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Hearts 0 - 0 Hibernian: Tame derby stalemate offers little benefit to either side

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Published Date: 09 November 2009
HEARTS needed the point more, and Hibernian were marginally happier to have settled for one, but the only real beneficiaries of this first Edinburgh derby of the season were Rangers, who are now back in second place, above Hibs, as a result.
John Hughes' prediction that both teams would try to play football was proven correct, to the surprise of those of us who have too often seen the fixture descend into a fierce physical battle, but trying and achieving are different things.

There w
ere few memorable moments from either side, both goalkeepers had quiet afternoons, and the whole affair ended up as a tame stalemate.

In the context of the clubs' previous outings, Hibs were the more disappointing team.

In the first-half they showed almost nothing of the form which had taken them to the upper reaches of the league, and although they were better after the break, they were still well below their best.

Hughes had had to recast his defence after Sol Bamba was ruled out by a knee strain suffered at training on Friday, but the back four could have passed for a unit which had been playing together all season.

Hibs' problem was further forward: Liam Miller and Kevin McBride had been under the weather during the week and were less influential than they have been of late, while Abdessalam Benjelloun was too easily muscled out of the game and Anthony Stokes was little more than a spectator.

Derek Riordan, who had been unable to start because of a foot injury, enlivened his team when he came on ten minutes into the second half. But on the whole he was well policed by Jason Thomson, the Hearts right-back who had been drafted in for his namesake Craig because of his greater defensive solidity.

In other instances, too, Hearts deserve credit for Hibs' underperformance.

In the middle of the park Michael Stewart got the better of Miller for much of the game while Ian Black had one of his liveliest outings, and further back Jose Goncalves was as surefooted in defence as any of his Hibs counterparts.

The problem, predictably for a team which has yet to get its SPL goals tally into double figures, was up front. Christian Nade held the ball up reasonably well in his role as target man, but yet again Hearts were unable to turn pressure into clear-cut openings. That will change to an extent if and when Andrew Driver regains his best form, but at present the Tynecastle team are remarkably uninventive.

Csaba Laszlo gave another airing to his claim that Hearts are "World Cup winners at creating chances" yet the assertion sounded no more credible after this game than it did when he first aired it at Riccarton two days earlier.

Hearts did have the possession and position from which they could have created chances, including several free-kicks in dangerous areas and a fair number of corners and long throw-ins, but they lacked both imagination and incision.

Their best moment of a first-half in which they steadily gained the upper hand fell to Stewart after an interchange of passes with Nade and Black, but the captain's shot went wide.

Later on in the half, a shot by Black was deflected over the bar, and then Nade was too high with a header, while at the other end Hibs' best opening came when Stokes slid in to meet a knockdown from Colin Nish.

That effort was comfortably saved by Janos Balogh, but after the break the goalkeeper was called into action more frequently.

His most memorable save came at the end of the most enterprising move of the match, when David Wotherspoon raced upfield and, on the run, unleashed a shot which Nish redirected with a glancing header.

Balogh did exceptionally well to turn the effort on to his left-hand post, then collected the loose ball before the on-rushing Nish could capitalise on the rebound.

Riordan troubled the goalkeeper a couple of times later on, but for a team who have prided themselves on their attacking line-up Hibs otherwise had little to offer.

Hearts, conversely, were at least a threat at both ends of the second-half. They had begun it at a notably increased tempo, with Driver having a run then a shot which Graham Stack collected in comfort, and they looked dangerous on occasion later on when Gary Glen came off the bench.

In the dying minutes, Stack could not gather a shot from Glen cleanly, and Jamie Mole, on for Nade, went down in the box as he pursued the loose ball alongside Hibs captain Chris Hogg.

The home support appealed for a penalty, but referee Steve Conroy declined to give the spot-kick.

Mole looked to have gone to ground as a result of his own attempt to jump over Stack rather than because of any foul contact by a Hibs player, and he later told team-mates he had not thought it was a penalty.

A goal at that stage of the game would surely have given Hearts three points rather than one, and could have led many of their supporters to hope that the result would kick-start their season. But that hope was also expressed after the Co-operative Insurance Cup win over Celtic, then dashed days later by defeat at Motherwell, and Hearts' present problems appear too deep-rooted to be eradicated any time in the very near future.

As for Hibs, it will be interesting in the coming weeks to see how they respond to their performance here.

Hughes has continually cautioned that they are only at the embryonic stages of their development as a team, and it is almost certainly too early for them to mount a sustained challenge to the Old Firm.

But they have so far done more than any other club to enliven a drab season, and neutrals as well as their own supporters will hope they can swiftly regain the panache which was conspicuous by its absence here.

MAN OF THE MATCH

Michael Stewart (Hearts)


The midfielder led by example for the home side with a bustling performance, ensuring Liam Miller and Kevin McBride got little time to settle on the ball. Channelling his energy well, he played tirelessly throughout the game.





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1

jambtastic,

09/11/2009 00:31:45
Draw fair result for 2 very average sides , how come Hibs have been highly praised this season , not any better than any other team Hearts have played this season are blown out of proportion to be a great footballing team . Hibs seemed to improve when Riorden came on and Balogh did pull of a great save although Stack looked the busier of the two keepers If Hearts had a couple of established strikers this would have been a comfortable home win for them . However untill Romanov supports Csaba to bring in a forward then they will not finish in the Europa spots this season
2

Cammy,

Edinburgh 09/11/2009 02:18:33
#1 You've accidentally answered your own question. These were not "two very average sides", they were two very poor sides playing rubbish football.

You see, I can tell when Hibs are playing poorly this season, because I've seen them playing well. You unfortunately don't have that scale to measure your team against. That's were that 11 points gap comes from. :-)

However, you are definitely correct that Hearts are seriously missing a real striker. January is still a long way off and points will not come easy without one.

What is confusing is that Hearts managed to secure 3rd place last year with almost exactly the same attacking options. Maybe you're just missing a little confidence and the right formation.
3

Aitchie,

Craig Gordon Stand 09/11/2009 04:14:43
Hearts were vastly superior to Hibs for 90% of the match, but were a complete waste of time in front of goals.

Hibs played forwards as wide midfielders and ended up with just one up front as well? They should have played to their strengths. Did they really buy Stokes to play wide-left?

I hate the one-up front when it is being used by teams who dinnae have the personnel to make it work.

Just because Chelsea can dae it, disnae mean that Hearts, Hibs, Rangers etc can dae it.

4

theguru,

09/11/2009 06:02:19
No 3. Benji had a poor game. If he'd played his role as Riorden did when he came on, it may have been a different game. Rankin also did not help matters. He is the type of player to be brought on if we are winning.

Thought wortherspoon was good again. Would be better in a more advanced role though.

Watched the celtic game and thought Falkirkk showed a lot of spirit and deserved at least the draw. Celtic were rubbish though. How much wis Fortune again?



5

IwishIhadmybruvvashair,

Out from behind the settee 09/11/2009 06:12:56
Good fair article that one.

We are awful up front and I was disappointed with Hibs, not that good on Saturday.

#2 - Cammy - we have played well this season. Killie at home was a good game 1-0 but could have been a lot more if we had a striker or two. Other games we have played well we have usually had ten men (United away and Motherwell away).

I think confidence will change if we can start scoring but, sorry, cant see where they are coming from. We never made your keeper make a save and most of our attempts on goal were from outside the box.

We will keep chasing you lot though!!!!
6

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 09/11/2009 07:19:01
We live in hope. We have to hope goals will come, but do we really create enough chances. Do we get enough players in box to take chances. We allow defences to recover quickly. We look for goal scorers in team and hope maybe Templeton and Elliot will score goals. Santana can score goals and more will come from him and he was missed as attacking option. We also need a midfielder to run the show, Aguiar was our biggest loss in years. Stewart is ok playing his own gamee but not someone who can produce extraordinary. Driver is no better than last season. so what are the coaches doing. His final ball can be a let down and often shoots when pass could be more productive. Nade may havehad a few good games but he is like another midfielder. He is a striker so must get in a position to strike more often. If we are going to play Glen bring him on at start.
7

TOTT,

09/11/2009 07:20:40
article fairly sums up the game incl ponting out the obvious innacuracy of CSABAS 'excuses'.....the quality(lack of) of our strikers is undeniable but who and how we deploy what we have is inept.

Glen should be playing .....Nade recently has worked hard/played better but MUST have a strike partner.....do we work on free kickes/corners etc?.....you would not think so.

Elliot,Suso & (in particular) Templetons return will improve our attacking options and we will climb the league.

HHGH
8

macdiarmid,

09/11/2009 07:20:44
#1 Too many IFs for my liking, fact is both teams were dross. Sure you can say if Hearts had strikers..... equally if Hibs had fit Bamba, Zemmama and Riordan it might have been entirely different. The teams took the field with the formations dictated by their managers/coaches and the display from both sides was pathetic.
9

TOTT,

09/11/2009 07:29:13
#6 agree..... biggest difference from last year is CSABA ...last season his enthusiasm rubbed off on the players this season his negativity is doing the same.The resultant bad performances are exposing his lack of tactical awareness.Further Aguier is a massive loss but Drivers form has been poor/Obua has went backwards(clear attitude problem/csaba should have dropped him weeks ago) and CSABA continues to leave out Glen ....playing anyone incl Bouzid(it was a joke experiment that he repeated!)instead of him....talk of a bad attitude is hard to accept when he plays NADE/OBUA .
10

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 09/11/2009 07:45:26
Csaba goes on about young players not good enough. But how many youngsters have had a game apart from a few minutes. Wallace and Driver maybe youung but are experienced players. Craig Thomson has shown he has the ability. So has Jason. Novikovas didn't have a bad game and will improve. So let us see Templeton when fit and Johnny Stewart on from the start. Templeton up front with Glen. They do play well together. I think Csaba has lost interest now
11

Walter Ego,

Durness 09/11/2009 07:46:48
A dreadful game beteween two very limited sides.
12

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 09/11/2009 07:54:51
Before he came to Hearts I believe I read something about Obua scoring goals, who against Capetown under 5s. Nade a striker I was to believe, was that with Greggs in Sunday League. Wittenbeen a striker, probably with Austrian Post Office.
13

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 09/11/2009 07:58:55
Opinions asked "Who is better centre back, Bouzid or Jonsson".
14

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 09/11/2009 08:18:06
#1 - Average for what? SPL?? I hope not or professional football in Scotland will not last much longer. I gave up my season ticket as didn't want to watch another season of endeavour at the back and midfield and nothing upfront.

9 goals in 11 games!!! 1 more than Falkirk at the bottom. Celtic are taking criticism for their play, yet have scored 23 in same number of games.

Never mind, about to enter yet another transfer window (7th, 8th, 9th???) where yet again everyone will anticipate Romanov must invest in a striker and that will distract from performances on the pitch.

15

Paladoon,

09/11/2009 08:22:43
Interesting to see all the comments about Hearts needing a striker. Well we all know that but let's be honest, if that is the reason Hearts are failing then the report above would have listed the numerous chances missed by their players. Hearts dominated possession but showed little imagination as they pumped high balls and throw-ins into the Hibs' box. A midfield with so much possession created few chances and begs the lie to Csaba'a world cup comments.

As a Hibby I thought we were poor but could have won the game with the best quality strikes at goal in what was a dull match. Hearts probably desrved to win because of their possession, Michael Stewart was outstanding, and defensively I thought Goncalves and the much-maligned Bouzid strolled through most of the game. Hibs best players were also defensive ones such as Hogg and Murray.

Finally, this game showed Hearts to be a competent side but they do not have the guile to pick apart teams who play solidly at the back and that will lose them a significant amount of points this season.
16

Edinburghs Only Big Team!,

Tynecastle 09/11/2009 08:35:48
Just wanted to make my point about celtic fans appaling behavour! I am ashamed to have them in scottish football & to be honest I would love for them to leave because it would mean not having they scumbags as fans coming to my football ground.

17

Northern Hibby.,

09/11/2009 08:39:23
I thought it was an entirely dull 90 minutes from two evenly matched teams on the day. In fact, the match could still be going and and I would not bet against the score still being 0-0. The only real highlight for me was when Wotherspoon skipped over Mikey and left him on his herse. Stewart however, was the only quality player on show though.
18

Iain Mac,

09/11/2009 08:48:36
ON Saturday's performance, as well as previous results against Hamilton and St Johnstone in the cup, shows that Hibs have a long way to go before challenging for 2nd place. For Hibs, this must've been an opportunity lost against a poor and non-scoring Hearts.

Hearts - good effort but with one striker - Nade! - up front...?
19

Backofthenet,

09/11/2009 08:53:34
How ironic that the photo on the main football page is of Celtic players observing the minute's silence for the war dead when an element of Celtic fans disrupted that silence with a sectarian song (muted by Sky to spare their viewers):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5y2-U6Ll1Q
20

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 09/11/2009 08:55:28
#15 as a jambo i agree with your summary.

Michael Stewart man of the match by a country mile though, I'm sure there are a lot of jambos feeling pretty stupid right now
21

Aitchie,

Craig Gordon Stand 09/11/2009 09:20:15
Too much agreement between Jambos and Hibbies here.

Something's going wrong.


Umm, 1902? 22 in a two? Riordan is a scr0te?

Or indeed, tick tock, PBS, fax machine etc.
22

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 09:21:02
A decent win for a Rangers team containing one 17 and one 18 year old. A team of genuine talents developed at Murray Park, the "impossible dream" could be becoming reality...
23

DublinHibs DublinHibs,

09/11/2009 09:27:48
Have to agree with the majority of comments on here, no excuses from us, we simply didnt turn up. Mikey Syewart was easily the man of the match. No ifs or but regarding players out, Hibs were brutal, Stokes plating wide when he is a CENTRE FORWARD. Benji, dont know if he was actually there, Nish......well he may just be the answer for the jambos, you can have him for free.

Thought wee spoony at the back was excellent again,as was stevenson, and that was about it for me. Yogi can we just have 4-4-2 with riordan and stokes playing through the middle please, if you want wingers, play zouma and galbraith FFS!!! Bring on Benji or nish if you feel you need to do so, or drop stokes who seems to be still a little short of sharpness.

Stack
spoony
hogg
bamba
murray

Miller
Mcbride
Zouma
Galbraith

Stokes
Riordan

Bench: Benji, Stevenson, Byrne, Cregg, Thicot, maka.

Nish tata, rankin tata
24

Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 09:28:18
#19 The dark side of Scottish football rears its ugly head once again.

Shame on Sky for blanking out the sectarian chants from some Celtics "fans".

At least the angry response from the Falkirk fans were heard loud & clear.

25

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 09:47:33
#24 FW

Shameful antics by an element of the Celtic fans, they brought shame on themselves and their club. However, let us all be aware of the current government's agenda of conflating the current illegal wars with the noble stand our forebears made for freedom. Respect and honour the memories of those who have fallen in the name of their country; question the motives of the politicians who put them in the line of fire.
26

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 10:03:36
I watched the Chelsea Vs ManU game yesterday, an enjoyable top of the table romp. Half of the facsination is what the players MIGHT do, rather than what they actually do. It also occurred to me that the only players currently in the Scottish game who could play at this level are all at Rangers.
27

Dragonlord,

09/11/2009 10:09:50
19# Have to agree, sad also that this paper won't allow comments on the Celtic game either! Peter lawell shaking his head on film confirms that Sky muted the sound. The fact remains, this scurvy mob want to move to Englandshire and they should be allowed to. Then see how long they last with their bile! Hibs fans see the meeting at the clock as a Hearts thing and claim we are highjacking the armistice because our players went to war. They too forget Hibs players joined them and many Hibs fans have died since. There were also Hibs fans at Tynie, laying wreaths and they are there every year( at the clock). Well done to them!
28

troonjambo,

Troon 09/11/2009 10:13:00
I was listening to the Falkirk v Celtic game on radio Scotland via the internet with some English friends down here in Manchester. Disgraceful behaviour from some of the Celtic fans. The fact that they may have been outside the ground is irrelevant. They were clearly audible on the coverage we listened to. Embarrassing!

In addition - I'm afraid I can't take any criticism of the Celtic fans by Rangers fans seriously considering how some of them have also embarrassed Scottish football over the last couple of seasons.

For what it's worth I think that exposing these ignorant people would do more good for the Scottish game than consistently having their behaviour covered up by the Scottish media - not to mention SKY.
29

Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 10:14:38
#25 Well said.
Be sure that if it had been Rangers fans acting in that way at Falkirk, the media would have had a field day. Grahame Spiers would have written and spoken about it ad nausium. A dozen Rangers fans fight with stewards in Romania & around 40+ Celtic fans chant sick songs during a minutes silence. Both shameful acts but only one is highlighted by the media.
Why?
30

Uninterested Spectator,

09/11/2009 10:47:57
So the derby told us very few things that most people who don't have their head stuck in the sand already know.

1. Hibs league placing is way higher than the individual or collective ability of the players and management. Hibs never had a genuine shot on target in the first 45 minutes and midway through the second half hearts had 15 and hibs had 2. Hughes showed that he is no better a manager than he was a few months ago when falkirk avoid relegation with a penalty 15 minutes from time in the last game of the season.

2. Hearts are probably better than their league placing sugguests but probably not much better. Selecting the best players in their best positions, not playing defensive midfielders as right backs or central defenders as lone strikers. If Laszlo stops plays stupid games and gets on with his job giving the correct level of commitment and worked to improve all the players not just those he feels deserve his attentions morale would soar and they would climb in the league.
31

macdiarmid,

09/11/2009 10:52:13
Never thought that football grounds, prior to a match, were the correct place to honour those that have fallen in the service of their country. There are a number of commemaritive events that those that want to attend can attend. Bringing this to an football arena only opens up the potential for embarrasing disruption as witnessed on numerous occasions and also gives the opportunity for petty point scoring as demonstrated by some of the posts here when neither position can be justified. What makes football so special as to think that this outlet is more appropriate rather than other sporting gatherings or indeed entertainment events that take place around this time.
32

Uninterested Spectator,

09/11/2009 11:01:05
Does anybody actually think that sky muted the volume to "save their viewers" or because they have a rather comfortable relationship with celtic?

Celtic fans seem to be under the impression they can act in whatever vile manner they want and they will never be pulled up for it.

Its not just Rememberence Sunday but their behaviour at every away game, town or city they play in. Every been at an airport or ferry terminal when those fans have been travelling through? or a train before / after a celtic game? The media are encouraged not to do any / much reporting on any incidents regarding these people as it would be unhelpful.

Uefa have tried to investigate the issue but because celtic are an establishment team and as such get certain protections. Uefa have encouraged the scottish executive to do something about this and the social conditions that drive this rubbish but past executives have either turned a blind eye or they have been warned off this by various bodies and told they would loose votes at the next election.
33

macdiarmid,

09/11/2009 11:21:13
#32 Seems to be a bit one sided or have you never witnessed the bahaviour of other football supporters on their way to away games? This includes the Tartan Army (of which I have been one on a number of occasions) and witnessed some unacceptable antics that seem to be overlooked as high spirits etc. Don't think playing football and battering a ball against windows etc in a city town square is sensible behaviour do you. This example is one of the lesser incidents but one that can be printed.
34

Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 11:25:38
Back to the fitba...
Hibs proved again that they have the gumption to finish in the top 3 after away points at Ibro & Tynecastle.

Rangers proved that in Chris Boyd they have a player capable of scoring his way to another title.

Celtic proved that they cant defend properly and are unlikely to win anything this season.
35

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 11:26:35
#33 Mac

Agreed. The Tartan Army are nothing more than shameful drunks dressed in CU Jimmy costumes.
36

big bucks,

09/11/2009 11:27:41
It seems all fans have their idiots.

"Hearts fans shame Edinburgh around the world

A seemingly large section of the Hearts support jeered and shouted obscene comments before the kick-off of yesterday’s cup semi-final against Celtic during what was supposed to be a one minute’s silence for the Pope. Hearts had issued an instruction on Friday to fans, asking them to observe and respect the one-minute silence.

The booing and jeering was so bad that referee Stuart Dougal cut short the ‘minute’s silence’ after just over 20 seconds.
37

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 11:29:28
#34 FW

Let's be honest. Rangers are there for the taking this season, but the other teams are so dire that another treble is on the cards. Celtic have a rotten manager and a p!sh squad, the gap will continue to grow until both these fundamental problems are addressed.
38

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 11:33:24
#36 BB

Agreed. Most of the Hertz fans are Pringle wearing misogynists with a low IQ. They are like Dundonians but with a higher cost of living, a recipe for disaster.
39

swansong,

penicuik 09/11/2009 12:10:33
38. very reasoned and articulate opinion- i dont think.
36. quite right, every club has its "locos" unfortunately for glasgows big two, the world manages to move on whereas an alarming number on both sides of the divide either cant or dont want too.
take your comment for instance- when did this happen -5=6 years ago? no excuse but highlights my point.
40

big bucks,

09/11/2009 12:15:25
#38 The myth that Sectarianism is a west of scotland and celtic and rangers problem is a complete and utter joke.

The booing of the pope was only four and a half years ago.This was not a minority and it certainly has not changed in the four years since.

Have a wee look at this nice wee Hearts FC loyal site.
http://www.bebo.com/c/profile?TUUID=6c2a30a2-5fd5-48ec-90c7-9863b2a04a0d&MemberId=8326157250

As i said earlier all fans have their idiots.
41

Go Gorgie Dalry,

09/11/2009 12:22:55
#40 Will the Celtic fans be wanting a minutes silence for the Islamic or Buddhist leaders when they pass away?

Nope, so Hearts fans shouldn't have had to be put through a minutes silence for ANY religious leader either.

The war dead is one thing, but religious leaders should not be honoured at football matches.
42

swansong,

penicuik 09/11/2009 12:23:01
40- agreed not entirely a west of scotland problem. however, such division sems to be tolerated if not accepted by both RFC and CFC. wonder why?
43

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09/11/2009 12:27:14
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big bucks,

09/11/2009 12:28:28
#41 I don't think there should be any minutes silence for anyone or anything.

As you have just proved everyone has their own opinion of who or what should be respected.
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09/11/2009 12:29:02
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Invictager,

Kent 09/11/2009 12:31:39
Alternatively why do we not just stop talking about it. All we do by the constant point scoring is give the moronic element publicity.

Inside the ground/outside the ground - who cares.

Maybe we should try talking about football.
47

Salvatori,

09/11/2009 12:33:46
Excuses, excuses... "but you did this"... "and you did that"... precisely why no one can engage with the half wits in serious discussion on this matter.

In any instance, this kind of behaviour is wrong. End of.
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Go Gorgie Dalry,

09/11/2009 12:34:14
#44 Very true.

The way I see it is the war dead are men and women who fought for our freedom. They deserve everyone in this countries respect and should be honoured as they are.

Perhaps you are right though that a game of footy is not the arena for this sort of thing to take place at.



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IVOR CUTLASS,

09/11/2009 12:45:51
This issue raising its ugly little head is as welcome as the first Xmas ad on T.V.
Same shoite EVERY year!A non story for Daily Mail readers who want to feel permanently aggrieved at something.Now can we mothball our moral outrage until Guy Fawkes night next year?

Ok on to the Footie.A terrible performance from my beloved Hoops yesterday.What is going on in big T's mind is anyones guess.I've more chance of winning the Euro lottery than working out his team selection.

Time to give us some answers Tony...
50

troonjambo,

Troon 09/11/2009 12:54:15
Oh dear. Let's see if I can make this clear.

I accept that all clubs can have a section of their support that behave in an embarrassing way. I unfortunately include Hearts in that. However, the point I try to make is that in the time since I was a teenager (a long time ago) the proportion of Hearts fans that believe that Tynecastle is a place where any religious or bigotted chanting should be acceptable has reduced drastically.

The consistent claim that it's only a minority of Old Firm fans at away games who indulge in chanting the things we don't like is, to those who attend these fixtures, clearly a false one.
I would respectfully claim that for most other teams it is fair to claim that those behaving like this (even if they are die-hards)are in the minority and reducing in number - thank goodness.

It just irritates me that we, that is Scottish football fans, are still even having to discuss this matter so regularly in the 21st century.

The peole who gave their lives during the conflicts we remember at this time should be remembered irrespective of their race or religious beliefs (and there were many). Sometimes a little respect should be shown by everyone. Surely remembering their sacrifice is more important than our present-day football club rivalries?
51

Kenny Boy,

09/11/2009 13:00:04
Just a point, was the Celtic game not on ESPN? Poor Sky getting a hard time of it
52

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 13:00:56
#49

The "Moggadon Out!" campaign gathers pace! Not like you to follow the herd Swordy...
53

MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 13:03:01
#51 KB

ESPN is owned by Disney you know, they must have enjoyed showing a Mickey Mouse team like Celtic...

54

Invictager,

Kent 09/11/2009 13:05:15
#53
On Disney there is usually only 1 Dopey not 11.
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Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 13:06:37
#43
You are correct in saying the minutes silence was held inside the ground & not outside.

However the lowlife nondescripts gathered outside knew exactly what they were doing by singing pro-terrorist songs.

Thats the big difference between the old firm fans.

Rangers have some idiots following them as do many other clubs.

Celtic appear however, to have an organised political element within the ranks & they sould be weeded out, named & shamed & banned from football asap.

Celtic FC must know who these people are & should be seen to be acting "without fear or favour" as their chairman likes to say.
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MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 13:07:41
#54

With Dopey McGeady, Snoozy Maloney and Grumpy MacDonald celtic are well on the way to a decent 7 dwarves. With Samaras as Snow White of course...
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 13:08:06
49 Swordy

He did give you answers, the players were tired. After 11 league matches. lol
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IVOR CUTLASS,

09/11/2009 13:08:27
Mag...I'm not wanting to punt the guy..I just want a cogent reason for his team selections...;@)
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Invictager,

Kent 09/11/2009 13:10:11
#56
Thought Samaras was more of a wicked queen.
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Invictager,

Kent 09/11/2009 13:11:35
And Caldwell would oviously be Bashful(NOT)
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MagnumOpusium,

09/11/2009 13:11:39
#58

We are agreed on the fact he should stay. What job is "manager in waiting" Neil Lardon doing at the club these days?
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Rolland,

09/11/2009 13:11:57
You would struggle to tell what side needs a striker, for all the hot air about the hibs attack, I can honestly say I wasn't at any point worried they would scored. A no stage did I feel we would lose a goal far less the game.

How that shower of Hobo keeck were in 2nd is beyond me, such a poor league if that is what got you to 2nd spot.
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IVOR CUTLASS,

09/11/2009 13:13:27
Dman...It's a well known fact that those at Celtic find it difficult to get a minutes peace....;@)
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Invictager,

09/11/2009 13:13:30
#62
Finally the penny drops!
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IVOR CUTLASS,

09/11/2009 13:18:09
#65..Broad Chapel,if you dont mind.............
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 13:18:12
63

Swordy or s...... lol
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 13:23:54
Hearts like Celtic coped well on the weekend each managing to get a point from their matches.

For entertainment value the Falkirk match yesterday was good for the neutrals to watch. Its not often we see a 2nd half goal rush as we did yesterday.
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Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 13:35:07
#65 I said Celtic have "an element within the ranks".
This may only be 40 odd people but they are a problem.

Otherwise why was Mr Lawwell shaking his head before kick-off?

Maybe he had he just heard the team sheet?

I dont know & dont care who Aiden McAnespie is or was & please dont fill me in. All I know is he probably has nothing at all to do with football
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big is the new small,

09/11/2009 13:48:41
#33 + #35
the tartan army have endured some awful scenarios with security and stadium access in recent years (i.e. Kiev and Skopje) but it doesn't make decent law abiding people begin a rammy and start paggering stewards and police.

i guess the reason for this is the fact that all the OF fans are off causing bother supporting Eire and England. the Scotland support are so much happier without this weedgie thug element and you're most welcome to them.

can't wait for the crime count in Sevilla.........
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Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 14:00:34
#73 Ah the good old tertin ermy.

Maybe I should hand back my chunk of Wembley cross bar from 1977?

After all, that pitch invading, turf digging, crossbar snapping, kilt raising malarky was just a bit of tartan army highjinks back then.

Changed days indeed. Half the Scotland fans from that weekend in 77 would now be on asbos or the sex offenders register.

Changed days.
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macdiarmid,

09/11/2009 15:51:03
#73 By your reference to my post at 33 you seem to be under the assumption that I am either a Celtic or Rangers fan which I am not. I have been with the tartan army on many occasions (as you might have picked up if you read the post fully) and I have witnessed incidents that were not reported back home. Are you seriously saying that you have not experienced any trouble at Scotland games? If so you must have been sleeping. My point was that most teams experience problems with fans on "away" trips normally due to the levels of booze consumed and this is not a problem solely associated with the old firm.
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DGSEVILLE2,

Northants 09/11/2009 15:51:14
It is what I feared a small number of Celtic fans, around 40 I believe, have embarrassed the club and me as a fellow supporter of over 40 years.

I'm sick a tired of the small but vocal minority high-jacking the club for their political ends. Personally if Celtic do have the information that would ban these people from getting any official Celtic tickets I wish the club would do so.

Nevertheless how dare anybody on here score points by comparing what is basic rudeness and ignorance of some Celtic fans to the thuggish and violent behaviour of another small but active group of Rangers fans.
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Fowlin Wolf,

09/11/2009 16:14:40
#76 You were doing so well there until your last paragraph. Cant resist the old point scoring eh?

I doubt that Rangers fans actually plan to go out & cause trouble but some definately react in an unseemly fashion in certain situations.

Im sure some Celtic fans would have acted similarly in Manchester or Romania given the same situation.

Scottish society being what it is, there is always a risk of ugly scenes developing in particular situations.

Take a walk up Sauchiehall Street on a Friday night.


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DGSEVILLE2,

Northants 09/11/2009 16:26:28
OK I don't want a debate on this but you are ignoring the fact, these are that Gers fans have a history of causing trouble on their travels, Celtic do not and Celtic are not under threat of playing their next game behind closed doors.
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Dragonlord,

09/11/2009 16:37:42
36# Get your fact right! The minute's silence for the Pope at the semi was a fit up! Hearts and every other team had held a munites silence, and the semi was over a week after the pope had died. The minute was a cop out for the Celtic fans. There was no need for it and that was why the Hearts fans were not silent. Nothing to do with respect.
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what a chancer,

freezin 09/11/2009 17:14:18
if you play one upfront then you can ask the other five midfielders to support but they lack skill, flair and effort for it to work.to many flirting in and out of the game to take advantage,more often lack of ball awareness and positioning thus type of player just hangs around doing a shift now and again.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 17:31:20
#55 What "pro-terrorist" song do you speak of?

The fans inside the ground were remembering many innocent people killed by the horrors of war.
The fans outside the ground were remembering a totally innocent man shot dead by a British soldier whilst he was passing through a checkpoint on his way to a football match.
This very year the British government apologised to the McAnespie family for the killing of their son by a British soldier.
Now! what pro-terrorist song do you speak of?


Or are you just another one of the uninformed bigots who blight the Scottish landscape?
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Irish National Lenny Army,

09/11/2009 18:02:17
82

Hi Liberty, you are correct in what you say that it was NOT a pro-terrorist song that those outside the Falkirk Stadium were singing. But why were they singing it? Why did they just not observe the silence?

Also what has Aiden McAnespie got to do with Celtic FC?

These "idiots" who created the noise during the minutes silence should have their season tickets withdrawn for bringing the club's name into disrepute.

FFS Celtic players and fans died in those wars, including my own Grandfather. They were fighting not just for Britain but for the greater good against Nazism - a far worse evil than the British could ever be.

Those people who chanted outside are not Celtic fans. They are a complete and utter disgrace to Celtic FC.



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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:16:10
#83

Your best post this year.

Wouldnt be hard but still, well done.

ps, Liberty at #82 obviously thinks its okay to disrupt the minutes silence as long as you stand just outside the stadium.

Aye, okay then.
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Irish National Lenny Army,

09/11/2009 18:21:25
84

Thanks, now it's your turn to better it if you can. I won't hold my breath.

Watch yer step noo or I'll set young Ryan on you. LOL
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:27:30
#85

Oh thats right, the character you made up the day you were getting owned on here left right and centre.

You're having a laugh if you honestly expect people to believe that one.

You're a very strange man.
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Invictager,

Kent 09/11/2009 18:28:47
Tim
In view of your statements the other day can I suggest Lazarus as a new user name.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:32:16
Im sneaking a wee listen to the Real Radio football phone in.

Its good stuff.

If you're a Rangers fan!
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:35:23
Ok Invictager you win.
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:35:56
Pundit best to listen to Radio Clyde
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:36:02
Tim, whats your thoughts on news that the Youtube video was NOT doctored and it was actually Sky who altered the sound?

The Youtube video is the REAL version.
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:36:38
Invictager

Lazarus is already in use, hence A man called...
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:37:38
#90


I'll maybe listen to the replay on the website before i go to sleep.

Hugh Keevins is brilliant isnt he? Can you believe he's a Celtic man? lol
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:38:27
91

The YouTube vid was doctored as was the Sky coverage.

Only 40 fans or so were disgracing Celtic.

Incidentally I wish sky would mute the Rangers fans at every game when they sing all the vile stuff from pretty much start to finish.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 18:38:50
#83 INLA.
Completely agree with you. I would go further and completely discourage Religious and political comemorations inside football grounds.
Lets just use the churches, cenotaphs or the public parks for displays such as we witnessed yesterday inside a football ground.
Keep politics and religion out of football.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:40:39
#94

The Youtube video is real, Tim.

Shocking.

ps, 40 or so fans? Okay so we've went from "One or two shouts" yesterday to "40 or so" today.

What will it be tomorrow? The real number, maybe?
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:41:16
93

Real Radio used to be pretty good but half the time they are talking about Roughie's singing and rapping with Euan's drooling over the babes on the website - it's become too pornographic instead of sticking to football chat.

Euan is also very annoying. And as for Keevins, well it's what people will do to keep their job. He's gone the same way as Charlie Nick, Andy Walker and Davie Provan - sycophancy in the extreme.
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:42:22
96

What is the YOUTube's video source?

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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 18:45:44
95

This tradition of showing respect to the fallen at football matches has been going on for a very long time.

Why should that tradition be stopped because of a few idiots who could not keep quiet for 60 seconds.

Well done to both sets of supporters/players inside the park yesterday for showing their respect.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:45:54
#98

Its from a foreign channel who were showing the game live. Unlike Sky Sports, they didnt turn the sound down.

Cant argue with that, Tim.
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 18:47:44
96 pundit

Time for both sides to stop the point scoring on two forgettable incidents in the past week.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 18:51:53
#101

I agree.

Just correcting Tim on his view of the incident then we can move on.
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:52:25
95

Can't agree more with you Liberty. But I don't think

I did find it strange yesterday watching Man U v Chelsea and when the minutes silence came up the cameras panned and stopped at Michael Ballack (a german). What must his thoughts have been at having to observe such a silence when his country lost almost 3 times as many people than the British and US combined in WW2?
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:54:37
103

Sorry I meant to say

"Can't agree more with you Liberty but I don't think those so called Celtic fans should have behaved that way"
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 18:56:30
#103 Tim, You shock me! Are you really trying to tell me that the British killed someone and actually fired a shot in anger?

There goes the British halo .
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 18:58:41
#99 pundit/ daillyman.....same person

rumbled
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 18:59:26
102

So pundit you believe some foreign channel. Who put it the vid up? I bet it was a Rangers fan? I bet he doctored it. It was obviously a propaganda piece.

But whether he did or didn't it has been widely reported that it was 40 fans in all the press and when I spoke to fans who were there yesterday they told me it was between 30-40 fans. I can't argue with eyewitnesses and only an idiot would.

Regardless of the precise facts, their behaviour was a disgrace and embarrassment. End of.

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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:01:56
106

lol
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 19:03:37
105

Liberty, the British have an appalling record of atrocities. Everyone knows that, it's been well documented. But none of them were as bad or as evil as Nazism.

Liberty think of Celtic legend Peter Johnstone and what his family must have thought yesterday.

Peter Johnstone was a pre-war Celtic legend who had played for Celtic 223 times and was one of the players who won the league 6 times in a row under Willie Maley. Peter joined the 6th Battalion of the Seaforth Highlanders. He died on the 16/05/1917, when his regiment were told to capture a chemical factory as part of the Battle of Arras. In the 2 day battle it was reported 43 died, 26 missing and 51 wounded, although he among the missing, rumours of his death were spread around Glasgow which were confirmed on 06/06/1917. His name is engraved on the Arras Memorial.

Do you think Peter Johnstone Celtic Legend's family deserved that yesterday.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 19:04:45
#107

Tim, the video isnt doctored. Id say it was more than 30-40. Was your mate standing outside the stadium during the minute silence?

Anyway, Sky shouldnt have muted the audio as the rest of Britain deserves to see what a disgrace a minority of Celtic fans are.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:05:37
#107 INLA.
I must hand it to you, you know how to handle an apology.
Unlike pundit/daillyman, who said of the rioting rangers thugs the other night,
"it was wrong, but the police should not have provoked them"

Big difference in diplomacy, eh! lol!
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:06:04
109

Well said
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:08:00
111

Could you please bring up the post where I said "it was wrong but the police should not have provoked them"

You and the truth seem to be miles apart as usual.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:08:26
#109 No!
I could not help but look at the war monger, super loyalist John Reid and he trying to look the part of peace maker. lol!
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 19:09:42
Or Liberty what about Celtic player and former miner William Angus.

William Angus played for Celtic and was awarded the Victoria Cross in 1915. He was awarded this medal for his bravery and valour in saving Lt James Martin who was lying a few feet from the German line. However, he lost an eye, damaged a foot and was wounded 40 times in the process. When he came home to Scotland he was given a hero's welcome and was always a guest of honour in major football matches.

Don't you think it was wrong that the cretins could not keep quiet for 60 seconds and instead chose to disrespect the memory of William Angus and many other Celtic players and fans who died?
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:10:26
113. Daillyman.
You said it when you were using your other name......pundit.

Is your memory failing?

Rumbled!
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:12:59
116

Again, proof please.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:13:44
#115 Just imagine the response to those names you have just mentioned if they were to be read out on a roll of honour at Ibrox.Would there be silence?
NO! there would not be silent respect.
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 19:13:47
110

As I said only an idiot would try and argue with eyewitnesses. Thanks for proving what we always suspected.

BINNED.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:14:24
#117 Rumbled and you know it.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:16:08
#112 pundit, agreeing with Tim, now that is something! lol!
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:16:29
120

Whatever you say LV. lol
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:17:49
I notice that "pundit" seems to have gone off the radar while his other alias, Daillyman, does the talking.


RUMBLED BIG TIME! lol!
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:22:08
#125 Tim.
Dont worry, you can carry on your chat with Daillyman.
Same person. lol!
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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 19:23:04
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Young Ryan is a wee bit restless these days. He is itching to come onto my laptop and start playing "Baaaa Baaaa" with pundit again. He enjoyed that little game, shame pundit never. Still pundit did carry on posting to Ryan for almost two hours, so he must have enjoyed some of it. LOL
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:24:49
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Still waiting for you to pull up the post you mentioned.

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A man called Lazarus ,

09/11/2009 19:25:48
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I long suspected Brian and BE were the same guy. And also Ninny and Pundit were one and the same.

I don't think Brian is Pundit but I am sure he has another alias. I am also sure Brian is a Premium Member of this site and gets preferential from the mods. But hey ho, so what? Let's just enjoy the debate regardless of who is who.

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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:28:06
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2 user names in the years I have been here Tim.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:32:04
#127 LOL!
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 19:32:22
#119

Tim, your mate would only know how many it was if he was standing outside the stadium during the minutes silence.

BINNED? I thought your new putdown was "NAILED" or did you realise that that was actually a homosexual comment? Thanks for taking the hint that im straight. As i've said, Vinny is your best bet.

ps, For the record, i work from 11am-7pm so if im not on for a while between 7pm-7:30pm its because im making my way home. And i dont disappear or run away at around 9:45pm, its just the time i need to log off.

pps, Liberty Machine, stop talking rubbish.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 19:34:06
#128 Pundit/ Daillyman



Later! (RUMBLED) LOL!
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 19:35:34
#129

Tim, im not Ninenro, i can assure you.

I've never had two usernames on the go at the same but i suspect you do and i know for a fact Liberty Valance does.

I dont think Dailly has two usernames and i dont think Vinny does either. There's no need for it and you'd have to be sad to think its a good idea.
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:36:41
Liberty Valance as usual spouts rubbish on a forum, is asked to prove his comments by listing the post he mentioned.

As usal LV is p!shing into the wind.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 19:38:49
Dailly

So you're a premium member of the site and get preferential treatment from the mods! lol

How did you manage that? Who do i have to speak to in order to get that?

Just kidding.

Paranoia at its finest from Tim.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 19:40:07
#135

Just another in his long list of lies.

He does himself no favour on here.
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:41:51
136

Be civil. lol

The second half of the Falkirk v Celtic was entertaining to watch, 6 goals in the last 45 minutes, more matches should be like that for the people to watch.
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Daillyman,

09/11/2009 19:42:35
137

But he is good runner.
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GRMpundit,

09/11/2009 19:51:46
#138

Yeah, i really enjoyed the game. I thought the penalty should have been a free kick on the edge of the box. McGeady really should have scored the rebound after he missed.
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oderint dum metuant,

09/11/2009 20:59:38
rasellick more than made up for the shameful behaviour of some of their imbecile supporters with 90 minutes of pure comedy.
dinnae be too harsh oan thum
keep up the good work 'big tone' - looking more beleagured by the game
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Invictager,

Kent 09/11/2009 21:19:02
If anyone thinks Mowbray and Smith have problems what about Benitez.

Spent hundreds of millions,signed 76 players and has ended up with a sh it team reliant on 2 players.

Been saying for the last couple of years the guy is a grade A chancer and at last everyone else is on to him.

Why oh why did they let him sign another contract.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 22:58:22
#141 Why would Rangers supporters be insulted by someone throwing a flag at them which has the colour orange on it? The Irish flag is Green white and Orange.
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Liberty Valance,

09/11/2009 23:05:55
#141 LOL !

Excellent stuff!

 

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