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Published Date: 19 February 2009
THE Scottish Rugby Union is facing a furious backlash from two clubs who have been thrown out of this year's Scottish Hydro-Electric Cup as a means of reducing the fixture backlog, caused by recent bad weather, which threatens to swamp the last few months of the season.
On Tuesday night, Cumbernauld and St Boswells rugby clubs were informed that because they had not managed to fulfil their third-round matches against East Kilbride and Linlithgow, respectively – which had originally been scheduled for Saturday 20
December – the SRU's championship committee had decided that the teams with the higher league placing in each of those games should be given a bye into Saturday's fourth-round matches, while the lower-ranked team would be ejected into the third-tier bowl competition.

St Boswells have already lodged a complaint against this decision and club secretary Scott Elliot says that they will refuse to play in Saturday's Bowl match against Lismore in protest.

"The first we heard of what was happening was on Tuesday night when we got a phone call out of the blue from Barbara Gillie (SRU competitions co-ordinator] telling us that there had been a meeting of the championship committee and they had decided that we must play our game against Linlithgow by Friday night or we would be chucked out the cup. There is no way we could organise the game in that tight timescale. It isn't feasible; our guys work and so do the Linlithgow boys," he said.

"I don't understand what's wrong with us playing our third round match this Saturday, our fourth-round match the week after, and pushing the league schedule back a week."

Meanwhile, Jim McLaren, director of rugby at Cumbernauld, said that his club were seeking legal advice.

"My understanding is that the championship rules give us seven days to appeal and if the SRU go ahead with the fixtures before then, then that is their problem. That's where other courses of action might come in," he said. "I have informed the SRU that we have no intention of playing in the Bowl this weekend, because if we do fulfil the fixture that would suggest that we are accepting their decision,"

Inevitably, the SRU are going to come in for heavy criticism over this fiasco, but the problem is not entirely of their own making. While there may be some merit in the argument that this problem has been brewing for weeks and that they have been slow in reacting, the whole situation stems from the fact that there are simply not enough weeks in the season at the moment to accommodate all scheduled and rescheduled league and cup matches, plus dormant weekends on most international Saturdays and the traditional end of season Borders Sevens circuit.

An SRU statement, issued last night, stated: "The decision taken by the elected representatives was a difficult call to make but one which has been taken with the best interest of all of Scottish club rugby in mind."



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  • Last Updated: 18 February 2009 10:47 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: SRU
 
1

Aligator,

19/02/2009 01:38:18
Sounds like 'calm heads' need to prevail here -as there is only rugby face to loose here
2

leemagee,

Perth 19/02/2009 02:47:57
Wait a minute...the SRU are acting like bullies and throwing their own agenda about? Well there's a first! I remember when Stirling Uni were shunted to the lowest league in Scotland because they went on a tour without getting permission from the SRU. That was in the early 90s...they've been a bunch of idiots since then whose only agenda is themselves, no matter how much they ruin the sport in this country. When Hadden goes, they'll give him a desk, a 5 figure salary and a position that doesn't mean anything. That 5 figure salary could fund 3 or 4 new young players on pro contracts...but then that's not important to them!!
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Red Dykes,

Tain 19/02/2009 07:29:40
Blazerati strike again...never mind the grass roots..Obviously the two clubs hold collective responsibility for the Arctic blast....The SRU's penchant for insensitive and cack-handed management knows no bounds...disgracefully out of touch.
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19/02/2009 07:57:18
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Northern Soul,

Aberdeen 19/02/2009 08:17:52
Also heard that a local club who have already paid there monies to watch Scotland against England on a "free" Saturday are being forced to play a rearranged league match on the same day. Not much wonder interest in the game is falling away
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19/02/2009 08:22:45
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19/02/2009 08:24:23
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Dave Daydream,

19/02/2009 08:31:00
The main problem we have are to many games for the amount of Saturdays we have in the season - then when the bad weather kicks in this puts even more pressure on getting games played, maybe we should look at having slightly smaller leagues so as this frees up more Saturdays

Teams need to be more proactive in getting games played - certainlt not easy when the weather puts the game off - but in my experience some clubs aren't to flexible and make it it difficult if it doesn't really suit them
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WA,

19/02/2009 08:38:50
We need to remember a key point here-"The decision taken by the elected representatives".

These are the people that the CLUBS put in positions to make decisions. So if the clubs are not pleased with the decision it is THEIR representatives they need to take the matter up with.
10

Le Gazelle,

19/02/2009 08:42:16
No 8. The lower league clubs don't have floodlights so during the winter this is almost impossible.

Incidently, the Cumbernauld game was due to be played last saturday when EK had 10 first XV players on tour in France. So they SRU have been unfair to both clubs, but it doesn't condone this decision.
11

Middlemarch,

19/02/2009 08:43:26
9 WA

Lets be realistic here - Paid employees will manipulate volunteers every time.

The SRU employees always hide behind the "Elected Reps" when thing go awray

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John south of Soutra,

19/02/2009 09:39:27
#8 is correct there are far too many games to fit inot the season,we have 22 league games and a minimum of 2 cup matches plus 8 interntional weekends = a 32 week season this is not including any 7s tournaments which would cover 5 weeks in the spring, by the time preseason training is added on we have used up nearly 10 months of the year, which leaves players & volunteers maybe 2 months of free time.
Is it no wonder we are struggling to retain players and volunteers in the game, however the SRU did propose to abolish the cup this year and the clbs voted against it, in fact the current SRU President Jim Stevenson used the retention of the cup as part of his campaign as the champion of the lower clubs.
It would interetsing to find out how the above 2 teams voted at the AGM.
We seriously need to restructure rugby in this country,clubs in New Zealand & Australia in the main have a 6 month season and we need to aim for something similar as players nowadays won't committ to the current demands.
We either reduce the size of the leagues to 10 or get rid of the cup, my preference would be to get rid of the cup as it costs clubs money to compete in it
13

The Borderer,

19/02/2009 14:29:36
With regard to a few peoples comments of changing leagues or getting rid of cups.

I believe the best way to move scottish rugby forward is have regional leagues in the first part of the season followed by a national cup competition in the second half.
That way you can have many leagues of 10ish teams getting games completed quicker then have the top 2 teams in each region play in a cup, 3rd and 4th in another cup and so on.This revitalises local derby rivalry and brings in greater crowds through the turnstile and in the bar afterwards.

This has been argued for many years by a lot of the border clubs with some Glasgow clubs starting to agree aswell. 4 regions consisting of Borders, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Caledonian/North. This would possibly bring a bit more life into the Scottish cup set up.
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Southsider,

Glasgow 19/02/2009 14:48:09
It is unfortunate that two clubs find themselves in this situation but predictable - clubs voted for the system of competition that is currently in place, the season structure that we have and elected volunteers to sit on their Championship Committee to make decisions.

The Scottish Rugby Council wanted political control of competitions and inded both candidates for President (last time) made this part of their campaign. The Board looked for speed in proposals prior to the AGM. Once again a rush to poor decision-making overall mixed with vested interest among certain individuals and an unwillingness to change across a wide specturm of clubs.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious:

1. We need to play in better weather. This requires a change to the season.

2. We need to have 10 team leagues with a Cup competition.

3. We need to all sit down with a big diary and negotiate, not dictate, our playing needs...this includes Clubs and Pro Teams (they are inextricably linked), the Performance arm of the game, schools and so on.

4. We need to grow the game, players would develop skills more effectively in better weather and most wish to do so, let them do it. Recent statistics are misleading, I don't see the game growing, I think we are recording more statistics though, which is a different thing.

5. The Scottish Rugby Union AGM and Council need to give the Board and our staff better policy and better direction.

6. This can all be achieved including flexibility for local competitions including Sevens Tournaments. We need to want to do it though.

7. Start league competition at the end of February with the 6 Nations under way.With high profile rugby on TV it should be easier to recruit, excite and stimulate interest. Play through till the 3rd week of June leaving 6 weekends free for Sevens (Saturdays and Sundays.) Leave a 6 week gap in July and August and start back on the 3rd week of August and run through till the end of November. Plenty of time to
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Southsider,

Glasgow 19/02/2009 14:51:26
....from above continued

Plenty of time to play league and cup and watch rugby too! when the weather is light allow for the flexibility to play on Thursday and Friday evenings. Stop at the end of Novemebr and enjoy the winter break, do indoor training etc. etc.

Finally I would have liked to see Cumbernauld v East Kilbride, I reckon Cumbernauld fancied their chances and who knows?
16

Mike1526,

Edinburgh 19/02/2009 14:57:42
It would appear that history is repeating itself. This happened last season and under pressure from Clubs, the SRU backed down and reinstated a couple of Clubs that had not fulfilled fixtures because their First XV's were away at Internationals. On this occasion, the weather has played it's part. As it is, many clubs are behind on normal league fixtures, so maybe it is time to have a rethink on the size of leagues. A max of 8 or ten, would enable us also to have a Cup providing Clubs agreed to play on International weekends. If they don't then there are not enough Saturdays in the season for both. It would also appear that Clubs with professional players have their own agenda, witness the comments by Ayr regarding a breakaway league, that cost the Clubs money in sponsorship from SHE. No player should be paid for playing rugby unless he is a full time professional playing for Edinburgh or Glasgow( my view, I know)but when you play rugby in the lower leagues, you want to play against a similar level not against mercenaries from Senior Clubs!!
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Mike1526,

Edinburgh 19/02/2009 15:03:58
Whist I agree with many of Southsider's views, unfortunately many pitches in Edinburgh become cricket pitches in May and therefore the season start and finish becomes an issue.
18

BorderKid,

ANNAN 19/02/2009 15:39:37
The time has come for a serious discussion on the alternatives available to the present playing season. I have never been an advocate for summer rugby but at a time when we are being exhorted to grow the game the subject MUST be discussed. Trying to get players especially mini, midis and youth players to turn out to train in some of the extreme weather conditions prevalent this season is ridiculous. Also we must try to grow the game relative to encouraging supporters to turn out. I am a committed club rugby supporter but as I grow older I am now unwilling to stand in freezing/wet/gales conditions to support my club.

Move the sevens season to August and let's be playing 15 aside in April and May when we will be playing rugby above the ground instead of through it. I know there are lots of reasons which can be thrown up against playing into the spring/summer eg holidays, club grounds required for other sports, harder grounds (can always water a ground but you canny suck it up) but other summer sports have some of these problems too.

LET'S AT LEAST DISCUSS THE ALTERNATIVES AND NOT DISMISS THEM OUT OF HAND

Let the professional teams and internationals be played through the winter. This would give the amateur club players and supporters the opportunity to support their chosen clubs i.e Glasgow , Edinburgh or whatever. Just a thought.
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Mike D W,

19/02/2009 16:04:21
Some great comments on here.

How about a season that is bookended by the 6 Nations at the start and the Autumn Internationals at the end.

Start league rugby in April when everybody is enthused by the 6N on the TV, play throgh until mid-June. Have a 6 week break in which 7s can be fitted in. Restart the leagues in August and finish in October. That should provide 25 Saturdays in reasonable weather to complete the domestic rugby season. If we have 10-team leagues, then 18 Saturdays are used up leaving 7 free for some form of National Cup Competitions. Plenty.

I would suggest that the Cup schedule be organised to either have the Finals Day in June or in September. This should help provide a crowd. No other rugby is scheduled for Finals Day and clubs are encouraged to come along for a celebration of Scottish rugby.

League rugby finishes at the end of Oct and we can then all go along to watch Scotland in the AIs.

This would be a Scottish solution for a Scottish problem (ie. the weather).

The 'bad weather' months of November to February could be for having a break (skiing holidays seem to get in the way of rugby these days) and/or strength and conditioning work dependent on your level of rugby. March would be for pre-season friendlies and maybe we would see the resurrection of club going to away 6 Nations games and playing games in the lead up to their season.

If we have a can-do attitude to this it could easily work.
20

Jaebee,

Scotland 20/02/2009 09:04:18
Issued 12 February.
That gave them loads of time to try and get floodlit pitches before being chucked out - and weather made most if not all of those pitches unplayable anyway.

Following a meeting of the Championship Committee (CC) that took place earlier this week please find below a position statement on the current fixtures backlog

The recent sustained period of bad weather has caused the postponement of so many cup and championship matches that the Championship Committee anticipates being faced with the unprecedented requirement of devising a means of resolving cup fixtures by means other than being able to allow matches to be played. This is because the standby dates not otherwise taken up by championship fixtures are all but exhausted and the Cup competition is constrained by the final, semi final and quarter final deadlines. Much will depend upon the weather impact this coming week-end but it is likely that this issue will require to be addressed in the course of next week. To this end the Committee has arranged to meet next week in an endeavour to be as pro-active as possible in minimising the impact of the many postponements.

There are two means by which clubs can help to reduce the anticipated difficulty. Firstly by using every possible endeavour to co-operate with each other in playing off outstanding fixtures on alternative, agreed dates, midweek if necessary and under floodlights if available at any ground reasonably accessible and available to clubs. Secondly the Committee wishes to make clear that if an agreement is reached between clubs faced with insurmountable fixture difficulties that one will concede the round to the other the club conceding the fixture will automatically be put into the lower bowl or shield competition, whichever is appropriate, as if the fixture had been played.


The method of resolving unplayed fixtures has not been decided upon but clubs will doubtless agree that the playing of fixtures or their resolution by a
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the bard,

edinburgh 20/02/2009 14:24:20
i am sure that the SRU did something similar a few years back, when Orkney (who were second in their league and with a game in hand with one game remaining) needed to beat their last opposition by 50+ points and the SRU decided that they wouldn't do it and awarded the league before this fixture was fulfilled!!!

BTW They played the game as a friendly anyway and Orkney ran riot and won by way over that amount.
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IAIN ANG,

Scotland 20/02/2009 14:45:37
#20 Jaebee,
If that was issued on 12th February and East Kilbride had 10 first XV players on tour in France over the weekend surely its them who should be eliminated to the bowl as they couldn’t fulfill the fixture, bad weather or not???

This is a slap in the face towards the smaller teams, and shows no respect whatsoever towards 'grass roots rugby clubs' that try extremely hard to keep going.

This decision has been done to suit the bigger clubs with money and influence, highlighted by the fact in coming to their decision the committee was under pressure to get a quick fix as there were that a number of Premier Division 1 clubs were without fixtures on Saturday 21st February as a consequence of the accumulated postponements

 

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