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Published Date: 03 November 2009
GIVEN his own prowess with the ball at his feet, John Collins is an obvious expert to turn to when contemplating the current decline of Scottish football. But he further marks himself out as someone worth listening to due to his experiences elsewhere.
Former First Minister Henry McLeish, for one, would have felt his ears prick up had he heard Collins, who played at AS Monaco as well as Hibernian, Celtic, Everton and Fulham, wrestle with the subject of what has gone wrong with the game here. Unlike
those whose input is purely criticism, Collins yesterday sought to provide a remedy as he lamented the decline in skill highlighted perhaps most starkly by Rangers' 4-1 defeat by Unirea Urcizeni last month.

McLeish, who is fronting a review of the game scheduled to be submitted early next year, later applauded Collins' vision of the future, which involves football academies designed to refine not only the talents of young footballers, but also turn out educated young men.

"The ages of 14 to 16 are big for kids in terms of development – physically, technically and tactically," Collins pointed out.

It is a system which has been in place in France for some time, and is perhaps best demonstrated at the Fernand Sastre National Technical Centre in Clairefontaine. This academy, opened just over 20 years ago during a bleak time for French football, helped develop the likes of Nicholas Anelka, Louis Saha and Thierry Henry.

Scotland is in the midst of a similar downturn in fortunes, with McLeish's services recruited by the Scottish Football Association to head a committee reviewing the Scottish game. "The mood is sombre," acknowledged McLeish yesterday with reference to the current circumstances. "Understandably the papers have been filled with the problems facing us at the present time. But we have a great history and a great tradition. There remains a great interest in the game. But I remain committed to the idea that there is a great deal more we could be doing."

Collins is of the same mind, and he has had the opportunity to tackle the subject since resigning as Hibs manager almost two years ago. A short spell in charge of the Belgian club Royal Charleroi SC saw him soak up the practices of another football culture, while also imposing his own ideas. But it is Scotland's fortunes which the 58-times capped midfielder cares most deeply about, and he is keen to offer his input as debate about the national game's future reaches fever pitch amid revelations of financial meltdown at one of the country's two biggest clubs.

The national team has not also qualified for a major finals since Collins himself contributed to the cause at France 98. It was at this World Cup that the host nation reaped the benefit of the work achieved at Clairefontaine, defeating Brazil 3-0 in the final.

"I don't think the way forward is spending £10million on a player," said Collins. "You are hoping teams will find another Henrik Larsson for £650,000, but it is getting harder and harder."

Even this sum is beyond the likes of Rangers at present, and Collins is alert to how strange this sounds having felt the financial force of the Ibrox club when a player at Celtic.

"Who would have thought that when I was playing in the mid-90s?" he asked. "It has happened and Rangers are in a difficult situation. Celtic wouldn't want to be in that situation a few years down the line. Fans want to see top-class players, but they have to be realistic as well."

While Hibs have been one of the few clubs to invest in a state of the art training ground, Collins feels the game needs to go further and start nurturing players from the age of 14.

"They need to be training more at a younger age and putting more hours in under the club structure," he says of young Scottish footballers. "There are less kids playing football in Scotland, so we need to get them under the umbrella of the clubs at a younger age and get them training every day of the week. French kids go into their academies at 14 and they are full-time. In Scotland, they can't become full-time until 16, but those two years of training every day make a big difference.

"I think it would be better to invest money in academies than taking a punt on a £10 million player at £50,000-a-week. The French academy system is expensive but every team has to have it. Education sits side-by-side with the training. You go in at 14 years old, go to school for two hours, back to the training pitch and then back to school. Having education as part of it is the beauty of that system. It goes full-time with their football."







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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2009 10:19 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

jerrymanders,

03/11/2009 00:53:36
The French System? Just take the best players from your former colonies and call them French? Mais oui!
2

Doc Martin,

Dundee 03/11/2009 07:30:21
Some wise words from John Collins, but, if we are honest, he is basically saying what the majority of fans would like to see implemented and have done for some considerable time.

Our football is going nowhere, domestically it is poor and likewise on the international front.

So lets get the clubs together and change the entire system. At this present moment we have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
3

NineinR0,

03/11/2009 07:51:22
In Scotland at the minute we have good grass rots and play seven a side games on smaller pitches from ages of U8 to U12 and then the kids are intoduced to 11 a side on a full sized pitch. This is where we fail IMO. In Holland they continue playing sevens until the age of 15 before going full size 11 a side and those extra years on smaller pitches developes the players touch and technique that our lads don't have as the are forced to play long ball football from a young age as the pitch is too big for them ... maybe 9 a side on a between sized pitch would be the answer? Not rocket science ...
4

NineinR0,

03/11/2009 07:52:21
4 roots*
5

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03/11/2009 10:36:50
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Phil MaGlass,

Holland 03/11/2009 10:57:30
Mibbe we should be using a mix of the French and the Dutch way?
Facilities are also better for young kids,proper pitches and changing facilities that cater for their needs,coaches that know what they are talking about,this is normal in Holland.Kids being given proper training with qualified coaches.Kids being trained in the finer arts of football and not being screamed at to break the legs of an opponent.They are taught to read the game,play the game,positional fitba and pass its not about winning at such a young age,its learning the game, Dutch kids know this from a very young age.Why do our kids not?
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Iain MS,

Newcastle 03/11/2009 11:10:22
Adopting more successful coaching systems from others is a great idea of course (but hardly a new one). If it was really that easy we would have done it years ago. The French, Italian, Dutch etc systems primarilly work because they've been adapted to suit the various national 'character', so it's not just a case of doing it like others do. The problem is also compounded by the fact that we have significant structural differences and so many kids in this country now-a-days either play football with their thumbs rather than their feet, or play for success rather than for pleasure. How many parents see football as a way of getting their kids to be the next celebrity footballer rather than just for exercise and enjoyment? Too many I guess. In some ways we have too much coaching and not enough free expression that comes from 'just having a kick about' without the pressures.
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Malc.F,

france 03/11/2009 11:52:57
I am infuriated by the ignorant remarks of Jerrymanders and mavro. The french team have done more for racial equality than any other sporting team that I can think of and are 99% supported by white french people who turned in fury on LePen when he said that it was not a truly French team. They are of course all French and I don't suppose that Mavro would take Zidane,Henry,Ribery etc.Please realise that for most white French people rugby is THE game but that does not stop the French nearly always performing at the highest level in the round ball game. Incidently John Collins was highly thought of when he played for Monaco. On a humourous note I really regretted his move from Fulham just before Collins John got into their team.
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sonofcosmos,

03/11/2009 15:18:17
too many agendas..too many tubes in the media who feel their job is to be controvertial...parasites..
too many poor coaches living out a dream of their own failure..too many big freaks of nature being played at the expense of talent..even in the "non competative" leagues...
10

NineinR0,

03/11/2009 18:55:07
What happened tae the other two threads? Hibs and Aberdeen ... brought down by the serial cyber hooligans that support Celtic ... just because a guy called Kiwidug expressed his disgust at the Celtic fans disrespecting the minutes silence at Falkirk this week ... shame on you Hootsmon ... these people should be exposed as the trash that they are ... leave them on here as an example of how not tae behave ...
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NineinR0,

03/11/2009 19:36:16
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They will disrespect it on Sunday ... and prove tae be Scotland's sectarian shame ... anyway ask Kiwidug as he was first tae post on the subject ... most other non OF fans apart from DublinHibs agree that it's a national disgrace but the usual Celtic cyber crew were on trying tae defend the indefensible ... classic ...
12

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 19:36:48
We always hear from the GFITW that England would be happy to take Celtic but not Rangers.

Sunday's match will have a large English audience and i know just how serious Remembrance Day is taken down there and how proud we are of our soldiers.

Cant wait.
13

NineinR0,

03/11/2009 19:38:00
Tune in everyone and see the sectarian shame for yourselves ... not one of the Celtic board hada poppy on at the AGM on Friday ... sectarian tae the core ...
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NineinR0,

03/11/2009 19:44:29
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If it were me that done it guv then I'd not still be here ... would I? Silly person ...
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 19:45:32
#17

Did they not?

Well, that really is shocking.

And also an explanation why Celtic never made contact with falkirk to plead with them to change it to a minutes applause, they were obviously quite happy for their fans to boo.
16

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 19:54:35
Vinny's disappeared.

He needs his 'mates' for direction or he's just a lost wee sheep.

I wish him well, i really do.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:08:28
#18 ninny bigot.
You got the threads brought down with your ignorant bile. Why dont you do us all a favour and go back under the rock.
18

GRMpundit,

I really do... 03/11/2009 20:18:04
#22

So by claiming the Celtic fans are bigoted that also makes me a bigot?

Interesting logic.

I wish you well....
19

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:24:51
#23 No, it does not. However, you are always quick to come to the rescue of the bigot of bigots, commical ninny.
I wonder why? Do you both share the same sense of warped logic,or are you one in the same person?
Please advise.
20

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 20:32:30
#24

Thanks for confirming that im not a bigot. Maybe the Sheep will see sense now that one of his Shepherds has a different opinion.

Why are you accusing me of having mutliple profiles? could it be because i caught you out a PEACH! lol

Unlucky.

I would wish you well, but its too late...
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:36:21
#17 What is sectarian about not wearing a poppy?

You obviously, in your warped state of mind see the poppy as some kind of symbol of Protestant Britannia overlording and that is probably why you wish to wear it and for no other reason.Simply because you are the sectarian, you are the bigot and you do not give a fig for the men and women who faught and died during WW1 and WW2.
You simply want to satisfy your warped sense of what it means to your warped sectarian mind. The men and women who faught and died in the two world wars, faught to give us ALL freedom of choice and that freedom includes whether or not to wear a poppy or any other symbolic flower.
What have you ever done to help the survivers of those world conflicts?

Nothing I suppose. Because you are behaving like a nobody.
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 20:37:28
The Liberty Machine

Serious question, do you believe Celtic will do their chances of being invited to England any good if they boo the minutes silence on Sunday?

What do you think will be the English reaction to that?
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 20:40:26
#26

Trying to justify not wearing a poppy is a disgrace if you ask me.

Yes, they fought for freedom but to disrespect the soldiers that died fighting for that choice is disgusting.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:42:30
#25 I never thought at any time that you were a bigot but it does not do your credibility much good when you are seen on a regular basis to be jumping to the defence of a known bigot on these threads.

Lie down with a dog and you are sure to get up with flees.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:45:23

Wearing a poppy does not make one a patriot.

So! if I wear a poppy,that makes me more patriotic than someone who does not wear a poppy? Why dont you lot just grow up for Gods sake.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:45:56
#30 LOL!
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 20:47:51
#29

Sorry but regardless of what Ninenro thinks about this i'd still have the same opinion of the Celtic fans and their stance towards Remembrance Day.

#30

I wish you well...
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 20:49:06
#31

What about someone who boo's the minutes silence?

Thats a bit different eh?

Disgraceful.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:49:47
"wearing the poppy" in many cases is an exercise in pure showmanship.Just look at the shower on the BBC.After Sunday, most of the poppy wearers will not give a thought to the survivers of the second world war.
Its all a sham.
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TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 20:50:52
Have to laugh at Rangers talking about Cetlic fans disrespecting the dead.

Not wearing a poppy is NOT disrespecting the dead. But shouting vile bile about the late great Jock Stein OBE and The late Rt Honorouble Robert Sands MP is DISRESPECT.

Forget this one week of the year when most decent people remember the dead who died whether we wear a poppy or not. Think of the disrespect shown to the dead by the vast majority of Rangers fans every single week of the season.

They are a disgrace and Dr John Reid was correct - a bunch of holy wullies.
31

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 20:51:01
#35 Those who boo are a disgrace to their club and their country. Please dont associate me with them.
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Daillyman,

03/11/2009 20:51:35
Whether respect is shown to the veterans and the fallen with a minutes silence or a minutes applause, does it really matter. Its the public's recognition of the sacrifices these men and women made that is important.
33

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 20:58:04
~39

I'd prefer a minutes silence and anyone who interrupts it should be thrown out of the ground and their season ticket withdrawn.

The whole poppy and parade thing has turned into a circus that tends to glorify the fortunate ones who returned and not the poor ones who died. It also seems to be the top military brass who turn up at the parades and cermonies. The real guys who fought don't want to know, in fact most want to forget it.
34

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 21:04:40
#38

Okay, i wont because i dont like to tar all fans with the same brush.

But it was fine for you to have a pop at me for associating myself with a 'vile institution'

hmmmmmm....
35

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 21:16:57
#42

You're talking rubbish now, Vinny.

#43

It matters when they boo.

That is disgraceful.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:21:34
#41 Which "vile institution " is that?
rfc or the orange order?
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 21:21:34
#45

So do you regard booing as 'public recognition'?

Yeah, i suppose it is.

But its not really the public recognition they deserve, is it?

Disgraceful.
38

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 21:26:13
#48

Im just doing what the Celtic fans do on here on a regular basis.

Paybacks a bitch.

GFITW my ar5e!
39

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:27:35
#47 Its wrong to have politics associated with football.This act of silence "carry on" has just gone to far. Its as bad as having national flags hanging outside shops and pubs. or national anthems being played after dances and weddings etc, etc. Its wrong. The whole so called patiotic thing has been turned opn its head, but whose interest is it serving?
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:29:02
#51 "patriotic"
41

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:30:32
~47

Not nearly as disgraceful as the personal vile attacks by Rangers fans on dead heroes such as Rt Hon Robert Sands MP or the late great Jock Stein OBE.

Also what about all the people who died in the Irish Potato Famine that Rangers fans mock every week? And the thousands of innocents who died at the Boyne at the hands of an invading terror army? That is real disrespect, that is the real disgrace. You are holy wullies right enough.


42

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:34:39
~54

Yes so I see. He's also suffering from paranoia. He thinks that Liberty Valance and myself are the same guy. He also thinks Tim Malloy/Damo/Lenny's Army/GraDon and me are all the same guy as well.

Sad? He certainly is.
43

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:35:55
#53 Good post!
The thuggish attack on servants of HM the Queen, in Manchester has to be added to your list of appalling acts committed by these Scottish "loyalists"
44

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:39:57
#59 I think that minininny has done a runner!

lol!
45

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:40:41
~58

Sorry but I wouldn't call them Scottish Loyalists. They are NOT Scottish. They boo the national anthem, wear England strips and worship an English Monarch. They are NOT Scottish. The good people of Scotland frown upon the existence of these mongrels. We would sing "Why don't you go home" But no one would want them and they have no homeland.
46

GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 21:41:06
#59

Vinny, yes, i may have accused you of being another poster a long time ago but i dont think you've acted as someone else on here.

Liberty Machine, however, has been caught out.
47

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:41:54
#62
Caught out by who?
48

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:42:11
~59

Probably because he himself posts under multiple IDs. Is Dailyman/GRMpundit and Ninenro all one and same saddo?
49

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:43:09
Liberty he thinks we are the same guy. He's mental. He couldnae catch a cold.
50

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:44:39
Strange how Dailyman is not around to support his pal isn't it?
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03/11/2009 21:47:46
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 21:50:04
Well folks, im off to get my jam roll.

Sunday, folks, Sunday...

I wish you all well, i really do!
53

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 21:51:32
#66 TGM....
I have a strange feeling that you are more handsome than I. Definately more articulate.

Richer? The jury is out on that one!
54

TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:52:22
~68

I wish they'd go to the swamplands of Mississippi to join their brethren.
55

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03/11/2009 21:54:42
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TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 21:55:22
~71

I'd rather have the money! LOL
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03/11/2009 21:58:36
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NineinR0,

03/11/2009 21:59:53
What a bunch of ignorant wasters ... a blight on our society ... never mind the fitba ... still everyone will soon see the sectarian anti Brit/Scot Celtic support in action ... and here I thought that fans inappropriate behaviour contravened the laws now in place at the SPL ... points deduction maybe ...
59

Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 22:01:21
#77 Welcome back pundit !
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TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 22:01:58
~77

GRMpundit? What are you doing back here? The big Shankhill boy is calling you! Run rabbit as the good man Liberty says. Run!
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NineinR0,

03/11/2009 22:02:17
Your sad little sectarian meltdown continues ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
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GRMpundit,

03/11/2009 22:02:33
#76

Nah, i would have fought.

You obviously wouldnt have...

Enjoy your booing.

Bye bye.
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 22:03:29
#77 Pundit/minininny/ninny/
Who is Top of the SPL ? lol!
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NineinR0,

03/11/2009 22:03:55
I am not pundit ... you bhoys spend too much time in denial that you confuse reality and fiction ...
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03/11/2009 22:04:35
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03/11/2009 22:05:50
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 22:06:20
#81 pundit/ninny
"I would have faught"

Thats more than the rangers players of the day were willing to do.

lol!
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NineinR0,

03/11/2009 22:07:31
Imagine inviting a poor soul down on his luck intae your house and helping him and all he can do is trash the place and show zero respect ... I pity Falkirk at the weekend ... full of ignorant trash cliaming the moral high ground ... pretty sick side effect of our multicultural society ...
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TheGreenMachine,

03/11/2009 22:09:48
~87 Filth,

Check your fixtures. Rangers aren't going to Falkirk this weekend. They are at home to St Mirren. How ignorant are you when you don't even know where and when your own team are playing?
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 22:16:35
#88 TGM LOL!
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 22:22:54
#87 pundit/ninny

So its FALKIRK v rankers on Sunday? lol!
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Liberty Valance,

03/11/2009 23:08:43
#87 Falkirk v rangers on Sunday.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
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Daillyman,

03/11/2009 23:37:49
67

Had things to do. Glad to see you missed me.

 

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