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Hearts talk up Berra, while Hibs say Jones staying put



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Published Date: 09 January 2009
CSABA Laszlo believes that speculation surrounding their possible departure from Hearts could have unsettled some of his young players and contributed to their sub-standard display against Motherwell on Wednesday night.
He also believes – as he explained at length at a press conference yesterday to preview Sunday's Homecoming Scottish Cup match against Hibernian – that Christophe Berra, the club captain, is capable of playing in Germany or Italy.

Laszlo appeared not to notice the irony of adding his own speculation to that from outsiders, and to be fair he did not blame anyone for deliberately unsettling his players. Even so, it was curious that, having seen some of his team appear distracted in the 1-0 defeat at Fir Park, he should then indulge in the very habit which brought about that distraction.

The manager's praise of Berra, who has already attracted the interest of some English clubs, has to be regarded as a sign that Hearts are willing to cash in one of their most valuable assets.

It has been known for some time that they will listen to any reasonable offer for Laryea Kingston, the Ghanaian midfielder, but it is only more recently that they have made public comments which indicate their willingness to do a deal over Berra.

On a couple of occasions in recent weeks Laszlo has said it is a source of pride to him to have players linked with bigger clubs. Yesterday, though, he was the one doing the linking, as he traced Berra's development over the past six months from scepticism to sophistication.

"Christophe is a very talented player, and definitely his talent is enough to play in the national team," Laszlo said of his captain, who has played for Scotland but has yet to establish himself as a first choice for George Burley. "He can play in the First Bundesliga, he can play in England and he can also play in Italy.

"I tell you why. He is the one player who tactically learns very quickly. He was very sceptical at first – when I came to the club Christophe was the most sceptical player I saw in my life. I told him what he must do tactically, and at first he did not believe me. Then he learned so quickly.

"For me, Italian football is always the highest tactically, and I think he can play there. I have said you must do what I tell you, and then you can play in Italy."

With Marius Zaliukas, Christos Karipidis and Eggert Jonsson all able to play at centre-back, the departure of Berra would not necessarily weaken Hearts too much. Indeed, the money generated by the sale of the captain could end up by more than compensating for his loss if it helps Laszlo get what he needs above all – a striker who can score more than the odd goal.

"I think and I hope soon I can get a striker," continued the manager, whose plans have been hampered by a succession of injuries to the Danish target man Mike Tullberg, a summer signing who has so far been able to play no more than the occasional game. "Christian Nade has only scored once this season and so has Jamie Mole, but I try to make a tactic in which everyone is dangerous. With tactical discipline we can keep the same level of football without a striker."

Asked if there was a chance of a new forward arriving before Sunday, Laszlo added: "No, definitely. At the moment, I concentrate only with what I have. Today I had a meeting with some people with the board and at the moment we carry on.

"From now until the end of May, we must look at what we can do, which possibilities we have. I think at the moment it's very interesting. You must have a long-term structure and at the moment we are making big steps in this direction. Everything is possible.

"We're very active. If it's possible to get a talented player, definitely, we keep our eye open and try to do something. Also, people have interest in our players. We must look at what happens and be flexible. We concentrate only on the game against Hibs on Sunday – this is a very difficult game."

It will be all the more difficult for Hearts if, as now seems certain, Bruno Aguiar misses out. The playmaker is back in training after a minor injury, but Laszlo said he did not want to rush him, and it now looks like he will not be back until Hearts' next league match.

Without Aguiar, who was in inspired form earlier this season, Laszlo hopes that the players who underperformed on Wednesday will rise to the occasion on Sunday: "It was a very bad game (at Motherwell], but also from bad games you can take something positive. Maybe this was at the right time ahead of the cup game.

"Definitely, we played very bad football. We haven't played like that in all our other games; this was the first one which I was very, very unsatisfied about. Not just the result, the game was bad.

"The guys had 90 minutes to watch the game today and afterwards they could think about their performances. I have my methods, which sometimes work, sometimes not. But after Motherwell, everyone knows we can play better football. We sat together today, talked a little bit and watched the game. Everybody was clear that they can do better and we must do better."

The Lithuanian midfielder, Audrius Ksanavicius, meanwhile, has left Hearts and returned to Kaunas. Ksanavicius, 31, made a permanent move to Tynecastle in the summer after being on loan for a year, but he has been out of favour recently and last played in October.


FACT BOX

Hibs and Hearts transfer latest...

• ROB JONES

Hibs have rejected an offer from Colchester and say their captain is going nowhere.

• THIERRY GATHUESSI

Full-back leaving Easter Road for Inverness Caley Thistle.

• FILIPE MORAIS

Winger also leaving Hibs for the Caledonian Stadium.

• STEVEN FLETCHER

While Hearts manager Csaba Laszlo expressed a hypothetical interest in the striker, Hibs say they have received no contact from any club.

• JONATAN JOHANSSON

The Finn made his debut in the goalless derby last Saturday.

• GREGORZ SZAMOTULSKI

The Polish goalkeeper has also joined Hibs this month.

• CHRISTOPHE BERRA

The Hearts captain has attracted serious interest from England and is expected to leave this month.

• LARYEA KINGSTON

Hearts would also listen to offers for the Ghanaian playmaker.

• ANDY DRIVER

The winger is another to have interested English sides, but could well stay on at Hearts until the summer.

• AUDRIUS KSANAVICIUS

The Lithuanian has returned to Kaunas.

The full article contains 1133 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 00:06:43
Laszlo excuses- you couldnae make them up.

Anyone who saw the game will tell you that Hearts were just not good enough (to get a shot at goal).

Even with every man behind the ball, they couldn't defend.

I would say that is "less than satisfctory"

Good to see Boyd staying. Either way Rangers can put out an impressive team, mind you
2

Der Kaiser,

09/01/2009 00:21:45
#1
First on a Hertz thread again. Jambo wannabe.

I'm feeling slightly pernickety so.....

Shabba said that the presence of scouts "could" have unsettled players. He didn't say it did.

Couldn't defend with every man behind the ball? Hmm are you implying that if a team puts every man behind the ball they definitely won't concede? If so teams shoudl adopt this tactic as soon as they score first and every game would finish 1-0.

And we did get one shot on goal. Eggert Jonsson in the second half.
While that's not something to be proud of I just thought I'd say it.
3

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 00:26:19
#2

Well that response has really set the thread on fire.

Hard to follow.
4

Der Kaiser,

09/01/2009 00:29:07
#3

Well take the hint and don't follow (follow)
5

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 00:39:40
#5

My private jet was in for a service.
6

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 00:43:06
What about Ronaldo. Claiming his car was nudged from behind
7

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

09/01/2009 00:43:19
Your team is screwed you clown. The most screwed club in the league and you can't see it!!!!
8

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 00:46:12
#10

I hope the courts oblige
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 01:04:23
#13

Why would anyone be interested in that?

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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 01:12:54
#15

You must have been assuming that some people still took Hearts seriously.

I with you now.
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 01:48:14
So Rangers are not a selling club, claims Murray.

Then why, when there were initial reports of the Boyd to Birmingham transfer stalling, did Murray respond with, "We are still hopeful that the transfer will go ahead"?

Surely such a comment should only be expected from the buying club, not the selling club.

He really can't help himself can he?
12

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 02:42:10
Has Healy signed yet? Any updates?
13

Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 03:19:14
According to Sunderland, there have been no discussion between the two clubs and in any case, Healy is not for sale. Nothing but paper talk.

thepundit - Take my word for it - Rangers will be buying nobody in this transfer window. One or more key players will be sold for Balance Sheet purposes.

Lovenkrands wouldn't accept the wages Rangers would offer anyway. No chance.

Time you guys woke up to reality.

I almost feel sorry for you.

Almost!
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 03:24:46
Yesterday, Murray announced, among other things, that he would be cutting the Rangers wage bill from 24m to 16m, which is about 40% of Celtic's current wage bill.

Sounds to me like he is resigned to accepting second place (or worse) for a few years until he, or someone else, can steady the sinking ship.
15

Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 03:32:45
the pundit said "And how the hell can you guarantee that Rangers will not sign anyone during the transfer window? who are you? David Murray?"

That's rich coming from you. The guy who said in the Summer that Boruc was leaving and Brown was leaving and Nakamura was leaving and ended every prediction with the word FACT!

Oh and in March you said "Rangers will be champions FACT!"

I am not making guarantees here. I am speaking from knowing more about the state of Rangers' finances than you will ever know, until you finally pull your head out of the sand.

They might bring in one or two players on loan, but they will be bottom drawer because of the low wages on offer.
16

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 03:44:34
Celtic signing autographs.
17

Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 04:03:31
thepundit - Celtic's wage bill for LAST SEASON was Celtic's wage bill last season was £38.9m (according the their accounts which is in the public domain) so it is safe to assume that this season's will be no less than £40m.

And how can you come up with salary figures for individual Celtic players? Who are you? Peter Lawwell?

McGeady only recently signed a 5 year contract. He will be on much more than 15k.
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 04:08:26
#32 - I'll help you . . .

Scott Brown
Paul Hartley
Barry Robson
Glen Loovens
Scott McDonald

. . . all of whom Rangers tried and failed to sign

And don't give me that nonsense about this transfer window. It still has 25 days to go. At least we don't need to sell key players just to get money in the door.
19

Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 04:11:09
#35 - That's basic salary. Celtic players get between 3,000 and 5,000 appearance money.

Anyway, forget individual players. The Celtic wage bill for LAST SEASON was £38.9m. You still want to tell me to go and lie down?
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 04:12:21
#37

Is that only players' wages?
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 04:16:41
#37 - Yes. The accounts list separate remuneration figures for board members and other staff.
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 04:21:22
#39

SO WGS's cut (for example) is not included?
23

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 04:26:37
How come the Rangers game is on Tuesday?
24

Daillyman,

09/01/2009 04:27:00
Wish you OF supporters would find you're own thread.lol
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DT is a JT,

09/01/2009 04:27:03
I see this has turned into the weegie bigot brothers thread again these EDINBURGH Glory Hunters oh and another thing Wattie Smith will be staying (I hope so) as Mr Murray cant afford to dump him.
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 04:32:31
Well let's just say that when football owners and chairmen talk about the need to slash the wage bill, they are not talking about the cleaning lady or the groundsman.
27

Daillyman,

09/01/2009 04:32:45
Later lads.
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 04:34:11
#44 - Where is the bigotry in this thread? We are having a discussion and yes, disagreeing regularly, but how does that in itself equate to bigotry?
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 04:37:11
#48

I agree.

See, we even agree sometimes.

This is a family thread with no red cards (for the regulars at least)
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DT is a JT,

09/01/2009 04:51:52
#48 why are you spouting on a Hearts thread we dont give a flying gnats ar53 about you lot so why dont you go else were cause you are not wanted here Hearts have enough problems without listening to the Bigots mouthing off
31

Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 05:03:27
#50 You are a sad and frightened little man. Go away.
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Raskolnikov,

09/01/2009 05:04:33
I bet you were bullied at school and were the type who always said "It's ma baw n ah'm no playin any mair."

Git!

Wimp!
33

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 06:25:53
3-0 Hibs
34

Pistol Pete,

09/01/2009 07:54:45
#54 - Who cares, your (has-been) team (supported by glory hunting bigots and despised by all) is dead and buried anyway. Watch your debt continue to rise as no league wants you.

Anyway:

Have to laugh about Fletcher being linked to Hearts but surprised that they did not sign Gow. What happened to A Stokes, as he would be good also? Tight on Sunday again but Hibs will get there.
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Pistol Pete,

09/01/2009 07:55:50
AUDRIUS KSANAVICIUS

The Lithuanian has returned to Kaunas.

Which one was he again?
36

Pistol Pete,

09/01/2009 08:21:56
#57 How sad that you spread your guff on a thread entitled:
"Hearts talk up Berra, while Hibs say Jones staying put"
Go and jump.

Anyway:

Have to laugh about Fletcher being linked to Hearts but surprised that they did not sign Gow. What happened to A Stokes, as he would be good also? Tight on Sunday again but Hibs will get there.
37

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 08:26:34
Why do the Hearts and Hibs posters always have to drag the level of a thread down
38

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 08:36:28
I think McGregor is more likely to be sold.

Boyd will be an even better player after this.

WS played with his mind, and won
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09/01/2009 08:45:54
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09/01/2009 08:58:03
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09/01/2009 09:07:35
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 09:15:14
TOTT

Thought that comment would wake your from your coma
43

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 09:16:33
#69

Idee is OK, and posts always welcome.

Would be a duller place without his exclusives
44

Ernie Cobra,

09/01/2009 09:17:35
UNBELIEVABLE

The filthy brigade aren't happy scerewing up scottish football with thier crazy and extreme political / religious views. Depleting the squads of every other club to keep thier strangle hold, embarassing us in europe on and off the pitch, and just generally needing a good wash.

They have to come onto the CAPITALS teams threads to bicker back and forward......should you lot not be out at a school near you pushing heroin??
45

Bigwull,

edinburgh 09/01/2009 09:20:13
I have it on good authority Rangers will be in Administration by Monday if the don't sell Boyd.
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09/01/2009 09:22:45
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Hibbysam,

09/01/2009 09:24:46
FILTH!

I've about lost patience with the constant infestation of threads with glory hunting bawbags.

Back to the story...............don't go to weegieland Christophe, although to be fair he wouldn't be a bench warmer.

48

Hibbysam,

09/01/2009 09:25:41
FILTH
49

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 09:27:11
#74

BW

Showing you total lack of knowledge of the Administration filing system

You can only file on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Seeing as you probably spend half of your day in the local library because it's warm, why not trying reading the odd book or two
50

Hibbysam,

09/01/2009 09:29:28
TotT

there you go bringing Hibs into it again.

Some would say there's a bit of an obsession going on................

;-)
51

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 09:37:06
#83

TOTT

You missed out the best bits, but I don't like to boast about them in public
52

BazJT,

09/01/2009 09:42:22
#78 Hibbysam

No way is Vlad ever going to let Berra go to tho OF. Only way he could end up there is with another undercover plot by the filth .. aka Webster.

One thing I'm sure all reasonable Scottish football fans support Vlad for is his stance on the OF.
53

I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 09:42:26
#86

Why would anyone be interested in that, apart from the 300 fans who turn up because it's better to sit at watch the Albion play in the freezing cold than listen to the wife going on about the new washing machine they bought next door.

Must be the only club playing a leauge match, I guess.
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09/01/2009 09:43:25
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Hibbysam,

09/01/2009 09:43:52
Fletcher has gone of the boil a bit recently. If

I was him I'd be gagging to shoot off. The 'football' we've been playing recently has been absolute gash. The game on Saturday was a new nadir - utter rubbish. It was obvious after 10 minutes that Berra was going to beat Fletcher in the air but still the high balls came.

This is from a Hibby - who would really want to play in a team that can't string 3 passes together?

When Brown, Whittaker, Katie, etc. left they were leaving a decent team and as such you could have a go at them but, ffs, if i was a striker playing in a team with NO MIDFIELD i'd want to get off an'all.

56

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 09/01/2009 09:44:46
Csaba saying his player is good enough to play at a higher level is not linking him with other teams as the press do.

Secondly, Csaba I agree with your tactics to date as you built the formation around the players you have available to you. However, if Bruno is out on sunday we have nobody that can play in the hole behind Nade and therefore we must look to change the formation. Stewart Obua and others have all failed in that respect, Bruno is the only only one who has succeeded. Therefore unless you have a player who will definitely cope with the role, please adapt the formation.

This is too big a game to gamble on Stewart or Obua who have showed no signs as yet
57

BazJT,

09/01/2009 09:47:14
Weegie 1 : White is the new Black.
Weegie 2 : Naw, Black is the new White.
Weegie 1 : Naw White is the new Black.
Weegie 2 : Naw, Black is the new White.
Weegie 1 : Naw, White is the new black.
...............ad infinitum
Get the picture weegies ? You're boring and everybody hates you. I know it hurts but the best way to deal with this is to accept it and deal with it.
58

BazJT,

09/01/2009 09:49:37
Does anybody have anything positive to say about Obua. I hope I'm wrong but after the big build up we got about how good this boy is he just looks hopeless on the ball. Anybody seen him play in reserve matches ?
59

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

09/01/2009 09:50:50
Sorry but I don't see the irony here. Saying your players can play in better leagues and listing the reasons why in quite a reasonable, thought-out way and complaining about random press speculation about which specific teams might buy them are not the same thing, therefore he is not contradicting himself. I've never heard of players being unsettled by being praised by their manager but have heard of players being unsettled by unfounded speculation. As ever, Bathgate's looking for any justification to have a wee dig.
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 09:51:53
#90 Hibbysam

I have to say I've never seen much in Feltcher to get excited about. Not saying he's not a good player but the hype appears to be over the top.

Too much to live up to ? Or Mixu's (lack of) tactics ?
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09/01/2009 09:52:47
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09/01/2009 09:53:16
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 09:57:36
TOTT

Aye, get one of the grandchildren to hold your Niagra Falls souvenir walking stick that you bought when you made your once in a life time trip there with your winnings from the pub sweep stake, while you blow your nose and wipe you eyes.
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 09:57:50
#98 Magnum PI
Away and perform a sexual act on yourself.
Obnoxious tw#t !
Just because some of us want to support our local teams no matter how bad or how good they are. I'm sure your ideal scenario would be for Celtic and Rangers to play in a league of two so you can continue to live in your surreal fantasy world.
Ars#
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09/01/2009 09:59:21
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 10:06:17
#102

Idee

How could he fail.

As far as I am aware there was no IQ test
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Jambo-ree,

09/01/2009 10:07:13
#94 Neither Gary Mackay nor Mark Donaldson have a good word to say for him in their commentaries on Hearts TV. His style is not suited to SPL and he appears to be unable/unwilling to learn or to change it (although has at least stopped wearing those green boots!)

Dreich nights in Lanarkshire are not for him.
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 10:09:11
#104

Idee

Never doubted your sources
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I can see for miles,

09/01/2009 10:10:56
#106

Magnum

They all donate half their wages to the Red Cross.

And that adds up to a lot of money, if you don't pass Go
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Jambo-ree,

09/01/2009 10:14:21
#106 And no doubt the supporters of the REALLY big clubs of England and Europe see you in exactly the same light. So your point is?
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 10:14:31
#106 Magnum Plank

Come outside of your OF Bubble. There's a whole wide world out here ..... No, really there is .....
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 10:25:00
#114 GIANT PLANK

Why didn't you tell us you were a comedian ? Sorry, accept my apologies, I thought you were being serious .....

That's the funninest thing I've read all week. It's the way you write em !!

I'm telling you, the offers for work are going to come flooding in now.
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NeuroticNearly,

W.I.M.P. "Walter"InMeltdownPhase !!! 09/01/2009 10:25:14

"Walter".

Good ol` "Walter"!!

Wonder just what else he might have up his sleeve to boost Rearrangerz` team moral and confidence.
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 10:28:35
#117
There were rumours that Newcastle were interested in him. Don't know if that's true or not.

I suppose we've got to give Obua and Csaba the benefit of the whole season ..

I'd hoped a few more might have followed from Africa but perhaps not.
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 10:49:00
Selleck, glad you are ok, worried something had happened. Any chance you could explain to me where the Celtic debt figure of £45m or whjatever you claim it is comes from (please cc in Panell Kerr Foster too as they assume it to be approx £3.5m? Oh and please provide like for like figure for Rioters FC's debt.

I can only assume if you can't then wee can assume every post is as inaccurate as most people believe.

Waiting....
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 10:50:09
#119 - Who cares ? This is a jambo thread ? I hadn't heard he'd signed for us.

Breaking news everybody. You heard it here first.
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 10:51:13
Selleck, re 119: Celtic park has a design fault-we forgot to instal huge shop windows. Probably on the bvasis that we prefer to sell on our own terms.

Given the parlous state of your club I would concentrate on your own midden.
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 10:53:15
#120 Boyne Bhoy ?? What's that all about ????

You've got lost, this is a Hearts thread. Go join your weegie pals somewhere else.
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BazJT,

09/01/2009 10:54:44
#122 - Another comedian. Stop, my sides are spliting. Oh, it's the weegie banter, gets me every time.

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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 10:55:39
Sorry I thought it was about the Threadbears.

Toodloo
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Weel Kent Jambo,

09/01/2009 10:56:10
#114 That's really rich coming from a support who continue to dwell in the last embers of 1690!

So your point is that Rangers fans should somehow be exempt from investing in youth sport? And you apparently think RFC/OF could continue to exist in a footballing vacuum? What a load of pash. After Manchester, how do you think the rest of Europe really sees Rangers?

Anyway, not going spend any more time talking about the ugly sisters on what is Hearts/Hibs thread.
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 11:02:45
Sorry jambos but had to respond to attention deficit disorder boy.

As a shareholder I have the annual report however I didn't ask about liabilities I asked about debt.

Not that difficult surely?

Audited debt figure please?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 11:28:46
Morning all...Can anyone tell me if the wee moving ad below the photos above are sponsored by RFC?

As Tennessee Ernie Ford once sang..."Another day older and deeper in debt..."
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NeuroticNearly,

09/01/2009 11:30:39
Awe Naw !!

Whilst I was busy looking at "Walters" success in ridding himself of his "Ibrox Ten" I had informed these threads that he had got rid of two.
£150,000 for Burkie and £250,000 for Gow.

That had to be amended to just £150,000 for Burke as Gow failed Wolves` medical.


This information is really just in and as a result I have been forced to review this info again.

And it is this.

Burke is away and signed for Cardiff.

But wait for it.....he went for nuthin.

Hee-haw.
Zilch.
Zero.
Bupkes.

So hang on a wee minute there,that means that Rearrangerz get £400,000.....MINUS....£250,000 and the MINUS another £150,000 so that means that Rearrangerz will eventually get...hmnnnn...erhm.....haud oan,I`ll get it in a minute.....

Naw, leave it with me,I`ll need to get back to yez .



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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 11:31:34
Selleck, you are beyond incompetence but to indulge me, by YOUR definition please advise like for like figure for Rangers and explain to me why PKF, one of the most respected accountants in the UK don't know how to do the job they are reknowned for.

As a shareholder you have my assurance I am sanguine (albeit not up to my knees).

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invictager,

Kent 09/01/2009 11:34:18
Go away for a break and what happens.
You come back to find the man in charge has sold the jerseys.
Shame on you David Murray.
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It's me!,

09/01/2009 11:36:31
This thread and others like it prove that Rangers (mainly)and Celtic fans are sad people with little intelligence who like to destroy what is worthwhile to others. High time the moderator did something about it.

Try going to bed earlier, imposters, and then you will be fresh enough to look for a job in the morning.
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 11:40:13
Hi Invicta, I Kent ye were missing-good to have a rational Ranger onboard-'Happy' New Year.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 11:40:50
As I was saying before I was barred
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 11:41:03
BB you checked out Gorams Doppleganger in Blanch yet?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 11:41:25
Unfairly, I might add
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Pistol Pete,

09/01/2009 11:43:21
Unfortunately and soon there will be no threads to comment on. They did the same to Scotland Online which was closed down.
I cannot see the point (Hibs, Hearts etc) in keeping to the point as the threads are thrown into the usual OF drivel.

Does the daily record not have threads for the bile brothers?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 11:43:30
Invictager...In these troubled times for your club,maybe a change of name to Evictager would be more apposite?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 11:48:06
#140

I was banned for an innocent comment I made about a Hearts fan on the Zoo thread.

SOme people have no sense of humour
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NeuroticNearly,

09/01/2009 11:48:24
#137#139

What name did you go by before you discovered the real you then ?

And were you scrubbed for speaking the truth about Sir Davie-boy ?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 11:50:14
Swordsman

Are yoyu back on eight pints a day, or is the blood pressure "issue" still keeping you down to six, and a can of Tropicana
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 11:52:10
I have seen the light and have foresworn the demon drink...Have a bottle of Champers in the fridge for when the Hoops record another championship or Baroness Thatcher shuffles off this mortal coil...Which ever comes first ;@)
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 11:52:43
#143

Idee

I can still find my way around a pack of cards.

Unfortunately, there were no jobs at the Job Centre that exactly matched my skill set
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 11:54:20
#145

Swordsman

You are making me feel guilty.

I still enjoy my port and lemon every evening.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 11:54:34
The Real me...Nae jobs for Japanese friendly binmen?
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NeuroticNearly,

09/01/2009 11:55:13


Damn,I hud it there for a minute...the amount Rearrangerz`ll get for their double transfer out.


It`ll come back tae me.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:00:10
#150

Idee

You were indeed the first to scoop the Gow news.

Bio-mechanical.....has he been on the bevvy?
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NeuroticNearly,

09/01/2009 12:02:31
#147 bto

Cannae keep a good man doon.

Kin they !!
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:03:25
#151

HH

And here was me looking forward to your vivid explanation of one time write-offs.

Anyway, back to the Gow story
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 12:07:35
Magnum..Probably right...Thats what happened to Big Bad John at Ibrox if I remember...What ever happened to him afterwards?

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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:09:20
Straight up, there were three jobs for stone masons. Long term contract (30 years) working at Striling Castle. Repair work on the Mary Queen of Scots Chapel

No one lives that long in Stirling, so cannae imagine they got many applicants
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Boyne Bhoy,

DUBLIN 09/01/2009 12:10:07
Swordy, never had a chance yesterday but heading that way in an hour or so-will report back!

I have a pint of plain on standby in the Thatch Bar in Drogheda for the happy day...

Selleck, welcome back. I thought you had run away.

Again.
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NeuroticNearly,

09/01/2009 12:11:29
#152 bto


That reminds me of a wee joke.


Wee bhoy to his mammy...

Hey maw,is Paris Hilton mechanical?

No son she said.She`s just an ugly super model.

...5 minutes later.....

Hey maw,are you sure Paris isnae mechanical !!?

Yes son I`m sure,she`s just another wan eh they ugly supermodels,anyhow why do you keep asking ?


Wee bhoy...awe nuthin really maw,but its just that I heard my dad saying he would love to screw the narse right off of her.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:11:31
And 35 years previous experience required.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:16:12
Is it just coincedence or good luck that the content of the thread improves dramatically when the wee team fans go and have their All Bran and low fat tomato juice
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what a chancer,

managers ekcuses 09/01/2009 12:21:33
the whole midfield from the middle,for the since the last 30 minutes at celtic game has been shown to be under achievers,they are not good enough.sounds like the manager is now looking at excuses for poor performers and is deflecting the questions on to others on the park .
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 12:28:21
Missing the point again Selleck-I'm asking about the last 24 hours-everytime you are asked a direct question you seem to shuffle off somewhere.

As long as you are ok, I'm just concerned for the confused in our midst
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 12:31:44
Magnum...Unless Im very much mistaken,The winner of the Ne'er day fixture has went on to win the league pretty much every year for the last 20 or so...That is pretty significant in my book..
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 12:42:29
Magnum...Just remember someone mentioning it after Lambert and Burley won the game for us in the 97/8 season.Seems to be the case...
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:43:56
#170

Swordsman

"in my book"

Which was is that...the rent collectors or the "home helpers"

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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 12:47:43
Have to say that the Gow "incident" was a surprise to me.

He should have passed the body mass test if he kept his steel toe caps on, as instructed, for the weigh in.

maybe it was his ball skills that were deemed bio-mechanically unfit.

Have to wait on Idee's next update until we know the truth.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 12:47:57
TRM..As the owner of a fairly well stocked library,I have more than 2 books to choose from.

I know that as a 'gers fan you would find it incredible for someone to own anything other than the entire Ladybird book collection and a concise history of the late 17th century,but there you go.....
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 12:55:08
Magnum...Was referring to 1988 to the present day...
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 12:55:57
At 170 I did say for the LAST twenty,I believe...
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 13:04:31
I go off on a Red Cross thread for ten minutes and come back to a debate on how long was the ice age. Just by an amazing coincidence, that happens to be another of my speacialst subjects
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 13:06:21
Swordy, I believe you are extrapolating correctly from thecomment made as Lambo's shot fizzed into the net. I seem to recall a similar comment on the a setanta rerun earlty Sunday morning but after a night of Erdinger (the only worthwhile Ger IMHO)I could be mistaken.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 13:07:01
My ORIGINAL post stated the last 20 years.My mistake was in suggesting that the observation was for the years prior to 97/8 season.If clarification is needed,there are many lists where the info can be obtained....
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 13:08:00
Afternoon all.

Personally, it saddens me to see the departure of Chris Burke, one of the few players at Ibrox with the capability of producing a mazy run or a cheeky piece of skill that would get the crowd excited. The lack of activity from both Beasley and Aaron however, demonstrates that such assets have no place in WS's regime, which is based on organisation and a sound work ethic.

WS admitted many months ago, in a refreshingly honest comment, that he would love to have someone like Aiden McGeady at Rangers to produce an element of flair. However, he went on to add that his team was limited to the point where he needed everyone to be hard working and to carry a physical presence, and that to have an inferior "flair" player (presumably how he sees Burke) would actually weaken the team.

Chris, I'm confident, will do very well at Cardiff (virtually a Rangers enclave these days with Rae, McCormack, etc) and I hope he goes on to fulfil all his early promise at a club that will give him a chance.

Rangers clearly need to reduce their debt and their wage bill, so players will continue to leave, although it is reassuring to read the statements from both SDM and WS emphasising that one significant sale will be enough. If Boyd were to move to Sunderland, for example, for something in the region of about £2.5 million plus David Healy, then the damage to our playing squad would, in all likelihood, be minimal.

I might suggest punting Bougherra for about £4.5 million and spending around half of that sum to bring Berra to Ibrox would also be very good business, and if KT had been fit, I would even be relaxed about Ferguson's possible departure.

We live in interesting times.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 13:10:03
The Ice Age lasted for 93 minutes, gave or take a minute, on December 27th
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 13:20:31
Magnum

It's going to be a long night.

Any chance of getting a Top 10 going?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

09/01/2009 13:27:40
GTG guys...be good...later!
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 13:28:27
Reducing debt.

Next
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Paulmac2,

surrey 09/01/2009 13:39:35
afternoon lads and Margaret....

Dear oh dear Margaret....are you still spouting that shoite....

It's one thing for people to think your brainless....then you go and submit the posts above and convince them...

Moving on....now that my chuckle muscles have started to recover from the Fat boy Boyd fiasco....then Gow....what chance the rocket man gettin sent back from that French mob?....because I tell you....ma chuckle muscles wont take it!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 09/01/2009 13:45:20
199...Margaret

As a PLC listed on the stock exchange....our finances are an open book for all to digest....

The answers you seek are there!

Now stop boring us to death with your utter shoite...

Ps. as a share holder...I rejected my dividend as did the directors...which again you will find in our accounts..
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 13:45:20
I'll have a look at annual report when I get home (I don't take a dividend on my shares so don't pay too much attention).

I am sure you will understand if i don't take your assertion at face value given your comprehensive lack of knowledge of basic accounting convention.

Any news yet on the Gers debt figure (before or after the Burke giveaway)?
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Paulmac2,

Surrey 09/01/2009 13:48:24
Well done Peter Lawwell another superb sponsorship deal done for Celtic...

Well done Gordon....another championship on the way...

The Celtic reserves just shrug their shoulders and carry on!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 09/01/2009 13:53:12
209...Boyne

As they are a collective part of MIH.....it's somewher north of £700m....

As an operation within the group.....somewhere north of £30m....

It was £22m at the end of June 2008....they then spent a further £18m and sold ugly Betty....

The question is....will Sid withold the debt figure again in this month...as he did last year?
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 13:58:41
Thanks for your concern.

Either way immaterial. Celtic are run on a sound footing unlike your smoke and mirrors emporium.

I would assume dividend payments will relate principally if not entirely to preference shares and as a standard financing instrument I have no problem on that score.

On that note, any update on Rangers debt figure yet or are you only interested in the big Bhoys?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 13:59:35
Top ten childhood dreams that never got realised

Official


Idee's may be dangerous....

1. Seeing Scotland beat England at Wembley, and being there to give the polis who kicked me in the heid for just sleeping in the underground passage when I was 16 and I hadnae slept for 36 hours, the get it right up you


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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 14:00:49
#213

Rubbish. Sorry to say so, but it was
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 14:05:20
Sorry, me onlderstand English.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 14:16:18
Hearts fans..

Has to be winning two on the road in a row.

But that takes me back my earlier comments on the Ice Age
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 14:18:32
If we want to the Celtic fans involved (not leaving you out on purpose, BTW) we can have a Top 10 goal keeping blunders of all time.

Should have no shortage of posts
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 14:36:26
Hardly an exclusive, but interesting, on the day that Chris Burke leaves Ibrox, to find Peter Lovenkrands training at Murray Park, and stating his willingness to accept an "average" first-team player's wage (ie Burke) in order to secure a return to Rangers for the sake of his family.

Feelings are always mixed regarding Peter, but he certainly scored some very important goals in Cup Finals, in Europe, and in OF matches, so certainly a big occasion player.

Besides, anyone so clearly disliked by the other side just HAS to be doing something right.

Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends.
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 14:37:13
Magnum, still no debt figure (it's you that appears to have the fixation.

I am not too concerned about the penultimate stage of the European Cup having been alive when we won it (ok so I was approaching my 2nd birthday but nonetheless).

Despite the efforts of Porto I suspect it will be a long time before a club from a lesser league contests the Final of the Champions League.

Of course I expect you will throw up the red herring (if not hand) that the European Cup is not the same thing as the Champions league so on the basis that any change invalidates previous achievements the record since the inception of the Scottish Premier Division in 1975 is: Rangers 16, Celtic 13 so not so far ahead and to take your likely argument to it's logical conclusion that the last change is what counts the League changed to the SPL in 1998 since when the record is 6:4 to the current Champions.

You could therefore say We welcome the chase.

Let me know when you are changing the goalposts again.

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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 14:52:31
But they didn't hence no double counting?

If you don't understand the Champions League is a continuation of the European Cup then I can only suggest you contact Nyon and ask them to explain.

Thanks for confirming though that Celtic are the current record holders for titles in the top echelon of Scottish football. We welcome the chase.

I would have conceded you were winning the titles race but as you want to argue you aren't I'm gentleman enough to accept.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 14:54:20
BB

Just tell us what the net debt figure is at today's date and we can all get back to the football.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 15:04:21
Magnum

My memory is no as good as it used to be.

Was there there no a EC (before it had any big teams taking part) final in 1973?

Celtic, the only fool-time team, in the final, cannae lose game....
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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 15:10:29
Did any other Scottish club win the big cup?

You may have had a semi but you never won. End of story.

We may have finished 4th out of 4 but then again you have to be in the competition proper to have any place in the standings. Being beaten by Hearts reserves, well what can I say. (See, I knew it would a Hearts thread at some point).

Debt figure: £3 million or so, Ranger £25m and no premier European trophy.

Selleck seems to think the Tic's tick is £35 million or some such nonsense.

He is unwilling to advise the like for like calculation of Rangers debt-not enough space on his abacus?

When Celtic start punting all and sundry to the highest, lowest, oh forget it anyone willing to take a signature for nowt (bye bye Burkie) then we can talk.

It's not the Champions who are in meltdown.

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Boyne Bhoy,

09/01/2009 15:12:28
You have now lost it Selleck: Internazionale were part time? Real Madrid?

Really, news to me?

If it was such an easy trophy to win why did the worlds most successful team not do it repeatedly?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 15:15:17
BB

3 million or so.....

Is that a range? Between 3 million and I have no idea?


Couldnae care less, but you started this
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 15:17:12
Give it up guys.

Is it not what happens on the field of play that makes us supporters, and gets us excited?

Is it not the players who wear the green-and-white, or the blue-and-white, that gets our juices flowing?

Is it not our past triumphs, failures and near-misses that should provide our talking points?

A conversation about how Celtic have less net-debt than Rangers, or about some shiny new sponsorship or shirt deal that some men in suits have organised...

Let's hear it for what happens on the field, FFS.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 15:39:48
Might not be the time a place to say it , but WS is the greatest Scottish football manager of all time.


Any of you lot tell me when the TV series Life on Mars was shown on UK TV.

Just hit the screens here (Jap sub titles, which dinnae quite work on the humour).


Think it's the best series i've seen since Cracker
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invictager,

Kent 09/01/2009 15:44:18
Sorry guys. A bit miffed earlier so went out for a while.

A belated happy new year to everybody except SDM's accountants ( or are they actually bar stewards).

Nevertheless I supported the bears before Murray when they won nothing for a spell and will still be supporting them when he is gone. The pendulum will swing back again soon enough.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 15:47:31
#233

Muffed?

Hope it was dual satisfaction
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Kent 09/01/2009 15:49:22
Ps
When I was away I stumbled upon the Orlando branch of the Celtic supporters club.

Went into a bar called the lucky leprechaun to watch Liverpool in the cup only to find it was stuffed full of hoopies watching the end of the DU match.

Boy that was a surprise.

Have to say the bartender was a nice bloke though.

Would recommend the place to all you celts out there. Smokey atmosphere,cheap beer and lots of screens to watch.It was a good old fashioned bar.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 15:53:27
#235

Was that the Chapter 111 on your PS game The Evil Garden
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invictager,

Kent 09/01/2009 15:54:29
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Was shown a few years back. Got both series on DVD. Excellent stuff.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 15:58:56
Look for the wee Chapter 11 joke at your leisure.


Next part of the puzzle...
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Rorie

Glad to see you got the wheels back on the van.

Heading North?





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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 16:17:42
Rorie

No drink driving.

Driving and drink, is however, legal.

I never worked that one out...so....Take it easy on the corners
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 16:24:01
A song for Rorie (music Elton John Song For Guy)

Hitched a ride from a truck heading out of town

Flipped a coin to see which way to go

East looks good today

The weather man said the sun might shine

West is worth a chance to miss the rain

But I know , a better place to be today

Point me that way, I'm on may way.............

Ibrox, ibrox....




Certain million seller before the year is out
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 16:41:47
Rorie

Don't worry my mrs won't rape you.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 16:44:21
Where did the "ten" come from

Idee?


Idee's sources are good. No question.

His spins are better, though
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Swordsman, just back from SuperBrian's in Blanchardstown-no cut out Gorams to scare the children.
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09/01/2009 16:51:49
Was it not said by someone in the Rangers hierarchy (I nodded off to be honest) that the 1st team squad was to be trimmed from 28 to 18. That gives 10 (unless you are Magnum of course).

Certainly the number 10 seems to be pretty standard across the sports media in Scotland so probably entirely wrong...
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what a chancer,

up in the clouds 09/01/2009 17:30:36
if i was an oldfirm supporter i would hack in to oldfirm stories and stick to the point of the above article.
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09/01/2009 17:40:48
SDM...

"Don't doubt I know what I'm doing and be absolutely sure Rangers will come through this. We have been in difficult situations before, I have been there before, but Rangers will deal properly with everything in front of us.

"Yes, it might be painful for some in the short term but in the long term we will be stronger. There is no panic here and we are certainly not in any kind of meltdown.

"No one is threatening to close us down. Tough decisions have to be made and they will be but we know what we are doing and we know how to succeed.

"It seems there are a lot of people out there who would like to see us fail and I notice some football scribes have suddenly become financial experts too.

"They are writing about Rangers' finances as though they know when, in fact, they should perhaps be looking closer to their own homes.

"Forget what people are saying about this club, Rangers will cope and become stronger and it's utter rubbish to suggest we are a selling club"

"I am disappointed about what we are doing at the moment with Boyd but we did not want to promote the sale of Boyd. However, when the offer was made we had to consider it.

"In a perfect world we would not sell him but the offer was for him and no others have so far come in so it had to be considered.

"I am sorry it looks as though Boyd is going but there are times when you can't just sell the players you might want to lose.

"But it is crazy to say we are sellers. Just take the last five years as an example. In that time we have spent £52m on players and you can add 10 per cent more if you take in agents' fees and signing-on fees for the players.

"In the same period we've taken in £30.9m through selling players and I don't think there has ever been a year when we've taken in more than we've spent. So how can Rangers be a selling club?

"Mendes, Davis, Edu and Bougherra were all bought in after Carlos Cuellar was sold, so again more has been spent than has come in.

"Th
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09/01/2009 17:41:48
I'm getting old. Time to hang up the Boys Brigade hat.

I was SURE that I could post with "full free from danger" "FFFD" at this time without the evasion of DV.

I planned it for months. Maps, blue prints and well...other things as well.

It was a perfect plan (PP)
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 18:52:47
Some good posts today.

Here is my post.

My dad spent his whole life for football. That means football widows and children.

Aye, I am one of them. Learnt the rules of the game (as amended) off by heart.

Been to every ground in Scotland. That was what my dad wanted.

But he was right...

You can't beat a good game.

So, Rangers for the treble
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 19:01:47
Idee

Whilst we are not one million miles apart on this one, I would argue that "Rangers will come through this" and "No one is threatening to close us down" would, in fact, qualify as the reassurances that you claim to be absent.

It seems to me that SDM is under pressure to reduce debt at the earliest opportunity, and has also told WS that outgoings, specifically wages, must be reduced.

If it's no worse than the sale of one "star" player, and the offloading of 4 or 5 fringe players, then the damage won't be too substantial, and I'd still fancy RFC to mount a credible title challenge in the second half of the season.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 19:07:39
What truly constitutes a selling club? Does a team automatically inherit the label as soon as they sell one player who is seen as significant?

Players come and go at football clubs, but any judgement must be based on an overall picture over a longer period.

Rangers consistently spend more on players than they take from sales. Even the sale of Boyd would leave them as buyers rather than sellers this season.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 19:14:01
Why the name change , ho, ho, ho. Because some small guy (who will be identified soon) made a noise it seems. BTO- NO


Anyway, The Real Me, Quadrophenia- Classic. Listen to the late John En's bass line.....
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 19:16:55
DV

here is me putting my whole life's situation on the line for discussion......


and it's......


we won in 1967....

DV

Is there no life beyond this?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 19:27:26
DV

And here's me trying to help you get on in life.

Insults flying over my heid.

Bucket for shelter
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 19:31:50
DV

I will have to crash soon.


If you have any issues Hyde 2612. You know that our back up is never slow.


All the poofs can walk home by themselves.


Some decent looking birds in the group


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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 19:38:49
dv

Boumsong, Hutton, Ferguson, Cuellar...

That's four in about five years, each for at least £7 million, which is huge money for a Scottish club to turn down, and the money taken in has been re-invested.

Hardly strikes me as a "selling team".
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09/01/2009 19:41:57
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 19:52:01
Every club sells players and in that sense every club is a selling club.

What is different about the rearrangerz' position is that they MUST sell. That, to my mind, doesn't so much render rearrangerz a 'selling club' as it does a club in serious financial difficulty.

The bottom line here is that rearrangerz have been told to raise a certain amount of cash during this window.

It has not been confirmed who has put the thumb screws on minty, but it's a safe enough bet that Lloyds TSB are behind it. HBOS was a soft touch for minty and rescheduling repayment terms was never a bother. For too long, minty had it too easy.

It appears that lloyds are a different animal altogether and they view rearrangerz purely as a high risk account that needs firm management.

What we don't know is exactly how much do lloyds want rearrangerz to bank during the window - some press reports suggest £3m - nor do we know what the consequences will be should rearrangerz fail to meet the amount demanded.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 19:52:14
294

So does the money that we invested in Mendes, Davis, Lafferty, etc, which added to more than the Cuellar money, not make us a "buying" club?

Rangers buy some players, they sell some players. But consistently, year on year, they spend more to buy than they take in from sales.

If this proposed Boyd sale had taken place (as it almost did) in the last window, it would have been Cuellar, Boyd and Cousin out (approx £12 million) against Miller, Lafferty, Velicka, Bougherra, Davis, Edu and Mendes in (approx £16 million).

We can all "do the math", I'm sure!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 19:58:47
BTW (especially for Idee)

Going back to an earlier subject, but the Cardiff City website confirms that they DID pay a fee for Chris Burke, not the free transfer that you earlier claimed.
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:06:23
Burke did go for free, and apparently mculloch and wee snatchie have been told that they can go for free too.

This is 'meltdown' at ibrox ...minty's comments are just more bluff and bluster which are far removed from the reality on the ground.

The fact is , someone's got minty by the short and curlies and he has been told to liquidise some assets and get rid of 10 players asap.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 20:08:11
dv

I am concerned. I've never pretended otherwise, but I think it's worth waiting until the end of the window before passing judgement.

Look at this scenario.

Rangers take in around £1 million from the sales of Burke, Gow and Velicka, who are all so peripheral as to be insignificant, and bring back Lovenkrands on a free at modest wages.

They sell Boyd to Sunderland for around £2.5 million plus David Healy, which is about £2 million in the bank after Killie get their cut.

So we end up losing one significant player (Boyd) and a few irrelevant ones, and get two potentially valuable players in return. SDM gets £3 million to bank, and the overall wage bill drops.

Everbody would be happy. Including Lloyds TSB.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 20:09:36
#306

So Cardiff City are officially stating that they paid a fee when they didn't because...
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:13:54
There's a good article on etims about the state of MIH at the moment.

At a glance, they look as though they are doing quite well, but as is always the case with minty, the devil is in the detail, and on closer inspection, it appears that MIH only managed to record a profit last year by disposing of some assets and rescheduling loans.

There's no doubtr about it that MIH are, like many other businesses, struggling, but their struggle has been ongoing since before the so-called credit crunch...they pay £40m a year in interest on outstanding loans.

The assets over which the loans are secured have dropped in value since the loans were made. Their borrowings have been heading north year on year by staggering amounts of money...At some point, the whole thing could come crashing down, and that time might not be very far away.
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:25:38
" Winger Chris Burke has completed his move from rangers to Cardiff City on a free transfer. "

Quote from the BBC website.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 20:29:15
Must be right then, Patrick.

Whilst the quote on the official Cardiff City website "Cardiff City can confirm that we have signed Chris Burke for an undisclosed fee" must be wrong.

After all, the BBC would know better than the buying club!
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Daillyman,

09/01/2009 20:30:32
Just arrived home via taxi from the RFC club having had a long liquid lunch. So I see its the same on the threads, Rangers a selling club, the club going down the tubes, and the tic support going on about Boyd who is their mind is rubbish, so why would they care if he is sold.

Things are tight money wise, but the loss of players such as Burke, Boyd (great scoring record for a 400k buy), Adam, Hemdami etc will free up wages. I dont see any mention of Donnuti being off loaded at a loss, Killen, leaving, O'Dea wanting to be played or moved.

As for the Gers bringing in big money from transferred players over the last few seasons,, good business done.

How many firm offers have we seem for any of the Parkhead superstars, Boruc, McGeady or any other at 7 to 9mil per. Had an offer come in for homegrown Aiden at 9mil he would have been punted already. Please not post the standard reply "We don't have to sell"
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:33:08
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Bemused, Burke has made two substitute appearances this season, his contract expires in the summer and as we know Smith has been told to get bodies out the door.

The BBC must have a source to say that it was a free transfer, and that source must be either rangers or cardiff.

In all the circumstances, I'd be amazed if any money changed hands, and am inclined to believe the BBC statement.
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Daillyman,

09/01/2009 20:35:38
Helter 315

You may be correct saying it was a free, but I had read it was a nominal fee in the 100-150k range. But the big thing is to get his wages off the books.
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:41:20
314

Daillyman, as was pointed out recently, the club do not need to inform the player let alone the fans if a bid comes in.

We don't know if any offers have come in for any Celtic players ...it seems that the way the system works, we only find out if the club accept the bid and allow the buying club the opportunity to speak to the player.

There are players at Celtic who are being watched, chiefly among them are Artur, Scot McDonald, Scot Brown and Gary Caldwell.

Whether bids have been made and rejected, we can't say for certain.

But there is something that I am concerned about and that is the fact that Celtic are presently paying out £15m a year more on wages than rearrangerz.
Celtic are still well within the recommended wages:turnover ratio, but I don't think we are getting value for money for the money being outlayed.

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 20:44:10
So the Rangers problems continue.

No money for big bad boyd.

No money for gowser.

No money for wee Burkie.

No money for new transfers.

No money to clear the debt.

No CL money on the horizon.

These are dark days at Ibrox, long may they continue.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 20:45:32
318

If Superjays win, then it will be Smith for the brothpot. But I can't see it myself, Rangers will beat St J 3-1.
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:46:11
Quite honestly, with the financial advantage we have, Celtic should be blowing spl teams away, and we haven't done that for a while.

Strachan needs to be getting more out of the squad...strange as it may seem, I was shocked to see how much more we are paying out...shocked by the lack of evidence of that on the park.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 20:48:01
315

Sky sports are also saying Burke went for Free.

Funny but Gow failed a medical. Wolves said it was a Bio-Mechanical problem but not serious. However McCarthy stated "Thank God we've got a good medical team. He's a good player but it's for him and Rangers to sort out the problem"

What next for Rangers? Do you think Watty might be given garden leave.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 20:51:51
321

I think you are being unfair to the hoops.

We are a young team and are learning all the time in Europe. If we had a few breaks this season we'd have made the last 16. It's also early days in the title I think we'll have it won before the split.

If you consider our form this season with all the injuries and a champions league campaign we've only lost two games domestically (mainly down to mistakes)and at the half way stage that's not bad going.

We are on course for a treble this season imho.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 20:54:59
A lot of people seem to forget that MON's success was with a squad of seasoned campaigners. He signed tried and trusted pros to win the titles he won and he still never got as far as WGS in Europe.

So let me fast forward say four years when our young team will have peaked. It's not impossible to think we could be last four material in the CL.

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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 20:59:19
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Marion

We are paying out £15m more on wages than rearrangerz ...do you honestly believe that we are seeing the benefit of that additional investment on the park ?

£15m equates to roughly an extra 15 x £20k a week players.

I'm not that bothered about missing out on either the last 16 or UEFA, but failing to achieve third spot in our group was pretty rubbish really.

Recently, we were well beaten by hibs, fortunate to draw at home to hearts and spent the last 10 minutes against Dundee U watching the match through the cracks of my fingers.

You might think we are getting value for money at the moment, but for £39m in wages, I think we should be doing a whole lot better.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 21:08:01
326 MLS

Hold on a minute.

We've been without some key players in the first half of the season. In fact at one point we were nearly a whole team missing.

We certainly can unload a few players such as;

Donati
Killen
Doumbe
Mark Brown
Balde
Hinkel

That would free up a few million.

On the few games you mentioned, we should have beaten Hibs(we'd more chances, possession and their goals were down to errors) We could have scored 5 or 6 that day.

Hearts did deserve to beat us at parkhead and we ground out a draw. United we should have hammered but we let them creep back into it and paid the price.

In the last three and half years we have only deserved to lose about 6 games under WGS domestically. What more do you want?

Ps...we've still to come really good this season. If that happens in the last half of the season we're on for a treble.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 21:17:00
#327

Agreed. Celtic are one of two teams who could realistically win the "treble" this season.

Although Dundee Utd aren't quite dead and buried in the SPL, so make that three teams!
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 21:19:03
328

I can't see them sustaining the SPl challenge, though I take the point they might win a trophy cup.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 21:24:49
328

How do you feel about Burke leaving?

If there is one thing this Rangers team are crying out for it's a winger - why did they let him go?
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 21:30:55
Marion

Over a short period of time, we had hibs away and Dundee U and Hearts at home.
We didn't win any of them, and say what you like about the hibs game, my take on it was that we got plenty of the ball but we couldn't do very much with it...I don't remember us squandering any chances really. A lot of huffin and puffin around in and around their final third, but we didn't show enough quality to penetrate them.

The point that I am making is that , compared to other spl teams, including rearrangerz, we are light years ahead in terms of spending....light years.

To get 2 points from 9 against these three top 6 teams is, to my mind, abysmal particularly when you factor in the fact that 2 of the matches were at home.

For me, that isn't good enough.

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 21:40:11
331

I admit our form at home is below par at the moment. But we have still to field our best eleven this season.

We will start sparkling soon and then watch us go for the treble.

ps..We should have rattled 5 past Hibs at Easter Rd - what about Hinkel's miss, samaras's misses, Brown's chance and McDonald's (the header from close range).

We did more than huff and puff on another day we'd have mullered them.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 21:47:15
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And on another day we'd have mullered Dun Utd as well, we let them off the hook and when they scored they gained a great belief and gathered momentum.

The one major criticism I would have of the current squad is our lethargy when it comes to killing teams off. We often seem to think we can settle on a lead. Utd and Allborg away are perfect examples. We need to start burying teams.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 21:48:14
Thought I might be in one of those 1973 time slips when I woke up there.

Then I came round. The birds were no this ugly in 1973.

What saved the day, for me, was finding thepundit post saying there was a Daily Star exclusive,

Knew i was back in reality

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 21:49:52
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Ho hum
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 21:54:31
We'll have to agree to differ on the hibs game...I felt no sense of misfortune after the defeat. I thought hibs got their tactics spot on, they were well drilled and although they got their noses in front through a flooky goal, they drove home their advantage well and scored a well worked goal to seal the points.

Marion, when did we last really take a team apart ? Why aren't we ? We have resources that are beyond the wildest dreams even of walter smith , but we can't give anyone a right seeing to.

Why isn't the cash talking on the park ?
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 22:04:15
I think donati has great talent but like AC Milan, we have failed to get the best out of him.

It's infuriating, because in flashes Donati has shown real genius...I mean, world class genuis. The problem with donati is getting him to do it regularly and over the full 90 minutes.

If anyone can unlock his ability, they'll have dynalite on their hands.
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 22:04:58
#dynamite
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:08:26
336

I agree Hibs took advantage of our failings to turn chances into goals. But hey that's football.

OK so we haven't hammered many teams this season but I'll settle for decent performances and silver ware ahead of routs and humiliations. We are not a bad team but I agree we have stuttered lately.

We'll come good a bit like this time last season when we hammered Killie then Aberdeen with sparkling performances. I expect we'll start tomorrow. I think we'll batter Dundee 5-0. McDonald hatrick. Then it's up to Pittodrie to give the dons their annual doing on their own turf.

By the end of the month we'll have Shaun and Naka back and Aiden might have appeased WGS enough to merit a return.

We can only get stronger and I expect us to roll away with the lot this season.

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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 22:11:41
What was the "klennex tissue " with the Gow medical
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:13:12
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When did Donati show genius?

Only about ten players in all my years watching Celtic have shown real genius - Jinky, Kenny, Henke, Di Canio, Aiden, Shaun, Lubo, the Maestro, Nicholas in season 82-83 and Naka.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:13:27
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Ho hum
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 22:16:21
Tim

No mention of Wayne Biggins in your "genius" list?

Surely some mistake!

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:18:55
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Aye and Wayne Biggins as well...thanks
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:23:00
Bemused

How sad is it that I can't use my name on this site. Every time I use Tim Malloy or any other variant, I can't post. I therefore have to use the name Marion Morrison - a name my missus suggested because she says I'm a "big wean" for winding you lot up!

And I guess there's been no bigger wean in the history than Marion Morrison.

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:27:08
For the movie ignorant out there.

Wean = Wayne

Marion Morrison was movie star and greatest ever cowboy John Wayne's real name.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:27:30
crikey my interest is now starting to wane...
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 22:28:00
Stop- and think


I know the two movements thrown in as one will proide most non-Rangers fans with mobility klennex tissues.


Stand back and look at the facts.

That's all I had to say....for now, mind you
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:30:08
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Ho hum
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 22:31:31
Marion

With Donati it has only been flashes...but there is fragmentary evidence that deep within donati there is an outstanding talent. I've seen him kill a bullet of a pass stone dead, turn a player , swivel round and send a 50 yard cross field pass with pin point accuracy. There have been moments when my jaw has dropped, but only moments, and my final take on donati is that he has a confidence problem that holds him back.

Tomorrow, I want to see us put on a great performance...accurate passing, accurate finishing, exciting fast paced football that dundee just cannot live with.

But I don't share your optimism Marion...my expectation is that we'll get drawn into a dog fight, quality will be thin on the ground, but we'll win 2v1.

I hope I'm wrong, but we aren't playing well, we aren't dominating games, our passing has been terrible at times ...we just aren't playing well marion and strachan has to sort it out. He needs to get this team playing and putting teams away. I think we'll still win the title, but when you consider the financial advantage that we have, winning the title should be agiven.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 22:33:34
#350

If you want to be infamous you are doing just fine.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 22:36:01
Tim

Yep, I knew who MM was, and I knew it was you too.

I agree that your views, generally speaking, are not often offensive, although you do like to kick off the odd cyber-fight. I think a ban on the TM name is a bit pointless though.

Reference Burkey, he'll get a chance of a sustained run now at a level of football not far removed from the SPL. My suspicion is that he'll make an impact, like young McCormack, his team-mate that PLG should never have released.

Meanwhile, we'll continue to watch the silky skills of Whittaker and Miller, amongst others, at Ibrox.

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:38:52
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I have seen Donati do some nice stuff but it's not genius in my opinion. I've seen Lambert, Crosas and Petrov, TB, Bobby Murdoch, Collins etc etc do similar things that you described of Donati, but I wouldn't call them all genius. That's just good midfield play.

We'll rip Dundee apart tomorrow and I expect Aiden will play and turn it on big style. So there will be no dogfight just a dog's dinner - the dundee defence.

BTW I agree with our financial advantage we should be winning the title.

We are not as bad as you say but we've had a wee blip mainly because all our playmakers have been missing or injured - Naka, Aiden and Shaun.

The only game I'd say our passing has been terrible was at Ibrox and the reason for that was the pitch.

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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 22:40:04
Never get tired of watching silky skills
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:40:13
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Ho hum
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 22:41:02
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You know it was me? And you knew Duke's real name?

Crikey, I better add you to the genius list.
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 22:50:05
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Marion

I thought maloney was playing utter gash before he got injured. McGeady hasn't been playing well and had been dropped quite a few times before his suspension.
Naka has been the best of thee three this season by some margin.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 22:59:05
I thought about asking Tim for his list of Rangers genius players.

But I suspect he'd come back with a short one.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:01:20
359

There is only one maestro and you ken him fine...

Shaun's screamer v Rangers in the cup a few season's ago and his cracker up at Dunfermline in the 8-1 game as well as his special goal v Hertz this season put him in the genius class.

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:05:48
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A few short ones actually...

Alex McDonald 5'5'
Willie Henderson 5'6'
Davie Cooper 5'7'
Ian Durrant 5'7'
Willie Johnson 5'6

Others over the shorties include;

Laudrup
Gazza
Baxter
in his youth (like Nicholas) Russell


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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:07:44
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A tad unfair on the wee man Shaun.

Agreed Aiden's heid's been full of broken bottles lately...

Agreed Naka's been the best of the three...but they have all been players of the year this last three years and I expect they'll come good soon - starting with Aiden tomorrow.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 23:07:49
TOTT

What are you doing playing around in the late nite dangerous threads?


Go home and give your wife a hug, or whatever you do in "your part of the woods2
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:09:29
365

Ho hum
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 23:10:48
Tim

No Ronald De Boer, Ray Wilkins, etc? Or did they have to be at their peak whilst at Ibrox to qualify?

Glad to see Durrant in there. Can I assume that you agree that he was criminally overlooked by Roxburgh/Brown in favour of John Collins for our National team?
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 23:12:59
Wasnae talking to you
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 23:14:19
#366

Give the thread a chance to flow?
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:17:57
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Mmm...De Boer? Maybe...

Wilkins not really he was a bit of a good solid pro rather than genius. Yeah he scored a cracker in an OF game so have many players.He was a bit like Alan Thompson in that respect and Murdo McLeod - great midfielder's who scored some great goals but I wouldn't go as far as genius.

Durrant v Collins. I never rated Collins that highly, thought he was a massive underachiever. If I recall Durrant was injured and recovering from injury and that more than anything cost him a regular scotland place.

But best not to even discuss Roxborough and Brown - two clowns who don't know the shape of a football. I blame them for the demise of Scottish football. While other people were winning trophies they were awarding themselves their own created wee SFA badges.

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Paulmac2,

surrey 09/01/2009 23:19:10
Evening lads...

So is it true....by the end of January Rangers will have a smaller squad than Hamilton?
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Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 23:19:32
Bemused

Are you content with minty's assurances, the man who told you of a £750m ibrox redevelopment, the man who assured all that Cuellar was going nowhere unless a "silly money" offer came in ?

From where I'm standing, minty treats the rearrangerz fanz with mocking contempt...he'll tell them any old nonsense if it will buy him time or get the press off his back. He thinks they'll swallow any old BS.

I mean that story that he was about to put pen to paper on a contract to sell the club when he asked the buyers what their intentions for the club were...do you honestly believe this guy ? If so , your loyalty is blind.
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:21:05
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Go and google Celtic The Maestro...then your curiosity will be satisfied.

Wee Lemon, the buzzbomb (that's Bobby Lennox) was brilliant, a great athlete and scorer of many fine goals - but never had the skill to be considered true genius.

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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 23:22:02
So there we have it.


Dock matrin sole TOTT busts in.


A few insults- thread closed.


Thanks TOTT

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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:22:11
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Hi Paul, not a smaller squad but Hamilton might have more cash in the bank. I think they've got a tenner in there.
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The Real Me,

09/01/2009 23:23:42
TOTT- the thread closer.

I would keep an eye on him.


But, not for me to say
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:23:52
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Ho hum
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Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:26:56
373 Minty

Not heard much about the Ibrox 750million superstadia...

I don't think it's blind loyalty with Rangers fans I think it's a case of who else can they believe in? There is no shining knight, no saviour, no interest from anyone. So they have to just accept Murray's word for it all. Like it or lump it - the fan base is powerless and Murray knows this.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 23:26:57
Patrick

I seem to recall that the £750m development was the most ambitious (and therefore least likely) of four different blueprints, so it was never a probability, and SDM didn't paint it as such.

As for Cuellar, it may be that SDM considered the £7.8 million escape clause to be "silly money". I still reckon it was a good price for the guy. At any rate, there was nothing RFC could do once Carlos decided to invoke the clause (a clause, I may add, confirmed by Cuellar himself and Aston Villa FC, although you probably don't believe in it).

I've stated my position before. SDM has overseen probaly the most successful 20 year period in our club's history. He reached high at great cost, fell a little short, and now we all have to pay the price.

But I don't regret his arrival at the club.
298

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:33:50
384

Watched practically every game Lennox played. I think Lennox was a better player than Shaun. Murdoch, Auld, Wallace, Yogi and Connelly were better than Shaun but none had the natural genius of the wee man.

If Shaun could regain the form of three years ago and sustained it for five or six years he'd be up there with these guys.

Don't know what you are talking about - who put a coma after Lubo?????? Coma????

Google - The Maestro Celtic and educate yourself.
299

Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 23:36:10
Bemused

I didn't ask you whether or not you regreted his stewardship ( though perhaps it is a related question) ...I asked whether you trust him ...do you take him at his word ?

.."never a probability and SDM didn't paint it as such " ...google up the sunday mail issue when minty made the announcement ....your assessment is unsustainable, on any view.

He must have known of the release clause in Cuellar's contract, the one that Cuellar exercised some 48 hours after the meeting betwwen minty and the rangers fans, some of whom had travelled from New Zealand...Are you saying the assurance he gave them about Cuellar wasn't misleading ?

The question bemused is, do you believe this guy ?

Isn't there reason to doubt his word ?

300

Paulmac2,

surrey 09/01/2009 23:36:33
377...evening Tim

Are you sure...Hamilton have a squad of 22...

Then again if Rangers canny kick them oot the door...then I suppose they might be stuck with 26..

It did make me smile...when Sid in his usual attempt to cloud the picture tried to imply that this was all about 1 player....whilst side stepping the fact...

2 erchies was given away
Burke was given away
Gow was almost given away
Fat boy Boyd was given a one way ticket

Snatchie was touted to Ethanol
Sponge Bob was touted to the mighty Forest
Bagette..Sidebaws and Menthol are being touted to Geordieland
McShagger touted to anyone
301

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:37:00
385

He was a better player but was not blessed with Maloney's skill on a ball. How many free kicks did Lennox score like Maloney? How many volleys did he score like the one Maloney scored at Dunfermline? How many 30 yarders did he score v Rangers???

Lennox was a great and was a great athlete but didn't have Maloney's skill. Maloney has two great feet and is the nearest thing to Lubo.

302

BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 23:39:24
Patrick

I trust SDM's stewardship of my club. Has he ever "spun" the truth a little to soften the blow, or to create publicity for RFC? Probably. He's only human.
303

The Real Me,

09/01/2009 23:39:57
TOTT

Any chance of cleaning up your posts.

The look of them is messy, and poor balance.

You certainly don't listen to good music

304

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:41:20
394

Ho hum
305

BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 23:43:46
#397

Agreed.
306

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:44:14
395

Dvince, it's not about greatest ever celt or who is held in the highest esteem. It was merely a reply to players who possessed genius. I don't think Donati had genius him. I have seen enough of Maloney to say he has genius in him, same with Aiden.

Lennox is right up there with the Celtic greats as is McGrory and McNeill but I'd not use the term genius to describe them.
307

Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 23:47:54
399

Bemused, how can you say that and at the same time claim to "trust his stewardship of my club" ?

It is a clear contradiction. I think the truth is that you don't trust him, but you feel that you owe him some loyalty, and your prepared to foregoe your misgivings ....as I suggested from the first question, blind loyalty is what I accuse you off...willfully blind loyalty.
308

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:49:32
Dvince, if we are going to go down the road of contribution then my top fifteen are;

Maley
McGrory
McNair
McNeill
McGrain
Stein
Jimmy McStay
Sonny Jim Young
Lennox
The maestro
Tommy Burns
Neil Mochan
John Clarke
Murdoch
Aitken
309

BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 23:49:43
In reality, WS has to take much of the blame for RFC's current financial position.

The guy has spent around £30 million in the transfer market, at least half of which has been wasted.

I realise that SDM would have sanctioned these signings, but he would have been heavily influenced in doing so by Walter's assurances that it would be money well spent.

Rangers also came very close to winning the SPL last season, and if they had, they would have had automatic entry to this season's CL group stage, and an extra £10 million or so in the bank.

So, it's a thin line.
310

Minty's Last Stand,

09/01/2009 23:52:31
406

A good point, but had rangers won the league, the consequences for Celtic would have been as a spit in the ocean as compared with the consequences which have befallen rangers.
311

BEMUSED EXILE,

09/01/2009 23:53:35
Patrick

He's paying the price for bankrolling Advocaat's buying spree, for spending £15 million on a training complex, and for giving WS £30 million since he returned.

He's done all these things with a view to putting the best quality, most successful product on the field that was within his means.

Neither Advocaat nor Smith have used this money wisely, but I salute SDM for having the ambition to try.

312

Paulmac2,

surrey 09/01/2009 23:54:42
It was interseting to read Peter Martins piece in the evening times the other day....

In which Sid decided to release a...don't panic plea to the Rangers fans...

Peter's take on Sid's decision to go public in an attempt to subdue the fans...was viewed with a degree of suspicion...because of Sid's decision to provide the statement to very select few journo's...

Suggesting that it would be printed without question or challenge...

For those who want to know whether Sid can be taken at face value..should read the comments from the ex-director Hugh Adam...
313

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:55:25
402

Aiden has shown moments of genius that Lubo, Henke and Jinky never even tried in their entire careers in training or on matchday. Aiden last season was doing stuff Ronadhino would have been proud of. Same with Maloney a few seasons back.

Also Lubo and Henke did it at a later stage in their careers than Aiden and Shaun.

The biggest genius of them all and possibly ever, was Jinky no argument there.
314

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:57:59
410

Can you tell me why Murray never bankrolled Big Eck in the same way he did with Advocaat and Smith (twice)?
315

Marion Morrison,

09/01/2009 23:59:59
414

Aiden - Double POTY last season
Naka - POTY season before
Maloney - Double POTY season before that...

Is a whole season a flash? Or a Moment?

How many POTY awards did Lennox win?
316

Minty's Last Stand,

10/01/2009 00:02:17
410

I think Minty is paying the price for his determination to ruin Celtic.

That's what minty was all about when he arrived at ibrox : he intended to put Celtic out of business, and he very nearly succeeded.

He made no bones about it. For every fiver they spend, we'll spend a tenner. That was minty talk for 'you're finished'.

His business plan for rangers had a poisonous hue ...it wasn't focussed purely on the best for rangers, but in that endeavour, the destruction of Celtic.

He failed, and has in the doing been the architect of his own.
317

Marion Morrison,

10/01/2009 00:03:19
416

Drinking? Er no hardly touch the stuff.

I know my commas from comas. My commas from my ampersands and the genius from the merely very good/great.

318

BEMUSED EXILE,

10/01/2009 00:04:38
Let me put it like this, before I retire for the night.

I can remember the 1980's. I can remember RFC's wilderness years while Celtic, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd fought for the title. I can remember the ramshackle state of the old Ibrox Stadium. I can remember when our record signing was Craig Paterson at £280,000.

Okay, we'd made certain strides to improve some of those things before Murray arrived, but whatever we'd done, he improved it tenfold. If somebody had offered me twenty years of success at that point, including nine titles in a row, domestic trophies bulging the walls of our trophy room, becoming the first British club to make it into the CL etc, and the spectacle of players such as Paul Gascoigne and Brian Laudrup lighting up Ibrox, I'd have bitten their hand off.

And even if I'd been warned that there would be a lean period at the end of it, where Celtic had gained strength on and off the field, and where our finances were compromising our ability to challenge them, I'd still have gladly paid that price.

SDM is okay with me.
319

Minty's Last Stand,

10/01/2009 00:09:26
423

Smell the coffee bemused ...we're not taliking about a 'lean period' ...we are talking 'wolf at the door!' or 'man the life boats' or 'mayday! mayday!' .
320

The Real Me,

10/01/2009 00:10:23
Not one joke

Apart from the posters
321

The Real Me,

10/01/2009 00:12:38
I see, this is the pub league time.

SPL. Later
322

BEMUSED EXILE,

10/01/2009 00:14:01
#424

A little stat that I've used before, to put Celtic's "decade of domination" into perspective...

In the last seven seasons, Rangers and Celtic have both won nine domestic trophies. Both clubs have produced a CL best performance of Last 16, and both have reached a UEFA Cup Final. If Rangers had managed to hold on and win the SPL last season, it would have been three titles each out of the last six.

Celtic and Rangers NIAR years were dominations. What Celtic currently have is an edge.

Goodnight all.
323

Paulmac2,

surrey 10/01/2009 00:14:21
Sid's problem has always been his ego....

Never wanting to admit he had sacked/removed a manager..

Always desperate to out spend his rivals...even when common sense told him that he didn't need to...etc etc

And now after all is said and done....his ego has reduced it all to a desperate chase for £3m...

That's where it sits...I don't expect Rangers fans to come on these threads and openly agree and criticise Sid....but they should be concerned...

He will never sell the club for the cash he wants...due to the complex pyramid of Companies the debts are hidden in....so where does that leave him?

It has all the signs of a similar Fergus McCann scenario...which to be honest is the best thing that could happen to Rangers.
324

Marion Morrison,

10/01/2009 00:15:20
419

Totally agree Minty.

I don't think Murray went into Rangers with that poisonous intention as he wasn't a Rangers fan who bought in but just a lodge friend of Souness who got him involved.

However since Murray's tenure we have seen him change. He was all for bringing in catholic players (mainly because of souness) but still made money playing the orange card - remember the orange strips he sold pre cup final.

I don't think Murray is a bigot just a capitalist who capitalized on the mindset of Rangers worst and largest element. But here lies the big contradiction - he wanted to clean the bigotry out of Rangers but played to same bigots to bring in the readies.

Murray wants out but after manchester and headlines of sectarian fans Rangers have turned into untouchables. He's got a monster on his hands and it's starting to bite him big time.
325

Marion Morrison,

10/01/2009 00:23:20
431

Usual spin from BE. Looks at the last seven years instead of eight years. Why? Because in that one year Celtic won the treble. Meaning Celtic 12 to Rangers 9 trophies. Add another treble this season and we're 15 trophies in 9 years.

But you are correct the league title is the one and we are on for 7 in 9 but the truth is this season we should be doing NINE in a ROW...we threw away two titles in 03 and 05.

That's doimination and how BE knows it.
326

Marion Morrison,

10/01/2009 00:28:46
434

And my comment is the wee man has genius in him and others who may be better all rounders, club servants and goalscorers don't possess the genius of the wee fella.
327

The Real Me,

10/01/2009 00:40:23
DV kills the thread
328

The Real Me,

10/01/2009 00:42:45
Well done DV

 

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