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Published Date: 07 January 2009
THE Scottish Rugby Union published their most recent set of participation figures yesterday, claiming a ten per cent increase to approximately 30,500 in the number of adults and youths playing the game during the last year. According to the SRU there are now 20,000 youth players and 10,500 adult players in Scotland.
But the governing body conceded that the calculations leading to these figures relied heavily on judgement calls and educated guesses, because the online registration system which is supposed to hold the details of every player in Scotland remains wo
efully inadequate, with the names of many players being recorded several times while other names on the list identify those who have long since hung up their boots.

As a result the SRU has had to look at a number of different sources, such as club membership and insurance returns, school affiliate membership returns, and feedback from club development officers around the country.

"We have had to corroborate our evidence and on occasion make educated guesses based on local knowledge, but we are pretty confident we are fairly close to an accurate figure," said Colin Thomson, the head of community rugby for the governing body.

"It is the same process we went through in each of the last two years, so we are comparing like for like when we say that playing numbers have increased by 21 per cent since 2006.

"This has come about from putting in place a regional development network a few years ago, from going out and discussing with local authorities and local clubs the best way to grow the game, and from appointing some 60 jointly funded local development officers who have had an impact at grassroots level.

"The bulk of it has been done by clubs and schools getting on with it, supported by the SRU. The key thing for me is giving credit to the school teachers and club volunteers who are sitting down and planning, and going out and working in a co-ordinated way with local authorities, so that real progress is being made. This has all been planned, whereas three years ago it was more of an ad-hoc situation."

An increase in excess of 20 per cent in just two years seems to be a remarkable achievement, but Thomson says that these advances should be viewed in the context of the ground which has been lost during the last two decades.

"Back in 2007, we set out in our strategic plan a target of 38,000 players by 2012, and the reality is that when we reach that number we are just getting back to the point we were at a few years ago. We currently have 20,000 youngsters playing, whereas in the early eighties there was 24,000 youngsters playing, so at the moment we are just recovering lost ground," he explained.

The SRU runs the risk of being accused of 'spin' with the publication of these figures. Sceptics are bound to ask questions about the apparent disparity between those said by this report to be playing the game and the number of sides being fielded on a regular basis.

There are a total of 267 registered teams playing rugby in 24 official leagues at various levels in Scotland (from Premier One down to Division Six West of the 2nd XV leagues), and if each of these sides field an average of 25 players this season then that only amounts to 6,675 – some 3,825 less than the SRU figure of 10,500 adult players in Scotland.

"Not all teams play in league competitions," said Thomson in response. "For example, not all 3rd XVs play in leagues. You've got intramural players at university, you've got Scottish Women's Rugby Union players, the army, golden-oldie teams – none of these sides play in those leagues.

"You will also find that teams playing at a more social level have a much greater turnover of players because people can't commit to every Saturday. There is a good indication that more and more people are making themselves available, and even if a guy is only available once or twice a season, we've still got to include them in our calculations."

Another point on which the SRU might be accused of massaging the figures is with their claim yesterday that: "Entries for the 2008/2009 Bell Lawrie Scottish Schools Cup have set another new record with 35 more teams entering Scottish Rugby's flagship schools competition than ever before. The tournament has broken entry records for the past three consecutive years with the total number of competing teams soaring from 184 in 2006/2007 to 244 in 2008/2009 – a massive 33 per cent increase."

In fact, of the 244 entrants into the competition at under-15 and under-18 level this season, 39 were forced to withdraw in the early rounds, suggesting that growth has not been quite as uncontainable as Murrayfield would have us believe.


IN NUMBERS

10
The year-on-year percentage growth in the number playing rugby at both adult and youth level in Scotland as announced by Scottish Rugby yesterday.

30,500
The current number of people playing rugby since the Scottish Rugby development restructure in 2006. The number has risen by around 21 per cent from circa 24,200.

24
The approximate percentage figure by which the number of young people playing rugby has increased – from around 15,200 to circa 20,000.

60
Approximate number of jointly funded club development officers (CDOs) employed across the country dedicated to recruiting and retaining rugby players, coaches, referees and volunteers in local communities.



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  • Last Updated: 06 January 2009 10:39 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Robinski,

07/01/2009 01:47:48
Let's face it, the SRU are attempting to claim progress but only after 10 years of incompetance and mismanagement. Shame on the SRU for the damage inflicted on rugby in Scotland
2

scooter,

07/01/2009 08:23:48
#1 Robinski:

There's a nice, Scottish way to respond to good news. The numbers quoted may be over-optimistic, but they do at least seem to be going in the right direction.
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07/01/2009 08:43:00
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J.A.,

Gala 07/01/2009 08:46:31
It’s encouraging to see that numbers at youth level are reported to be rising. The true test of this will be how many of them convert into adult players. Only then will we know that they have not manipulated the youth numbers.
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Kenny Boy,

07/01/2009 09:36:45
#4 JA that is exactly the most important thing that should be measured and I am in a job that allows me to continually remind them of this. I am not sure if they are brave enough to track the progress of the youngsters.
However, things are definitely getting better. Everyone has their own story but mine matches the SRU numbers. I don't doubt there are still issues to sort out regarding some double counting but I'm in a club that puts out 2 strong XVs every week (with a completed 2nds fixture list), a 3rds starting, a colts team and 150 juniors every Sunday. I also work in an area where juniors are increasing due to a new development officer. It's not all bad!
#3 How right you are. Clubs, schools and volunteers are the only people who can improve things with the support of the new DOs. That's the only way it's working in my area.
6

J.A.,

07/01/2009 10:19:20
#5
I know in my own club of Gala the youth development system has constantly produced players, the problem we face is the drop off when they go on to do further education. It would be great to see a larger number going into adult rugby even its only at 3rds or 4ths level, they all count.
What is the answer?
Is there an answer?
7

Tobias Smyth,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 10:44:46
re #5

Answer - Summer rugby.
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07/01/2009 11:18:36
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Country Life,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 11:26:18
There's a drop out in the early rounds of the Bell Lawrie every year, so unless it's significantly higher than last year that's not relevant.

When I grew up in Crieff there was no rugby club, there is a thriving club now that puts out 2 senior sides, a girls side and minis. Recently a new club was founded in Pitlochry that draws players from a wide are and is doing well at all levels. Breadalbane (Aberfeldy) put a team into the Bell Lawrie for the first time this year.

These are the green shoots that give cause for optimism and need nurtured.
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Country Life,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 11:29:37
Re 8.

We agonised long and hard about our minis. We had 4 teams in each year which were all of mixed ability. We decided to stream them as the better players were being held back, and the weaker were getting hammered in games. Key was they all get the same level of attention and all get regular games with other clubs so no one feels discriminated against.

It is working really well and everyone is enjoining themselves.
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07/01/2009 11:34:29
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Kenny Boy,

07/01/2009 11:53:18
#8 my club does the same and is fully behind long term player development and trying to keep them in the sport but JA in #6 highlights the difficult part when kids move on from school. How do we keep them in the sport? This is our first year at getting a colts team out so we will see how beneficial it has been next year when we see how many play senior rugby. We have also set up an academy which includes ex-internationalists helping out to try and prepare the kids for senior rugby. Anything is worh trying to help the transition into senior rugby. Even though it is difficult in the borders to retain players as kids move on the study in the cities it is important they at least contiune to play
13

J.A.,

07/01/2009 11:56:19
#5 Will summer rugby stop players giving up the game when they reach 18?

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07/01/2009 12:06:44
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jdships,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 12:23:47
3 Vincent-W

Why don't you get off your backside and start coaching kids or do something positive to contribute to the future of rugby in Scotland?

Wee bit "holier than thou" methinks
There are many of us who do ( I am 76) and realise these figures do not add up and that the situation still needs a lot of woirk done to ensure the future of the best game in the world.
I was lucky enough to play in NZ/OZ fifty years ago and we are still light years behind the Kiwi's in coaching/fitness
For years SRU have tried to build from the top down - ignoring grass roots rugby .

I.E my club were having a Wednseday night friendly ,an
" under 23 developement side " game.( 18/23)
We contacted SRU and said "would you like to come along and see what we have to offer "
Back came the answer " we are well aware of what is what at this level " !!!!!!!!!!
Ah well !!

Re Youth figures.
My club has a nummber of youth players at college and Uni and they are all members of two/three clubs so they can ensure a game when away from home club.
This if repeated will just massage figures

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J.A.,

07/01/2009 12:25:58
#14

I have to agree with your point bout summer rugby.
17

Tobias Smyth,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 12:42:00
Summer rugby will not stop the drop off of u18 players going into senior rugby, but it would encourage them to keep playing.

Most u18’s will not get anywhere near the 1st squads of their club straight away and will end up in the 2nds/3rds. Will most of them keep training in the depths of winter when there are only 6 people at training on a cold and wet Tuesday night, not learning anything but only there to play touch for 30 mins (this is if there is enough space under the clubs floodlights to see the ball)? Why are there only 6 people at training? Because it is p!ss!ng with rain and watching Masterchef is more appealing than putting on 3 layers of kit, which will inevitably get filthy and ruin their mum’s washing machine.

Now if this was in summer, there is not an issue with floodlights or muddy kit. It will be drier; very few games will be called off. Sitting in watching TV is still an option, but it is a nice evening outside and a game of touch is quite appealing. Plus people’s skill levels will improve dramatically. We wonder why skill levels are poor, well passing a ball caked in mud, when you in turn are freezing and can’t feel your toes or fingers, to a guy 3 meters from you is tricky, and not enjoyable in any way or conducive to increasing skill levels.

No.14 Are these 100 kids (slight exaggeration maybe?) improving playing on frozen muddy pitches? It’s almost an impossibility for them to. I guarantee not all of them will enjoy it. Incidentally how do these children get there? Their parents take them, so really it is the parents’ choice that they play.

School holidays are not a problem. If the will is there, then things will be made to work.

I just can’t understand why it hasn’t been done already.
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07/01/2009 12:55:15
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Tobias Smyth,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 14:10:08
re# 18
...and I quote "If smaller Nat 3 clubs can get 100 kids out on a cold Tuesday night (last night)"

You made no mention of it being mini's/midi's/senior players all together. Also, mini's don't train on week nights; they train on Saturday mornings and play sunday afternoons. No?

However, if your club is an indication of others around the country, which I hope it is, then things are looking good. Just think how good things would be if it was all done in the summer. More numbers, better skill levels and fund raising bbq's wouldn't need to be done under tarpaulins.
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07/01/2009 15:50:06
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Southsider,

Glasgow 07/01/2009 16:18:51
Key question is how many players are playing/training for club rugby at each age group Minis through to Adults on a regular (20-30 weeks in the season) basis?

Is this figure growing comparatively?

Can I also make a plea for the term "better-weather" rugby as we would still have to stop for summer holidays in terms of competitive games.

Start at the end of Feb, train and play till 3rd week of June. Start again 2nd/3rd wekk of August and finish end of November. Do indoor sports Dec and Jan for fitness and improvement.
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J.A.,

07/01/2009 16:53:31
#21 "Start at the end of Feb, train and play till 3rd week of June. Start again 2nd/3rd wekk of August and finish end of November. Do indoor sports Dec and Jan for fitness and improvement." GOOD POINT!!

Anyway,we will have to develop a better system which leaves youngsters with an appetite for the game.
If we are going to increase player numbers, we have to think seriously about what commitment we are wanting from our players and coaches. At Mini level, we have an obsession with competition. Children are pressed by their parents and coaches to win at all cost and far too little emphasis is given to the basic skills, clubs all over are holding tournaments where kids from far and near are having to give serious commitment to the game of rugby, often at the expense of other sports. You may think, “what’s wrong with that?”. In my opinion, when the children are as young as 7 years old, there is everything wrong with it.
Many parents should not be allowed near their children when playing sport!!
Teach them the basics, make sure they are enjoying their rugby, and make sure they have a balance which allows them to take up other interests. When they reach the age of 18 we want them to play as an adult and not pack in.
Some of the best players I know didn’t play rugby at mini level.
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Tobias Smyth,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 17:30:40
Re#20

How can you say the weather argument is untrue?! Look at any league in Scotland and there have been a number of games cancelled due to the weather, even the east coast.

I have been a player at mini/midi/school/club and senior level and have also coached mini teams so feel more than qualified to comment on the situation.

For example, most of the u18 at my previous club can only spin pass off one hand, and that was a prem 1 club. Plus what benefits can there be for a 9-year boy running about in the mud if you are trying to develop their skill levels? Skill levels will in fact decrease, this is scientific fact. Learning a skill badly will make the acquired skill permanent whether it is good or bad.

Also, I have spoken to a number of overseas players over the years who have played in this country, and to a man don't understand why we play rugby in the summer, saying, “ I knew it was bad, but not this bad cous’.”

They were also not too complimentary on a lot of the skill levels on show. As post #21 says, better weather rugby would produce faster and more skilful games. Ask any player from 8 years old to 30 years old if they would rather play and train in mild dry weather or cold muddy weather and I think we all know what the answer would be.

Rugby league took a chance and did it and look at the success that has come of that (recent world cup excluded.) If we are happy with 10th in the world and our pro teams just getting by then fine, but I feel if we changed junior rugby to a “summer” game then we would reap the benefits. School holidays etc don’t wash, if there is a will, there is a way.
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J.A.,

07/01/2009 19:51:58
#23 I’m not entirely in disagreement with you but perhaps you should have used a better example than the one about only being able to spin passing of one hand. When did they learn how to spin pass at all, on the sunny days?
All the way through the summer months we have many youngsters playing touch rugby and kicking a ball about in the park, some will be taught how to pass and kick properly and some won’t. Most people who play golf play it in the summer but we still see very poor golfers out there. The same applies to almost any sport you can mention many of which are played indoors.
It’s not about quantity or about training and playing in good weather it’s about quality. Too much rugby is poorly coached at an early age, bad habits are not picked up on and as a result bad habits are perfected.
At mini level games and training should be cancelled in bad weather, there will still be enough good days to play
Having kids win tournaments at mini rugby is the easy bit, turning them into quality rugby players at 18 is a heck of a lot harder.
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jdships,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 20:02:53
18 Vincent-W

Yup can't find fault with much of what you write !
The " carping" is possibly an indicator of grass roote disafection with the way things are being run from M'field
As I said previously I was lucky enough to play in NZ/OZ as a young man and the emphasis for under 12/13's was all on skills .
Regular , truly, competitive rugby did not enter the curriculum until 14ish
About 12 years ago I can remember listening at a dressing room door to a team of 12 year old's crying - their having just been humped 108 - 0 .
Rugby needs to be layered up to 14/15
I am a member of a Premier club and a E of Scotland Div 1 club and while the "Big boy" gets well looked after to a certain extent the "wee club" soldiers on and has to live off crumbs.
I accept that the boys at the " wee club" will never play pro rugby or even premier league.
However they enjoy playing and their club provides a starting place for many a young lad.
My gson , now in his mid 20's, started off in mini rugby as his school, at the time, played soccer and he didn't like it.
He has played for Edinburgh Schools , youth's , Co-optomists and is playing premier league.

SRU have to relate more and more often with grass roots rugby

Still think it is the greatest game in the world and was privialged to have played at a resonable level

 

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