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Published Date: 13 March 2009
SCOTLAND is back in the running for a share of the 2015 Rugby World Cup after government ministers began moves to persuade England to abandon a solo bid for the tournament and join forces with the sport's other Home Unions.
The news of a potential joint bid was last night welcomed by Alex Salmond. A spokesman for the First Minister said: "We hope that together we can now secure the Rugby World Cup for these countries, which makes a lot more sense and is more pragmatic to the demands of a World Cup, and gives the home unions (England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland] a better chance of succeeding with a bid."

The Scotsman reported last month that the RFU had taken comments from Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, as approval for their push for an England-only tournament in 2015. RFU chairman Martyn Thomas stated then that the union was considering hiring the Millennium Stadium, but that it was not interested in sharing host rights with any country.

The Prime Minister's office responded by requesting further talks and, at a meeting with the RFU this week, signalled that funding for the bid would rely on home union agreement for a cohesive bid. That has put a heavy spanner in the works for the RFU.

When England and Wales hosted previous tournaments, with help from Scotland and Ireland, there were no financial demands made of them by the International Rugby Board. Now, in the wake of a multi-million profit being turned by Australia in 2003, the successful bidder must guarantee an £80 million payment to the IRB from the 2015 event – the IRB's way of ensuring profits from the World Cup are spread globally across the sport.

No bidding union could guarantee that £80 million without government funding, and rival bidders South Africa and Italy have stolen a march on the rest by securing the backing of their governments.

The Prime Minister appeared to give the RFU his blessing last month when he told an English rugby delegation: "I believe rugby is one of the great sports and I also believe we can win the Rugby World Cup for this country in 2015. I hope that you will be able to persuade other countries that the Rugby World Cup should come here." But ministers this week made it clear to the RFU that those comments referred to bringing the tournament to the whole of Britain and Ireland, a move that would engender support.

England fear losing financially if they agree to a joint bid because it would mean handing over lucrative ticketing revenue to the other nations. However, fresh in the memory of the RFU will be the fact it lost an expensive bidding process to France for the 2007 tournament after ignoring their British neighbours, who all duly voted for the French. Votes and the required funding are at risk in a solo bid this time around.

Gordon McKie, the SRU chief executive, told The Scotsman he hopes to meet with the RFU on Calcutta Cup weekend and persuade officials of the merits of a joint bid. "We have been seeking discussions round the table with the RFU and hope to have these in the next two weeks," he said. "We are continuing to endeavour to bring about a joint-bid solution, which we believe has the potential to be the most successful and winnable bid, but time is marching on."

Bids must be tendered to the IRB inside the next two months with a decision taken on the winner, for both the 2015 and 2019 events on July 28, 2009.

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  • Last Updated: 12 March 2009 11:20 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: SRU
 
1

!Ya basta!,

13/03/2009 03:57:59
A home nations World Cup would be great and I hope it happens.

But Salmonds opportunism is typically sickening and greasy. He doesn't want Scots in a GB Football Team in 2012 Olympics but he does want to jointly host the 2015 Rugby World Cup with England etc.?

Salmond may well live his dream and deliver independence for Scotland but if it does happen, and hopefuly it will, he needs to be scaked immediately after it happens because he will ruin the country. he's a tactitian not a strategist, good in a fight but terrible at creating and sustaining something viable and honest.
2

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 13/03/2009 04:16:06
Nothing wrong with a joint bid between seperate independent nations. Happens all the time, like the Joint World Cup in S.Korea and Japan(?). The Cricket World Cup some years ago was spread about Europe and included Scotland, Holland and England.

Makes Economic sense.
3

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 13/03/2009 04:17:59
I'm surprised Maggie Brown hasn't come up with the idea of a Team GB Rugby Team. Give it time.
4

Tarred,

Chislehurst 13/03/2009 05:17:37
3 - no need - that will be the Lions?
5

scooter,

13/03/2009 08:02:49
And we wonder why the English get annoyed with us. We scupper their previous bid with a bit of "auld alliance" French nudging and winking. And now we expect them to embrace us, open armed, through some political bleating. Smacks of "what's mine is mine, what's yours is mine".

Don't get me wrong - it'd be great to think Scotland could credibly co-host RWC (emphasis on the 'credibly'). But this just smacks of the "not fair, we want to play too" mentality that's all too common in Scotland today.
6

Honest Opinion 2,

Froggyland 13/03/2009 08:07:52
Wise up No 1. No-one is interewsted in you trying to turn this into an anti-Salmond diatribe. Football has to be based on separate nation entities otherwise we run the risk of being landed with a Team GB in the World and European Cups. Rugby hosting is a compleyely different ball game (no pun intended) - this gives the home nations AND THEIR SUPPORTERS a genuine chance to oarticipate in the event. To No 4 = you've got a point but the concept is sound and practical and should be supported by all Scots rugby men
7

Cacciatore,

Stockholm 13/03/2009 08:18:30
The previous contributors point to a series of sensitive issues. The spin issued by the IRB makes it almost impossible to distinguish fact from fiction. It was obvious that Brown´s encouraging comments a few weeks ago were in no way an endorsement of England. Likewise, similar comments from the South African minister of sport are far distant from a genuine government endorsement. The only two countries which have received factual government backing are Russia and Italy (not entirely clear in the latter case). The IRB doesn´t fancy Russia, but they have now withdrawn, having discretely been promised the 2013 World Sevens. This leaves Italy as a fairly strong contender.
Great Britain is a sovereign nation, while Scotland, Wales, England and Ireland (in the rugby sense) are not. Brown is therefore forced to support a "British" rather than English solution. But can the government afford to guarantee £80 million when they are backpedalling at a high rate of knots over the 2012 Olympics? The RWC in NZ in 2011 will be a financial fiasco for a number of reasons so the IRB will be looking for bankable successes in 2015/2019. Remember that Scotland has been unable to fill any sort of stadium for previous World Cups; this will not endear the British solution to the IRB. Conversely, the four home nations have almost one third of all the votes in the IRB, so they can probably force a decision through, if they gang up on the rest.
8

shrek4,

13/03/2009 08:22:20
#5, I think you'll find that in previous attempts it ws England who wanted to 'go it alone' and didn't want anything to do with the other home nations. Bit of slap in the face I would say and detrimental to the tournament itself by missing out on some good venues.
9

the bard,

edinburgh 13/03/2009 08:40:29
if a joint bid does come about and is successful, i hope it is better conceived than the last time we all hosted the event (final at Millenium stadium, i think; cant remember the year). The Murrayfield games were poorly attended (SPain v Portugal mid week!?! Great!) and there was no festival of rugby feel- needs to be different
10

Old Cartha Boy,

13/03/2009 11:44:32
Can't you just hear Frank Hadden purr in 2015...about "how Dan Parks is at the peak of his talent...I'm still not sure of Chris Paterson's best position...he maybe needs a few more games to convince me even though he has played 200 international matches as an impact sub...I'm sure Rory Lawson will be in the mix ...great that Simon Taylor is recovering from his recent injury and how well he was playing for Edinburgh Northern Seconds before the latest incident affecting his leg....
11

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 13/03/2009 12:15:23
I wonder how Sir Alex Ferguson would like it if FIFA only allowed one English team in the UEFA Cup. It would certainly destroy the spectacle of the competition.

Simple solution is to kick ANY politician in the nuts if they EVER start to get the Government involved in Sport.
12

Alistair Macintosh,

13/03/2009 12:45:03
Old Cartha Boy there are some players you really feel Hadden will never ever drop. Yes he'll be down at training once he's collected his pension from the post office.
13

fiferjohn,

13/03/2009 12:45:08
this is gordon brown trying to get scotland back into their good books after peeing of half the scots males with the football c**p.
politics saving is bacon that all it is ,if he the gb football team had gone down well then scotland wales and ireland would not have had a look in.
14

Delboy29,

13/03/2009 13:14:11
#10 OldCarthaBoy - Terrific, it looked for a while as though we might get a string of (relatively) sensible comments without the usual Hadden obsessives muscleing in; but I see you've sorted that out...
15

Red Dykes,

Tain 13/03/2009 14:28:06
10# - Brilliant!Love it - though did send a shiver...


I look forward to NZ V SA at Mc Diarmid Park .......

 

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