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Hire ex-soldiers as teachers, says union



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Published Date: 30 April 2008
RETIRED soldiers should be recruited as teachers to improve discipline in Scotland's schools, according to a teaching union official.
An American scheme has inspired the idea proposed by the NASUWT to tackle the "war zone characteristics" of some classrooms and turn "troops into teachers".

Roy Robertson, secretary of the union's Clackmannanshire branch, who served in the Territo
rial Army for more than 20 years, said he had seen violence in the playground escalate from "a bit of kicking" to "smashing someone's head into the ground".

He blamed the degeneration on the number of murders children can watch on television and on video games which normalise violence.

Mr Robertson, who has taught for 36 years, said: "It might not be a bad idea to adopt this notion of turning troops into teachers. When people leave the army they can move into teaching."

He said he believed in the transformative power of the armed forces on discipline.

"The first discipline you learn in the army is internal self-discipline and you have to teach that to kids. Very often that is something that is missing at home.

"More people are used to the notion of violence as part of society and the glorification of it in computer games."

However, parents were sceptical. Eleanor Coner, information officer at the Scottish Parent Teacher Council, said: "I don't see why ex-service people would particularly make good teachers.

"Good discipline comes with good teaching and just because someone is good at discipline, it will not necessarily make them a good teacher."

A Scottish Government spokesman said it was up to headteachers to set their own behaviour policies.





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  • Last Updated: 29 April 2008 10:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Teaching
 
1

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 30/04/2008 03:01:17
Better: encourage ex-servicemen with an interest in teaching to pursue that interest and support it with cash. I've worked with former US military and they have made fine teachers.
2

Boy Wonder,

30/04/2008 08:35:03
This is what used to happen in "the old days". Retired Majors and the like were made headmasters of boys schools to "whip them into shape" ... and produce cannon fodder for the British Empire's next war!

So I say a resounding NO to that idea! The problems with schools are built into them from the start. You need to have smaller schools with classes of no more than 10 to really get high acheivers flying!
3

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 30/04/2008 09:08:35
On the face of it a very sound idea. The reality, however, would almost certainly be quite different with retired ex soldiers being subjected to as much red tape and politically correct gibberish as our existing teachers and therefore prevented from instilling discipline.
As they come from a background where discipline is the accepted norm I cannot imagine why any retired soldier would wish to teach the hordes of indolent and cretinous pupils who so blight the system and who are tomorrow's losers.
4

JayDeeTee,

30/04/2008 09:45:21
My god, this would never be allowed. Having male teachers? Can't have that.
5

Andrew,

30/04/2008 10:34:31
5! Women are fighting AND DYING alongside the men!!!
6

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/04/2008 11:16:07
What would be the point in that?

The nanny state would undoubtedly issue a set of rules that precluded them from using any of their military skills to exert control over a class---even though that is what some kids would need and would actually respond to quite well.

7

Biker,

Ayr 30/04/2008 12:35:00
While at school (Ainslie Park) in the 60s we had a fine group of teachers who broached no sillyness from pupils, and as suck was faily successfull. Take away the avbility to disipline and your control goes.
The problem is that most teachers arrive at the profession directly from college after leaving school. Perhaps a spell in outside employment would help with communication skills ect. This is not a critisism, mearly an observation.
On the point of employing ex militery, why not if they can do the job.
8

Calum Crubag,

30/04/2008 13:09:26
Ex-soldiers? What will they do? Give the kids the 'Deepcut' treatment? Given the amound of bullying, suicides and predjudice in the army i don't think this is a good idea.

There's also been numerous cases of squaddies in recent years dealing in drugs and fighting in local towns. Maybe 'army disciplie' aint all the Daily Mail readers here beleive it to be.
9

Calum Crubag,

30/04/2008 13:10:11
Ex-soldiers? What will they do? Give the kids the 'Deepcut' treatment? Given the amound of bullying, suicides and predjudice in the army i don't think this is a good idea.

There's also been numerous cases of squaddies in recent years dealing in drugs and fighting in local towns. Maybe 'army disciplie' aint all the Daily Mail readers here beleive it to be.
10

Calum Crubag,

30/04/2008 13:12:26
As a point of interest, how many people here know what a modern Scots classroom is like? As a teacher?

Yeah, there are problems but don't tar all kids with the same brush. Most problem kids come from problem homes where violence and abuse is the norm. And guess what? It's not new, i remember school in the 70s, with the belt, and it wasn't any better.
11

Singlepoint,

Fife 01/05/2008 02:41:05
The reason there are disruptive schoolchildren is because of disgruntled parents and lack of means to sanction the former and satisfy the latter. The parents are disgruntled for numerous reasons though multiculturalism, underemployment, and uncertain future come to the fore and indeed I am not sure which has the most effect. To lay out the actual sequence of events which brought us here would be seen primarily as racism by those who are constantly watching for it, and by those who are forever using the race-card as means to maintain the disruption. Such as they are in fact enemies of the State and they are more legion than the terrorists whose hands they feed.

In truth, England wants Merry England back again but cannot get it quite simply because an England alone and as it was before the rot could not survive as such in these empire-less, nation-less, border-less days. The same is it with the rest of the UK.

As for school education; when I took SCEs it was at a time when there was no course work mark or open book assessment to contribute to the overall score. We worked the whole year and at the end we took the exams which covered everything from start to finish. Those who passed under the then conditions were and are more intelligent and able and disciplined than those who pass now and that is because of the structure then and the fact that the exams have now been grossly dumbed down to make those who would be rightly and safely less into those who are falsely and dangerously more. Those who are looking for racism will know what I include here. The British education system today is a multicultural, human rights, classless, liberal, confidence trick, no more, no less, and were it not for it being sinister and alarming it would be comical.

As for military might and reasoning; when I took up arms for a time I once came upon a chitty that stands out by it’s having effectively commanded only thus; ‘Go here and kill everybody’, which was done without res
12

Singlepoint,

Fife 01/05/2008 02:42:17
which was done without reservation. Such people who were and are with malice aforethought and extreme prejudice let slip to the single-minded, relentless dealing in lead and cold steel would never have made and will never make educators of young, democratic, free-thinking minds: take my word.
13

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 02/05/2008 11:57:47
Some joined up thinking needed in the teaching profession, I think.

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago at, I think the NUT conference, that we had some 70s style SWP throwback demanding that the military be barred from school recruitment campaigns?

Using the student style firebrand language and adopting what he fondly imagined was a 'vernacular' accent to give him credibility? Right hand and left hand I fear.

PS Isn't Singlepoint (#11 & 12 a bit scary?)

 

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