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Published Date: 23 January 2008
A FIRST-HALF penalty from Ross McCormack was enough to give Motherwell victory in this Scottish Cup fourth-round replay last night. Playing their first game at home since the death last month of Phil O'Donnell, Mark McGhee's team always looked that little bit sharper than Hearts, who carved out few real scoring chances.
Played on a heavy pitch, the match was short on creativity and genuine incident. Hearts were nowhere near as lively as they had been in the first half of their win against Hibs last Saturday, and once Motherwell had taken the lead their passage through to a fifth-round tie at home to Dundee appeared assured.

Michael Stewart, who had been a doubt because of a vomiting bug, passed a fitness test and took his place in a five-man Hearts midfield. The inclusion of Saulius Mikoliunas at the expense of Andy Driver in that quintet was Stephen Frail's only change from the line-up which began the Edinburgh derby three days earlier. Deividas Cesnauskis moved from the right to the left wing to accommodate his fellow-Lithuanian.

Motherwell also made just the one change, bringing in Jim Paterson in place of Stephen McGarry. Paterson had been due to take over from Marc Fitzpatrick, but Fitzpatrick was reinstated after McGarry was ill during the warm-up, apparently suffering from a similar ailment to Stewart.

Kick-off was delayed by ten minutes to give the unexpectedly large crowd more time to get into the ground, but once the match did get under way it soon developed into a keenly contested affair.

After ten minutes or so, Motherwell had their opponents under pressure with three corners in rapid succession from the left, but McCormack was unable to put in a suitably threatening cross. His first two place-kicks were both sliced out of play by Andrius Velicka, and at the third time of asking the Hearts defence managed to clear their lines cleanly.

In the 21st minute, though, McCormack caused far more trouble for Hearts by winning a penalty. Running onto the ball in space, he unleashed a shot from 15 yards out. Eggert Jonsson blocked the attempt on goal, using his arm in the process according to the referee. Hearts' protests at the award were minimal at most, and a minute later McCormack himself stepped up to take the penalty, which he sent calmly into the left corner of Steve Banks's net.

The home team enjoyed a spell of dominance after taking the lead, and Hearts, with only Velicka playing up front, found it hard to make inroads into the Motherwell half with what scant possession they were winning. Velicka was able to get in front of his marker more often than not and knock down the balls that were played up to him, but his lay-offs tended to fall for an opponent rather than a team-mate.

As the half petered out in undistinguished fashion, it was evident that Hearts were going to require a radical change in approach if they were to maintain an interest in the competition.

Motherwell were looking increasingly comfortable on the ball, rightly regarding it as only a matter of time before they could force a way through and score the second goal which would surely be enough for them to claim a place in the last 16.

With only four outfield substitutes allowed in the competition, the options for Frail looked limited. Neither Lee Wallace nor Kestutis Ivaskevicius could be expected to make a difference further up the field from their accustomed positions, while the two forward substitutes Frail had chosen held little promise. Christian Nade has failed to impress in his recent outings, while Ricardas Beniusis has only had one competitive start for the club – in the opening game of the season, also against Hibs, when his play was embarrassingly poor.

In the event, it was Motherwell who made a change first, when Chris Porter was forced off after picking up a knock. He was replaced by Darren Smith

a couple of minutes before the break.

Hearts then altered both their personnel and formation for the start of the second half. Nade came on to partner Velicka up front, Cesnauskis went off, and Jonsson moved to the right of what was now a four-man midfield, with Mikoliunas switching wings.

Nade at least showed a willingness to head directly for goal the first few times he received the ball, and one of his runs was only halted when Keith Lasley brought him down and picked up the first booking of the evening. Robbie Neilson soon got the second for persistent fouling as the game threatened to lose any coherent shape.

Another, unexpected replacement was then made, when Stuart Dougal had to leave the pitch. Craig Thomson, the fourth official, took over refereeing duties.

With a little over an hour played, Hearts had a double opportunity to equalise from a Jonsson cross. Velicka shot first time from the edge of the six-yard box but his shot came back off the post, and Palazuelos sent the rebound over.

In the last ten minutes Nade brought a good save out of Smith after a run up the byeline, but moments later the Frenchman's control let him down when he should have been through on goal, and Smith smothered.

Paul Quinn and Mikoliunas were both booked in the closing minutes after a clash on Hearts' left wing. Jonsson followed them as the game entered its five minutes of time added on.

Motherwell: Smith, Quinn, Paterson, Reynolds, Craigan, Lasley, Hughes, Fitzpatrick, Porter (Smith 44), Clarkson, McCormack. Subs not used: Meldrum, McLean, Archdeacon, Murphy.

Hearts: Banks, Neilson, Berra, Karipidis, Goncalves, Mikoliunas, Jonsson, Palazuelos, Stewart, Cesnauskis (Nade 46), Velicka. Subs not used: Bjornsson, Wallace, Ivaskevicius, Beniusis.

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  • Last Updated: 23 January 2008 12:10 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Motherwell FC
 
1

Riley Hamish,

Edina 23/01/2008 00:47:15

Never mind the result........it's a GREAT night for Jambo fans...........this time you guys have got TWO referees to moan about !!!!!
Us 'Well fans are happy to have won, and regulars on these posts will know that I have been less than impressed with Hearts playing standards...(not that you give a t0ss about that,... nor should you)but it occurs to me that your team, whatever other critisism might be levelled, certainly DID NOT lack in spirit and endeavour....and when you've got that, you've ALWAYS got hope for the coming weeks.Nonetheless, it seems to me that Stevie Frail might...just MIGHT...be getting the chance to make a difference, given both time and opportunity. Could it be that the man to ressurrect your chances has been around all the time??
It's not my worry, but I can't see that another manager would get any more out of this (somewhat limited and over-paid) bunch who, it has to be said, ran Motherwell VERY close indeed after a nightmare first half.
2

KingKenny,

23/01/2008 00:48:36
Good Play Motherwelll. Next job is keep Ross McCormack
3

Kex fi Oxgangs,

Wellington NZ 23/01/2008 01:08:43
#1 Riley, first of all congrats to Motherwell who have come through a very tough time in the last few week's and i sincerely hope you go all the way and win it as it would be a fitting tribute to Phil O'Donnell and all concerned with your club. You must be happy that Mark McGhee look's like he'll be staying on?

As for my team, well i have to say that i am concerned with current set up. I really don't think Frail is up to the job but I would like to see him stay on and learn from a manager who can pass on a wealth of experience. The problem is finding someone of that calibre who would actually take the job. Velicka again playing a lone role up front. We desperately need some of quality who can link with him. Nade is not the answer. No mention of Driver being injured on the Hearts website!!! No mention of possible signings or a new manager!!! What a surprise.

Anyway, we have to get some sort of result at Pittodrie this weekend and regardless of tonights result we are still capable of beating what i consider to be an average Rangers side next week in the "Diddy Cup"
4

Media Scotland,

23/01/2008 02:26:00
Hearts were rubbish last night. Having paid to go to the game thinking they had turned the corner I must admit I was fooled.

The Hearts team is full of wasters, all of whom are mediocre to say the least. I would happily transfer list them all. Our best two players lately have been Palezuelos and Berra, both of whom would have been squad players at very best in Burleys team of only a couple of seasons ago.

I know I shouldn't live in the past but I'm fed up with this bunch of average players taking my well earnt money every week. Us Hearts fans are being ripped off by this shower.

Only a couple of years ago I was paying exactly the same money but instead I enjoyed going to watch scintillating, productive football. Now I'd rather watch Sunday league, at least there's some entertainment there!

Credit to Motherwell again though. They looked organised and passed us off the park. No point blaming the ref cos we never scored anyway!

Just shows what a good manager can do.
5

biggy shackleton,

TASMANIA 23/01/2008 02:36:53
Well done Ross McCormack...that laddie learnt his trade at Murray Park!
6

mill techniques,

adelaide 23/01/2008 03:41:03
rolland the jambo where are you
7

Jon Bon Jovi,

Dublin 23/01/2008 04:13:40
certain comment re the yams last night -

"hearts have been awfull, the type of football they've played has made my eyes bleed"

ouch!!!!!
8

North sea tiger,

floatin' aboot 23/01/2008 04:18:34
the appointment of burley for the scot's job, i'm sure is what all 'well fans are hoping for, as it will take the feeling of more loss away from your shoulders, a good win against the jambos should start to settle the players again, i'm sure after the recent events at motherwell all will come good.
good luck in the next round.
9

North sea tiger,

23/01/2008 04:21:28
#7 he's still down at the meadows earning some cash for the tuckshop!!!
10

Attilla the Hen,

Gorgie Road End, St. Etienne 23/01/2008 04:26:05
Well, I rather expected a cuffing, not 1-0 last night. Either way the opportunity had already been squandered in the second half at Tynecastle.

Here's hoping Motherwell go on to Hampden and lift the cup.

So, it's now exactly 3 weeks after the great promise to the fans and here are some rather obvious observations:
a. No new (independent) manager;
b. No new players;
c. Out the cup;
d. Relegation material;
e. January and thr season's virtually over.

But hey, we are getting a new stand.....sometime, perhaps, maybe.

Could someone from the supporters' collective kindly make an appointment with Pedro and remind him that Hearts' fans want a winning team on the park BEFORE all other considerations?
11

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 23/01/2008 06:35:49
Congratulations Motherwell you deserved victory. As for Andy Driver, I understand he wasn't fit. I can only go by the commentary and despite the passing game Moherwell played, Banks didn't have a great deal to do, both commentators thought penalty was soft. So really they beat a poor Hearts team who are lacking in quality personnel. That Hearts team beat a poorer Hibs team on Saturday. It showed they need someone who can take the ball out of the defence and run at teams like Kingston and Driver. Take out those two and they are in trouble. Both defences played well and McCormack was the man who made the difference. He took away any pressure from Motherwell and started attacking Hearts. Hearts despite 5 man midfield were outplayed in that department until they changed it. Nade made the difference as he got up more to support Vellicka. Five man midfield will work if you have players to link up with lone striker if you don't then like last night you are stuffed. For last couple of seasons now our heroes have been forced to play sub standard Lithuanians, yes i know had a few good ones, while sides like "well have been picking up quality young British players and other sides some good foreigners too. This is what happens when you don't have a proper manager in place. A proven manager who is give a budget to work with and buys the players he wants.
12

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 23/01/2008 06:49:17
According to yesterday's Herald Jambos are keeping an eye on McCormack situation. I think the lad now has cup winning aspirations and knows he will get a good offer in summer. If Hearts want him now they will have to make a decent offer to Motherwell and offer the lad decent terms. Slowly but surely some useless personnel are going and hope there are some more going soon. Although players returning to Kaunus are paid from same pot, at least we don't have to watch them.

Tynecastle just now is like a business with a large workforce where the odd 20% do little and still expect to be paid.
13

UrbanFox,

23/01/2008 06:50:14
Frail must go.
14

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 23/01/2008 06:53:05
It is understood Frail has a list of players he would like to sign, perhaps the fans can give Frail a list of players they would like to see move on. Any suggestions anyone.
15

GOA-JAMBO,

India 23/01/2008 07:10:47
Listened to Hearts World for last night game sounded awful, Media Scotland *5 post got it spot on they are all very poor players at Tynecastle we must have a new manager in place first before any new players come in, he whoever it is must take full control of team selection, Frail is just being treated as one of the lads by the players there is no respect for him from the players, the problem now looks as though we will have a manager in place before he end of January, so it looks as though the season is over unless Vlad makes a move very soon.
16

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 23/01/2008 07:31:22
After the performance we gave in the second half against Hibs, I did have serious doubts that we could win on the road against Motherwell, and my was I correct.
I have said before, that we are carrying far too many passengers in the team, and one player in particular can play like a lassie and get picked week in week out.
Frail said he knew who "his boys" were and who he could trust. He talked about taking fifteen points from five relatively easy fixtures.
Talk's cheap shaggy, but you are probably giving it your best. Sadly that, like some of the players we have, is not good enough.
I do think Motherwell can win this cup, and maybe lady luck will smile on them when they come up against any of the O.F.
This "winter" just rolls on and on.
17

No. 5 - Ibrahim Tall,

23/01/2008 07:40:51
Really lacking some players that know what it means to us jambos - Aguiar, Kingston and Tall. The team looks weak without them.

New players must be priority at the moment.. Although we dont seem to have start moving for anyone!
18

Gordonzola,

LIVINGSTON 23/01/2008 07:55:12
If that was the total sum of Frail's tactical nous then it's not only new players that Hearts need urgently.
19

hibee4life,

23/01/2008 08:16:07
hibee in peace here

just like 2 ask how many hearts fans out there are happy with the situation giving that when use beat us virtually every1 was saying use turn a corner now few days later hearts fans have changed their opinion again saying how bad their team is
20

busbyfh,

The old broken record stall 23/01/2008 08:24:09
Miko started last night.
Someone had to pick him.
Was it Vlad - Totally going back on his January 1st promise ?
Or was it Frail (with full autonomy) trying to crawl up Vlad's backside?
It has to be one of the two - as only an escapee from Carstairs would pick that man in his squad never mind a team.
Either answer - It has all gone wrong again.....Vlad choosing or a Scottish poodle rather than an Eastern European one.

I'm NOT blaming Miko for last night - I must stress this.
It is the principle and ethics of who chooses the team - A question that has caused huge concern for two or three years.

We must be back to square one - Owner picks or coach crawls (partially understandable due to SF family and mortgage - but that does not help us and me being selfish , is totally unacceptable)
21

Johnny Jambo,

23/01/2008 08:48:26
Very poor result and performance, however this will not change until we get a good quality manager in and he has the autonomy to bring in his own players and with the transfer windo only a few days from being over the likelyhood of this is slim. We might get a Manager in but no time to get the players we need to turn this season around.
Again this is Romanov playing with us, he made a statement about a manager weeks ago and nothing has happened. I said it before and I will say it again I am sure, no manager will come to Hearts unless he gets the full agreement from VR that team matters wil not be interfered with, now Romanov may have spoken to good managers and not given him that assurance or the most likely scenario, he has not spoken to anyone and has no intentions of doing so.
22

victor ian,

23/01/2008 08:53:37
the damage was done in the first game. if you get a home draw and fail to hang on to a 2-0 lead, you deserve to go out.

we deserve to be out.

motherwell have been one of the best teams in the league this season though, it's not a disgrace to lose to them at fir park.

to me there seems to be very little point being all cheery one minute when we start to show progress, only to start chucking the towel in when we have one narrow defeat away to a good team.

by all accounts they were rotten in the first half but miles better in the second when nade came on. surely this proves conclusively that we always need to play with 2 strikers.

if frail is picking the team and has total control, he's the man to blame. maybe this is a blessing in disguise if he ends up not getting the job on a permanent basis.

onwards and hopefully upwards.
23

Adso,

23/01/2008 09:01:12
#23

Not sure if it was conclusive evidence that two up front is better than one. Was certainly evidence that if the players put in some effort they will perform better. The first half was a disgrace - no effort or will to win - what's that all about?
24

FINLAYBAR,

the medway towns 23/01/2008 09:05:21
this season really has been just a waste of time. we are out the cup already, we are not going to make the split nor are we going to be relegated. our whole season now seems to hang on the semi final with rangers which we will probably lose.

the downturn in our fortunes was when larry got injured. we ve only won once since he got injured in training and gone on his african sojourn. another midfielder of his ilk is sorely needed.

would be great to see motherwell win the cup for their captain. don t begrudge them their win in the slightest to be honest.
25

Concrete Overcoat,

ready and able 23/01/2008 09:05:55
With only the League(Diddy) Cup now to play for I would be very surprised if Hearts brought any new players in before the end of January, we have no hope of qualifying for Europe and no chance of being relegated, so why spend money when we are already top heavy with first team players, we should use the rest of the season to see if theres any more players of Jonsson's quality in the reserves.

Then in the summer we can let the "New" manager pick his own players
26

victor ian,

23/01/2008 09:09:42
#24 adso, if they are not prepared to have some confidence in themselves and play some football on the deck, having 2 strikers seems like a necessity to me anyway. velicka can't be expected to do everything himself.

even on a radio commentary it was obvious that nade made a huge difference, in the air and on the deck.

i don't expect to see any half-assed comments from frail about his side being a good passing side. if they are then why didn't he insist they played football on the ground?

27

sangriaboy,

malaga 23/01/2008 09:10:35
Anglo Jambo:
Hearts keepng their eye on McCormack.
He would really need a very big knock on the head to go anywhere near Hearts.
The reason Hearts havent signed anyone is that they have no money.Something big is going to happen at tynecastle very soon and its not going to be about buying-its selling!I have it on good assurance that 1 player will be sold in Jan and 2 in the summer.
40 million debt=3 million interest,just to service the loan.I know its a "family" thing,but "families need fed"and the money is going out of the club.Never mind,the debt could be cleared in 20 years!
PS Romanovs similar plans in Lithuania(140m complex) and in Minsk(70 million) have all had approval a few years ago but work hasnt started.
28

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:11:45
I feel that the squad needs to be trimmed more than anything - that would be my first move anyway.

If we don't have crap to bring in then surely that would solve some problems?
29

Digit,

Halifax 23/01/2008 09:13:11
Nae luck lads, a bit harsh. But I must admit I would rather you guys than 'well in the next round.

Big game for both our seasons at Pittodrie on sat.

Stand Free!
30

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:14:38
#29

Here we go - another tube holding on in hope that Hearts go out of business.

Do you guys not just get so embarassed with clinging to that? I wouldn't even bring it up - we're at our lowest ebb for years and you still can't take advantage.

Sad cretins.
31

victor ian,

23/01/2008 09:14:48
when next season kicks off in july/august, mikoliunas will be playing in his 5th spl campaign. that is just not right. he's a passenger, a parasite, worse than a man short.
32

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:21:43
The really sad thing is Victor is that he isn't even the worse player we have on our books.

Neilson and Elliot are far worse offenders imo.
33

GrahamL,

23/01/2008 09:23:17
No disgrace in losing to Motherwell, away, to a solitary penalty. All the best to them in the rest of the season, a cup win a good league finish would be a fitting tribute.

Back to Hearts then - a fourth workmanlike but ultimately unsatisfying performance in a row. We're not as bad as we were a wee while ago, but still not good enough. We need a manager, we need players. We're far too late to do anything to this season - a complete write off as far as I'm concerned, so we need to look to next season. A new boss now wouldn't actually make a difference, but at least we'd be set to hit the ground running next season and - most importantly - it would be a sign that things had changed. I've said it a million times, talk is easy for Vlad, actions seem to be near impossible. That's what we need now, something, anything, some gesture that he means what he's said. It's fairly humbling to be reduced to that, that I'm now at a stage where I'll be happy with any demonstrable start to act like a real football club, but we are where we are: 10th and out the cup. Not good enough.
34

flogelsleftpeg,

23/01/2008 09:26:36
Miko played quite well last night and was a threat in the second half. First half we were gash but restricted them to one oppurtunity. The penalty was soft and no way would have been given at the other end.

No mention in the reoprt of Clarkson's 15 fouls and failure for either ref to book him. Is he untouchable now? Dirtiest player in the SPL by a long way.
35

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:31:28
A report on a Hearts game in an Edinburgh based paper - who would have thought?

Do us all a favour and stick to the P&J.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Cup-joy-for-McGhee-.3699881.jp
36

Its so Vriesy,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:32:58
Why was Chesney taken off over Miko? They were as quiet as each other and Miko should be first off every time. Why Frail is now picking the guy I have no idea. Everyone in Tynie thinks the guy is useless so why does Frail not agree? His first touch is getting worse the older he gets!!

Not surprised we didnt win last night, we blew it in the first game at Tynie. We may have managed to edge it if we had got them to extra time last night.

I have said it before and I will say it again, Motherwell are extremely average and if they lose McCormack and potentially Hughes they will be a very poor side. They have a manager who has got them fit and full of confidence which is making the difference.

We dont have a manager and will not get one until the summer - why would anyone take the job (apart from above average salary)? The players are average, unfit and extremely over paid. Nade - £18k, Tall - £15k and injured and wanting to leave, McCann - £12k and played around 20 games in 18 months, are we still contributing to Beslija's wages?.....the list goes on.

There is no sign of any new players coming in which I am not surprised about and we cant shift any of our dead wood because none of them have played for 2 years so nobody is going to buy them. Good example is Pospisil, if he had been playing, a Championship side would be after him but now the only team that wanted him was some unknown Belgian lot.

This is not going to be a quick fix. Driver must be attracting attention and may be offski. McCormack will not come to Hearts re posts above.

Out the Cup (shame with Dundee or Huntly in the next round)
Will do well to stay above Gretna (huge game against them coming up)
Out the CIS Cup next week

......not great when you break it all down!!
37

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:44:39
The link is a report on the Aberdeen game from the Scotsman - duhhhhhhhh.
38

Riley Hamish,

Edina 23/01/2008 09:45:38
As the "outsider" who's been giving stick to the Hearts fans and players this am, I'm aware that I'll be accused (especially being a 'Well fan)of being a patronising barsteward here, but I promise you, my parents are married...(altogether now....."but you're still patronising")....OK, OK.
Fact is that I've now seen Hearts last four games in a row, and while it is clear to you that you guys have problems, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that whatever else, the guys in the shirts are at least TRYING, and I wouldn't have subscribed to that view necessarily until now. Now frankly, I don't care that much who the Hearts manager is, but SF DOES seem to me to have instilled a more than a bit of drive and passion back into them, it's really just that a) In the main,they're not very good (with a few exceptions) and b) you've got an unbelievable amount of them (all of the same limited quality). Maybe THAT is where the manager would choose to start....with a bit of weeding !!
However hard I try, you'll understand (even if you don't approve) that I DO have a gentle smirk this morning, but in fairness (for which I am NOT renowned)I'd just like to take a moment to thank those various Jambos, (generous through the disappointment of another defeat) who have wished us well in the cup....and even more especially for their and their clubs handling of the Phil O'D sadness. The programme was an inspired idea, and the fans silence at the dignified start to the first match reflects credit on Jambos, and I know that 'Well fans will remember that.
Glad to have won, but we ALL need to remember that it IS only a game, and the good times could be just around the corner for each of us.......and anyhow....isn't it precisely BECAUSE we have bad times that the good times are just SO, SO magic when and if they do come along !!
Thank you Jambos,
...........(now let the keyboard battle re-commence)
39

GrahamL,

23/01/2008 09:46:00
#40 Hard to find, but it is out there:

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Smith-makes-it-a-double.3699816.jp
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Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 09:49:37
Its about this time when HOMFC have lost a important game that the publicity machine at tynie comes up with a new dimention on how the new stand's planning permission is coming along.
Talk about a smokescreen
Feeling much better now after having to have a few days in HIBERNation after Satardays display.
Never mind - we are still in the cup!!
41

CBJambo,

23/01/2008 09:54:26
There's a lot of supporters on here today bemoaning the performance of the team last night and true they were awful in the first half but did up the tempo in the second and were very unlucky not to draw level. The penalty was a very harsh decision but we are used to being hard done by, by the men in black.

Hearts didn't lose this cup tie last night, they lost it at Tynecastle when they threw away a 2 goal lead (something that only 2 seasons ago would never have happened). History tells us that we never fair very well against Motherwell in the cups, especially when we play them away from home.

The team does need some quality additions of that I have no doubt, but I fear these 'signing' targets will be few and far between and not of the calibre to help us climb the table (i'm thinking a long the lines of Maybury, Screpis and an un-named trialist). This season will be all about spl survival and maybe even getting into the top 6. I expect Frail to be given till the end of the season to manage and then we'll see a major squad shakeup, remeber Lopez has already said thet there is no rush to appoint a manager... they want to get it right... and look how long the sfa have dragged out their selection process!!!

There is no great shame in being beaten by Motherwell at Fir Park this season, Mcghee has his boys flyin high in the league, much like Burley did a couple of seasons ago. Well were the form team in this encounter and led by a very good manager were always going to be the favourites in this tie. I hope for Motherwell that they manage to get through to the final and I would be delighted for them if they went on to win it.

As for Hearts... we do need a mass clearout, we do need a manager, we do need new players.... we also need supporters.
42

GrahamL,

23/01/2008 10:03:32
#47 Nonsense. That's the whole "joy" of being a Hearts fan, nothing is ever unthinkable. We can beat anyone, we can lose to anyone. It's what makes it exciting. The last few months there's been a lot more of the latter, but there's been a lot more of the former than usual in the last 3 years too.
43

Riley Hamish,

Edina 23/01/2008 10:07:40
#46 ESKBANK JAMBO
Ho, Ho, Ho...Now THAT post is a real BEAUTY!!
Still in denial I see.
The pomposity of the "They are Motherwell, and WE are better than teams like them"......Oh Yeah??
Hearts ...10th in league.....out of the cup
M'well....3rd equal in league,(with 2 games still in hand) a zillion points ahead of Hearts ....and STILL IN THE CUP.
SO......Just talk us through what seems to pass for logic in your household again sir???
44

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 23/01/2008 10:08:50
No disgrace in going out to Motherwell. However I am very concerned about the lack of an apology to the fans from Frail. I do not appreciate having my time and money wasted on a working night travelling to a game, which thanks to Frail's baffoonery we had no chance of winning.

Miko in for Driver - terrible decision, why were Hearts playing two wingers on an heavy, bobbly and slippery pitch anyway?

A clearly unfit Stewart given the role of most advanced midfielder, presumably to link up with Velicka. When has Stewart ever shown any aptitude for playing such a role? The only midfielder who should have taken that role would have been Palazuelos. Velicka was completely isolated for the whole of the first half.

Half time - yes! Nade is on, but hold on - where is Cesney?! Frail, you made a mess of it again! The only penetration Hearts had in the first half was from Neilson and Cesney linking up, terrible decision from Frail. Also, why is Stewart coming out for the second half? He is definately not fit, has had no affect on the game at all other than to waste every set piece (which he continued to do for the whole of the second half also).

20 minutes to go, only 1-0 in a cup tie, we have 2 substitutions left. We have attacking players on the bench in Ivaskevicius and Beniusis. Yes they are not great, but surely they should have been on for the last 15-20 minutes in place of Miko and Stewart.

Frail's inability to affect the tie at Tynecastle and his incompetence last night are the reasons we are no longer in the Cup. Please Romanov bin him ASAP. The players may be enjoying training more - fine, that's where Frail's involvement should end.

I really can't see Frail ever managing Hearts or any other club on a permanent basis. His fuzzy and incoherent thinking will surely prevent him from gaining the necessary UEFA qualification.

45

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 23/01/2008 10:10:54
43*

It is not always about players trying, there is no doubt Frail has installed this, what worries the fans is his lack of nous when coming to tactics and selections. This is why some fans think there is a Romanov influence or as someone says he is trying to please Romanov. I think Frail has complete charge over selection, tactics and substitutions.

Despite your possession Motherwell fan how many chances did your team create.
Hearts defence performed well last night under constant pressure in fist half and in second half Motherwell defence did well. If the shot, and only if that shot from Velicka went in the headlines may have been different. You were gifted a penalty and as I said over the 90 minutes you deserved it, don't forget you struggled in second half against a team 3rd bottom of league.
46

Riley Hamish,

23/01/2008 10:15:05
#54 ANGLO JAMBO
The world is truly surreal this morning..........'cos I agree with EVERY WORD that you say here.
TO DIARY.
Am I feeling well? Check bl00d pressure? Make app't at doctors asap!!
47

GrahamL,

23/01/2008 10:16:41
#51 "since the introduction of the SPL and our expectations of finishing third every year"
Sine the introduction of the SPL?! that was what? 10 years ago?
Maybe you have higher expectations than I do, but before Vlads money came along my expectations were top half finish and a decent cup run. End of.
Yes we should be doing better with the money we're spending now, no doubt, but lets not pretend 'twas always thus.
48

GrahamL,

23/01/2008 10:27:08
#60 Aye, very glib. Well done.
But seriously, before Vlad came in you "expected" to finish top 3? Even though we managed it 3 times out of 7 seasons in the SPL?
See, to me, back then, top 3 was a very good season - exceeded expectations if you like.

I'm surprised, mainly because I've found supporting Hearts for the last - cough - years a bewildering and frustrating pastime. You must be almost suicidal by now if the club only manage to meet you rexpectations less than half the time!
49

busbyfh,

23/01/2008 10:28:57
Quite a few folk are on here saying Frail has improved things , He has - he has got us together , trying harder , things are happier and training is nice.
Great......that IS an improvement , but just before certain players and some fans try to get him the main job......How about picking a team and tactics/game plan......I heard that is important too.
Sorry SF - NOT convinced.(About a number of things)
50

Newcastle Jambo,

23/01/2008 10:32:01
I've said since last summer that this is the weakest Hearts squad for years and that they would struggle to finish top 6. Of course they are 3rd bottom well into the 2nd half of the season and out the cup in the 3rd round.

The squad has been systematically asset stripped while all we read about is increased debt.

If Frail IS now picking the team, he's not up to the job. Miko in the team AGAIN and one up front in a cup tie - not good enough.

A few days until the end of the transfer window and no manager or signings -not even players already signed appear to be coming (Screpis).

The last 2 years have brought in £12m in transfer fees, several millions from Murrayfield gate receipts and TV deals, sold out home games. And yet all we are told is that debt is now up from £23m to £30m and will go up to over £40m to fund a hotel and flats.

Sorry, I see no grounds for optimism at Hearts at all.
51

Newcastle Jambo,

23/01/2008 10:38:10
#59 Graham - if you go back to when Hearts were last promoted in 1983, you will find that for 25 years they have an excellent record of finishing 2nd (I think 3 or 4 times), 3rd several times and top 6 in most seasons. They have played in 5 cup finals winning 2 and countless semi finals. They reached the QF of the EFA Cup and were the first Scottish team to reach the groups stages in the re-vamped tournament. That and consistently the 3rd highest gates from a fantastic support is what tends to form the fans' expectations rather than some nutter shooting his mouth off about winning the CL.

Since the amazing squad that Burley assembled (building on some quality players assembled by JJ and CL) finished 2nd and won the cup in 2006, the preformances and results have been on a predictable slide due to the inept mismanagement of the club in every respect. I for one don't think the Hearts fans are wrong to expect better, especially when all of our best players are sold and little money is invested.
52

GrahamL,

23/01/2008 10:54:09
#67 Agreed. In the 24 seasons since 83 we've finsihed 2nd 4 times, 3rd 5 times, and in the top half 19 times.
So my expectations were top half of the league, and ambitions top 3. That's before Vlad came in, and - given the money spent - we should expect top 3 now at the very least. And we have spectacularly failed to deliver.
53

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 11:20:40
There are lots of Hearts fans looking back above how good things were compared to now.

There are a few saying let's hope next few games etc. Same thing Shaggy said like 15 out of 15.

There are a few comments about Romanovs false promises to silence the growing unrest of a few weeks ago, which the gullible swallowed YET AGAIN.

We are 10th and our ambition is now a top 6 finish! That should not be acceptable to HMFC supporters but it appears to be that most are just happy to whine.

Talk of a boycott against Gretna got a reaction from Romanov, statement of new manager and quality players, something needs to happen, we are a joke and deserve all we get from other teams supporters if we don't at least make some effort other than whine about our situation.

54

Prof,

23/01/2008 11:38:57
#56 Hope you express yourself better at the Doctors (Royal Edinburgh per chance?) than you do in your postings.
#70 didn't you confidently predict that the Hibs would thrash us on saturday?
55

Gorgie's Finest,

23/01/2008 11:49:45
Mornin guys i wont repeat my posts from last night after i got back from the match, all ill say is i still have the same opinions. Frail Must be replaced if we are to have any chance.

#67
NJ you say hearts have finnished most times in top 6. In actual fact Hearts are the only team in Scotland outwith the OF to have alwys finnished in the top 6 since the system was introduced. A fact im afraid will disapear come the split this year if Frail is kept as manager.
56

Vlad Magic,

23/01/2008 11:52:41
This season is turning out to be really quite weird. No one predicted Hibs and Hearts would be where they are now and likewise with Motherwell, United even Falkirk are up there!!

I have written this season off as a blip. We have consistantly performed well for the past 6 years well before Romanov took over. No point me even worrying about things for this season as its over for us. Couldnt give a monkeys if we dont make top 6.

Next season is where we need to see massive improvements. If we get a new manager before Feb then fine but Im not expecting a turn around before May. I will expect his influence and his players to perform a damn site better than they are at present when the new season kicks off.

Well done the well, you beat the worst Hearts team in Years by a single, soft penalty but you will soon return to mid table mediocrity allong with the rest of the unexpected high flyers this season.
57

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 23/01/2008 12:37:48
ref had to leave the pitch as he burst a rib p1ssing himself laughing at the champions league team getting humped again
58

Jamtastic,

23/01/2008 12:39:08
Mothy, I hate to disabuse you but Im a Hibby and I dont particular relish the idea of losing the Swinecastle hoofballers, if only becuase its good to have someone to laugh about.

I think your overstating the case here, we like to have a dig at you and vice versa, doesnt mean we wont your destruction.
59

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 23/01/2008 12:40:00
watch the cloth moth what hearts fan has a spare 51 million that mad vlad is going to leave you in debt with if you couldnt by out the pieman for 10 bob
60

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 23/01/2008 12:42:10
the prob with both teams is the folk running them have no ambition to get better because that would mean spending money on players petrie just wants to balance books mad vlad just wants hotels flats etc
61

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 23/01/2008 12:44:02
thats hearts season over be lucky to make top six thereby losing more fans and their money then mad vlad decides its not worth it and puts the into them admin
62

Lock,

23/01/2008 13:07:38
#47 Eskbank Jambo,

'To exit the cup to a team like Motherwell was unthinkable only a few seasons ago.'

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Bullocks. League cup semi final 'a few seasons ago' anyone?



63

Highland Hibby,

Inverness 23/01/2008 13:44:29
#85 The AFC Wimbledon guys thought the same as you down south "We would end up storming the lower leagues and be back up to the top in less than a decade". The Wimbledon plan started well, but has stalled a bit during the last couple of seasons. An Airdrie Utd type takeover (if possible) is a better way to go if the mad one detroys your club
64

Highland Hibby,

Inverness 23/01/2008 13:44:29
#85 The AFC Wimbledon guys thought the same as you down south "We would end up storming the lower leagues and be back up to the top in less than a decade". The Wimbledon plan started well, but has stalled a bit during the last couple of seasons. An Airdrie Utd type takeover (if possible) is a better way to go if the mad one destroys your club
65

Genial(sp) JC,

EDINBURGH 23/01/2008 14:01:19
47 Eskbank Jambo,

'To exit the cup to a team like Motherwell was unthinkable only a few seasons ago.'

-----------------------------

Bullocks. League cup semi final 'a few seasons ago' anyone?
-----------------------------
Going out to Airdrie three times in five years. Can't help thinking you've not been a Jambo terribly long
66

what a chancer,

abdn 23/01/2008 16:22:19
heavy pitch ,so why play two lightweight wingers,nade had influence simple with strength but dont ask him to sprint start,so the midfield was missing again for the first half,they were helping to defend because they could not win or hold the ball to make a pass to the wingers.
67

what a chancer,

abdn 23/01/2008 16:27:14
81 good point,you need competition,and what better than a banter with friends and relatives,for the rest get real its a game.
68

Jim Baxter,

Alicante 23/01/2008 17:32:37
Well done to Motherwell,the way we have been playing it would have been a surprise if we the Hearts got through.No use dwelling on what might have been if Burley was still our manager.He wasnt good enough for Romanov but hes the best to manage Scotland. Just shows you how much Romanov knows about running a club ers? As yet no new players and where is the Manager he promised? New Stand I will beleave it when I see it.
69

Fit o' the walk Jambo,

23/01/2008 19:01:27
#81 Hibs have about as much ambition as Hamilton Accies!! You seem so obsessed with all things relating to Hearts more than at your wee pitiful club! John Collins spoke volumes about your wage structure and the money he was never going to get because of the lack of ambition. I take it your still reeling from Saturday when another tally mark went against the weeteam's worst derby record in Europe?? Keep suffering supporting your weeteam as I've had so many better times following Edinburgh's biggest club that the wee Hibees are totally irrelevant as you haven't got much to shout about over Hearts have you??!!
70

Fit o' the walk Jambo,

23/01/2008 19:05:17
#86 Talking about Hearts' debt must make you feel a lot better as you must feel a right idiot comparing footballing statistics between Edinburgh's super flair myth Hibs against the much more successful Hearts! Why don't you read statistics up and you'll see why Hibs are trully Edinburgh's weeteam!!
71

Jamie346,

Glasgow 23/01/2008 19:29:18
looks like the only hope for the Edinburgh teams ( the slightly bigger one and the slightly smaller one) is to join up to get enough support to match the BIG TEAMS in glasgow. That way they might be sure of seeing European football in Edinburgh.Looks like the best is in the WEST and that includes Motherwell and Partick Thistle.
72

Riley Hamish,

Edina 24/01/2008 12:06:12
#72 THE MOTH
I must be hallucinating here...'cos I actually agree with every single word you've said.Firstly, my tribute to Hearts fans at the Motherwell sadness was genuine.....you guys were a credit to yourselves and to your club (who also made a very touching tribute re the special programme).
In addition, you can be VERY VERY sure that us 'Well fans are aware that any time we have in the sun is likely to be pretty fleeting, but in its own way, it makes it all the better when you've come through things like those of recent weeks, following several seasons way down in the doldrums after continuing poverty, administration etc (caused by our owner trying to compete financially with the OF by paying HUGE salaries to ordinary players,.....ring any bells??...rather like YOU guys are doing right now).
As for losing our best players....it's kind of inevitable,..... but I still get a kinda second-hand thrill of reflected glory at seeing McFadden etc. do so well at the higher level. Frankly, Hearts fans must do the same thing at times.
Nonetheless, I was heartened to see so many Jambos here wish us well in the cup which, (while I don't yet think of us as likely winners), gives us hope that during this short window of good play (although we weren't too much ahead of Hearts in the second half the other night) we might yet get something from a very up,n'down season (for reasons that you all understand)that'll doubtless be required to keep us going for the next God-knows how many years......but isn't it the many bad times, that make the GOOD times just SO worthwhile???.
As for Hearts ....seriously,.... despite the canings I give (and receive) here...I DO NOT hate the club...but just don't get me started at what I see as your failure to organise (and get off yer 4rses) for what I see as an inevitable battle to come between you guys and a certain Cha-Cha Champion. GO FOR IT GUYS!!

 

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