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SFA rejects St Mirren's appeal over Haining



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Published Date: 13 August 2008
By Angus Wright
ST MIRREN'S appeal against Will Haining's red card in Sunday's league match at Celtic has been rejected by the Scottish Football Association.
Haining was sent off during the Clydesdale Bank Premier League clash at Celtic Park for a foul on Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink. Referee Eddie Smith also awarded a penalty for the challenge, which was converted by Barry Robson to secure a 1-0 win for Celtic.

The official has since reviewed the incident and stands by his original decision to dismiss the player.

A statement from the SFA said: "St Mirren's appeal against the sending-off of their player Will Haining in this weekend's match against Celtic has been dismissed.

"In accordance with the appeals process, the match referee Eddie Smith reviewed the incident and is content with his original decision to award a penalty and send the player off.

"Consequently the player will be subject to a one-match ban."



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  • Last Updated: 12 August 2008 11:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: St Mirren FC
 
1

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/08/2008 00:15:14
so no rangers in crisis s tory can be commented on..david edgar was good on real radio...cracked crest anywhere tomorrow..??...nah .they wouldnt dare xxx
2

Scotland Uber Unionists,

13/08/2008 00:29:21
Eddie Cheat (celtc fan), cheats again.

Celtcs new world record. 6 players sent off against them in their last 6 home games.

Celtc fans, putting the TIM into inTIMidation.
3

jerrymanders,

13/08/2008 00:35:02
#2

Nine bookings in one game.....you have the Record. Afterall, Minty controls that Rag.

The Reverend, Rags fc Shame.
4

jumpship,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 07:10:50
The SPL is a joke .

Old firm = SFA

Only in Scotland is it OK for a Celtic supporting referee to take charge of a game involving Celtic .

The whole world must be laughing at us.
5

Scoop in the City,

13/08/2008 07:38:21
#4 - Spot on - and only in Scotland would the same person that made the original 'mistake' (aye right!) decide the outcome of the appeal. Sooner or later, someone will take this lot to court.
6

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 07:48:30
#2, #4, #5 Oh my. Hurting are we? hahahahaha.

Don't remember all this sqealing and tight ripping when Caldwell was adjudged to have "laid a hand on" Tall in the last minute at Tynecastle to give the cousins a penalty against the Champions.

Dry yer eyes.
7

Nell,

Far from the Struan 13/08/2008 08:03:48
As Cilla would say:- "Surprise, surprise!"
8

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

13/08/2008 08:26:08
When will ANY Scottish journalist have the stones to investigate the corrupt cartel that is the SFA?

I am getting so fed with the level of bias that I am actually hoping the UK Olympic football team happens in 2012 just so that FIFA can abolish the SFA.
9

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 08:33:36
To all the consiracy theorists, how does it square that the ref refused a stonewall pen for Celtic just a few mins earlier when the St Mirren keeper clearly took JVoH out?
10

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 13/08/2008 08:34:11
Shocking decision !!
Can someone explain why, even when there is TV evidence proving that the referee made an error when giving a player a red card, that nothing can be done about it unless the referee agrees his original decision was a mistake ??
Surely a panel of referees should make the call on matters such as this and not the guy who made the original decision ?
As I've said before, absolutely shocking decision and goes to prove that Eddie Smith doesn't ahve the B@LLS to admit he made a mistake.
Absolutely shocking !!
11

Scoop in the City,

13/08/2008 08:41:49
#9 - you're missing the point. Whatever the merits of the earlier incident, he clearly got this one wrong - but won't admit his 'mistake'and save the innocent player from a one game ban.
12

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 08:48:19
#10.....answer #9

Samaras scored a goal against Aberdeen which would have been a contender for goal of the season and put Celtic 2-0 up and out of sight, did we see that analysed in detail? Did we hell.

Diamond lashes a shot past an uninterested Celtic defence after the whistle (which I heard high up in the north stand) blew.

Now, whether or not their had been an infringement, and to be honest I never notice one, the defence stopped attacking the ball and we STILL hear about that decision.

Nakamura was awarded a free kick against St.Mirren, it WAS foul, relentless bickering because he scored and the decision is STILL being debated.

A corner kick against Motherwell?

Corners and free kicks ffs, you gotta laugh.
13

Will1875,

13/08/2008 08:50:22
What a surprise eh............... Had it been an Old Firm player (which is unlikely to happen) it would be a different story.

New season, same old OF bias. No wonder people don't go to the football anymore.
14

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 08:50:23
#10 and #11 I thought it was a stonewaller and as last man the ref had no option but to send him off.

Just because you don't like a decision doesn't mean it's the wrong one.
15

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 08:51:27
#13 stop greetin.
16

The Bookseller,

Cambridge 13/08/2008 08:58:51
Graeme, that'll be because it wasn't a penalty before either. See how hard these decisions are? You have the benefit of slow motion replays and you still can't see it wasn't a penalty.
17

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 09:06:36
My take on the game,for what its worth,is that the first incident was a penalty.The actual penalty award was NOT.
That said,for a SPL manager to throw the bias card on the table stinks to high heaven.OK,Smith made a mistake but to suggest that there was another agenda smacks of the paranoia so often laid at our door...plonker!
18

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 09:31:45
Will Wattie get the £25 Million from the UEFA cup run "war chest", the £9 million for the Mutton tranfer and the £7.8 Million from ugly betty's sale all at once to spend?

Or will he not?

Must be particularly galling for the rearangurzzz that he's gone to Aston Martin FC? If I were them (horrid thought) I'd satisfy myself with the fact that he'll be found out when he has to play proper football and not the 9 defender option preferred by Wattie.
19

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 09:34:27
BTO the keeper upending JVOH in the box was, in my opinion, a better pen claim.
20

jumpship,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 09:37:34
17 Swordsman,

That said,for a SPL manager to throw the bias card on the table stinks to high heaven..........

Shouldn't you have said MANAGERS . Its not just one manager is it . Nearly every game Celtic play now there is some sort of refereeing f*** up. All Innocent i hear you say .... You got to laugh....
21

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 09:46:10
BTO I didnt know that the speed of the fouled player's fall was of any consequence when awarding a penalty...

Jumpship..I've already said that it wasnt a pen...my gripe is with those who opt for the lowest common denominator excuse that the ref was a "Homer" (at least thats what it sounded like,to me!)..Sour grapes at best...
22

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 09:47:07
Is Gus McPherson David Icke in disguise? I think we should be told!!
23

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 09:58:24
I'm sure I've seen him cutting aboot Paisley toon centre wi' a turquoise shell suit..not that thats unusual for Paisley,you understand....
24

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 11:00:21
No threads open on any Gers stuff today again ?

Mmmmmhhh I wonder why

Daily express states a 10m War chest
The Herald a 15m war chest

I bet you that the planned Ibrox protests at the weekend amount to zilch. The proposed half time walk out will be reported as a plague of winking anuses syndrome with the Jamboes 0.2 up at h.t ..well when it comes the laptop loyal you cannot have your cake and eat it

The meek shall inherit the earth


Hail Hail
25

Johnny Jambo,

13/08/2008 11:03:47
Swordsman, I have always been one who says that bias in referees is not a major issue and I agree that he made a mistake, I never saw what he appears to have seen in this incident for the pen. However what I cannot understand is that he has been given the opportunity to say he made a mistake and never took it.

Whether he admits it was a mistake or not, has no outcome on the result of the game but he could have saved the player, Haining, from a suspension and was not man enough to do it.
26

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 11:09:38
JJ fair play...I think that both the pen and the subsequent sending off go hand in hand.If he wont own up to one then the other issue becomes moot..Sad but there it is..
27

Bobby, Glasgow,

13/08/2008 11:20:20
This is NOT about Celtic, so much as it's about St Mirren.

We're the team that lost at least a point. We're the team who had to pay £1,000 to have Smith say 'I don't care what the rest of the world says, I'm not changing my decision'. We're the team who have lost our best player for one match, and more later with the 6 points this has cost him.

The whole system is totally flawed.





28

Bobby, Glasgow,

13/08/2008 11:21:02
As to Smith himself.

On Sunday people were sympathising with him over the allegations some were making that he was a cheat.

If he'd come out and said what everyone else knew, that he'd made a mistake, then the doubters would have been silenced.

Instead, having looked at JVOH grab a handful of Haining's shirt in an attempt to stop him from getting a tackle in, he's inexplicably said that it was still a penalty and Haining should have been red-carded.

Incompetent? Arrogant? Cheat? He's shown himself to be definitely one or more of these.

He and the SFA have shot themselves in the foot over this, and I really do hope at least some good comes out of it and the ridiculous appeals system is revamped.
29

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 11:23:22
If Gus Mac Pherson had kept his big fat trap shut at the weekend then Haining´s red card might have been rescinded. To start off by saying he´s not going to talk about referees and then to come out with an accusation that he couldn´t back up with regards the screens with his fabulous coupon on it. Especially after Mc Vicar came out and called him a bare faced liar and then accusing him of winking at him as if he done so in the aftermath of the penalty only to prevaricate the next day about when Eddie Smith did wink at him and then pre judging Eddie Smith still saying that he would deny that he winked at him shows the calibre of Gus MacPherson. Too much time spent in the company of smoke and mirrors and he has lots and lots to learn.

I also saw one or was it two handballs that lead to goals for Hamilton on Monday not a peep in the press ..but hey it´s Celtic

30

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 11:27:02
As fans of the champions prepared to celebrate the league flag being unfurled, St Mirren fans booed the name of Ireland international, Aiden McGeady, a disturbing reminder of the race-based abuse when the player arrived at Love St ahead of a game last season, an event recorded on YouTube.

That incident itself followed a previous visit by the champions to St Mirren when the stadium announcer provocatively described Irish folk songs as sectarian. St Mirren have a long history of intolerance towards other cultures, dating back at least to the 1980s, when the then unknown black footballer, Ruud Gullit, visited with Feyenoord and received the 'Irish treatment' from the home fans; intolerance, it appears, is woven into the fabric of the club.

Scotland is a multicultural country which cannot allow such intolerance to persist and fester into something more serious. The SFA must inform St Mirren that persistent abuse of Irish footballers will be punished preferably with relegation. It is time for the SFA chief executive to prove than he has exorcised his own demons when it comes to other cultures and issue a warning to St Mirren.
31

Scotland Uber Unionists,

13/08/2008 11:32:58
McGeady gets booed because he's the racist choosing another country over the country where he was born and raised. The country where he and his family happily accepted all the services funded from tax payers money and at the first opportunity he jumps ship like the little rhat he is.
32

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 11:39:49
33 Do you say that McGeadys tax money finds its way into the coffers of the Rep of Ireland?His mum and dads tax money,council tax etc goes directly to Brian Cowan and the Irish people?

The word "Racist", along with "Bigot", is bandied around on these threads to such an extent that they are no longer carry any weight in the minds of all right thinking footie fans.If you think that by choosing to play for one team over another makes you a "Racist" then that says more about you than McGeady,Butcher,Gough,Goram ad infinatum...
33

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 11:45:59
#33

And how are the steelmen going to cope this season?

Will they cheer on their own Brian Mc Lean a Scotsman and ex Ranger who has chosen to play for N. Ireland ?

Will they cheer on Jim O´Brien another Scot like Aiden who has chosen to play for Ireland while booing Aiden?

Btw these are rhetorical questions. That means that I dont expect a retarded knuckledragger with cesspit of a mind to understand that never mind answer. Cause you cant ?

but please feel free to highlight your overt ignorance by attempting too.

Hail Hail
34

Bobby, Glasgow,

13/08/2008 12:02:03
#32

I assume that's a poor wind up attempt?
35

Plonker,

13/08/2008 12:03:34
At best a soft penalty - minimum of contact. I suspect referees have been told to clamp down on situations where the defender tries to "bat" the forward's arm to try to unbalance him. My view was that there was a hint of this but the defender was mainly trying to get VoH's arm out of his personal space. Very harsh, particularly when VoH sent an unhindered shot wide. Do referees now apply advantage, then give the penalty anyway if the forward misses ?
36

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 12:06:53
#36

Why do you assume that ?
37

Who?,

13/08/2008 12:14:44
There are a few very poor posts on this threat:

#6- The penalty at tynecastle was genuine as proved by numerous replays from different angles. You can't make up lies about decisions which go against sellic.

#9- Is this the same incident that JVoH dived while the ball was going out of play? It wasn't stonewall it was a dive and he should have been booked for it.

#32- The St. Mirren stadium announcer asked the their fans not to respond to the sellic fans songs about british dead. The game was played on Rememberence Sunday, there was no minutes silence as the Axis of Evil powers (OF, GFA, Glasgow media) knew that the abuse the sellic fans would shout would cause a national outrage.


I feels really sorry for Haining, he did absolutly nothing wrong yet has been sent off to enable sellic to win. Eddie Smith should never be allowed to referee another top flight game EVER! Thats two games against St. Mirren in which he has deliberatly made a mistake knowing that the GFA will take no action against him.

The clock is ticking for the Axis of Evil powers- enjoy things while you can biggots...
38

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 12:21:14
#39

Why should Eddie Smith be treated differently to Mike Mc Curry?
39

Who?,

13/08/2008 12:32:36
#40- They should be treated exactly the same.

Neither Smith or McCurry should be allowed to officiate at a top flight game, they can't be trusted and once trust is gone that is it.

For years i've been saying we need to recruit non scottish referees to take charge or SPL games where an OF team is playing a non OF team. If two non OF teams play each other or the OF play each other then a scottish ref is fine.

The Axis of Evil powers need to have their influence reduced, firstly by reforming the GFA. Take it out of glasgow, the city and its population feel the present corruption if fair so the organisation can't be situated and staffed by these people. Move it to Stirling, Inverness or Edinburgh where corruption isn't an every day facet of life.
40

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 12:42:38
#41

Can you provide me a rough list from the top of your haed of the employees of GFA and give me the numbers that have or have had an affiliation with Rangers football club and those that have an affiliation with Celtic ?

When DU got to the ECWC final in 87 they asked for leniency with regards their fixture schedule as with Celtic in 2003. The GFA laughed at them and told them to GTF? Rangers in 2008 and the GFA bend over backwards run to the Dailly Record exclusively, try to get their own SC final postponed without consulting one of the participants

I agree with Romanov about the mafia within Scotland but he´s being sly two birds with the one stone and good for him. I would do the same

To look at the SFA and say anything but that it´s not historically been proven to be a hotbed for the mafia for the mediocre proves Romanovs agenda.

It wont work however both Hearts and Gers will go bust before then.

Fingers crossed huh?


41

Who?,

13/08/2008 13:03:41
Regarding the DU request in 87 i wil take your word for it as i really can't remember.

Celtic's request in 2003 was slightly different (i mean the smallest of a fraction) in that they didn't have the self induced fixture pile up that rangers had. I personally advocated making rangers play 4 times a week, lets face it its only a game of football over 90 minutes, if the players could train for a few hours during the day they could take part in a game.

Anyway Sellic in 2003 were better off not having the fixtures postponed at the momentum gained from their european run enabled them to close the gap in the SPL race. The stop start nature of scheduling games benefits nobody. Sellic let themselves down with their comments regarding the fitures not being rearranged and their subsequent appauling remarks about dunfermline for which the club should have been docked points or give a £1m fine (they can afford it).

Your comments about rangers, the gfa and the redtops trying to postpoine the cup final are correct, those involved really needed to take a long hard look at themselves.

42

Who?,

13/08/2008 13:09:43
#42 - Can you provide me a rough list from the top of your haed of the employees of GFA and give me the numbers that have or have had an affiliation with Rangers football club and those that have an affiliation with Celtic ?

I doubt i have enough life left in my body to answer that- and i'm still a young man!

Your probably talking about 85% of the GFA's payroll has strong leanings towards one or other of the OF. These people don't care about the corruption, i would imagine in some cases they activley promote it or turn a blind eye. This is why reforming the GFA must be a priority for the good of the game. I would personally like the scottish parlement to stop all grants to the GFA, i would also target the sponsors and media partners.

Rebuild a new football association for scotland from the ground up is the only way to go.
43

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 13/08/2008 13:24:08
#12 CHUCKY

#9's question was answered by #11 !!

The topic of discussion on this thread was the Haining incident which, IMO, the referee got totally wrong and then didn't have the b@lls to admit that he got it wrong. That is the point I am making.

As for those who think there is a Glasgow based mafia operating within the SFA, get a grip eh ?

The topic of discussion here is referee's and how competant/incompetant they are. They are under no orders to give decisions one way or the other but have to make a judgement at the time.
What infuriates every fan is their inconsitency/incompetance in some of those decisions and they happen in EVERY game, not just games when your particular team is playing the Old Firm.

For all the Jambos/Hibees/Arabs/et al stop with the conspiracy theories..... the World isn't REALLY out to get you you know !!!
44

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 13:24:09
I agree entirely but as a Catholic that grew up in Harthill with a protestant father in the 60´s. He tried airdrie motherwell and hertz our local teams. He gave up on all three, especially your team where he got abused himself by workmates for letting his children grew up catholic on account of sectarian attitudes and bought me and himself a season ticket for CP. We´ve never looked back and I´ll never forgive them for it and I´m pretty young still I feel. So its going to take a very long time I reckon. I dont think Celtic will be playing in the SPL by that time

So I agree a reformation (ooops bad word :-) ) of Scottish football administration is necessary as are apologies. ... especially from corrupt Edinburgh unionist hearts fans
45

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 14:00:30
I was going to reply to "Who" but as I scrolled down the posts I discovered he/she is in fact.....quite mad.
46

Who?,

13/08/2008 14:02:57
#45- i'm afraid your wrong. The Axis of Evil has been operating for over 100 years, influencing refereeing appointments ensuring that the appointee will give favourable decisions when needed is the tip of the iceberg. People like you said the same in italy around 2005 and look how wrong they were proved!

#46- Harthill not the most athsetically pleasing place. How are hearts a "local" team? Also a season ticket in the 60's? In those days all games were pay at the gate until the ground was full, the concept of a football "ticket" hadn't been dreamed up!

Anyway your points are a bit bizzare, the only time i have ever heard religion and football mentioned in the same context are by those who went to catholic only schools. Every other schools in scotland is non denominational and welcomes all faith, creeds and races.

The celtic support are as guilty as their rangers brethren in the corruption of scottish football (see this article) if not more so. Nobody cares about your faith (that is if you actually practice) and i know its difficult for celtic fans to understand but they don't. You should stop making excuses for failings or for your attitudes and live in 2008.
47

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 14:10:43
#48,

having went to Harthill primary school and Whitburn Academy let me rest assure you that thats not the case. Well it wasn´t then. Has it changed now?

Yes after Airdire and Motherwell the next closest local team is Hearts. You need to brush up on your geography.

Well we never missed a game from 65 onwards.

If you have never heard religion and football mentioned in the same context I can only presume that you are a lying bigoted retard that follows the jamboes .. and I would be right.

48

Who?,

13/08/2008 14:34:28
#49- brush up on my geography- probably, however harthill is right next to glasgow and quite a distance from edinburgh. I'm willing to bet Falkirk is closer as will no doubt both OF teams. If you want to check it out then try multimap or google maps. Its in north lanarkshire

So because i and many others who don't support an OF team don't think of or bring religion into a sport i lie, i am a retard and i am a biggot- wow nothing like acting like a steriotypical celtic fan. Why can't you accept that only two sets of fans think of religion when talking about football? The fans belong to the same clubs that are in important part of the Axis of Evil.

Why are you like that? Being brought up in whatburn i do realise you must be a very insecure person with lots of different complexes about people who have more/less money, have a different faith or have different opinions to yours. Having visited whatburn before it is full of chavy junkies who look ill. With the opinions you spout then i can tell you are one of the best!
49

CHUCKY,

13/08/2008 14:52:12
#50 YOU are the only one bringing religion to this thread.

To then label people as "biggots" (sic) verges on the ironic does it not?

I don't 'do' religion and don't really want to get into a religious debate but since YOU brought it up, my understanding is that RC schools can and do take all denominations, is this not correct?
50

Who?,

13/08/2008 15:05:23
#51 - the moron returns!

Why don't you make up an occassion that celtic were hard done by over a penalty....
51

Who?,

13/08/2008 15:10:43
#51- except for yourself (we all know you are, i've read your posts) who else have i labeled a biggot?

Your a pretty poor version of a human being, i bet you think that eddie smith got the Haining incident correct.

You can spout your rubbish all you want, the thing is nobody respects you and nobody will. Keep on blaming others for your failures and the rest will keep on laughting.

Celtic FC- corruption won league titles for over 100 years
52

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 15:56:29
Hearts fear Nazi sympathisers are out to cause trouble at their games. by BBC correspondent Chic Young

But the Edinburgh club insist that they do not need additional security measures following incidents of coin-throwing, spitting at players, monkey chanting, urinating and defecating in public

Hearts security manager Tom Purdie said: "We suspect that these hearts fans are affiliated judging by their Nazi salutes, which they were making at Saturday's game.

Coins were thrown at two Celtic players during the Glasgow club's 4-0 win, while two visiting fans were caught by BBC cameras cheering the Hearts goalkeeper.


Courts need to impose fines to suit the crimes
Hearts security chief Tom Purdie

Nobody has so far been caught for the coin-throwing, despite appeals by police and Hearts for witnesses and information. "how much was thrown ?" was the general question after appeals

But Purdie rejected the possibility of a more draconian security regime at Tynecastle.

"I see no reason to change it and I have spoken to senior police officers and the match commander and he sees no reason to change it either," he said.

"We think it worked satisfactorily. The thing we could not allow for is someone turning up and throwing coins.
This would allow for the possibility of some fans getting on the bus to Ibrox


"There were 28 ejections, none of them from the Celtic support. And, when you analyse it, they were all pretty serious.

"They range from refusing to comply with police requests, ie to sit down and behave themselves, to sustained foul and abusive language, nazi salutes, abusing woman and children there were many assaults of a serious nature."

Purdie echoed calls by Scottish Football Association chief executive Gordon Smith to treat Hearts football hooligans more harshly in the courts.

"I think the courts play a huge part in this as you are not just a hooligan at three o'clock on a Saturday afternoon at Tynecastle, you are a hooligan all the
53

Bobby, Glasgow,

13/08/2008 16:00:22
Can I just point out that the victims here are St Mirren.

We unjustly lost a point.

We unjustly lost our best player this Saturday.

We unjustlt will lose that player for another 2-3 games later this season as a consequence.

I'll admit that if it hadn't been against Celtic we might just have lost the point. Falkirk and Dundee United after all had refs admit they made mistakes last year and red cards were recinded.... not against the OF though.
54

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 16:05:08
Away lie down to Rangers bobby you need arest
55

Who?,

13/08/2008 16:57:14
#54- thats a pretty bad job you made.

If your going to make things up at least make the believable- no celtic fans getting arrested, won't ever happen.

Why make up lies- is it cost your from whatburn?
56

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

13/08/2008 17:27:37
#57

Sorry Buddy if you can write in English. I´ll try and communicate :-)

try again

Hail Hail
57

Football first,

13/08/2008 18:26:48
Larrson,

Your comments at #32 say more about you than the saints fans. McGeady was booed because at the game in February - after being kept in David Barron's back pocket for most of the game - he decided to try out a Cantona-style kung-fu kick on the full-back.

In true fashion, Mr Smith didn't see that as a red card offence - although getting your shirt pulled by a Celtic striker clearly is!

That is why he was subject to abuse.

I will write this in as clear English as I can. Fans outside the Old Firm don't care about small minded bigotry. We don't engage in it, we just want to see good football played where both teams start on a equal basis and where refs are not making poor decisions as a result of bias/fan pressure/incompetence - whatever is behind it.

Your comments throughout this post just highlight everything that is wrong with the Old Firm and the shame that brings on our game.
58

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 18:44:51
Football first..Can I just comment on the "quaint" Buddies attitude to the OF.There are many things about the OF that need to be addressed but to set yourselves up as holier than thou,paragons of vitrue and the keepers of the pure football ideal is at least bogus and crass at worst...
As someone born near Paisley,and ocassionally a customer at Love St when I couldnt get a ticket for my own team (Support your locals if you can!)I witnessed a few "Renfrewshire Derbies...and must say that the behaviour of the home support was disgusting...So get aff yer high horse and give it a rest....
59

invictager,

Kent 13/08/2008 19:17:41
What I find interesting is that we see Saints as pro Celtic but from the above posts it is obvious that Celts see them as pro us.

That probably means Saints have got it about right.Good for you.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/08/2008 19:34:36
thanks to real radio if rangers dont sign rino gatteuso the rangers fans will face further disappointment...xxx
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Football first,

13/08/2008 20:07:12
Swordsman,

While I appreciate your patronising tone, I am not sure that you have really grasped what I am saying.

I don't think I said Saints fans are all perfect. I spend enough time at Love St to know how many idiots we have and derby games do bring out the worst in them - as they do for all teams.

I also know enough Celtic fans to know that most are decent folk who know what they are taking about. Most of who were honest enough to say that Cetic were rank on Sunday and were very lucky to benefit from a clearly wrong decision.

What I object to, is a Celtic fan claiming one of their players received 'sectarian' abuse from Saints fans because of his religion and which country he chose to play for when it is simply not the case. The point I am making is that that view would only be held by someone who looks at the world from that perspective.

The majority of Saints fans could not care less about that and it has nothing to do with football. McGeady's name was booed because of a specific incident where he lashed out at a Saints player because he couldn't better him on the park and that was not punished by a weak referee. Nothing to do with anything else.

And Invictager,

Your post conveniently sets out why we are all so bitter. If you are a Saints fan you grow up costantly answering the question - who do you really support?

The simple answer is that - like everyone else - we don't realy like either of you!

Sorry if that comes a shock.

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invictager,

Kent 13/08/2008 20:21:19
Ff
No shock. I was serious when I said good for you. I also go to see Motherwell when I get home to Lanarkshire so know exactly how it works.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 13/08/2008 20:47:33
Football First,
Apologies for the lateness of my reply but had other things to attend to!

Another apology if you thought I adopted a patronising tone.It's very vexing to have to put up with many non Celtic/Rangers fans lumping us all in the same bucket with the neanderthal contingent and I feel its my right to ermm, right that wrong,if you get my drift.

As for Sundays incident,You can scroll through all my posts (dull,I know!) and see that I did NOT think that there was a penalty/sending off situation.

In the interest of fairness,I cut n paste your post from earlier...

"Fans outside the Old Firm don't care about small minded bigotry. We don't engage in it, we just want to see good football played"

Please enlighten me as to how that sits with a later post re..

"I spend enough time at Love St to know how many idiots we have and derby games do bring out the worst in them "

ye cannae have it both ways,mate...Which is it to be?
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Football first,

13/08/2008 23:12:59
The difference is that I wouldn't describe the idiots as fans.

Unfortunately due to the numbers involved the idiots that follow the OF tend to have a louder voice!
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