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Whisky, haggis and shortbread take a back seat as Tartan Week becomes Scotland Week



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Published Date: 08 March 2008
IT IS the annual celebration of Scottish culture which never fails to generate more than its share of controversy, fashion faux pas and political spats.


Now Tartan Week, the Stateside festival, is at the centre of another row after being "rebranded" by Alex Salmond's administration at Holyrood.

Not content with ditching "The Best Small Country in The World" as the nation's marketing slogan and renaming the Scottish Executive as the Scottish Government, the First Minister has now ordered the binning of Tartan Week.

Perhaps mindful of the infamous image of his predecessor Jack McConnell in his ill-advised kilt, Mr Salmond has demanded a complete rethink of Holyrood's involvement in the festivities – starting by calling them Scotland Week.

Instead of throwing its weight behind high-profile events like the Tartan Day parade down Fifth Avenue, glamorous fashion shows, pop and rock concerts and major tourism initiatives in the Big Apple, the Scottish Government is set to take an altogether more serious approach.

All mention of Tartan Week – instigated in 1998 after the US Senate unanimously passed a resolution to designate 6 April Tartan Day in honour of Scotland's contribution to America – is said to have been outlawed within the government amid claims Scotland's reputation was being tarnished by the annual New York event.

Some ministers, including Mr Salmond, are expected to tour the US and Canada for a series of Scotland Week-themed events geared to promote business opportunities and help to attract inward investment.

Insiders say the Scottish Government is determined to avoid any prospect of the "Caledonian cringe" rearing its head and only wants to promote contemporary images of Scotland next month.

One source said: "Tartan Week has promoted entirely the wrong image of Scotland. It's all been far too shortbread tin… too many embarrassments."

Tourism minister Jim Mather said: "We want to spread our activities across various cities, not just New York, and we'll be taking a much more serious tack."

VisitScotland chief executive Philip Riddle admitted: "We're scaling back quite significantly."

One such scaling-back is the shelving of the annual Scottish Village, masterminded by VisitScotland, in Grand Central Station. The Dressed to Kilt fashion show has also been ditched.

And although the Tartan Day parade through Manhattan and a fun run through Central Park will go ahead, there is only a handful of other events. These include a football challenge organised by New York members of the Tartan Army, a showcase for Scottish Youth Theatre and a gala dinner hosted by writer Alexander McCall Smith.

Alan Bain, president of the American Scottish Foundation in New York, said: "The traditional images of Scotland are what tug the heartstrings over here."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "Our objectives will be to extend the reach of the celebrations… and showcase modern Scotland."



DECLARATION DAY

SCOTTISH groups and societies in North America have long taken the anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath, on 6 April, 1320, as the date to celebrate their roots.

In December 1991, after pressure from the Clans and Scottish Societies of Canada, the Ontario legislature passed a resolution proclaiming 6 April as Tartan Day, following the example of other Canadian provinces. The US followed suit in 1998, when Senate Resolution 155 was passed unanimously.

An informal Tartan Day parade was held that year, but it was only four years later that an official organising committee was set up, and bands were brought to the Big Apple from all over the world.

High-profile supporters over the years have included the Bond legend Sir Sean Connery, fellow actors Brian Cox and Alan Cumming, and rugby stars Gavin and Scott Hastings.

However, Tartan Week has often been marred by controversy over the amount of public funding needed. Former first minister Jack McConnell and Sir Sean had a high-profile falling-out, tensions over funding between Scotland's cities and VisitScotland boiled over, and funding was cut last year.

In 2007, the combined investment by VisitScotland and the Scottish Executive was about £750,000. No figures were available yesterday for this year's Scotland Week events.




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  • Last Updated: 08 March 2008 12:09 AM
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1

Thorson ,

Peterborough , Canada 08/03/2008 01:42:40

Re:"Mr Salmond has demanded a complete rethink of Holyrood's involvement in the festivities – starting by calling them Scotland Week".

Well done Alex ! I'm not an SNP supporter but serving up haggis, wearing tartan kilts, and nibbling on shortbread is not the image which will successfully promote a country of such diversity and potential as yours.
2

Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 02:29:29
I think it will flop without the icons Scottish Americans love dearly. Modern Scotland is something that should be promoted but tis not why we all go to Scotland and its not what will draw a crowd in NY. Sorry Salmond it will bomb without a little twee!
3

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 08/03/2008 02:48:12
Whiskey,haggis shortbread.All soon to be banned by the PC Brigade.
4

HZ,

08/03/2008 03:34:56
Nothing will tarnish Scotland's reputation more than Salmond and his petty bunch of beaurocrats meddling in another supposedly non-political event and once again trying to dictate what is and isn’t Scottish. Allow the event to be and do what was intended - an advertisement for all that is good about Scotland, even if the initial draw may have to be something a little cliched - a hostile 'this is what you'll think we are' approach will acheive nothing.
5

right of center,

Chicago 08/03/2008 03:45:01
Why is Connery wearing tartan above the Kilt? I hate that!
6

Stuart 2,

Pennsylvania Wilds 08/03/2008 03:46:18
It depends on which side of the pond one is. The citizens of Scotland want to promote their country. Yes, they can honor their ancestors but in promoting Scotland not only the historical Scotland but Scotland today. Nothing wrong with in that.

We across the pond celebrate Tartan Day to honor our ancestors and pay tribute to the Scotland they knew. I have traced six clans in my family tree, all highlanders so I know it wasn't peaches and cream. I wear my kilt for that reason. Also because we have fun doing it.

Scotland shouldn't completely do away with Tartan Day but it should be a part of Scotland Week. BTW, Just celebrting it in New York isn't the answer. Go down thru Pennsylvania to Georgia and then West and you will find where the real Scottish immigrants went and are.
7

MichScot,

USA 08/03/2008 04:29:39
You are right, Beth! The Irish do their whole gamut, and we love the Scottish stuff, myths and all! Frankenmuth, MI, has a restaurant with waiters in Lederhosen. That may bore the real Germans, and kilts and haggis may bore the Scots, but we don't get much exposure to anything non-American, so we really like ethnic stuff here. You can get modern any day of the week.

And that is why I don't listen to Thistle and Shamrock much. There are too many philosopher-singer-songwriters and Bob Dylan wannabes and people stuck in the seventies style. You can hear that anywhere. I'd rather hear the old stuff (Corries, Tannies) or the Afrocelt and techno than just more of the same old BORING thing you can find 24/7.
8

if it smells like chernobyl !!!!!!!!!!!,

08/03/2008 04:55:36
it's america, they love the connection with the old country, why not use it. !
9

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Bob Littlepage,

Denver, Colorado 08/03/2008 05:56:50
I recently uncovered a pretty strong link to the McGregor clan in my family history, making me take a lot more interest in all things Scottish (please keep the Mike Myers jokes to yourselves, kids).

Anyhoo, this is the first I've heard of Tartan Day, and I find the whole thing rather intriguing.

Frankly, I doubt whatever Holyrood decides will make a lick of difference, there'll still be plenty of haggis, shortbread, whiskey, and kilts to be seen.
11

EWB,

UK 08/03/2008 06:27:09
#11. The product is officially spelt "whiskey" in Ireland and the USA, but it's "whisky" in Scotland.

I wonder which Scottish flag will be used to promote Scotland: the white-on-blue Saltire or the more bonny Royal Standard, the red rampant lion on a yellow field so beloved of football (association, not grid-iron) supporters? We can't have the republican American's waving a royal flag, surely?
12

Los Angeles,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 06:38:56

Altering the title is the right thing to do.

American culture has dumbed down everything that moves, speaks, and sings. Let us reverse the process. Let's have them celebrate a modern Scotland and its march to regain nationhood. Let them support Scotland renewed, a Scotland regained.


13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 08/03/2008 06:45:03
What has Scotland to celebrate if the tartan tat is removed? Philosophers, inventors and midges don't do it for Americans.
14

unclesmrgol,

Culver City, CA 08/03/2008 06:45:20
As an American of Scots descent, I don't mind what your government calls our Tartan Day, and I don't mind what you promote, as long as your own people in the end benefit from the tax money you spend here (hopefully in the form of increased tourism from Canada and the United States).

15

Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 06:51:54

Rulesbutnotrulers.

Any chance you can try for more than drivel?

16

Tennscot,

McMinnville 08/03/2008 06:52:34
Alex Salmond Knows as Much about North Americans as my Butt knows about Rugby.!!!Most Americans know about Scotlands Achievements . From Building the Capitol Building in Austin Texas(Scottish stonemasons from Aberdeen) to Nashville and Kentucky.Where Bluegrass and Country owes its roots to Scots and Scots-Irish.The Word Hillbilly comes from Billyboy Immigrants. The Scots are a big part of the History of North America.From Presidents to Tycoons. Hell Even "Jack Daniels" will tell you where they learned to make "The water of life" so Alex Get a Grip , Spend Tartan Week in some Diet Spa, and let the rest of us Jocks and wanna bees Enjoy a wee Bit `o Kilty Land. Don`t try to tell us you never mixed Business with Pleasure.
17

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EWB,

UK 08/03/2008 07:29:09
I wonder what impression of Scotland the film "Trainspotting" gave Americans.
19

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 08/03/2008 07:38:30
#16 Los Angeles. Thank you for proving my point!
20

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 08:01:06
This reminds me of the Walt Disney film, 'Greyfriars Bobby' of the famous mid 19th century devoted dog.

All in glorious technicolour with views of Edinburgh for the Americans to rave over, and of course, the wee dog to pull at the heart strings.

There's a wonderful shot of Edinburgh Castle taken from Calton Hill. Unfortunately, in the foreground, is the North British/Balmoral Hotel, which was built in 1902.

Still, why let that get in the way of a good sry?
21

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 08:30:38
Actually, all we really need to extend the Americans' ideas of Scotland is:

The wee man Harry Lauder
Andy Stewart and the White Heather Club
Kenneth McKellar singing 'Scotland the Brave'
and...........

the dirge-like 'Flower of Scotland'

All eminently suitable for a rosy-tinted, backward-looking, Braveheart view of Scotland.

Cringe.
22

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 08/03/2008 08:44:30
Yet another blatant attempt by Salmond to carry out the wishes of the Scottish people, DELIBERATELY!

Tartan Week = Kailyard
23

Ken Mac,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 08:51:52
Surely it is a case of getting the balance right, of celebrating the old (I'm kind of fond of tartan, whisky and shortbread) and promoting the new Scotland. The Americans love a show and all things traditionally Scottish, why deny them it, enjoy it.
24

eric,

Lothian 08/03/2008 08:57:55
It is very backward.Glasgow and the Highlands dont even potray this image ,Glasgow modern dynamic.Now its going to be all undone and end up like Edinburgh .
25

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Sevrup,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 09:05:47
It would take a very clever graphic designer to create a such a memorable image as instantly recognisable as tartan. Perhaps those modern' cringers could supply the answer and satisfy my ignorance by telling me what Scotland is without tartan and a brief that can be translated visually?
27

calum,

08/03/2008 09:07:07
I'll settle for anything as long as the Americans and us are spared the sight of the grinning idiot Eric "Maroon Balloon" Milligan and Lesley Hinds sliding their way down 5th Avenue. Thankfully, last May's elections have saved us from that!!
28

Joe,

Livingston 08/03/2008 09:18:08
Scotland's tartan image brings in the tourists, make no mistake about that. It's
our heritage, our Worldwide image. Substituting tartan with the Finnieston Crane and bagpipes with guitars is hardly likely to attract the masses. Tartan is what visitors and ex-pats expect, let's not
allow the SNP 'cringe' to destroy their expectations
29

Joe,

Livingston 08/03/2008 09:22:31
#19..Trainspotting was filmed in Glasgow.
See www.scotlandonsunday.co.uk
Sunday 21st. May 2006
30

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 09:30:54
I think the point of the new approach is that if you are using the taxpayers funds then you need to see that is spent in ways that will bring the most reward to Scotland, not just the politicians going over on a tax payer funded pissup. Here is an idea to give New Yorkers a real feel for Scotland without tapping the public purse. Why don't they schedule an international friendly between the Scottish and American football teams during Scotland week? The Tartan army descending on New York, what a sight that would be.
31

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 09:40:32
We need a Scottish version of Riverdance.
Something traditional which can be presented in a contemporary way. A modern musical based around highland dancing with contemporary music.
In short We need a Michael Flaherty.
32

Gothic Rose,

08/03/2008 09:42:11
How other countries celebrate their days,is surely their business."Scotland Week"? Picture the Puns to come!
33

RogueMark,

USA/UK 08/03/2008 09:46:22
Is this more of a situation where Salmond wants to be seen as the "mastermind" for the new Scotland Week by binning Tartan Week, which was developed by the previous administrations? I take it that Mr. Salmond fails to recognize that there are more people of Scottish bloodline outside of Scotland than in it and enjoy celebrating their heritage by wearing their clan's kilt, eat shortbread and haggis. If he desires to gain support from abroad for economic investment he needs to understand that using these bits of heritage are a strong base to build on. Also, these are the images that bring tourist money to Scotland...not what new building is being raised. This change seems like he is ashamed of his own heritage by trying to diminish, even hiding, it to promote a bland generic future for Scotland.
34

bill-alba,

Fife 08/03/2008 10:00:00
The US and Canada can continue to call April 6th "tartan day" it is just a bit silly for Scotland to name the day that celebrates the Declaration of Arbroath (or Independence day) as tartan day. So well done Alex...When we are independent we can celebrate the day as a public holiday.
35

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36

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 10:08:40
It is so clear the Scots here have little or no understanding of the Scots of Gaelic ancestry and many other Scots as well.

Few very few come to Scotland to visit the Industrial areas etc. It is like the English colonialist who always knows best.

Most of the Scots from the Industrial areas of Scotland could not wait to integrate and lose all traces of their Scottishness and as quickly as possible.
37

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:12:05
RogueMark,
I think your of the mark. Noboby is getting rid of all the Tartan and Haggis. He is just making a better use of Scottish Public Funds. How the American organizers choose to spend their funds is up to them. The subtelty that I see most don't understand is he is going to focus more effort on trying to draw inward investment into Scotland, rather than use this as a Photo Op for a bunch of do nothings like the previous administration.
38

South Ayrshire Sanny Hossack,

08/03/2008 10:15:04
Sean Connery backs tartan week, this is the same Sean Connery who promotes and advertises Suntory Japanese whisky, its outrages, the people of Scotland and companys like Diageo should give this numpty a wide bearth. Hes a fannie.
39

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:21:16
#36 Kimba
Their is nothing hypocritical about Sean Connery. He has been constant in his opposition to the Union, even to the point of becoming a tax exile to insure none of his money was used to prop up Westminster.
40

kimba,

08/03/2008 10:27:35
40. But he took the knighthood from the Queen of England!
41

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 10:28:07
Why are so many in Scotland wanting an independent Scottish State that is a copy of England linguistically, culturally and socially.

Should we not then just the status quo, devolution.
42

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:30:34
#35 bill-alba
I think the Government as part of the Scotland Week celebrations should sponsor an essay writing competition for American high school students. The theme should be how the Declaration of Arbroath was an inspiration for the American Revolution. The winner could be given a trip for them and their family to Scotland. This would also enlighten many American's about Scotlands current struggle for Indepenance and should help with support for swift recognition when we declare Independance.
43

Heather B,

Anstruther 08/03/2008 10:30:53
I think the SNP don't want the negative press here in Scotland. Everyone remembers Jack McConnell's kilt and blouse. (Though a quick look up on Alec Salmond Tartan Week in g oogle will show another First Minister looking daft)
44

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:33:23
#41
She is also currently the Queen of Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia.
45

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 10:37:07
Most Scots whose ancestors came from the Central Belt of Scotland became Anglos with little effort as quickly as they could and have only recently come out of the closet knowing that it was safe and the right thing financially to do so.



46

kimba,

08/03/2008 10:41:54
Indeed she is,she was also born and bred in England and her grandsons {wills&harry} are avid supporters of England! watch the rugby today and see for yourself.
47

Saoghal Beag,

08/03/2008 10:42:10
EWB, obvioously they will use the saltire and not the lion rampant which is a royal standard.

Right of center, and why should he not wear tartan above the kilt, beats a bow tie. Also if he chose to wear a plaid over his shoulder or if he wore the full kilt he again would have tartan above his waist.
48

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 10:44:11
Oh! look at that lovely photograph. Its a tartan kilted Scot, with an English title. Scratch a tartan kilted Scot and you are most likely to find a "SIR" there somewhere.
49

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:48:43
#46
Over the top, you are so utterly ignorant of history you could only be the product of the American school system. The American Revolution was primarily a Scots and Scots Irish undertaking. The majority of the signatories on your Declaration of Independance where of Scots or Scots Irish descent. Since it was Scots who created your country they had no need to assimilate. What you hold out as "Anglo" culture is in fact Scottish. Your entire nation has in fact been assimilating into Scottish culture
50

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:52:41
#47
Well what would you expect from a bunch of inbred Germans.
51

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 10:53:19
Whiskey -Tartan and shortbread,do not make a nation. Freedom from English rule is the only road to Scottish nationhood. When that day comes, I am afraid that we shall have to remove Mr.Bond's English title.
52

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 10:56:52
#41 Kimba.. How right you are!
53

kimba,

08/03/2008 11:06:17
51,about as much as I would expect from a bunch of inbred scots! after all her mother was the daughter of a scottish earl.
54

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow Home of the brave Scots. 08/03/2008 11:10:38
#45 Kampung.........Lizzie Windsor is queen of England.Most people throughout the world recognise her as "queen of England" and that is exactly what she is. She has no authority to be queen of any part of Ireland,as 87% of the people on the island of Ireland reject any form of monarchy. 49% of the Australian people rejected her at the last poll. I an sure that if a poll were to be taken here in Scotland,she would get her marching orders. We as True Scots object to being "ruled over" by a English-German queen.AWAY WITH HER! Phoblacht na Alba go brugh. Alba abhu!
55

Transparent?,

Scotland 08/03/2008 11:14:57
All this because Salmond refuses to be seen wearing a kilt - and, with his shape, who can blame him for that.

What the SNP cannot aspire to, they will steal or destroy.
56

KampungHighlander,

08/03/2008 11:15:43
#54
"after all her mother was the daughter of a scottish earl." Next time just say grandaughter. Well she isn't totally worthless then. Kimba since you love coming on this sight to wave St Georges flag about tell me what you think of the following statement. Since all the people in the United Kingdom have primary identification with the individual kingdoms of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, would it not be best that the Union was disolved and that each kingdom become an independant nation.
57

kimba,

08/03/2008 11:19:56
It always amazes me why people can't be SCOTS/BRITISH ENGLISH/BRITISH etc,I support a English parliament to deal with English affairs but I also support the union.
58

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 11:24:24
#57
After Scotland has achieved Independance we can put that question to the Scottish people in a referendum.
I personally don't have strong feeling on the matter one way or the other.
59

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 11:31:34
#61
But Why? This British thing is superfluous. Can't you come up with a better reason than some vague emotional attachment to a concept best left in the Age of Empire, rather than the Modern Age.
60

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 11:38:12
Why can't the Scots accept that they are the same as the English but with an accent.
Being different from the English is just not for them as they have no reason to be different.
61

subrosa,

08/03/2008 11:57:36
At last an end to visitscotland's jollie and now hopefully sensible use of taxpayers monies. For too many years visitscotland has been out there for weeks at this time supposedly 'promoting' Scotland but not setting a foot outside New York. The only thing they did was a fashion parade, the rest of arrangements such as pipe bands etc being provided by the American diaspora.
62

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 11:59:09
Get shot of VisitScotland altogether.
It is an unhealthy obsession with tourism. Those who wish to visit may, yet to be advertising in other countries, is another way of having your own land swamped by people who have been encouraged to go rather than chosen to go for a good reason.
63

Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:06:49
18. "Dont knock Alex Salmond, as he along with millions of others over here hope to end being ruled by Westminster."

Is that so? "Millions"? Where do you get that nonsense from?!

Repeated polls show roughly a quarter of the electorate want out of the UK. That's barely 900,000.

Again, all polls show only about 900,000 of us want independence. Not millions.

Not even nine long months of Salmond and his whingers picking one pointless little fight after another with the UK has boosted support. In fact, support has dropped.

Unless, of course, you can prove otherwise.
64

EWB,

UK 08/03/2008 12:09:13
#30. I don't get your point. I said: "What impression of Scotland does 'Trainspotting' give?"

Are you trying to say that Glasgow isn't part of Scotland?
65

H215,

New York 08/03/2008 12:13:28
Excuse me, but ITS OUR BLOODY HOLIDAY, NOT YOURS!!

What the frack is this - 3 weeks before Tartan Week, and he thinks he can rename OUR holiday!!

OK, what's sauce for the goose....

I hereby outlaw the word "Hogmanay." From now on, it'll be "New Year's Eve in Edinburgh." You Scots will have to accept it.

Please!! I don't care what Salmond does with Scottish taxpayers money, its his decision, but Tartan Day is OUR holiday.

Way to go, Alex. Way to build good relations with the Diaspora, so that we come over and give you our money.
66

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:19:09
42
Over the Top

Exactly what planet are you from ?

English media manipulation and historical propaganda endorsement Planet ?

"Why are so many in Scotland wanting an independent Scottish State """that is a copy of England linguistically, culturally and socially."""

Should we not then just the status quo, devolution."

A couple of wee facts, assuming your nursery school has finished. England does not have a culture, this is exactly why so many problems emanate from their system. Observing the english bubble in Scotland, most you will find of an opinion exactly opposed to your bizarre comment which flounders under oppression.
Any thinking native knows, this foreign system to Britain is the problem, we are the solution. We are the roots, we are the growing cultural stem which will allow our country to rise back on the feet she so assertedly deserves to stand with again and will educate, inspire conceive, invent, design, create, control our own resources and move forward with a multi-linguistic populace fully aware of their past and the way forward to the future on our own terms.
67

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:21:54
74
Highland Mighty,
08/03/2008 12:06:49

Polls don't mean a thing, are you still into the Union?

Out of the UK?, don't you mean regain independence?

http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/anonn-is-anall/the-challenge-to-the-uk-state/
68

H215,

New York 08/03/2008 12:24:43
PS. WE still have our own events. The St. Andrews Society is hosting a cocktail party and ball, the NY Caledonians are hosting the Pre-Parade Ceilidh, the New York Tartan Day Committee is hosting the Parade, plus there's the Kirking of the Tartan, the Parade Day Brunch, the After-Party at Stout, and finally, the Tartan Army is hosting the After Party Party. Plus more!

Go to www dot tartanweek dot com to learn more. Come and visit!
69

Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:25:38
77. Ard Righ: "England does not have a culture"

Ah, that beautiful racist side to the nationalist movement on show to the world, yet again. Truly the pride of Scotland.

You are a blot on this country. Feel free to emulate so many of the other nationalists on these boards who love Scotland so much that they emigrated.

Begone and stay gone.
70

Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:27:06
79. You're the scum of Scotland. Get out of my country.
71

Gdgy,

08/03/2008 12:29:16
once again the SNP grab some headlines, riase some issues...HOw about doing something?
Or would that expose how badly they have budgeted, how they can't deliver on their promises...
Nicola - get the excuse generator on full warped power...No, no captain Lec, it cannae take anymore!!
72

Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 08/03/2008 12:33:38
Well said # 74!

'Some Ministers, including Mr Salmond are expectd to tour the USA.' So far, the clot's managed to upset a large volume of opinion in his own country. Why doesn't he stay there and try and put that right before setting off on tax paid jollies overseas. He could start by recognising that his personal ambitions aren't shared by the majority of his countrymen.

73

H215,

New York 08/03/2008 12:37:32
Hi #78. Thank you for the nice remark about NYC. Yes, we love for people to come visit.

But VisitScotland HAS been muscling in, being dismissive of us, etc etc for years. Many of us have given up on them ever playing nice.

We don't understand it, because we're all working for the same thing basically - a recognition and celebration of the contribution of Scots and Scottish-Americans to the US (and Canada - they have their own events); with a strengthing of the bonds between our various countries; leading to increased trade, travel, etc.

Yes, some of us love the Holy Trinity (whisky, tartan, shortbread). But at the same time, that's what VisitScotland has been pushing. We're not the bad guys here.

So how about a MIX of the Trinity AND the new stuff (eco-tourism, sustainable energy technologies, and so on). And individual people can sup from whatever parts of the mix they like.

The sandbox and the dinner table are big enough for all.

Though the pub's getting crowded....
74

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:38:28
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Over the Top,
08/03/2008 11:38:12

You are supremely odd and or thick.

The Scots are Pictish and Irish, we are the natives.The english are different. About as similar as Russians compared with Americans.

Given that the Scots, Irish, Cymry, Cornish and other pockets of Celtic peoples in Britain and Ireland ARE the norm, and that the english (germanic invading colonists) had their speech altered by a university recently, not a culture, and all have english accents, cannot pronounce r's properly as the rest of the world can, clearly the english accent is exactly that, an accent and is not normal by any definition of the term. Utterly contrived. Baseless, Corrupt.
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Carrie D,

Halifax NS 08/03/2008 12:48:57
Once again, the true origin of Tartan Day has been forgotten.

It is a day that stems from an idea at a meeting of the Federation of Scottish Clans of Nova Scotia in Antigonish, NS, in 1986. The FSCNS took the idea forward, as a Canadian day to commemorate our Scottish heritage and the struggles the Scottish people had when they came to this country.

The Nova Scotia House of Assembly passed the First Tartan Day act in 1987 and the idea, thanks in part to the work of Jean Watson, has spread from there.

We are currently strategizing on having Tartan Day officially recognized by the government of Canada. However, our PM is a Yorkin!
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John S,

08/03/2008 12:49:44
#74 - It depends on what poll one wants to believe.
Telegraph 17/12/2007- Support for separation has risen to 40 per cent in the past three months, according to the survey by TNS System Three, carried out in late November and early December. The figure is an increase of five per cent since the last time the poll was run in August.


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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:52:58
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Highland Mighty,
08/03/2008 12:25:38

My, you are are particularly deluded today High and Mighty Unionist agenda boy.

Obviously you cannot differentiate between cultural observations, or non-cultural for that matter,less differentiate between racist or nationalist or indeed standing up for your nationality.

Of course the english don't have a culture, they live in South Britain? Morris dancing! it's from Morrocco.

You are not a Scot, why are you here, paid up unionism?

I emulate free thought. Drone.
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Finnharp,

08/03/2008 12:59:26
#11 Bob Littlepage:

Its funny reading this stuff and coming across your post. I m oved to Canada 20 years ago have a Canadian wife and three kids. My youngest son is McGregory from our ancestry. You never know we may be related.
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joppa jock,

Huntingdon 08/03/2008 13:12:36
As is the norm in the postings in this paper every subject develops into a verbal battle between the Nationalists and the Unionists while the subject for discussion gets lost in the smoke of battle. It is interesting that the overwhelming number of postings from overseas are far more interested in maintaining the old style Tartan Day than the proposed one. As they are the people who are to be enticed into spending money on return trips to Scotland surely they must be listened to.
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Dylan fan,

Planet earth 08/03/2008 13:22:28

Well anything Scottish is wonderful! Surely modern Scottish Society has its serious and outrageous side, why not enjoy them both? I mean where else can you get a sample of Scotch whiskey in your Sunday News?
or enjoy something like the Fringe Festival? (just two examples) What everyone likes about you is that you are you!!!
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paul 02,

Germany . 08/03/2008 13:34:52
What irritants those two Irishmen Salmond and Connery are ! There is much to commend Scotland without those two complete nonentities and their humbug . The Scotland I know is a beautiful , historic , welcoming . It does not need a tax evading half wit as its spokesman .
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Methalions,

08/03/2008 13:38:09
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Over the Top,
08/03/2008 11:38:12
"Why can't the Scots accept that they are the same as the English but with an accent.
Being different from the English is just not for them as they have no reason to be different."

In which case, Austria is Germany, part of Belgium is France, Switzerland should shut up shop as the languages are Italian, French & German. I'm sorry...your post is nonsense.
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Methalions,

08/03/2008 13:42:43
95 Paul 02

I have shat diahorrhea with more substance than your post.
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 13:46:24
#63 Kampung......Point taken!
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 13:50:52
#69 Clarry...... We will agree to differ.
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Pud Pu,

NYC 08/03/2008 13:52:12
The parade goes down 6th avenue you numbskulls

I hate all things Scottish but the Yanks love it. I've seen them swarming like flies round poo at the Grand central exhibition.

Salmond has shot his own Jacobite foot this time.

Every other country has a daft parade here in NY so I'm glad Scotland cannae now dae it. Cos yous are no a country and dont deserve a festival like all the othir countries.

A vicorty for Britania.

We are the people !
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Abel Magwitch,

08/03/2008 13:52:15
A word in defence of the English culture. Until 1947 I went to school in England and we got a heavy dose of it via the poems of Sir Henry Newbolt (Admirals All for England's sake) and innumerable songs such as "There'll Always be an England", "The Fishermen of England". As a prize I was given a book called "Where the Rainbow Ends" a marvellous over-the-top evocation of England, with St.George making an appearance near the end. After moving to Scotland I got another book prize but this time it was one of John Buchan's novels which I enjoyed much more than the Rainbow book, but nevertheless it had made its impression.

Scotland is emerging slowly and painfully from its long cringe period but don't let's make it an excuse for playground name-calling; the two cultures are strong enough to respect each other.
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Really,

08/03/2008 14:02:38
scotland, scotland, freedom, independance, braveheart, scotland is great, scotland is good. except in any town centre on a weekend.
it's no fair, scotland would be the bestest country in the world if it wasn't for everybody else picking on us and stealing our stuff.
the english, the english , the english.
scotland is not a country full of racists really, unless you're english, or asian, or pakistani, or chinese, or anything other than scottish actually.
scotland the brave, our glorious past, ruled over by the yoke of an english tyrant. yeah right.
if scotland is so great, why is everybody here as miserable as sin and constantly moaning about everything.
oh yes, i forgot, it is all the fault of the english.
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H215,

New York 08/03/2008 14:03:06
#100 - Don't understand your hate, so I'll ignore it. But two points for other readers - the Parade goes UP 6th Avenue, and the Parade is most definitely on.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 14:11:42
Thank God. It is about time something was done about Visitscotland and their inadequacies. Frankly they couldn't sell peanuts to monkeys and wrapping themselves in tartan has been their excuse for a lack of creativity and imagination for years. To our transatlantic cousins look guys I don't quite know how to break it to you but the clan tartan thing- we kind of made it up in the 19th century, much as many of us love haggis and shortbread we don't live on it. Neither do we in any shape or form resemble Brigadoon and as a matter of fact we invented your country in Edinburgh during the enlightenment. Neither are we now or ever were all highlanders. So if you want to get in touch with your Scottish heritage read some decent history books, preferably the ones without pictures.
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The Tin Man,

Ove rthe Rainbow 08/03/2008 14:15:54
#201 Really

Exactly.

So, someone changed the name of a parade in New York..... yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn!
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 14:23:45
Who is kidding who?

Of course, England has a Culture and a language as well which is shared and copied by millions in Scotland.
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Distant Diamond,

Boston 08/03/2008 14:46:25
As a Scot in the USA for work, I was at the parade during Tartan week last year and people were handing out wee paper Saltire's. It was fun but I can't name the number of Americans who had to ask which country the flag was from!?

The problem with calling it Tartan week is anybody who wears a kilt muscles into the parade... there were a couple of Irish pipe bands in the parade last year! Our Irish cousins really know how to market themselves in the US, and we need to build on our strong roots there too, so calling it Scotland week is an excellent start! Well done the SNP. We need some of the twee shortbread type stuff so people get hooked in initially but there should be a defined link, on the same page if you will, with what Scotland has given to the world and what it will continue to give to the world in the future.
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Joanna,

08/03/2008 14:48:28
KampungHighlander @ 50

"The majority of the signatories on your Declaration of Independance where of Scots or Scots Irish descent"

Maybe so, but they used the iconic Magna Carta signed by King John of England in 1215 as the basis for it. After the American War of Independence against Britain, two clauses from Magna Carta became the fifth and sixth amendments of the American Constitution.

So, it most certainly was influenced by the English. I really do think you should read up on it.

The statement that the English do not have a culture is completely stupid and hardly worth my time addressing. However, we know the richness of our English heritage, our wealth of literature, art and music and our language which we have given to the world. We are so secure in our identity that we do not constantly have to shout and denigrate other countries as some of the 'tartan' posters on here do. If I sound arrogant, so be it, when it comes to being English I am proud of it as are so many of my fellow countrymen and women and whether there is a union or not, we will still be English.


To the New Yorkers - Good Luck with your Tartan (Scotland) Day, it sounds like fun and that's what we need more of in this world - a bit of fun :)
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 08/03/2008 15:12:21
Clarry

Who do you think sailed on the Mayflower? Yes, that's right pilgrims from Boston in England who were fleeing from religious oppression.

Who do you think were sent on the convict ships to Austrailia? Yes, that's right all the flotsam and jetsam of the English prison system.

Have you heard of the Enclosures Acts? They were a series of Acts of Parliament which forced English peasants off the land and into the mills, mines and factories to fuel the Industrial Revolution.

Your ignorance of England and the ordinary people is breataking. We are not all members of the ruling elite and I can assure you that the working classes of England suffered under the rule of the nobility every bit as much and sometimes more so than other countries.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 08/03/2008 15:14:04
Clarry

You obviously have a one track mind - I said the American Consitition was influenced by Magna Carta not the War.

That is a fact, twist it whichever way you want, I deal in facts only.
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Methalions,

08/03/2008 15:40:30
119 Clarry

Coolish (15ºC) a few days back. According to INM, the ne