way and in the immediate area.

Kings Links is not more than a Rory Delap throw-in from Pittodrie, very central withsame facilities in the area.

Loirston is not in Aberdeen - it is on the outskirts. The Loirston site is closer to the centre of the suburb of Cove (home of Cove Rangers) than it is to the centre of Aberdeen. The access links are fair, at the moment, and MAY be improved IF the bypass (WPR) is built. The nearest rail link is in the city centre and to walk from there to Loirston would take a good hour, along a busy dual carriageway. It might make sense to consider a rail-stop close to Loirston; given that the village of Cove has grown to a suburb and STILL has no train station (sespite being almost on the main line) it seems unlikely that a station and/or spur will be added to the railway. City bus services do run regularly to Loirston; there should be one every 20-30 minutes. Granted, the bus timings could be changed if there were a new stadium built there but that is NOT a given. Oh, one other thing. The main feature for which Aberdeen is becoming very well known is the pair of rivers, one to the north and one to the south. Neither one has a terribly good reputation for being easy to cross by car; the bridges are few and far between. Bit like the Cove buses, really.

Many of Aberdeen's fans live to the west and north of the city and these will have to travel, probably by car, if Loirston is the new home. For Aberdeen fans, moving to Loirston would mean that the trip to the match will become much more like a trek.

Incidentally, there is some talk of a ground-share between Aberdeen
12

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging Around 03/12/2008 13:54:22
(continued)

Incidentally, there is some talk of a ground-share between Aberdeen and Cove Rangers. Obviously Mr. Milne, one of Scotland's richest men, will give that scheme some consideration as it is not by spending money that he got wealthy! Quite how an SPL club with attendances of 10k and a Highland League club with attendances in the hundreds are compatible, I'm not sure. Perhaps others would care to explain this.
13

Wolfie,

Ellon 03/12/2008 14:06:38
#12 montford's Jaicket: Would it be possible for Aberdeen and Cove Rangers to ground share just the same as they do in Milan or Rome or Turin, albeit they have much greater finacial clout, attendance etc..

Or just they do with American football where all major team ground share 1 stadium per city.

I also believe that the size of their cities are far larger than Aberdeen city. I long for the old mentality and attitude to supporting our team would come back. This was where people turned up to Pittodrie in their 10s of thousands, predominately walking miles. I can agree that we need better parking facilities, but I can see that being thought about in the panning process.
14

Boozy,

Leith 03/12/2008 16:43:15
11 # Montford's Jaicket
Kings Links would seem to be the best option as the walk to the Loriston site entails a long walk along a busy dual carriageway. The fatalities on a Flag Day in Aberdeen do not bare thinking about, as the Dons Fans jump back and forth across the road to dodge the flag sellers. LOL.
15

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging Around 03/12/2008 16:45:20
#14 Wolfie, I have no problem with ground sharing per se but there are many things to sort out. For example, how do the costs of a shared new ground get split between Aberdeen and Cove. It would obviously be unfair for Cove to be expected to pay for 50% of the ground when their income for a season would be far below that of Aberdeen. Same argument goes for things like upkeep - do Cove have to pay for half of the groundstaff? Do you think "Loirston Stadium Ltd" would own the stadium and rent the ground to Aberdeen and Cove - and presumably to anyone willing to use the facility during summer for outdoor concerts? Could it compete with the AECC for that type of concert? Could there be a 3-way partnership between City Council, Aberdeen FC and Cove with Cove taking 10% and the others 45% each? Plenty of options but at the moment the club own the whole ground - many of hte new options would see them lose that 100% control.

Do you recall the Fir Park pitch last season when it was being used every Saturday by Motherwell and Gretna? It was in a shocking state. That did not lead to an enhanced football "product" (mind you Motherwell finished 3rd in the SPL playing on it). What would happen if the SRU, say, came along to "Loirston Stadium Ltd" and said they wanted to play Tonga or Fiji on a Saturday when the ground was free in October (maybe an international football weekend) - would the fee be rejected? Does that enhance the pitch?

Afraid I'm deeply cynical about Mr. Milne's involvement at Aberdeen. He keeps making statements about not being willing to pay off the debt when he could do so, as he wants to see the club work out it's own solution. Could he not, perhaps, take over the debt, free the club from interest payments and still let the club work out how to pay that debt (which would not be getting bigger) if he truly had the club's interests at heart? Between you, me and anybody else who reads these posts, I think Mr. Milne won't be satisfied until there are "Stewa
16

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 03/12/2008 16:46:59
#15 was for #13 -
#14 - Kings Links would be better than Loirston for access. Not much fun having to dodge the traffic on the A90 to avoid flag sellers!

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 

Featured Advertising



Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.