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Published Date: 14 June 2008
NETHERLANDS 4
Kuyt (10), Van Persie,(59), Robben (72), Sneijder (90)
FRANCE 1
Henry (71)
FIVE days ago, the Netherlands were the side many predicted might be the fall guys in the mother of all Groups of Death. Instead, it was France who joined Italy at the bottom of Group C last night as Scotland's opponents in the 2010 World Cup clinched three more remarkable points to reach the quarter-finals of Euro 2008 with a game to spare.

If the 4-1 win was slightly harsh on France and not always as convincing as that which dispatched the world champions, also by three goals, on Monday, it was a sublime display of counter-attacking football by Marco van Basten's team and turned the tournament on its head, with the 2006 World Cup finalists now in serious danger of elimination.

Van Basten wasn't completely satisfied, however. He said: "We didn't play as well we did against Italy. We started well but in the middle of first half, we didn't play very good football and had a few a problems with their pressure. Luckily we were able to defend quite well and in the second half I made a couple of changes which thankfully worked.

"If you ask me if I expected to be in the quarter-finals after two matches, of course I would have to say no. Today if truth be told we were a little bit lucky but scoring goals at the right moment helps a lot."

French coach Raymond Domenech rued the referee's refusal to award a penalty when Thierry Henry's shot struck a Dutch arm in the box after the interval. "We did try but poor finishing, the opponents' goalkeeper and the refereeing stopped us from scoring the goal that could have put us back into the match," Domenech said.

"It's a pity we didn't have video. I don't like looking for excuses but this is not an excuse, it was an arm."

In the build-up to the match, William Gallas admitted that his side would have to change their style and take more risks, and Domenech responded by restoring Henry, France's all-time top scorer with 44 goals, in place of Nicolas Anelka as one of three changes. Van Basten, in his 50th game in charge, not surprisingly sent out an unchanged side, with Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink again among the substitutes.

It was obvious straight away that France were in a different mood, taking the game to their opponents but also taking no prisoners as Claude Makelele clattered into Dirk Kuyt and was lucky to escape a booking. But with just ten minutes on the clock, they were rocked back by the simplest of set-pieces, Rafael van der Vaart's corner headed home by Kuyt with the French marking, and Florent Malouda in particular on the eve of his 28th birthday, all over the place.

The goal sent the orange-clad hoardes into a frenzy but despite trailing, the French continued to look a lot more convincing than they did on Monday, when they had only one shot on goal. Only Edwin van der Sar's outstretched leg thwarted Sidney Govou while Franck Ribery began to live up to his star billing, showing great touches.

Makalele, imposing himself far too dangerously on Van der Vaart, at last went into the book but France were getting closer, Van der Sar saving in quick succession from Malouda – who owed his team one after failing to prevent Kuyt's goal – Govou and Ribery. Henry was narrowly wide with a trademark turn and shot reminiscent of his Arsenal days but Van Basten's team were cheered off at half-time after tenaciously keeping their lead.

France once again came bursting out of the traps after the break, their players surrounding the German referee to no avail after Henry's fierce shot struck the arm of Blackburn's Andre Ooijer. As France's hopes receded with every passing minute, Henry missed a chance he would have taken with his eyes shut a couple of seasons ago, pouncing on to Malouda's flicked pass but clipping the ball over the bar.

Van Basten made another change, a straight swap between Robin van Persie and Kuyt, and Sneijder immediately proved how threatening his team could still be on the counter with a dangerous header. France didn't read the script and in a matter of moments, Van Basten's subs doubled the lead. On 59 minutes, Arjen Robben collected Van Nistelrooy's cheeky backheel and burst down the left. Van Persie was quickest to react to the pinpoint cross though Gregory Coupet can consider himself unlucky not to have stopped it creeping over the line.

This time, you could not help but feel sorry for the French, who didn't deserve to be two behind. With 20 minutes left they gave themselves a fighting chance with a glorious near-post flick from Henry. But instead of building on that, once again the 2006 World Cup finalists just couldn't defend. Straight from the kick-off, Robben restored Holland's two-goal lead, cutting inside a shaky-looking Lilian Thuram and thumping the ball past Coupet.

A demoralised France took off Govou and replaced him with Anelka, only for Van Nistelrooy – who deserved a goal for a sublime performance – to stretch for a lofted header that had Coupet scrambling back and palming the ball away just before it nestled in the corner.

There was worse to come for the French. With virtually the last kick of the game, Sneijder turned and shot in one movement and Coupet couldn't get near it. What a game.

Netherlands: Van der Sar, Boulahrouz, Ooijer, Mathijsen, Van Bronckhorst, De Jong, Engelaar (Robben 46), Kuyt (Van Persie 55), Van der Vaart (Bouma 78), Sneijder, van Nistelrooy. Subs not used: Timmer, Stekelenburg, Heitinga, De Zeeuw, Melchiot, De Cler, Huntelaar, Afellay, Vennegoor of Hesselink.

France: Coupet, Sagnol, Thuram, Gallas, Evra, Govou (Anelka 75), Toulalan, Makelele, Malouda (Gomis 60), Ribery, Henry. Subs not used: Mandanda, Frey, Boumsong, Abidal, Vieira, Benzema, Nasri, Clerc, Squillaci, Diarra.

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Der Kaiser,

14/06/2008 00:09:06
Think we could be looking at the Euro 2008 champs already. Thought Holland were awesome. Mr Burley has his work cut out in the World Cup qualifiers even if Holland only play half as good as they did tonight.
Don't think I'm the only Jock as well who has a wry smile on his face seeing Italy and France propping up that group.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

14/06/2008 00:11:38
Be afraid, Scotland. Be very afraid.

Whilst we have long lamented the frustrations of narrowly missing out on a place at the Euro 2008 table, we have, in the same breath, found ourselves encouraged by the difficulties that we posed to both Italy and, in particular, France.

Holland, however, haven't "posed difficulties" for either Italy or France. They have, quite simply, torn them apart with football that is more from a different galaxy than merely a different planet.

The 2010 World Cup qualifying group that contains both Holland and Scotland already looks like a battle for second place, and the lottery of the play-offs. We can only hope that we can negotiate this tricky path.

In the meantime, our visit to Amsterdam next Spring can only hold the uneasy fear that the ignominious capitulation of our "bravehearts" when Berti led them to the same destination, could be repeated if we fail to excel on the day.

The future of Euro 2008 is Orange. The future for Scotland is frightening.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 00:23:23
Is it not funny that leading up to this tournament the Scotsman's reporters were predicting that the Dutch would self destruct.

Even today they are saying 4-1 was a little harsh on the French.

The Dutch hammered the French who were in the game for about 20 minutes total. The French like the Italians look an old and tired team.
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Scullion,

Canada 14/06/2008 02:00:56
What kind of juvenile football system does this relatively small country have that produces some of the finest talent and teams in the world-and more, why can't Scotland copy them?
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Mikey,

14/06/2008 07:42:41
#7, I know this is hard for you to understand, but #6 was talking about the Scottish football team.
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Mikey,

14/06/2008 07:45:09
#6, just look at the likes of Ajax, who are a selling team. Their youth system picks up great Dutch kids, brings them on and then sells them to bigger clubs.

The difference is that the Dutch kids don't seem to burn out as quickly as the Scots kids do. Something to do with the SPL, perhaps?
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Garry S,

Kennoway 14/06/2008 07:46:41
Dont worry everybody. By the time we play them, the Dutch will have all fallen out with each other and be in their usual disarray when the crunch comes. Lets hope so, anyway!
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Media 1,

cape town 14/06/2008 08:11:11
As soon as the draw was made we all knew Scotland would be competing for second place, so no knew surprises here!
I cant believe that people thought Holland would be the fall guys. With players like Kuyt, Van Persie, Robben, Van Nistelrooy and company it was always possible they were going to win the tournament!
Scotland can maybe get second! And then win a qualifier play off and I will be at every game during a cold south african winter
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Richardinho,

14/06/2008 08:20:10
Fantastic performance from the dutch. I think France were a bit unlucky. As good as Holland were, their last 3 goals were all counter attack goals. it would have been interesting if France had managed to equalise when they were only one down.

Tournament history is littered with teams who went up like a rocket in the group stage only to disappear from view later on.
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Bosco Bhoy,

14/06/2008 08:27:08
Cant believe how many punters are willing to go out on a limb and make bold predictions with a national team such as Holland. Yes they have played 2 excellent games and and they do look like they have the potential to go through the whole tournamaent playing in similar style.

But what odds on them not having the mental strength to grind out the result the night their play isnt so scintilating. The Holland's, the Portugals, the Spains of this world need to demonstrate to us that they have the baws to do the unglamorous stuff.
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A big boy dun it an ran away,

14/06/2008 08:46:15
So what qualifying for the WC 2010 was always going to be difficult, with the Dutch playing well it gives Burley an ideal opportunity to study them carefully and develop a plan. If they were playing terrible we would already be writing them off, thank goodness they aren't.
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Media 1,

cape town 14/06/2008 08:55:49
The problem for Scotland is this; If we play at 100% of our ability and take every chance we create and Holland play at 70% of their ability and take 50% of the chances they create, they still win!
So we need massive amounts of luck to make it to SA
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Shug,

14/06/2008 08:56:09
17. Spot on. Holland are ripe for the plucking. With a full compliment of players we can beat Holland. All it has shown is what a balls Mcleish made of the qualifying group. Italy and France are both guff and we should really have won the group. If we can cut out the Georgia type calamities and actually believe in ourselves there is no reason why we cannot beat Holland at Hampden. A dour 0-0 away draw is then not so implausible. Bring it on.
What Holland have shown is that you can play attacking free flowing football. Probably a vain hope but Scotland should drop this 1 man up front 5 man midfield nonsense and attack. I would rather have a go and lose 6-0 than sit back and wait to get picked off ala Ukraine and Italy away. Get MacCormack, McFadden, Burke etc on and give it a go.
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Media 1,

cape town 14/06/2008 09:03:39
SHUG

I appreciate your passion, it is nice to hear!
Personally, I am more pragmatic. You know as well as I do that Burley cant have a go, he doesnt have the pace or the talent to have a go. Problem is, if we have a go, WE WILL be beaten 6-0 so why not try and scrape a draw defending,maybe even clinch a win by getting exceptionally lucky.
Scotland is a mediocre football nation at best, we are nowhere near as good as Holland. You know full well that if Holland can be likened to the Man United, Scotland can be likened to the Bristol Rovers and that is the bottom line.
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LochLomond,

Balloch 14/06/2008 09:07:46
"If we can cut out the Georgia type calamities and actually believe in ourselves there is no reason why we cannot beat Holland at Hampden."

Yes, we can, but realistically we will not gub the others. Holland probably will.
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Shug,

14/06/2008 09:15:21
Media 1. Lets see how the tournament progresses. I think Italy and France are both poor sides who think the are good. I think tactically they have got it wrong against Holland. A little less arrogance and they would have set their teams out differently and made it a lot harder for Holland. Others teams will of course be watching and the Croats and Germans of this world will be much sterner opposition.

Must just be my personality but I cannot stand Scotland being negative. It cripples the spirit of players. Give me Ali Macleod and glorious failure any day. The rot set in with Roxburgh and Brown when suddenly we were talking ourselves down and every team we played were some how superior. How would you feel as a player if before each game your manager effectively went on telly and said "Aye, their really good and we are pretty poor really etc etc"

Hopefully Burley will inject a bit of passion. The tam has been playing pretty well and there seems to be a lot of good young players coming through. Quite how they keep churning them out in Holland I do not know but we need to have a close look at what they do over there.
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Shug,

14/06/2008 09:23:54
Tim. I think Miller is a very misunderstood player. He is not a striker and I don't know why he is continually played as one or expected to get 20 + goals a season. I would have him in my Scotland team any day because as you say he runs his socks off, works hard for the team and his link up play is first rate. you do not want him one on one with goalies etc on a regular basis. That's a job for the Boyd's of this world.
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Garry S,

Kennoway 14/06/2008 09:45:52
hey Media 1, will you stop being so realistic!?

and anyway, I dont think our players are half as bad as sometimes portrayed. On the right day, at home, (even away, viz France) we can beat anybody. Holland are bloody good, but by no means invincible. France were gash. And our current FIFA ranking would back me up. We're perhaps not as good as the top teams, but we are better than a lot of others!
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LochLomond,

Carman Hill 14/06/2008 09:47:02
Tim

"LRFC" that's really funny and you obviously think so since you keep using it. Are you a writer or a comedian in real life?
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Garry S,

Kennoway 14/06/2008 09:51:04
i was pissing myself when Romania got their penalty against Italy. Maybe now they know how such injustice feels, hah! Pity that wee MOOTOO missed it....
Italy are gash, and deserve to go home rapidimento.
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I-Mac,

14/06/2008 09:53:51
Interesting (though hardly surprising) that Kenny Miller is brought up in this international discussion. Successive managers have made him first-choice striker for the national side so, if he's as bad as some people on here are making out, Scotland are really in trouble.

Holland were terrific again last night. Can they keep up it up? The winners of tournaments quite often don't start well.
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Barney Rubble,

14/06/2008 09:56:02
An article about a superb Dutch side, taken off on a tangent by a Celtic fan making comments about Rangers! :rolleyes:

Anyway...The dutch at times look simply awesome. Superb counter attacking football to destroy to ageing greats. The RVN pirouette, Robbens run and cross and RVPs finish for the 2nd was brilliant. Sneijder is looking every bit the player he is tipped to be.

The big difference, for me, is that there is a togetherness that is often missing in Dutch squads. So often in-fighting and squabbles have caused the Dutch to self destruct. There are no 'superstars' or ego's there now. I tipped Spain, and still do, but the Dutch have been a breath of fresh air in this tournament. Spian v Holland in the Semi's - bring it on!!!
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Garry S,

Kennoway 14/06/2008 09:57:24
guys

still fancy Croatia...damn fine side who play as a team. Like Scotland with slightly better fotballers.
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 10:00:17
I-Mac, 31

Kenny Miller will try hard but he's a highly paid goal famine.

He wasnt good enough for Celtic, but he might be OK at Scotland's second Club.
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 10:00:54
Garry 33

slightly?
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 10:02:55
BTO 25

I wouldnt bother.....
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Garry S,

Kennoway 14/06/2008 10:02:56
ok, they are better. But i still dont buy into this
extreme inferiority thing. in fact, it really ticks me off! We have players who can ask questions of any defence. We just dont much, for some reason.
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I-Mac,

14/06/2008 10:03:49
"He wasnt good enough for Celtic, but he might be OK at Scotland's second Club." (#34)

Oh! You've cut me to the quick there. :0)

Miller could be a good partner for Boyd at both club and national level. Miller could do most of the hard work and Boyd could score the majority of the goals. We'll see.
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Garry S,

Kennoway 14/06/2008 10:04:10
or am i just being overly-optimistic?
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 10:08:04
I-Mac, 38

There are two football roles for Kenny:

1/ Lone "striker" in a 4-5-1 away from home against good quality opposition in the CL.

2/ Chasing a game, bring him on at 75\80 mins to run at tired defender and be a pain in the erse. A bit like Ivan Sproule ut without scoring ability.
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Bosco Bhoy,

-----Donegal------ 14/06/2008 10:56:47
Shug 19


I do think you suggesting that Scotland can beat Holland as they beat France twice is a tad hopeful.

First Scotland were amazingly lucky in both matches against the French and what is the probability of that sort of luck being repeated?

Secondly France are way overrated and have far less individual talent than the current Dutch squad.

Thirdly the Dutch i feel wont be as cocky as the French were re the Scotland matches and will turn up and do a professional job.

Keeping the score less than a 3-0 against the Dutch will be a job well done for a very mediocre Scotland team IMHO.
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A big boy dun it an ran away,

14/06/2008 11:44:42
Let's not forget both Italy and France have got through the Dutch defense but Van der Sar is just unbeatable at the moment, BUT he has to stay that way to stay No 1 for United. IF he falls out of favour and his confidence goes OR he gets injured, the Dutch might not be so solid at the back.
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A big boy dun it an ran away,

14/06/2008 12:03:58
# 45

WOW thanks for putting me right in ma place, fancy me not noticing that?
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14/06/2008 12:05:32
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A big boy dun it an ran away,

14/06/2008 12:12:31
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Hey thanks again.

Nice to share space with a football guru like you, how long you been a pundit at the professional level, and how do you get a microphone up GS's back passage along with your head?
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14/06/2008 12:16:18
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 12:23:34
Hi Tim, 53

Like the latest pseudonym?

Recorded on 11th June 1968!
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 12:40:51
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What is sad that a thread about a terrific EURO2008 match, and someone is trying to be turned into a religous debate.

Get a life Pax.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 12:58:13
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Should say,,,"someone is trying to turn it into a religious debate"
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Silence of the Yams,

14/06/2008 13:05:24
That gimp Martin O'Neill tipping that French side!! lol!! If Man U lose Ronaldo they must get back Van Nistelroy and sign Sniejder.
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 13:12:18
Daily 58

Lying again, Dailly? Quelle surprise....

Were such a debate to evolve it would be about BIGOTRY in Scotland, NOT religion.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 13:21:09
Blackbird/ Pax outed

You have been found out Pax, how many names now have the Scotsman made you use?

Not tired of all you're red cards.

The good thing is the regular posters on the threads have a good idea what you are.

You last sentence in you're post mentions a religion, bigotry is someone who will not except anothers opinion in debate, nothing to do with what you posted.

Have a nice day you sad, bitter wee man.

Holland to go all the wayin EURO 2008.
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Zambo,

14/06/2008 13:50:06
No OF angle = no debate
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 14:50:05
Dailly, 61

just as the regulars here know you are a pathalogical liar. Examples available.

When you say "except", do you actually mean "accept"?

I will NOT accept bigotry. I will NOT accept lies.

Now, plainly my stubborn refusal to accept bigotry and lies regularly places us in conflict - that's something YOU should reflect upon.

I'd like to see Holland win in Euro 2000 too, Dailly. It would be nice to see something good come from the orange - rather than the bigotry and badness associated with orange in our beautiful wee country.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 15:38:05
64 Pax

Please excuse the spelling mistake.

Yes Pax we all know how you love the word "liar", you keyboard hardman.

Lets try to stick to the football as I could never hope to compete with you in the bigotry argument, you have so much more experience.

Sad, bitter, outed wee man.

Have a nice day.
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 15:52:27
Dailly, 65

It wasnt a spelling mistake, Dailly - you used the wrong word.

I use the word *liar* to describe those who lie. You're a good example. Examples available.

Sadly, I do have a vast experience of bigotry, Dailly, but then many Scottish Catholics have encountered that same filth. I will continue to post here against bigotry and badness whether you like it or not.

I will NOT accept bigotry. I will NOT accept lies.

Now, plainly my stubborn refusal to accept bigotry and lies regularly places us in conflict - that's something YOU should reflect upon.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 15:58:42
66 bto

Hope all is well and there has not been much damage.

Don't worry I will cease to exchange with the sad wee bitter man, as previously stated all who frequent these forums know what the man of many names is.

I think he should just call himself "redcard" it's a perfect fit.

Have you been getting the EURO matches live over in Japan? Have you been able to get tickets to the tics Far East tour matches?
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Malc.F,

france 14/06/2008 16:07:19
Once again a post is hi-jacked by OF fans,this is meant to be about last nights match. For the record France had 26 goal attempts to 16 by the Dutch,the difference is that they had a defense worthy of the name and a superb goalie and France had several past its,Thuram and Sagnol spring to mind, one player who more and more is resorting to cynicisn Makelele a completely undisciplined shouting fool Gallas and up front Malouda who fears any contact.
So all in all it's no surprise that the Dutch deservedly won but I will be mighty surprised if they win overall Italy are very poor and France are not much better. I think France will do the business against Italy but I fear that the Dutch will not try too hard against Romania who apart from the negativity employed against France are not a bad team so I will get ready to kiss goodbye to my 15.5-1 bet on France.
My usual gripe against the BBC continues with Lawreson's obvious bias against the French which is without foundation when you consider their fantastic record in recent years and their commitment to entertaining football,not to mention hammering the much vaunted Brazil twice. Sorry Mark I used to like you but you are obviously pissed off that no British and Irish sides qualified and the frogs are an easy target. Who knows you may be laughing on the other side of your face soon.
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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 16:51:59
MalcF, 69

I'm not an OF fan.

I'm a Celtic fan.

Please DONT associate us wi that other mob.
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The Truth Hurts,

14/06/2008 19:21:26
Galling to see the poisoned spawn of the House of Orange succeeding with their rope-a-dope tactics against two of Europe's finest Catholic states, but they'll unravel spectacularly when the pressure of the knockout stages begins, and their "colourful" fans will treat Berne to a re-run of the scum invasion of Manchester.

They're fundamentally flawed and will be found out, just like the sub-standard crew that stunk out the bigotdome a few years ago such as Numan, Van Bronckhorst, De Boer, Ricksen, Mols etc. MON came in and tore them a new rectum, and brought the F.T.P house of cards tumbling down as he set up the 21st Century new order.
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Mincepie765435,

Alba 14/06/2008 19:21:31
Now, so who thinks we will be playing in South Africa in 2010...
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 14/06/2008 19:25:11
Every year we arrange for some of our kids to visit Holland and to play football.

Football is never the same for them again, quite simply the system is superb.All kids must master touch first. Then foot skills, and then learn to enjoy playing with the ball. All games are small sided, until 13 or 14.
Tactics and position come much later. All players attack, and defend with equal commitment.

Scotland has learned, and are doing something about the atrocious state of the game back home. However the Dutch have been developing this model for 50 years or so, ( Portugal and Spain too.)England quite frankly are worse than us, when all their resources are factored in.

Let us be patient, and wish our boys the best.

All the best.

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Kirrie Tim,

14/06/2008 19:27:14
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THE '2WAT YOUR FATHER RODE

Strange, all your previous incarnations referred to "King Kenny" as "Misser".

I posit that you are a complete w@nk3r.

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---Blackbird---,

14/06/2008 19:47:58
Daillyman

I see you've been at the "Report Unsuitable" button again. How pathetic.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 21:43:52
79 The man of many names

Think what you please, you sad wee man.

I have told you many times I would sooner the moderator leave you posts on the thread for all to see.

80 Tim

Naturally the tic fans are are always right, its just a pity that some of them cannot see another point of view.

Have a nice night brethern.
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scottish turk,

14/06/2008 22:14:23
i have not been on here for a long time but i see things have not changed.
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Daillyman,

14/06/2008 22:42:50
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Much the same, but Pax has gone through a few name changes due to red cards, he is now "Blackbird"
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Colin P,

15/06/2008 06:16:25
I'm sorry to see that the same sad b@stards have taken over a Euro story with their same sad p1sh about Celtic and whoever they hate this week...oh, it's Rangers???? surprise, surprise!!! lol
Congrats to the Dutch national team for their impressive victories.
No complaints from Celtic fans about the colour of their strips??

Thought not.


 

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