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Hadden stands to continue at helm but McKie demands improvement



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Published Date: 28 March 2008
FRANK Hadden looks set to continue as Scotland's head coach for the immediate future, providing he can convince the SRU that changes will be made to halt the worrying slide of results.
Hadden has been interviewed by Gordon McKie as part of a review of the RBS Six Nations campaign being led by the SRU chief executive. McKie has also sought the views of other coaches and senior players on what he termed an "extremely disappointing" championship, and The Scotsman understands there is widespread support from those sources for Hadden to remain.

McKie was tight-lipped on when the review would reach a conclusion, stating only "within the next few weeks". He is determined to seek changes, however, before the squad head to Argentina for the two-Test tour in June. With tickets already on sale for the autumn Test series and the 2011 World Cup pool draw now hinging on Scotland's ranking in December, McKie knows that weary and critical supporters need a lot of convincing.

McKie stated earlier in the week: "We need to work out why we only won one out of five (Six Nations games] because that is extremely disappointing relative to the progress we made in 2007.

"We believed our standing in the Six Nations would be better than it has turned out to be, so not only is that extremely disappointing, it is something that will need to be examined closely because we go to Argentina in two months.

"My philosophy is a simple one. Change is never ending, improvement is constant, and we must ensure the national team complies with these fundamentals; that is, we consistently improve. If we're not (improving], we need to tinker with the engine to make sure that we do. It is unacceptable to me to go back, to deteriorate, or even to stand still. We have got to improve."

In truth, the union have few choices at this juncture no matter how upset they are with a championship which brought just one win and a disturbing slide in tactical direction.

McKie knows improved performance from Edinburgh and Glasgow on and off the field is crucial to his efforts to turn around Scottish rugby, so is keen not to damage the improvement being made at those respective clubs under the guidance of head coaches Andy Robinson and Sean Lineen. Any full-time role with Scotland for either would undoubtedly impinge on their club work.

With the relatively paltry resources, financial and playing-wise, very few top-grade coaches are likely to covet the Scotland job, and while there will be the usual CVs from wannabe Test coaches winging into Murrayfield, the recent, ultimately bitter, experience of gambling on an up-and-coming coach from outside Scotland – Matt Williams – is probably still too fresh in the mind for McKie to be keen to pursue a similar route.

Steve Bates, the former Borders coach back at Newcastle and coaching England's A team, is perhaps an exception. Interviewed but passed over in favour of Hadden in 2005, he was reported last weekend to be attracted to the Scotland job.



McKie has expressed his discomfort at Scotland winning just two of their last eight Test matches and dropping to tenth in the IRB world rankings, and appears to have demanded clear signs of change from Hadden to save his job.

George Graham and Alan Tait have been his full-time assistants for just over a year, but both were brought in with Bates, Hugh Campbell and Lineen, initially, when Hadden took up the reins in 2005.



It may be that Hadden now has to look at widening his coaching sphere to include Robinson and Lineen, perhaps more specialists on top of kicking coach Duncan Hodge, such as Gregor Townsend, who is currently coaching at Edinburgh once a week.

The difficulty there, however, is the mix of dominant head coach figures. Hadden was happy to have others on board, very much under his command, but he is a strong-willed character, and listening and acting on different approaches from coaches with different experiences and views is another matter.

The recent championship fuelled doubts as to whether Hadden had the ability to take this squad of players any further. Hadden had a desire to be bold, ambitious and different in his first season in charge, but over the past year Scotland's desire seems to have been more about avoiding defeat.



On renewing his contract after the World Cup in November, the former Edinburgh coach spoke of having undergone much "soul-searching" before deciding to stay in charge. The picture has only worsened since then, and although he looks set to continue, he has the right to walk away if he feels that he is no longer enjoying the job.

He has lost a few key men to injury and players have let him down, but the coach has exacerbated the problems with selection and, latterly, a blind faith in an off-form Dan Parks and parallel failure to back Chris Paterson in the stand-off role, despite having seemingly been persuaded that Scotland needed a more expansive style of game.

McKie could take more drastic action than is expected next month, go against the wishes of players and end the current coaches' contracts and ask Robinson and Lineen to take charge of the Argentina tour. Then he could spend the subsequent four months trying to find a permanent successor, as happened with Hadden himself three years ago.

Something has to give, which is likely to have been the message from McKie to the national coach in the past fortnight. The question to be answered over the next two weeks is, 'What change can turn this around?'

McKie added this week: "The buck ultimately stops with me, because while I don't pick the team, I have to run the governing body in a way that ensures we maximise our revenue and that all our teams are winning as often as possible. When my review is complete, I will share my views with the board and take whatever action is deemed appropriate."


The full article contains 1026 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 March 2008 9:51 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Venachar,

28/03/2008 00:38:21
My comment was blocked because I obviously did not agree with the statements from Mr McKie.
2

RichieSF,

San Francisco 28/03/2008 01:37:14
Typical GM/SRU vacillation. I cannot comprehend how a coach as unsuccessful as Hadden has been recently can remain in his job. If I was judged by these results not only would I expect to be sacked, I ought to fall on my own sword. Hadden is "maxima culpa" for the sorry state of Scotland Rugby. I only hope that GM grasps this nettle firmly and rids Scotland of this now useless coach. Anyone who prefers Dan Parks over Chris Patterson at number 10 needs help!
3

Sports Insider,

28/03/2008 05:49:54
"McKie stated earlier in the week: "We need to work out why we only won one out of five because that is extremely disappointing relative to the progress we made in 2007."

Gordon, this shouldn't take too long to work out:

Dan Parks
Frank Hadden

- end of review, now make a recommendation to the Board
4

Ed_Izmir,

Turkey 28/03/2008 06:35:38
"We believed our standing in the Six Nations would be better than it has turned out to be, so not only is that extremely disappointing, it is something that will need to be examined closely because we go to Argentina in two months"

Given that it makes two years in a row it cannot be described as extremely disappointing....it must be unacceptable.
5

ThePigThatShotTheMoon,

Utrecht 28/03/2008 07:51:46
Whilst not entirely suprised that Gordon McKie has not had the courage to dismiss Frank Hadden, I remain disappointed that the status quo remains.

I can only think that the SRU has no money to offer to a top coach, and that they deem the affordable coaches to be worse than Hadden

I'm concerned with the thought of adding more coaches to try and improve things, Hadden and an army of coaches can't be the solution.

The fact remains the Hadden should go. And if Gordon McKie is too afraid to turn things around, he should go too. It's almost as if McKie sees finishing fifth, ahead of Italy, as a good season.

We should not accept mediocrity
6

Edinburgh Pete ,

28/03/2008 07:57:37
No surpirses if its true. Mckie's usual fudge and mismanagement of a situation.

Will it be now the Argentina tour as Frank's last play. If he is staying there are some serious issues to address but as Hadden has caused a lot of them then there is little hope there will be change for the good of the team.
7

Couperman,

Orpington 28/03/2008 08:01:22
I sound like an echo but I too am unsurprised by the SRU failure to rid us of Frank - it would have been the more honourable thing for him to have resigned and not left it to the inept and undecided SRU ranks.

Ho-hum! At least Parks will be having a wee dance this morning safe in the knowledge that his abilities to aimlessly kick the ball upfield and avoid actually committing to the tackle will continue to be recognised by a Manager who seems bent on being awarded Numpty of the year!

Excellent decision making SRU.............. where's ma anti-delusionalpills??
8

Jock Piewalker,

28/03/2008 08:01:24
Can anyone honestly say Hadden can turn this around?

This was an excellent chance to remove the current group of coaches who have failed to reach the strategic goals of the SRU plan.

Just what are the standards expected ? In Ireland despite his triple Crowns EOS done the honourable thing. We apparently have a Union and a coach who are content with failure.
If the coaching staff had been released now a new team have the Argentina tour to establish a starting line, the early part of next season to put in place a squad for the future and the end of year tests to try and improve our standing in world rugby.
I travel throughout and we have become a laughing stock that is pretty hard to defend when there are clearly poor decision makers on and off the field and those with the purse strings.
This today only cements our place with lack of ambition,foresight and credibility.
Damm it all my toast is burnt!!!!!!!!
9

Stoo,

28/03/2008 08:02:48
"McKie stated earlier in the week: "We need to work out why we only won one out of five because that is extremely disappointing relative to the progress we made in 2007."

What progress in 2007?
10

John not from the Borders,

Haddington 28/03/2008 08:14:59
Italy was the final straw. What coach in his right mind, changes his whole game plan the night before a match because a winger gets injured. It's not like Parks and Paterson are similar players and it's unfair on Parks to ask him to play the way Paterson does. Then there is the bench for Rome, if you're only going to have 2 backs as replacement, you need utility player likes Cairns. 5 minutes into the game your other winger gets injured you change your centre pairing and what semblance of a game plan that you had been preparing to play to all week has gone up in smoke.

I don't think there is an International Head Coach anywhere in the world who would had made the decisions Hadden made!
11

Stephen101,

Just go Frank 28/03/2008 08:24:15
As a coach Frank you are taking us nowhere.

Do the noble thing, go and go now.
12

macmorrisey,

Lanarkshire 28/03/2008 08:36:44
I don't think it would be helpful for Hadden to go now. What does need to be made clear is that the strength in depth for the fly half position is not good enough - so a top class former #10 should be hired to develop those at Glasgow, Edinburgh and Scotland. Perhaps Paterson should be enticed back home to play at #10 permanently.
13

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 28/03/2008 08:38:42
I read this article with a heavy heart, the honourable thing for Hadden to do after 3 consecutive boring, clueless, humiliating tournaments (2007 & 2008 6 Nations + 2007 RWC)would be to fall on his sword, I would have at least had a semblance of respect if Hadden stood down now.

However all we get is stupid prevarication from the SRU –

My philosophy is a simple one. Change is never ending, improvement is constant, and we must ensure the national team complies with these fundamentals; that is, we consistently improve. If we're not (improving], we need to tinker with the engine to make sure that we do. It is unacceptable to me to go back, to deteriorate, or even to stand still. We have got to improve."

I quote Lisa Simpson “Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important”?

What’s all this rubbish, the simple root cause of our problems is a coach, who is out of his depth, plays the wrong players & deploys the wrong tactics and to compound matters blames everything/everybody but himself.

It’s also simple to arrest our current malaise & plummet down the rankings SACK HADDEN & replace him with Robinson, Lineen &/or Bates, these are guys who unlike Hadden actually know what they are doing.

Its simple isn’t it?
14

luckyrugger,

Glasgow 28/03/2008 08:38:48
#3 Sports Insider

Be quiet you idiot, Parks lost us the game to Italy but he did not lose us the other four. Plus he played 60mins at flyhalf against England.
15

luckyrugger,

28/03/2008 08:39:14
other 3!!!
16

shrek4,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 08:45:02
Change is never ending (was he talking about the weather?), improvement is constant - so lets discard one of our professional teams!
Hadden has to go - but the problems are at the top.
17

London Exile,

28/03/2008 08:47:31
this 6 nations was an opportunity to try new blood. going into the tournament a number of young players had been unearthed through the regional Scottish teams and within the English league, it was also apparent, reasonably quickly that Paterson needed to have a run at stand off.

excepting the use of Stroskotch in the 2nd half of the 6 nations nothing or nobody else was given a chance.


in the end de Luca was dispensed with, which was perhaps understandable, but the tactics were poor, throughout the majority of the 6 nations.

we needed to attempt change, everything is preparation for the next RWC in my opinion, and Hadden played with a ridiculously conservative hand and for that alone needs to go, because he has proven he does not have the imagination nor the knowledge for international rugby.
18

Animal82,

28/03/2008 08:59:23
this is a disgrace and once again stinks of amateurism. having spent a fortune following scotland over the last year, I think I shall spend my money elsewhere this year.
19

Pride&Passion,

28/03/2008 09:12:58
Has Dan Parks and Gordon McKie ever been seen in the same room at the same time? They both have an ability to make terrible decisions at crucial times and fail to execute the required manouvers when necessary. The SRU is an amatuer set up, the team functions as one, we are dismal and cannot expect to be any better than 10th.
20

Border Terrier,

terra firma 28/03/2008 09:17:30
How depressing. And there's a Catch 22 in the suggestion that Hadden might be allowed to stay on, but with the insistance that he improves performance and results. Because if he has the wherewithal to do so, then what on earth has he been doing for the last two years?

Truth is that this is nothing to do with coaching, performance and results, and everything to do with finances. The SRU can't/won't pay for somebody better. But McKie knows that, in terms of income generation, they can't afford not to make changes - because the Scottish supporters, sponsors etc won't put up with many more Hadden-inspired disasters. His selections are farcical. So where does that leave us - and them?
21

Big Smoke,

28/03/2008 09:19:05
Oh well that is my money staying in my wallet for the autumn test!! infact I might just go to the pub tonight instead of the Edinburgh game since the money goes to the SRU!
22

MBR,

28/03/2008 09:36:20
#18 your views will be echoed by many if Hadden is allowed to remain. As for him having the support of the players are these the same players who voted Dan Parks their player of the tournament in the World Cup.....clearly because they felt he was being unfairly picked out for blame rather than because of his skills.

No current player will criticise the current coach for fear of being dropped especially when Hadden clearly has his favourites and picks them regardless of form or experience in particular positions. It is nonsensical to simply ask other what they think and then say, in effect, that they are content with the current set-up. McKie's job is to get the best man available for the job and he needs to stand up and take responsibility.

It is uncomfortable to be calling for someone to lose their job and livelihood but for the sake of Scottish rugby Hadden needs to go now even if this means a temporary coaching team who can at least make some progress and sensible selections for the upcoming games.
23

Upandunder,

28/03/2008 09:56:02
Hadden did a great job leading us to wins over England (2), France, Wales and Italy (away and in a crucial RWC game).

But he has clearly run out of ideas. He has taken the team as far as he can, simple as that.
24

Dr Cloth,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 10:08:37
#14 luckyrugger

Parks did indeed play 60 minutes against England, however it would be fair to say that Scotland won in spite (rather than because of) him - a charged down kick, 2 up and unders that almost went backwards.... Furthermore he should not have been on the pitch at all, had Hadden picked a bench with someone to cover any of the back 5 positions.

Sometimes one doubts a head coach's ability to coach the best out of his players (Matt Williams, Eddie O'Sullivan laterly) and sometimes one doubts his ability to select his best starting line up (Brian Ashton). Sadly with Hadden, I doubt both. He has been in the job for 3 years now and seems to have absolutely no idea what his best 15 is NOR how he wishes them to play.

The whole situation is becoming a farce. If Hadden is still in charge come November, I will not be attending the Autumn internationals
25

AN OLD STAND-OFF,

EDINBURGH 28/03/2008 10:19:25
WHY PICK LINEEN AS A COACH WHEN HE PERSISTS IN PICKING PARKS FOR GLASGOW ALONSIDE TWO CLYDESDALE HORSES IN MORRISON & HENDERSON
26

Larry Hagman,

28/03/2008 10:38:27
This will be a step backwards in the long run as the clock is ticking for Hadden. Everybody knows he is not the man for the long term. The time for decisions is now when the supporters are not behind him and are disheartened. There is no point waiting until after tour to South America or Autumn internationals to get rid of him. Change can have a quick and positive impact - just look at Wales this year.

There is too much water under the bridge in terms of his blind faith in Parks, the Paterson saga, the 2nd XV fielded against the All Blacks and the overall lack of ambition in his tactics. All these will not be forgotten by fans who will be reluctant to shell out to watch the same old dross.

#23 - Think Hadden's record needs to be put in the context of (a) the number of wins vs. no of games played under his leadersip and (b) the quality of rugby on offer (which has been far from sparkling.

I make it 10 wins out of 30 games for Hadden, including victories over rugby giants like portugal, romania, the pacific islanders & samoa plus narrow 2 wins over italy (3 and 2 points respectively. Hardly inspiring stuff and promising of a bright future under Haddock...



2 reasonable victories against an England side who were awful on both occasions, a win vs Wales at their lowest ebb in recent years a win against the known slow starters France and a dull victory vs Italy.

This is scant return in my opinion.
27

Toast,

28/03/2008 10:51:10
Are we touring Argentina,big deal,as long as Hadden and McKie are at the helm this ship is going in circles,I feel sorry for the players but not one of them has had the guts to complain about the complete lack of preparation and tactics,we are becoming serial losers again,thank goodness for our football team who are repeatedly showing how to "punch above our weight" with good coaching and maximum effort.
28

RichW,

Borders 28/03/2008 12:03:43
You guys are off your chump if you think changing the Head Coach is going to make any long-term difference to Scottish fortunes.

Look at the figures below full International level:
Age group teams typically challenge for 9-12 place in Age Group world cups
U20s white washed in this year's 6 nations
7s regularly get to quarter finals but no further -ranked 8th
Pro teams in the Euro cup rarely get out of their group, and never to the semis
Pro teams never challenge at the sharp end of the season for Magner's league championship.
With the odd exception Scottish players abroad aren't pulling up any trees either

So why do you expect Frank to produce world beaters when at all levels Scottish Rugby is pants?

But the really annoying thing is that Scotland continues to produce good players - at 15 years old there are loads of good players around, but a combination of dire coaching and execrable player management wastes all that talent.

It's a 10 year programme to get this right - do you think McKie is the right person to do it? No, me neither.
29

Mcsense,

Embra 28/03/2008 12:10:45
I'm sure FH is a nice chap, perhaps too nice. A little bit of fear of the coach will motivate players, er em, calling Mr Telfer.
Did the SRU not put a 40% win rate during the 6N's as the prerequisit for FH continuing?
30

chiller,

Dunfermline 28/03/2008 12:13:17
Brilliant, no doubt we'll play well but lose in Argentina before losing to South Africa and New Zealand heavily but show signs of improvement when we narrowly defeat Canada at Murrayfield.

I'm sure there dusting off space in the trophy cabinet for next years wooden spoon. Pathetic.
31

lac,

Ecosse 28/03/2008 12:56:06
No surprises there then. Those words of the CE's about 'constant change' and 'tinkering with the engine' have obviously been borrowed from whatever management book he last read. The review and any actions will be constrained by Scottish Rugby's financial position. FH is not a bad coach he just needs a bit more help - not difficult to see where that can come from.
32

jamiek,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:01:16
As Mcsense states- what happened to the 2 wins from 5 which was the first target set for Hadden after the world cup? I realise there were others but surely he has fallen at the first and should now be replaced under McKie's own criteria?
33

John south of Soutra,

28/03/2008 13:04:24
I agree with Rich W, we do produce good players at the early ages but what happens to them, we currently have a decent U18 squad who have won 3 out of their 4 games so far, but the question will these guys be allowed to develop or will they be turned into hulks who cannot run or pass because our coaching hierarchy are obsessed by size.
McKie is not the person to be setting strategy for the future of Scottish Rugby as he has no background nor is he interested in the game, if was FH and the whole coaching setup would have gone as been replaced by people who had a vision to take us forward
34

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 28/03/2008 13:52:24
Exactly #29 & #32

"The governing body demanded that Scotland reach the quarter-finals of the 2011 World Cup, IMPROVE THEIR 6 NATIONS WIN RATE FROM 25% TO 40% and win the tournament at least once by 2012"

Hadden has already failed & therefore should be sacked. See link - ttp://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/18122007/4/new-contract-hadden.html
35

jockinengland,

Wakefield 28/03/2008 14:10:02
Reading the comments on this page, should tell the SRU and GM that there needs to be change. If th team were losing but played with heart and a conviction that allowed the supporters to still get behind them, there would not be as much call for change, and there would be hope. we have neither at the moment, no game plan and a No 10 that would struggle to get in to most of the lower league sides never mind the International Team. Frank Hadden cannot see this, and therefore should do the decent thing.
36

saintsman10,

london 28/03/2008 15:10:31
Just read that Gavin Hastings gives Frank Hadden full backing to carry on as Scotland coach.
37

Lone-eye,

28/03/2008 15:52:32
I went to 4 games during this shambles of a 6 Nations and certainly won't be going to the Autumn Internationals unless there is an unexpected change at the top. Hadden really has run out of ideas and is clearly short on dignity too by failing to resign. The real worry is that it will/has to get worse before it gets better. I can't wait for the moment that Hadden's prodigal son, Di Rollo ends his self imposed break and is welcomed back into the XV by an ecstatic Frank at the first opportunity! God help us.
38

Media 1,

cape town 28/03/2008 16:05:11
Hadden will fail, we all know that! When he does, please can we call for McKie's resignation and not Hadden's.

Perhaps if the people at the helm of these organisations were held accountable for their decisions, they would do what they are paid for and source the best man for the job.

Hadden is a high school coach at best! In truth the only game Scotland won this season, was the one that no manager can manage against England.
39

Dick the Dog,

Jakarta 28/03/2008 17:52:02

You pay peanuts....you get ???
40

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 18:59:06
The SRU were much quoted as saying 2 wins were a minimum in 6 nations. Or what????? More failure?

Need a new manager in by Autumn tests. We will be beaten by NZ and SA regarsdless and expect to be if full teams are playing so can hear Haddens "we take a lot of positives" already. Need to use them on someone that can take us forward - we have the players, Hadden is clueless how to use them.
41

Bordererinengland,

28/03/2008 19:26:51
I'll certainly not be at the Autumn games if this is true.
42

JEEP CHEROKEE - hot stuff in the right place,

Another burning issue in Scottish rugby.... 29/03/2008 00:31:12
Folks - all so predictable. Another SRU fudge.

We are simply wasting our time with this bunch of neanderthal masonic creeps.

Good grief!! Michty crivens. We must get rid of the entire sorry shower.

Is it true that former schoolteacher (YES - ANOTHER ONE!!!) George Jack is going to stand for re-election to the position of SRU President?

Lord save us.... Where is that plonker Smeaton, just when need him?
43

Spartan 301,

Crying in my sleep 29/03/2008 09:45:32
I believe that the Scotsman has erred in its headline here. I think it should read

"Hadden allowed to stand in the way of progress"



that is all.

 

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