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Published Date: 05 April 2008
BRITAIN'S leading publicist, Max Clifford, has accused the Scottish Government of thinking too small and being too conventional with Scotland Week.
Mr Clifford has said there appeared to be nobody in the Scottish Government capable of thinking up something to get the country the attention of millions of Americans.

He questioned why they had not thought about putting Simon Cowell in a kilt for the American Idol show today.

He added that 100 speeches by Alex Salmond, the First Minister, would not make up for that.

"That was just one idea off the top of my head," said Mr Clifford. "Simon Cowell is Britain's biggest star in America on America's biggest show by far, beamed to at least 25 million there and even more around the globe.

"If Simon had worn a kilt, something he has never done before, then he would been asked why and could explain that it was to mark Scotland week.

"Immediately it would have hit all the front pages, millions of Americans would have been thinking about Scotland and you would have had millions pounds of publicity in a minute.

"The trouble is that the people who organise these things are conventional and think too small."

The newly rebranded Scotland Week has though been hailed as a success by the Scottish Government. It dropped some of the glitz from its old incarnation as Tartan Week and had a far more serious approach, led by the First Minister.

Mr Clifford's comments seem to be backed up with the apparent difficulty of finding Scotland Week stories on US media websites.

However, an official Scottish Government spokesman pointed out that Mr Salmond has had interviews in significant newspapers, including the New York Times, appeared on many business channels, and his three keynote speeches have been so popular people have had to be turned away. They are planning booking bigger auditoriums next year.

Added to that, they have attracted the attention of some of America's foremost political glitterati, including its leading lady Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Representatives.

The Scottish Government spokesman said: "We are well satisfied with the media coverage we have received; it is never easy."

The parade in the Big Apple will feature 2,000 pipers and drummers; no Sean Connery this year, but it does figure the Scottish American footballer Lawrence Tynes, of the newly crowned Super Bowl champions, the New York Giants.

Writing for The Scotsman in the News Review today, the First Minister is proud of his achievements – in particular, the impact of the £10 million Saltire Prize, which he launched with National Geographic this week for inventors to come up with ways of harnessing clean, renewable energy, such as wave power.

"We are a nation with the ambition to be one of the success stories of this 21st century. We are a small country that is thinking big," he wrote. "Scotland has already been blessed with black gold – our North Sea oil resource – and we now have a second windfall, the green gold of our vast offshore renewable power.

"The ideas generated by the Saltire Prize will be demonstrated in Scotland, making our country the place to be for this particularly important renewable technology."

However, one journalist who has attended several Tartan weeks said this year's "had the impact of a wet weekend in Wick".

In The Scotsman news review today American business and media analyst Dan Gainor also raise doubts about this year's "subtle approach".

TARTAN WEEK VETERAN BACKS INDEPENDENCE VOTE

THE veteran American politician who helped to dream up Tartan Week has backed Alex Salmond's calls for a referendum on independence.

Former Mississippi senator Trent Lott has said the people of Scotland should be given the chance to decide their own future.

He did not back independence, but said a referendum might help Scotland to get a better deal out of Union.

Mr Lott said: "(A referendum] is the democratic way to do things. You need to make sure your leaders have considered all the ramifications carefully.

"As Lincoln would say, you should trust the people when they have been informed properly on an issue."

A source close to the First Minister said the SNP was delighted to receive Mr Lott's backing.

The main UK parties oppose a referendum and have set up a review of the Scottish Parliament's powers as a rival to the SNP's National Conversation.


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  • Last Updated: 04 April 2008 11:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Tartan Week
 
1

Senga Jean,

Scotland 05/04/2008 00:20:26
So long as Salmond keeps promoting Scotland in this way I will live with his cheeky grin. The National Geographic deal is priceless in promoting Scotland's involvement in new technology.
2

Stepford Nat..,

05/04/2008 00:23:23
2 Encarta

Unfair, and are you a bit of a snob, with your remark about trailer homes?

Headlines are good, whatever about the substance behind them. Remember this is the greatest living scot who ever drew breadth. And I bet he's not having a great time at our expense.

Convert www.snp.org
3

GM,

05/04/2008 00:24:17
and now the Scotsman relies on Max Clifford for negative opinion on the SNP and Salmond?

and I thought my 'Alex ate my Hamster' spoof was exactly that -
I'll give it 1 year before this rag prints it for real.
4

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 05/04/2008 00:32:40
Barrell


Bottom


Scraping
5

Anne O'Gram,

05/04/2008 00:33:40
Try this (Scottish Nationalist Party)

transatlant!c sh!t y!ps too
6

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 05/04/2008 00:33:47
Barrell


Bottom


Scraping
7

Anne O'Gram,

05/04/2008 00:40:29
or this (Alex ate my hamster)

Aye, Max Smelt Earth
8

Anne O'Gram,

05/04/2008 00:45:05
(Wendy Alexander)

We Annexed Lardy
9

Anne O'Gram,

05/04/2008 00:47:11
7 Dougie Douglas

Aged Odious Lug
10

Abel Magwitch,

05/04/2008 00:53:58
My American friends have the greatest difficulty pronouncing place names like Stranraer, Kircudbright and Lesmahagow...and personal names like Farquhar and Colquhoun, and understanding the psychology of Scottish football supporters and Scottish politics. There is a best selling book waiting to be written entitled "A tour of Scotland without ever having to cross the Atlantic".
11

Stepford Nat..,

05/04/2008 01:01:20
11 Encarta

Ooops, sorry, I got your name right, but I didn't have your number.

Your first paragraph refers to catering solutions, but it's more than that. Ringtones, diet aids, flags, to name but a few.

As regards the greatest - Alex,of course (I'm surprised you asked)
12

The Strategist,

05/04/2008 01:19:47
I'm truly horrified that anyone at the Scotsman would have such appallingly bad taste as to ask Mr Clifford anything about anything.
13

Stepford Nat..,

05/04/2008 01:25:10
14 Encarta

An excellent counter!

www.snp.org (go on..)
14

Anne O'Gram,

05/04/2008 01:31:13
15 The Strategist

Test great sh!t

(nothing personal, I can't sleep)
15

Colkitto,

River Clyde 05/04/2008 02:41:26
Clifford himself is a has been. Let's demean the whole thing with Cowal in a kilt.
This is about the cultural being of Scotland in the international arena not the X factor !!
16

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/04/2008 04:12:26
Why would you want to associate Scotland Week with somebody as generally disliked by most American's as Simon Cowell? What message are you trying to send?

Come to Scotland, were all complete pratts like Simon Cowell!

Here is a suggestion for next years Scotland Week that would really get some attention and reflect positivly on Scotland without costing a lot of money. How about an International Friendly Match between Scotland and America. I can think of nothing that would get Americans attention more than seeing 10,000 kilted members of the Tartan Army on the streets of New York.
17

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 05/04/2008 04:46:45
Who is Max Clifford and why does the Scotsman give such a self-important fool so much credence? Is he perchance the person who talked Jack McConnell into making such a fool of himself and all his countrymen by wearing that silly "kilt" outfit for Tartan Day. KampungHighlander's comment (#23) is absolutely correct.

Alex Salmond has been doing a wonderful job for Scotland in the United States, but the Scottish press has been downplaying the value of most of it. I challenge the Scotsman's editors to print Alex's inspiring and important speech on Tuesday at the University of Virginia. It is readily available at http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/This-Week/Speeches/First-Minister/Virginia.
18

Yankee girl,

USA 05/04/2008 05:40:34
23 KampungHighlander,Jakarta 05/04/2008 04:12:26
Why would you want to associate Scotland Week with somebody as generally disliked by most American's as Simon Cowell? What message are you trying to send.

I certainly agree. I can't think of anything that would make me shudder more than Simon Cowell in a kilt! Really, what are they thinking?

19

donald,

glasgow 05/04/2008 07:31:03
Cowell objected to the MacDonald Bros wearing kilts.
20

Mik Wilso,

edinbvrgh 05/04/2008 07:38:01
who asked Cowell if he will do it - so there is no story.
21

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 07:53:38
For feck's sake, surely Eck wasn't daft enough to let the Septics know we had oil. Expect a wee visit of 'liberation' any time soon. Seriously, it doesn't matter how much time and money you spend trying to broaden the horizons of your average American. I've been there a good few times and do like them, but most of them struggle to know where Canada is, let alone a tiny wee country of 5 million. And trying to explain the national and constitutional makeup of the UK usually makes for hours of fun.
22

La La,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 08:01:14
Simon Cowell in a kilt - I'm drooling already........please let this happen ;-) Seriously he did say he was partly Scottish on the X-Factor so maybe he would be someone to use to promote the Scots in the US.
23

Shug the Dug,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 08:18:10
Congratulations. I was livid to find the "North British-man" (surely the correct name best indicating your political sympathies than the Scotsman) but on reading through the comments I found sound sense and sensibility to be in the majority and the cringers and apologists feeble in their attempted sneers.
P.S. To understand the significance of the term "North British" or "North Britain" will involve reading up on your history instead of engaging in facile sarcasm.
24

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05/04/2008 08:21:17
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25

Calum Crubag,

05/04/2008 08:34:02
True, the millions of simpletons and airheads who watch American Idol aren't gonna do much for Scotland's economy. Thought on the other hand, do we need it? I'll bet Scotland has a higher profile in the States than most countries of it's size. Especially those who are not fully independent. Ireland does well but having it's own indpendent government helps.
26

Nikostratos,

05/04/2008 08:34:40
Most Americans support their Armed forces even if they do not agree with the Presidents Iraq policy.

And given Mr Salmond well known views towards the Iraq war he is unlikely to be given a warm welcome (unlike tony blair) by the American people. It would be have been more effective if someone else less controversial had been used to carry out this role.
although this has to be seen as a posturing photo opportunity by Mr Salmond aimed at the snp supporters within Scotland......
27

Calum Crubag,

05/04/2008 08:35:51
#32 - Federation, we should learn from Ireland? Aye, indpendence! Funny how 'seperation' is good for them but not for us? Wonder how many other Brit Nats would argue that Ireland should once more be under London rule?
28

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 08:52:18
If I were Salmond I would put as much distance as possible between himself and Trent Lott. Does anyone here on this board know who Trent Lott is? He is one of the most racist men to hold office in the 21th century and hails from the poorist state in the USA, Mississippi. In 1998, Lott caused national outrage and controversy in Congress when as a guest on the Armstrong Williams television show, he equated homosexuality to alcoholism, kleptomania and sex addiction. When Williams, a conservative talk show host, asked Lott whether homosexuality was a sin, Lott replied, "Yes, it is. Under pressure from Senate colleagues, and having lost the support of the White House, Lott resigned as Senate Republican Leader on December 20, 2002 after praising a outspoken racist politician from South Carolina.
29

MoClana,

Stirling 05/04/2008 08:55:49
yip Mr Clifford......better still why didnt we think of dressing up dolly Parton as a Haggis ! then we could have really stereo typed our country to suit your litle ignorant Anglo Saxon brain.

If its all about attention grabbing headlines why dont you put on a kilt and show the whole world your a**e, where much of your thoughts originate.

30

Jock 107,

05/04/2008 08:59:10
37 Beth Boyle

Know a man by his friends
31

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 05/04/2008 09:02:43
The underlying psychology of this seems completely misguided. It seems that people want American investors to come and 'save' Scotland - rather than relying on our own entrepreneurs. I mean Trump comes along and offers to build £500 million of houses - and everyone goes bananas. But Scotland's membership of the United Kingdom delivers £30 BILLION every year - that's £30,000,000,000 of investment in Scotland.
But apparently that's not enough - that won't do the job. We need to go cap in hand to American capitalists - who are not reknowned for being sypathetic towards 'socialist' countries with 'socialised medicine', council housing and socialist politics. Promote Scotland by all means - but don't think that salvation is going to come from abroad - it isn't. There are no free lunches in the globalised new world order.
32

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 09:06:10
Amen Tweedmouth
33

obeone,

05/04/2008 09:08:06
" I'll bet Scotland has a higher profile in the States than most countries of it's size."

Yeah right! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ

Typical British attitude that the world revolves around us, most Americans would struggle to point to the UK on a map, let alone understand the difference between England and Scotland etc. Liverpool will have more recognition just because of the Beatles.
34

Steve,

Bo'ness 05/04/2008 09:12:31
Is Simon Cowell Scottish?
NO HE ISN'T!
So what makes Max think he'd be willing to prance around in a kilt promotiong Scotland? It would have to one with a high waistband.. and big pockets.

Think we can do without these sad interventions from Clifford. Salmond is doing a great job.
35

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 09:16:50
If Scotland wants to look forward thinking it should not have a leader who is a friend of Trend Lotts. Most Americans cringe at the mention of that mans name. Anyone who cares about social issues and progressive thinking shudders at the mention of Lott who just resigned from the senate.
36

Melly,

Dunblane 05/04/2008 09:17:57
So how did Max Clifford even know that Salmond was in America? Did the Scotsman phone him up for a funny line?
37

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 09:22:50
#29 Draco

I agree with your observation about most Americans not knowing where Canada is, however, the ones that matter, although in a minority, are perfectly aware who we are. My colleagues in Houston and San Francisco have been following Salmond's visit. And they are not ex-pats, they are born and bred Americans.
38

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 09:23:24
Alex Salmond is an arrogant, insufferable politician who has a good conceit of himself!

However, nobody can deny that in the past 10 months he and his administration have done more to project Scotland's national profile than any number of ineffectual and lacklustre Unionist politicians, whose predictable tax and spend policies have been totally eclipsed by the Nationalists!
39

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 09:27:32
#33 Media 1

Thank goodness you are not our FM. Your comments about England are truly infantile. Time you grew up a bit. And by the way, you are "the Cringe" personified!
40

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 09:31:16
#35 Niko

"most Americans support their armed forces"

I can only assume that you don't know many Americans. You obviously get your views from watching Crossfire and Fox News.

Put simply, you are talking cr@p.
41

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 09:34:03
Modern Scots should know more about the American South and Slavery and know about its link to old Scottish settlers whose descendants in Dixie are dreaming of an independent Scotland that is akin to Jews looking to Israel and old Jerusalem. For many Scottish Americans living in the former confederate states Scotland stands for authenticity, racial "purity," and social order, for resistance to urbanization and central government. For them Scotland is a nation of romantic outlaws and do-it-yourself spirituality, a place where men are men, women are ladies, and nature is always photogenic. It's not a big stretch to see Scotland morphing into a metaphor for the Old South, the Never-Never Dixie of old times not forgotten, where slavery didn't rip the place apart but just dissipated into benign paternalism, where feminism is unheard of, Christianity is unchallenged, multiculturalism a bad dream. In Braveheart, Mel Gibson plays Sir William Wallace, the thirteenth-century "guardian" of Scotland, a selfmade guy who's nice to women, children, and animals, likes drinking, hates the English king, and is good at guerrilla warfare. Many people of Scottish decent in the American south were and still are members of the Ku Klux Klan. I am a Scottish America and am horrified but this connection and even more horrified by Salmonds infatuation with men like Trent Lott who fall into this category of racists. I am a great fan of modern Scotland I hate to see the influence of racists from the American South sully her name
42

John S,

05/04/2008 09:40:19
#47 - I could say that about Gordon,Wendy,Jack and Tony etc I prefer Alex to any of those I mentioned what about you ?
43

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 09:40:30
Beth, would it not be more productive "talking up" Scotland rather than attempting to equate it with the KKK and Braveheart. You may well be a great fan of Scotland but I struggle to see anything constructive in your comments. Try saying something positive for a change. Incidently, what evidence is their that Salmond has an infatuation with men like Trnt Lott.

I await something better from you but my expectations are low.
44

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 09:41:30
oops there
45

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/04/2008 09:43:03
#32

"SNP could learn much from the Irish success."

They have, that is why they pushing for full Independance not the half measures you are so fond of.
46

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 09:55:14
I believe in talking up Scotland very much. Sometimes my family gets tired of hearing about it! I am warning you all now however that Salmond should distance himself from people like Trent Lott. Trent Lott may have come up with the idea of Tartan day which ended up Tartan week but he is not someone to be admired. My Brother ran in the Scotland run, a race that is part of Tartan week in NYC and sent me the photo just today. He marches in the parade with his family almost every year. Some of our friends from Scotland have stayed with us during Tartan week. I am very proud to have Scottish blood and love Scotland almost as I love the country of my birth. I have spent allot of time in Scotland and I can tell you that it is far better than I ever could have imagined it to be. If independence for Scotland is best let it be so. My discomfort with Salmond does not make me a foe of Independence.
47

John S,

05/04/2008 09:59:32
#48 - I agree but no matter who is our FM we would still get the same comments from that same person and I couldn't understand what he was waffling on about.
48

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/04/2008 10:01:17
#50

You are a sad little case, are you trying to blame Scotland for slavery? The fact that America needed a civil war to finally outlaw slavery 60 years after it was outlawed in the British Empire and 94 years after it was ruled illegal in Scotland speaks to the utter ignorance of your arguments.
49

jdships,

05/04/2008 10:05:13
12 Abel Magwitch,
Just as Scot's have the same problems when visiting America !!
Get real and try it for yourself

13 Stepford Nat..,

"As regards the greatest - Alex,of course (I'm surprised you asked)"

You are having a "laff" - yes ?
April Fool's Day was on Tuesday 1st April

50

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 10:05:38
#55 Beth

Still the same old negativity.

There is a world of difference in shallow utterings such as "I love Scotland" and giving the reasons for those feeling.

You know Beth, I would love to hear the things that apparently bore your family. Right now you are a terrible ambassador for Scotland.
51

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 10:07:42
#58 Oh no not at all, you are so wrong KampungHighlander!!! What I am saying is the decendants of Slave owners here use Scotland to support their ugly mind set. I do not believe that at all. Many of the people with this mindset are Scotch-Irish or Ulster Scots by family history! Why I mentioned this is that Trent Lott Salmod's admirer is one of the sons of the American South with Scottish heritage than could damage Scotland image in the world. These are the people who twist religion into a political tool as well.
52

The Canadian,

05/04/2008 10:07:51
43
Surely it makes no difference whether Simon Cowell is Scottish or not and wears the Kilt. As the natives in Scotland are now it seems so Anglo-Saxon in attitude etc., and it will make not a hap worth of difference as long as they are rolling in the coins.

Whatever happened to the culture of Fionn and
Cu-chullainn and the Oran Mor and Puirte-beul and the Culture of our ancestors which stretches back for at least 1000 years.

Nothing of this it seems counts for anything in Scotland. Thankfully we have Cape Breton to keep Scottish Culture alive.
53

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 10:08:02
#57 Rules

When did this become a spelling competition? I trust that any typos you make from now on will make you truly mortified and will open you to criticism.
54

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 10:09:59
I am sorry you feel that way connaughtboy #6. Perhaps you should look at my videos on YouTube and seach under Gimmer3 and you will understand just where I am coming from.
55

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 10:14:20
#63 that should read above. Time for bed here I have been bottle feeding Scottish Blackface lambs all night and getting way too tired.
56

shivago8,

livingston 05/04/2008 10:14:27
Cowel is the most hated man in the universe and putting him in a kilt would destroy any hope in Scotland gaining indeprndence
57

McX,

05/04/2008 10:17:35
Ahem, Simon McWho?


YouGov poll was conducted from 2-4 April, sample 1,070

* Scottish Parliament constituency vote (change since 2007 in brackets)
SNP: 40% (+7)
Lab: 32% (-)
Con: 12% (-5)
Lib: 13% (-3)
Oth: 4%

* Scottish Parliament list vote (change since 2007 in brackets)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Lab: 30% (+1)
Con: 13% (-1)
Lib: 12% (+1)
Oth: 13%

* Holyrood seats projection:
SNP: 49 (+2)
Lab: 44 (-2)
Con: 15 (-2)
Lib: 15 (-1)
Oth: 6 (+3)

* Westminster General Election (change since 2005 in brackets)
SNP: 31% (+13)
Lab: 35% (-5)
Con: 17% (+1)
Lib: 12% (-11)
Oth: 4%

* Support for a referendum on Scottish independence:
Immediate referendum: 11%
Within the next year: 28%
In 2010: 26%
Should not be referendum: 21%
None of these: 4%
Don’t know: 11%

65% SUPPORT A REFERENDUM WITHIN THE LIFETIME OF THIS PARLIAMENT

* Support or oppose country becoming a country independent of the rest of
the UK
Support: 34%
Oppose: 50%
DK: 15%

[The Sunday Times/mruk CELLO poll interviewed 1,028 adults across Scotland
between 29 February and 9 March and put support for independence at 23% -
although two-third said they would be prepared to support it in certain
circumstances.]

* The SNP have been in power 11 months. Do achievements make you more or
less likely to vote for independence:
Much more likely: 17%
A little more: 15%
No difference: 35%
A little less: 8%
Much less: 19%
Don’t know: 7%
58

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 10:19:28
I think all of this Unionist angst derives from their frustration and sheer anger that Alex Salmond and his SNP Government is achieving so much for Scotland. Apart from Salmond et al being so much better than the previous Executive, the SNP have an advantage that the Unionist parties will never be able to counter. That advantage is the ability to make decisions in Holyrood without having to get permission from their masters in Westminster.

We have the strangest situation now where Scots in Westminster and Holyrood are actively planning to put economic pressure on their fellow Scots simply to put pressure on the SNP Government.

Wendy, Nicol and Annabel don't really care about "vulnerable two year olds". Wendy in particular only cares about regaining power, something she will never achieve. Meanwhile watch the soap opera and remember the deliberate damage she, Gordon Brown, Des Browne, Andy Kerr etc will inflict on Scotland for their own selfish ambitions.
59

McX,

05/04/2008 10:19:53
So that's 65% in favour of a referendum in the next three years,

Max McWho?
60

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 10:29:00
Oooo! Is that a gay Englishman in a skirt? I really must invest $350 million in Scotland...
61

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 10:30:05
What is the purpose of Tartan Week or Scotland Week? Is it to promote Scotland in the US or is it a celebration for Americans, proud of their Scottish ancestry? If it is the latter, then Salmond will have a problem if he wants to use the events as a brash public relations exercise. Scots Americans presumably still carry many of the traits of their forebears and of the Scots themselves, at least until fairly recently: modesty, an aversion to self-promotion, droll understatement. Hardly the best characteristics for some sort of St. Paddy's Day- like carnival. Besides, Scots Americans don't need to stress their importance in the development of the U.S. Like the original Americans of English decent,they're built into the Establishment there and no doubt remain quietly confident that they will retain their long-established positions of pre-eminence.
62

KampungHighlander,

Jakata 05/04/2008 10:31:41
#57

Union supporters can't even say the one thing they yearn for-dependence.
63

MtnKat,

05/04/2008 10:33:04
Beth
I'm afraid I have to jump into the fray on this too.
I spent a considerable amount of time in your "Deep South" and found no such attitudes. If I remember rightly, the majority of Scots were far too poor to be slave owners.

As regards the Trent Lott connection, I see no evidence from this article that Salmond has ever met, much less become infatuated with, the man.

It appears that he was contacted for a comment for no other reason that having been involved with Senate Resolution 155 in 1998 (Google is a wonderful thing!). While I agree that is unfortunate that of all of those who worked on that resolution he was the one chosen to comment, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.
64

pehman,

sussex 05/04/2008 10:36:18
Alex is in the US promoting Scottish quality, and it's the quality end of the market Scotland and Salmond are chasing, quantity does not come into it.
65

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 10:38:35
#64 Beth.

I am commenting purely on what you post on this thread Beth. I look forward to watching your videos.
66

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 10:41:06
I have been solicited by white supremacists at the Grandfather Mountain Highland Games in Georgia and know what I am talking about and I know individual heads of clan societies who have been alarmed when white supremacists have tried to get their mailing lists from their booths at Grandfather Mountain. -Nuff said MrnKat #57
67

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 10:41:44
Thanks Connaughtboy.
68

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 10:45:21
#75 Ruled

I very much doubt that you understand the difference between a Unionist and a Federalist.
69

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 10:48:18
#67. McX

Clever, but we Unionists did not get where were are today by caving in just because you say 65% of people back a referednum!
70

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05/04/2008 10:48:20
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71

Richardinho,

05/04/2008 10:49:38
Britain's 'greatest publicist' big idea for promoting Scotland is making someone wear a kilt.

oh dear.
72

The Canadian,

05/04/2008 10:51:14
Tartan Day did not start up in the USA it was thought of in Antigonish, Mainland Nova Scotia and its main purpose was and is to promote Scottish Culture and to remind North Americans of who they are and where they came from.
It is only recently that Lowlanders or Anglos were part of the picture as they had nothing but hatred for things Highland and Gaelic.

Are we now seeing all this being taken over by people who from Scotland who have no interest in what it is all about.

The people who helped create this whole event do so on a voluntary basis, yet are left out of the equation, while others wile their way in and take over. Maybe the same should be done with some of the Festivals and events in Scotland since their they have little or no Scottish content like the Edinburgh Festival and the New Year celebrations.

Could your Government not wile their way in there and do something Scottish at home.

I have just heard that their will be at least two 6 week total immersion Gaelic courses in Nova Scotia in Halifax and at Gaelic College Cape Breton starting in May and July this year.
73

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 10:51:37
67 McX and 80 Union is Best

Thanks for taking time out of your busy lives to spam us today with these irrelevant statistics.

The story is about whether a fag wearing a dress on American TV would have a significant impact on Scotland.

My conculsion is that Maxwell is a tool and whoever sent this story to print has either been paid to run or is also a tool.

I have never read so much shyte since McX last spammed me.
74

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 10:51:44
Beth having looked at a couple of your videos I have one thing to say....

Wonderful!! Especially Brave Caledonia.
75

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 10:55:25
#73 MtnKat

Scots-Americans formed a significant percentage of the early settlers in the southern States and made themselves very comfortable through slavery. Just like a high percentage of settlers in the British colonies in the Caribbean were Scots. Scotland was a dirt poor country until the Union and hadn't a pot to p**s in. Scots in the early days of the Union filled their boots with the economic benefits provided by it,whether it be individual Scots in the Carolinas or merchants in Glasgow, we made a mint through slavery. The attempts by SOME nationalists to portray us Scots somehow as poor victims of the Empire is pathetic. We were as, if not relatively more, enthusiastic in its expansion as the English, Welsh and Irish.
76

Jack English,

North Carolina, USA 05/04/2008 10:59:25
If you judge the Americans by such tripe as the American Idol idiocy, we are doomed forever! We are Scots, English and all the other nationalties of the world. Not all of us are shallow. I am the grandson of William Wallace, Robert the Bruce, yet Edward I too. I think this uneasy alliance between Scotland and England will never work. I liked it better when we were fighting each other!
77

Pat Scot,

Albernia 05/04/2008 11:01:26
So, let's adopt the irish model

1 Declare a republic, have a few scarps wait a few years
2 Negotiate a treaty, get a free state
3 Have a civil war
4 F@rt about for a bit
5 Be neutral during the "emergency" (WWII)
6 F@rt about for another 35-40 years, exporting our workforce in the meantime
7 Start getting loads of EU money for agriculture and infrastructure
8 Put affordable housing beyond the reach of ordinary folk

Now we could be selective about the steps we follow. The war ones wouldn't be nice. But we need to remember that Ireland was stagnating for most of the last half of the 20th century. The eventual washing through of EU money helped pave the way for the tiger. Scotland won't get anywhere near the same, as there are countries far more needy than ours.
78

McX,

05/04/2008 11:03:13
#84 Dear Mr. Neuman, I have never ever 'spammed' you, although I suspect you're not averse to lying under a glass topped coffee table, with your gaping maw all a-quiver whilst some poor Eastern European lass squats above, pondering if this is what she gave up a career with the Krakow Chamber Orchestra for.

Don't deny it you cheeky monkey.
79

Sgurr,

05/04/2008 11:03:57
As the old one goes, if Max Clifford knows so much about PR, how come most people think he is a complete spanner?

This paper is a load of ji'zz. Circulation figures and Johnson Press share price bear this out. RIP a paper long dead.
80

Neil,

Glasgow 05/04/2008 11:04:30
Max Cliford may be scum but he does know his job. No offence Max.
81

Sgurr,

05/04/2008 11:05:25
89McX LOL!! :D

Is this a common thing in brothel-land?! You sound like you know!
82

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 11:07:52
You don't have to be a fan of Max Clifford to at least recognise his abilities in the field of PR. Cowell in a Kilt is a brilliantly simple method of getting people in the US talking about Scotland Week and therefore Scotland.

The higher the profile of Scotland Week in America, the easier it is to get support from American politicians and Industrialists. Everyone wants to be associated with a winner. The next step would be Alex and Cowell together in kilts, again on a thousand US front pages not to mention UK pages too.

We may have the expertise in spreading the political message but it would do us no harm to listen to a world expert in PR like Max Clifford.
83

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 11:11:58
84. Alfred, nice one, but what have cigarrettes to do with this?
84

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 11:13:10
93 Brian Hill

You must be an idiot.

Max Clifford is Simon Cowell's agent. Simon cowell is a cock. No-one takes that joke of a man seriously, he is a fully grown man who spends his days bullying weak children.

Max Clifford's job is to get him photographed standing next to high ranking Scottish Official like porky so that he change Cowell's image from irrelevant knob and closet gay with no credibility in the adult world. To irrelevant knob with pretentions at being taken seriously by the establishment.

Max Clifford is good because of idiots like you that can be convinced to cheapen your politicians and country/heritage by letting teets like Cowell dilute it for personal gain.
85

Richardinho,

05/04/2008 11:15:03
Are kilts all we have to offer the world?
86

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 11:15:09
#95 Alfred

Can you just clarify, you don't have a lot of time for Simon Cowell?
87

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 05/04/2008 11:15:27
Time for the Scotsman's owners to step back and havea long hard look at what their paper is puting forward these days as news, to justify attacks on Alex Salmond.

Time for unionist supporters to do the same.

Thankfully though they won't
88

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 11:16:59
#95. Alfred, nice one, slowly but surely your charm is winning people over to the Unionist cause!
89

McX,

05/04/2008 11:18:03
Alfred E Neuman, when he's not hiding under glass topped coffee tables.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bksm2UT-zuc&feature=related
90

monkey man,

05/04/2008 11:20:03
Salmond is now getting notorious for his choice of collating very dodgy political allies like the religious homophobic bigots of the RC Church in Scotland and now this Lott character in the USA.

Has Donald Trump's poodle commented yet on the crazy-haired Yank's latest boasts in the media regarding his proposed golf course development in Scotland.?
91

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 11:22:22
101. Great point, but could you hold off on accusations of homophobia until Alfred E Neuman is finsihed here!One at a time! We unionists need coordination! (and if some Nat mentions Blair, RC, the Pope or such, just move on!)
92

McX,

05/04/2008 11:23:45
"Has Donald Trump's poodle commented yet on the crazy-haired Yank's latest boasts in the media regarding his proposed golf course development in Scotland.?"

Nope, but he's got to appear before a Parliamentary committee in a couple of weeks to be grilled about his appointment as High Commissioner to Malawi.

93

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 11:26:40
103. Nice try McX, but people will not be fooled by McConnells lauding of Trump, his offers to put Scottish Exec staff at Trumps disposal and all those helicopter tours for Trump McConnell organised - clearly Salmond was behind all that.
94

Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 11:28:36
A source close to the First Minister said the SNP was delighted to receive Mr Lott's backing. UGH!
95

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 11:32:16
105. Beth, great point! Trent Lott is an undesirable type. Just as well Brown and Balir never hang about with Bush, so we can use this Trent Lott thing to bash the SNP freely!
96

Queen D,

Glasgow 05/04/2008 11:35:08
You do generalise rather a lot , Beth.
I have a friend who goes to every highland games in the States, a well known and apparently well loved Scotsman who sings for his supper.
I must ask him if he has been targetted by white supremecists ,I'll be most interested to hear what he says.
I'd also be interested to know just what and whom our FM should meet .
Like every politician or VIP , I expect they have to hold a discourse with many folk they dislike , not out of choice but because it is part of the job.
As has been demonstrated in your own country with regard to the election , with the charismatic Mr Obama.
I noted that political mischief was made out of his association with a particular minister, whom he had known for many years.
To his credit , Mr Obama handled the manufactured furore extremely well.
97

McX,

05/04/2008 11:37:11
I note that Alfred E. Neuman has yet to deny being the recipient of a brown love token.

His silence speaks volumes...in this case about a two-pounder.
98

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 11:39:52
108. Nice try, but generalisation is a Unionist's ally! Quite clearly by being introduced to Trent Lott, or by dint of Trent Lott speaking on a referendum, it follows that Alex Salmond endorses every position of Mr Lott's om every issue!

This does not apply to Unionist politicians of course, as they are not susceptible to the vicissitudes of such generalisation the way Salmond is, so any cunning Nat already pondering Blair's meetings with Qaddafi, or Brown meeting with Bush, can just forget it!
99

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/04/2008 11:43:50
#75 We are already in a Federal system, it is called the EU. I can think, you can't.

#86 Many of the Scots who arrived in America came in Bonded servitude. Essentially slaves themselves till their debts were payed off.

#88 The rise of Ireland has more to do with enlightened fiscal policy than EU handouts.
100

Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/04/2008 11:46:10
Stark staring bonkers
101

Johnnyf,

Dundee 05/04/2008 11:46:36
Sorry, didn't know it was Scotland week.
I'm not surprised in Max Clifford's comments, you know put an amateur in charge etc. and you know what to expect. I'm glad that Sir Sean isn't involved either, don't see him as a great ambassador for Scotland, can't act and more importantly doesn't live here and consequently pay taxes.
Scotland has produced some of the greatest minds in a spectrum of disciplines but unfortunately some comments in this arguments has let us down by showing really how small minded we can be.
A great number of Americans love Scotland, although they can't pronounce names like Farquhar or Ecclefechen, neither can a lot of television presenters and more importantly, if you were to put these words in front of a worryingly high percentage of Scottish school pupils, neither would they be able to pronounce them.
In these days of global communication there's billions of dollars we could "rip off them yanks" given a higher profile.
As a racing tipster, I wonder if Salmond will tip the winner any better than he knows where his next policy is coming from having spent years saying what he would do and very unexpectedly finding himself in charge through a giant "balls up" of an election where a little less than the equivalent of the population of Dundee were disenfrachised by spoilt ballot papers.
102

Sugar Magnolia,

Asheville, NC 05/04/2008 11:49:44
77 Beth
What are you on?
I have been at Grandfather Mountain every year since 1979. You are spouting complete and utter hogwash.

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Benedict Arnold,

Paris 05/04/2008 11:51:46
The sad truth is that no matter what you do to promote Scotland in America you will find, surprise surprise, that the great American public is very little aware of anything beyond its borders except where important American interests are at stake.

In so far as it is aware of other countries it tends to entertain quite bizarre notions about them. During Scotland Week Mr Salmond has apparently been trying to dispel some notions of that type by endeavouring to introduce America to the country that actually exists, as Americans seem already to be familiar with Scotland the theme park.

This is bound to be an uphill task, as the United States is a land bulging with special interest groups with pockets bulging with dollars. Although dressing some television celebrity up in a kilt might conceivably have attracted attention, would that kind of attention have been of assistance to the First Minister in his task or undermined his efforts?
104

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 11:53:18
Why would anyone listen to anything Max Clifford says?
105

McX,

05/04/2008 11:58:15
#113 Johnny, are you anywhere near
Tanadeechy?
106

Sharona,

Texas 05/04/2008 12:38:18
Beth,

I live in Texas and I have attended the Grandfather Mountain Highland Games several times. You would think that if a white supremecist was going to target anyone, it would be another Southerner. However, of all the years I have attended these games, this has never happened. It is wrong to generalize anyone whether they are a Southerner or an American Idol watcher.
107

GrannieM,

US 05/04/2008 12:51:49
# 50 Beth
Since you live in NY, how would you know anything about life in the South? How dare you sully the name of Southerners as you have. I am a transplanted northener who has lived in the south 35 years. I find none of the idiotic claims you make.
I have also attended Stone Mountain, no KKK in sight. After 35 years, I have never heard of KKK activity or if they still exist.
I think you owe lots of people apology.
108

freethekillie2,

scotland 05/04/2008 12:54:21
Anyone that values their Freedom should sign this below petition please.
will the SNP promise this!

Should Disclosure in all criminal cases be equal and fairly handed to all accused in Scotland ?

Is it a breach of Human rights not to do so ?

Can Crown Office be allowed to maintain their stance of deciding what to release and who gets these documents ?

Please find enclosed petition to sign if you agree that every accused in Scotland is entitled to the same "Equality Of Arms"

Petition can be found here:

http://gopetition.com/petition.....dants.html

See who has signed it here:

http://gopetition.com/petition.....tures.html





109

subrosa,

05/04/2008 13:08:56
# 55

Beth, don't you think it was only common courtesy for Alex Salmond to meet the person responsible for Tartan Day's existence? You're making it sound as if they're lifetime pals. Quite silly.

Part of a politician's job is to talk to people from all walks of life and not just the 'in' crowd.
110

subrosa,

05/04/2008 13:12:10
# 83

Some good comments there. The tattoo does have a little Scottish content but nowadays it could be put on anywhere in the world. The only thing that makes it different is the backdrop - and that's certainly different.

As for Hogmanay in Edinburgh. Nothing would lure me back to that expensive, overcrowded rammy. Some party. Took me 3 hours to get in and then I couldn't get out. Never again.
111

Geomac 1,

Kinross 05/04/2008 13:17:44
Lott should mind his own business
112

AbandonAllHope,

05/04/2008 13:31:01
What a patronising little sh*t, stick to what you know best Max - London and England.
113

KampungHighlander,

Jakata 05/04/2008 13:58:52
#124

If you like up Federation in the you will see it defined as "a federated body formed by a number of nations, states, societies, unions, etc., each retaining control of its own internal affairs."

That sounds to me a lot like the EU.

Maybe you have a special definition known only to you federalists? Please share it with us.
114

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 14:09:14
126 Auchtung Heelindar

The EU is a "Confederation of states" according to the SNP manifesto on Europe.

You'll also find your definition of federation resembles confederation not federation.

A fedaration retains on "partial-control" not complete control as you imply with your "research".

Oh why I am bothering, you vote SNP, you are pretty thick, unable to even find the meaning of words with a dictionary, an internet connection and 30 mins.

It never ceases to amaze me how thick the nats on here are.
115

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 14:14:30
127. Great work! The more we unionists call 40% of the population thick, the sooner we will wear them down and bring them back to heel!
116

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 14:14:41
127
Alfred E. Neuman

"A fedaration retains etc"

"...unable to even find the meaning of words with a dictionary"

...yet you yourself with your special dictionary spell it "fedaration".

Pot - kettle - black.
117

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 14:17:30
129 Sally

I spelt it correctly the first time. I don't have time to read my posts so just type them blind.

Just a typo, try not and pedant me you idiot. You do yourself no favours, you just look like your a scrabbling around in the dirt clutching at straws.
118

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 14:22:35
130. "Scrabbling in the dirt clutching at straws!"
Genius, mixing metaphors will flummox the Nats and distract from your black-eye in getting the definition of federation wrong.

Tell her she is changing leopards mid-stream while cluthcing at dirty straws! That will flummox her!
119

Media 1,

cape town 05/04/2008 14:26:12
One day Salmond will wake up and hopefully LOVE Scotland instead of to pretending to love Scotland on the back of his anti English nonsense.
I have never cringed so much in my life listening to a man speak, it is nauseating listening to Salmond, not to mention embarassing.
120

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 14:27:50
Alfred

"Just a typo, try not and pedant me you idiot."

Charmed I'm sure Alfie. I simply pointed out the fact that YOU took someone to task mentioning dictionary in the first place. Therefore it was you who was the pedant.

You also typed "you just look like your a scrabbling etc".

To continue the pedantry, it should be you're. This on your part was not a typo - it was a grammatical error.

2 out of 10.

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Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 14:28:49
131 Union is Best

A mixed metaphor? You are a confused nat, let me explain...

Straw can exist in dirt, so it is not mixed.

If someone is lost and they want to get up (eg they are scrabbling around in the dirt) they will snatch at anything to get up, even if it is only a straw (ie will not support their weight.

Can you explain to me why this is mixed? Try not and pedant people you tool, you just highlight how argumentative and daft you are.

Like a white cloud in a sea of dirt. That is mixed as clouds do not exist in dirt.

Knock the top dog off his perch. Dogs do not have perchs.

Etc...

*Sighs at the never ending see of stupidity and ignorance from nats on here*
122

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 14:29:40
132

"I have never cringed so much in my life listening to a man speak, it is nauseating listening to Salmond, not to mention embarassing (sic)."

Don't listen then. Switch off and go out and enjoy the sunshine.


123

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 14:31:22
133 Sally Kent

I didn't bring up dictionaries, I brought up meaning of operative political words.

What are you on about? Reading skills are poor.
124

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 14:31:36
Alfie

"Knock the top dog off his perch. Dogs do not have perchs."

Perches please.

"Sighs at the never ending see of stupidity and ignorance from nats on here"

It's a sea of stupidity. Another typo?
125

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 14:33:57
What's it all about Alfie?

"I didn't bring up dictionaries, I brought up meaning of operative political words"

You did Alf. At 127 you typed "unable to even find the meaning of words with a dictionary"

You are maybe getting confused.
126

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 14:34:46
137 Sally

That's right. I am not submitting polished pieces to the editor or my publisher, so they will be littered with spelling errors from now until forever.

You really do just look a tool for pedanting people by the way.
127

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 14:37:38
138 Sally

That's right sally I brought up meaning of words not dictionary. Sentences have clauses, and operative words. Dictionary is neither in this interesting case you are fascinated with, ask a grown up in remedial classes, they'll fill you in.
128

Pat Scot,

05/04/2008 14:40:49
111 Kampung

"#88 The rise of Ireland has more to do with enlightened fiscal policy than EU handouts."
Not really - neither would have resolved it alone. The fiscal policy, which only materialised in the 80s, was building on major major EU funding.

Up until about the mid 80s, the main political parties were each wasting energy, trying be appear more nationalistic than the other(sound familiar?), rather than realising that the economy was the real issue.

Unfortunately, I can't see enough talent in any party in the Scottish Parliament to trust them with independence. Maybe in 5-10 years, when it attracts more talent, it might be worth considering, but no given the current pool.
129

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 14:42:12
139. Alfred - genius! Use "pedanting" and "pedant" as a verb, while slagging off the stupidity of the Nats and referring others to dictionaries! This deliberate act of oafishness, juxtaposing stupidity with accusations of same, will flummox the Nats! Great pedanting!
130

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 14:46:45
132. Media 1- great post. Loved the Salmond/anti-English riff! If any pesky Nat asks you for an example of Salmond being anti-English or points out the SNP has many English members and MSPs, just ignore it and move on. As ALfred would say (he is red hot today), don't allow the Nats to pedant you, with their constant pedantering!
131

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Union is Best,

05/04/2008 14:55:02
144,145 - Like it! You are using the Alfred Neuman tactic of appearing bonkers to flummox the Nats! You pedant it to them!
134

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/04/2008 14:58:13
Alfred E Neuman

"Blah Blah Blah white cloud in a sea of dirt Blah Blah Blah dog off his perch Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah dictionary Blah Blah pedantic Blah Blah remedial Blah Blah."



135

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 15:03:34
147 Kampung

Blah blah blah, fair one, blah blah blah, in my defence, blah blah blah, Union is best needed telling, blah blah blah, doing my bit for care in the community, blah blah blah, he is such a tool, blah blah blah.
136

Hamish Scott,

05/04/2008 15:16:00
Union is Best - you're a star!
Don't worry about Alfred - he gets his knickers in a twist all by himself.
137

Stepford Nat..,

05/04/2008 15:19:28
Union

I think you're one of us, really.

www.snp.org (go on..;-))
138

Stepford Nat..,

05/04/2008 15:19:29
Union

I think you're one of us, really.

www.snp.org (go on..;-))
139

Queen D,

Glasgow 05/04/2008 15:23:35
Stepford, well done!!Took you a bit of time right enough!

Union is Best, I thank you for the back handed, gentle compliment.

I also thank the others in the USA for stepping in to the discussion !
Do you know my pal Alex , who sings for his supper and goes to every Highland Games in Canada and the States?
Have you ever gone on one of his Scottish tours?
If so we may have met!
140

Hamish Scott,

05/04/2008 15:24:52
http://www.nofear.org/Archives/2003/07/alfred_e_neuman.html
141

Hamish Scott,

05/04/2008 15:28:59
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7330955.stm
142

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 15:36:11
Couldn't resist, I have put down £2 each way on "Idle Talk" for the Nationaly.

I suggest you Nat fascists go for "Comply or Die" with your fervent rantings.
143

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 15:54:24
155. Alfred - nice one! We all know the Nats got a £5000 tax bill for voting SNP which those of us smart enough to vote Unionist didn't get, so you know they've got money to bet with! Like it, rub salt in their wounds!

156 - Rubbish. There is alot of talent at Westminster! Michael Martin springs to mind immediately!
144

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 15:56:02
155. Alred - "Nat fascists!" Love it! The irony of us unionists supporting detention without trial, ID cards and war making while calling the Nats fascists will flummox them! You are dynamite today!
145

Pat Scot,

Albernia 05/04/2008 15:58:45
156 John Bullsh

A fair question. There is clearly more experience there, and all of the main parties have some folk who make their scottish equivalents look like a bunch of parish councillors.

Like it or not, Brown or Darling would overshadow their comrades if they moved to Holyrood. Salmond has already done so within his party. Lib dems have a few good performers in Westminster who would raise their colleagues' game. And ok, I'm struggling to make a purely scottish tory parallel.

So, we may be in the frying pan, but until I see some talent in Holyrood, I don't see the point in jumping into the fire, and paying for the pleasure.
146

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/04/2008 16:01:36
#156
I wouldn't trust them to clean my toilet.

You would probably get billed for their, groceries, taxi and mortgages on their second home.
147

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 16:03:23
159. Goerge Foulkes is man of incredible talent, an intellectual giant, with tremendous charisma! He would not be "Over-shadowed" I feel! Nor would Wendy Alexander, who is unsurpassed in tactics and strategy - look at how she is lulling Salmond into a false sense of security by adopting a the disguise of a sleze ridden, law breaking incompetent who can't ask a parliamentray question coherently! Salmond won't know what hit him when she pounces!
148

Pat Scot,

05/04/2008 16:04:39
160

Yes, and they're no better at holyrood.
149

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 16:23:14
155 Me

Don't say I'm not kind to you nat fascists. I hope you listened to the sense of unioninism and bet on the winner as predicted here.
150

The Canadian,

05/04/2008 16:46:32
I thought this article was about promoting Scottish culture in North America and the contribution and the benifits that could be derived from such events as Tartan Week both for people of Scottish descent here and in Scotland.

Sadly it seems culture and especially Scottish Highland culture goes out the window when the Scots themselves get involved.

Most people of lowland Scottish descent assimilated into English society once they settled into North America as this was the ruling sector of society.

One thing that seems to remain in Scotland is the
Mi-run mor nan Gall which until recently could also be found in places where Lowlanders and Highland Scots met here.
Please tell me if that has indeed changed or not, for it certainly seems to emerge frequently on sites such as this one when issues related to the Gaelic language appear.
151

Tobytoo,

Southington, U.S.A. 05/04/2008 16:57:11
#119 I do agree with you that Beth makes some idiotic claims at times but as the saying goes to each his own.

I think that the K.K.K. is still around at least as of couple of years ago,there was a small group of them in my area for some cause or other but they were well protected by police in their march down Main Street and then they were gone.
152

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 16:57:56
163. Alfred

the Nats have stopped listening to our predictions since we said the housing market would collapse if the SNP won. What we need is a more sensational scare to get their attention! Any thoughts, you are dynamite today!
153

Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 05/04/2008 17:03:43
THANKS ALFRED (ershole) NEUMAN... JUST WON 50 SMACKEROOS. LONG LIVE THE NATS yaaahooooo .
154

Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 17:32:26
140
Alfred E. Neuman,

138 Sally

"Sentences have clauses, and operative words."

There are more to sentences than that Alf.

"Ask a grown up in remedial classes, they'll fill you in."

No Alf. You are letting yourself down here. "Ask a grown up (singular) and they'll (plural) fill you in."

Tut tut tut.
155

Union is Best,

05/04/2008 17:37:49
#168. Typical Nat pedantering, Methalions! Leave Alfred alone, he is dynamite today!
156

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 17:42:19
168 Sally

Oh dear you are an idiot, aren't you.

There is a generic usage problem in the singular in that sentence. I do not know if the adult (singular) is male or female, so I cannot use he/she. The usage is correct.

As has been noted. You are a tool and a pedant, if you were correct you would just look like a tool, but an ignorant pedant is just pathetic.

Everyone knows school teachers are thick. Except them!
157

Simino,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 17:44:02
The article should perhaps also point out the Clifford is indeed Cowell's publicist. Ofcourse he is going to be blowing smoke up Cowell's ar5e.
158

Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 17:44:11
"Every ONE has rights under the law, but THEY don't always use them."

Good god. Does it make you angry when you realise how thick you are?

Union is Best

You dissapeared without telling me why the metaphor was mixed? Given up and trying new pedantic angles to f*ck up?

Good grief, heavens above. Nats are the proverbial short planks.
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Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 17:52:11
170 Johnny B. Wonderful

"I do not know if the adult (singular) is male or female, so I cannot use he/she. The usage is correct."

Well done Alf. You are indeed 100% correct, but you knew that - as did I. Go to the top of the class. I did enjoy wasting you time though. Have a nice one.

;-)

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Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 17:55:17
Alfie B Excellent.

Some linguistics experts say that "he" subsumes "she".

I don't much care for this. I prefer the plural "they" after gender confusion (no cheap shots now).

I think you are a man after my own heart.

Up the Union.



















































Right up it.
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googolman,

peterborough 05/04/2008 18:00:36
How can anyone who assumes the alias of Mad Magazine's alter ego possibly expect to hold a sensible position on any argument. Long live nationalisation. If Luxembourg, Leichtenstein, Monaco, San Marino and Andorra can go it alone as independent countries, then so can Scotland, which has an awful lot more going for it than those places.
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McX,

05/04/2008 18:16:50
Alas and alack, after a pleasant interlude away from the boards, I return to see Alfred E. Fistania has been laying cables all over the camels back.
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Wee Beardie,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 19:53:20
170 & 173

"There is a generic usage problem in the singular in that sentence. I do not know if the adult (singular) is male or female, so I cannot use he/she. The usage is correct."

If we are going to be pedantic, let's have the more correct "whether" here, not "if".
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Wee Beardie,

Edinburgh 05/04/2008 19:56:41
Correct that!

"Correct" is an absolute, and therefore cannot be "more" or "less".

That'll teach me not to post pre-preview.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 20:21:23
179 Wee numpty

"That'll teach me not to post pre-preview."

Do you mean, "That has taught me..." Certainly would seem to hold a more perfect tense.

Secondly "post pre-preview", that is simply confusing. Definately a job for a thesaurus as "post" can also mean after and "pre" means before. Also "pre" is already in the word "preview" so why use it at all?

Perhaps you should have wrote?

"That has taught me the value of previewing messages."

You are a total tool sir.
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05/04/2008 20:32:34
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Methalions_,

05/04/2008 20:35:30
YEAH BABY IM THE TRANNY YEAH IM GOOD OLD METHS BABY

LETS CRANK IT ON 11 FOT THE SNP SNP SNP SNP


The Maltese Falcon,
Malta 05/09/2007 21:25:50
Hi Methalions. Unfortunately, I am now not Malaga bound in October. I have just returned to Malta from Ireland where I saw my son who I originally planned to visit whilst he was in Spain. I am now going to use that time visiting another son in England. Also hoping to visit Germany and Switzerland in the next couple of months.

OH YEAH BABY LOOK THATS ME THE TRANNY BABY ON 11 = GOOD
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 21:06:09
#106 Ruled

Why is it up to me to explain the difference? You brought the subject up!
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Sally Kent,

05/04/2008 21:43:01
180
Alfred E. Neuman,

"Definately a job for a thesaurus"

This of course should be "definitely." Very poor.

"Perhaps you should have wrote?"

This should be "Perhaps you should have written." Disgraceful sir!

You are obviously a product of New Labour's "Education, education, education."

I now bid you a very good evening.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 21:59:30
#168 Sally

Stop it. You are getting cruel. Once a guy is down you really should stop kicking him. I'm nearly starting to feel sorry for him. I hate to see a mis-match of these proportions.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 22:02:49
#172 Alfie

Boy are you making yourself look like a useless tool today.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 22:04:36
184 Sally

You really are double plus thick.

Written denotes a habitual action.

Wrote denotes a one-off, like a f*ck-up.

Perhaps you shouldn't have written to me today to try and pedant me.

And perhaps Wee Beardie shouldn't have wrote to me either.

I trust this clarifies things once more. You really are a tool.

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 22:13:58
#187 Alf

Priceless!
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 22:14:09
My Fellow Americans and Canadians. Did you know that there is a very active white supremacy group in the USA the believes the Scots are the lost tribe of Israel. Did you know that the evangelical Pat Robertson wh (of Scottish decent) is one and he almost bought a big share in a major Scottish Bank a few years back? Look up the Christian Identity movement if you think I am wacko my fellow Scottish Americans! We have American that are like the Afrikaners in South Africa that come from old Dutch Stock. The Netherlands is pretty forward thinking but the Afrikaners in South Africa are very different animals. Just because someone has Scottish ancestors does not mean they are wonderful. Racism is alive and well and living right under our noses. I was first approached at the age of 17 by someone who believed that Scotland was one of the lost tribes of Israel. I got a big laugh out of it but I am not laughing now. Do some digging you will find allot of very weird stuff on the Web.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 22:17:23
Alf

Please stop. This is agony. Agony I tell you!
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 22:18:32
"A controversial period in the Bank of Scotland's history was the attempt to enter the United States retail banking market via a joint venture with evangelist Pat Robertson. The move was met with criticism from civil rights groups in the UK due to Robertson's controversial views on homosexuality. The Bank was forced to cancel the deal when Robertson described Scotland as a "dark land overrun by homosexuals."
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 22:21:28
http://www.rickross.com/reference/christian_identity/christianidentity19.html
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Alfred E. Neuman,

05/04/2008 22:26:28
190 Connaughtboy

Agreed. I don't normally engage with these teets for exactly the reasons you listed.

I have never seen such a squalid, pedantic and ill-informed bunch of peni (you do plural it like cactus-->cacti, right?!) with hopeless average minds in all my years.
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Biker,

Ayr 05/04/2008 22:26:53
#33 Well said media 1. With you all the way on that.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 22:31:19
I hope the Scotman's reporters start sniffing around to see what's under Salmond's bed! I hope not Trent Lott and his evangelical wacos. His credibility is gone for me.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 22:36:17
In 1980 Salmond joined the Royal Bank of Scotland, for which he worked until 1987, first as an assistant economist, then as the Oil Economist and latterly as Royal Bank Economist. While with the Royal Bank, he wrote and broadcast extensively for both domestic and international outlets. He also contributed regularly to oil and energy conferences. In 1983 he devised the “Royal Bank / BBC Oil Index”, which continues monthly publication to this day. Hmmmmmm the smell of oil always leads back to Texas.
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Ronda,

New York State 05/04/2008 22:38:45
Simon who? Trust me, this guy is not a household name. Although, from a woman's perspective, there's nothing like a guy in a kilt, Scotland's best publicity is its whisky. I had two people mention it to me today and they both live in a town so small it doesn't have a post office. But they do drink their whisky.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 22:41:49
#193 Alf

A serious case of education bypass I fear.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/04/2008 22:43:41
Beth, give it a rest would you. Why not give us your views on Wendy Alexander?
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 22:49:28
connaughtboy, I don't know much about Wendy But I can go digging if you like? She seems like a rather bland sort. I am no fan of any politicians. I am a modern Muck Raker looking for the money trail and the trails the banks and oil boys leave. I try to have a little humor and stir the pot a bit but you just watch and remember what I have brought to the top of the boiling pot.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/feb1999/scot-f03.shtml
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Ernie,

Olivos, Argentina 05/04/2008 22:52:30
Simon Cowell is English. I would have taken his wearing a kilt as an insult.
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The Canadian,

05/04/2008 23:02:21
Beth, what you say is well known by lots of people in the Scottish/Scotch community in Canada especially with regard to the Bank situation; but that is now over and done with.

Many in Canada talk about the Scotch community in the same way as they would say the Welsh community and is not related to the drink in any way.

People who have Scotch ancestry in North America see An Seann Dutchaidh in very different ways for various reasons to those born in Scotland.

I understand Scotland is the most violent country in the Developed World and some travel agencies have stopped taking bookings to the Glasgow City area.
Most of my ancestors come from other parts of Scotland.
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The Canadian,

05/04/2008 23:05:58
201
Are you saying, it is an insult to you anyone who speaks English to wear the Kilt or what.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 05/04/2008 23:09:29
Nothing is over and done with #202. Everything in this next year will be about Banks and Oil. It's all connected and the trail goes back to the early 80s. I suggest you keep some cash under your mattress. Hang onto you hats kiddies the roller coaster is about to cut loose for real.
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Carrie D,

Halifax NS 05/04/2008 23:54:07
Re the comment about the First Minister meeting the person responsible for Tartan Day.... He would have to come to Nova Scotia CANADA to do so. Tartan Day is the brainchild of the Federation of Scottish Clans of Nova Scotia and its primary champion is a feisty Scot from Pictou County, NS by the name of Jean Watson. We've been celebrating it here for the past 22 years. New York and the US in general are newcomers to the party.
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indune1,

Canada 05/04/2008 23:56:38

FFS 201! You are an embarassment.

Scottish vice Scotch. You drink whisky or Scotch - or in your case you might as well be a bottle - an empty one.

GTF!

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indune1,

Canada 05/04/2008 23:58:41


Carrie D - good on you girl! Nova Scotia - God's country!

Ok, for you atheists and agnostics - that was just a turn of phrase!
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indune1,

06/04/2008 00:00:04
Beth - there's a banker under your bed.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 00:04:17
LOL good one, indune. Actually usually there is a Corgi unter there and allot of old socks.
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indune1,

06/04/2008 00:06:43


Just make sure there is a withdrawal with no deposit!! However, there may be interest!
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Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 00:08:51
The number of socks grows my Corgi is my banker.
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indune1,

06/04/2008 00:10:38


LOL! At least dogs are loyal and trusting!

BTW - try nylons or just nothing.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 00:12:43
#202 the canadian

Your comments about Glasgow are very ill-informed
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Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 00:13:28
She sometimes make unothorized withdrawls. It's like money laundering. She usually puts the socks back latter.
200

Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 00:14:22
Me Grandfather was born in Glasgow how can anyone speak ill of her?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 00:15:08
If you don't believe me look and learn:

http://www.glasgowwestend.co.uk/out/glasgowtopcity.php
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indune1,

Canada 06/04/2008 00:16:23
215 - your Grandad was a tranny?
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indune1,

06/04/2008 00:18:14

Just realised that posting 206 was meant for 202. Deepest apologies to 201.
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indune1,

Canada 06/04/2008 00:21:30

Connaughtboy - please don't judge Canada by the postings of that f**king eejit, bampot calling him/herself "The Canadian".

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Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 00:23:33
#216, You know what is cool is Glasgow is considered one of the best cities in all of Europe. She is not the smokey old ship building city she was. I am sad I never made it to Kelvingrove musuem when I was over last August but is high on my list of top destinations.
I will do that next time. I now fly into Glasgow not Heathrow. I have had enough of Heathrow for a lifetime.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 08:25:52
Clifford is better at publicising himself than any cause. Simon Cowell is English so getting him to wear a kilt would hardly emphasise Scotland or Scotland's interests!

The SNP Government have done a good job this week, much better than the previous lot and the renaming to Scotland week makes logical sense.

Tartan week sounds like "shortbread week" to me. Half the cost with more emphasis on business sounds a lot more useful to me than having eejits poncing around in a kilt.

Sean Connery is a genuine star, Cowell may be flavour of the month but he is an entertainer of a low level. His shows are quite frankly witless garbage and he has perfected a "nasty Englishman" persona which is not particularly positive or attractive. Getting your jollies by attacking greeting wee bairns for their karaoke skills is hardly a worthwhile occupation even if it coins in the cash.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 08:58:08
Tartan Week should be seen as just what it is. It's a fun celebration of all things Scottish. It's a sort of cross between Mardi Gras and Saint Patrick's Day. It falls at a time when there isn't allot going on and makes for a great distration. Why is everyone taking this so seriously? Just enjoy it it makes people want to go to Scotland and gives Americans with Scottish ancestors something to stand up and cheer about.
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Sally Kent,

06/04/2008 10:01:35
187
Alfred E. Neuman,

"184 Sally

You really are double plus thick.

Written denotes a habitual action.

Wrote denotes a one-off, like a f*ck-up."

I really didn't think you'd be back to show your ignorance.

It's either "I have written" or "I wrote". You decided on "I have wrote".

It is NEVER "I have wrote."

You are thickness personified.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 15:49:45
#219 indune 1 - Don't worry I completely understand the normal views of Canadians having been there many times. It just baffles me that someone actually believes that drivel enough to post it on here.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 15:54:09
#220 Beth - Just so. Glasgow is a superb city. The Kelvingrove museum (or simply the "Art Galleries" as we Glaswegians call it) is even more spectacular since its comprehensive face-lift. Even before that, it was always a favourite for me as a child and then my children as they grew up. At the ages of 24, 21 and 17 they still visit every time we are back in Glasgow.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 15:57:39
Oh by the way Beth, make sure you visit the Botanic Gardens and see the Kibble Palace and the hot-houses. The Kibble underwent a serious refurbishment a couple of years ago and is back to its very best now. I was borm 100m from there and as kids we spend many happy days in the Botanics.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 15:58:04
spent
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 15:58:53
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/Parks_Outdoors/Parks_gardens/botanicgardens.htm
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Beth Boyle,

NY 06/04/2008 17:03:24
connaughtboy there is lots of interest there in Glasgow. I would like to go see Pollock House and some other places. My Maiden name is Maxwell. Lots of good Maxwell History in Glasgow. I may have to wait a year or so to save up as the dollar is really down as you know. I wish I could come over every single year. The climate really suits me too. I like your cool summer you can hike around without over heating.
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 06/04/2008 23:55:17
Who is Max Clifford?
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Tarheel Scot,

07/04/2008 03:36:18
77 "I have been solicited by white supremacists at the Grandfather Mountain Highland Games in Georgia and know what I am talking about."

Beth, you seem to have a superficial understanding of the South, be it old or new (especially its geography). Sure, there are a few pathetically sad souls running around down here with hate in their hearts, but that is the case about everywhere. You can't blame the slave trade on anyone particular group (keep in mind who was selling the slaves to the traders -- and many Scots came here as virtual slaves) and it just happens to be one part of our legacy.

Speaking of Tartan Week, and from which I have just returned (and I do agree with you assessment at post 222), at the after parade party at Stout NYC I had an interesting conversation with a kilted young gentleman of African-American heritage. As a great-great grand son of a Southern slave-owner I pretty much understood the connection. In theory, he could have been a distant cousin. As my uncle, who continued to employ descendants of former family slaves into the mid-fifties, was told by some of these descendents many years later, "that was the way it was." It had happened but they had moved on. It seems that the young black man in a kilt has moved on and I suggest that we all do the same.

We might have carried on our visit but about that time the "Red Hot Chili Pipers" took the stage and puer pandemonium ensued. The "Pipers" really rocked New York! Other groups from the "motherland" that helped us celebrate our unique heritage included "MacTalla Mor" the "Pentland Caledonia Pipes & Drums" and, of course, the "Tartan Army!" I sure hated to come home but -- that is what "next year" is for!

PS Neither Grandfather Mountain nor the games by that name are in Georgia...
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Jings Crivens,

Paisley 07/04/2008 08:37:18
Max Clifford is right; if they had got Cowell in a Kilt it would have been a global story and really raised the profile of Scotland. However, as that would have required an Englishman to help sell Scotland, Salmond & co probably couldn’t do it. They much prefer to use a Scotman who hasn’t lived in the country for 25 years and even he couldn’t be bother attending

Salmond approach appears to be aimed at a limited audience by being in the business papers but the majority of Americans (like the British) don’t read them. The next question is where these interviews were placed in the business papers (front page or near the back with foreign items). If Salmond wasn’t to make Scotland day the new St Patrick’s Day then he really has to raise his game
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The Canadian,

07/04/2008 11:51:21
The information about Scotland being the most violent place in the developed world came from the Lesley Riddoch Programme, on BBC Radio Scotland last Friday and from the programme made by Pauline Macneil from Nova Scotia, who works with CBC in Toronto.

Check it out for yourself.
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tyson,

Severna Park 07/04/2008 20:10:28
How come commenting on the article about the terrorism trial is not possible? Is "management" frightened about some aspect of the case?

 

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