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Published Date: 17 May 2008
FARMING is to blame for 25 per cent of Scotland's greenhouse gas emissions, a new report has revealed. The study into agriculture and its impact on the environment says radical changes are needed to centuries-old practices if Scotland is to meet its targets to tackle climate change.
It dispels the myth that it is only air travel, shipping and excessive car use that unleash huge quantities of damaging carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Instead, it lays a big portion of the blame on farming.

Drastic solutions have been put forward in the study to tackle the problem. These include measures to cut the harmful methane emissions produced by cattle as they digest their food. This could involve replacing Scotland's traditional cattle species, such as the Aberdeen Angus, with faster-growing continental varieties that will produce less methane before they are slaughtered.

Another option would be to reduce the number of cattle, which produce 26 per cent of farming's total emissions through methane.

Alternatively, cattle could be fed cereal crops, which improve their digestion, but that would use up crucial barley and wheat at a time of global food shortages. Another possible solution would be to replace farmland with woodland, which soaks up carbon from the atmosphere.

Speaking at the launch of the report, Michael Russell, the environment minister, said farmers had to be "concerned" and must play their role in tackling the damaging emissions heating up the planet.

But Jonathan Hall, the head of rural policy at NFU Scotland, said drastic changes to farming could be "catastrophic", not just for farmers but for the economy.

And John Picken, a Fife cereal farmer, said the best use of the world's resources was to grow food locally rather than to cut back on farmland, which would force the agriculture industry abroad.

The report, "Climate Change and Scottish Agriculture", was put together by farming groups such as the NFU, environment bodies and members of the government to look at possible ways forward. It says the farming community can play a huge role in helping the government meet its target of reducing emissions by 80 per cent by 2020.

But Mr Hall said it was wrong to get too concerned about the level of emissions produced by farming. "Climate change is a global issue and if Scotland was to play the role of wanting to reduce its emissions from agriculture then all it would do is force farmers out of business," he said.

He claimed it would also have a tiny impact on the world's emissions.

Cutting local supplies of food would increase dependence on imports, which he said could actually increase Scotland's overall emissions due to the need to rely on transporting products from abroad.

"The clear message I have got is that simply forcing Scotland's agriculture to reduce emissions would not solve the problem, as it's a global problem," he said. "The consequences for the rural economy would be catastrophic."

Farmland covers three-quarters of Scotland and some 67,000 people are employed in the agricultural sector. It contributes about £2 billion to the economy.

Mr Russell said he wanted the report, commissioned by the Scottish Government's Agriculture and Climate Change Stakeholder Group, to be a "platform for action", and added that he would be using next month's Royal Highland Show to work with the farming sector to find ways to mitigate the effects of climate change.

He said there were no threats to the farming industry. "We are not saying you should no longer exist. We are saying what are the adaptation routes?

"I don't think farmers should feel worried. I think they should feel concern. The concern should be that they have a role to play in climate change. They shouldn't be worried about it because there's no prospect of saying we should cut emissions by cutting this sector. That would be a ridiculous solution," he said.

He also said climate change brought opportunities for farmers – and Mr Hall agrees.

"I think farmers should continue as they are doing now, but I also think there's room for the industry to look at some win-win steps it should take," he said.

He said these could include using renewable energy, which would reduce farmers' dependence on costly fossil fuels and help cut emissions at the same time.

The report explains how climate change will bring challenges as well as opportunities for farmers.

As the climate warms, rainfall is expected to increase and most areas in Scotland are expected to experience a longer growing season. This should lead to improved crop growth. New crops not currently grown in Scotland – such as maize or grapes – could become common.

But as the temperature increases, it is also likely to bring new diseases, weeds and pests that farmers will need to learn to cope with.

The report concludes that as well as action by farmers, more research needs to be carried out and attention needs to be given to improving government policies on farming.

Douglas Bell, a policy consultant at the Scottish Agricultural College, said: "I think there are challenges in there, but, to be fair, there are also opportunities for the farming community. For example, if the climate warms over the next 50 years, there are opportunities for different crops to be grown and for arable crops to grow further north.

"So, from a commercial point of view, there are potentially some opportunities but also some obvious worries – the advance of disease being the most obvious."

Local solution to a global problem

John Picken, a cereal farmer in Fife, says growing locally is the best way to make use of the natural resources we share

IT CONCERNS me a lot when I hear farmers being blamed for climate change.

Our primary reason for being here is to provide food. Growing food locally is the best, most economic use of the world's resources.

There's no better carbon balance than growing locally. You are using far fewer resources than if you are importing it from elsewhere in the world.

We play the biggest part at the moment in preventing climate change. Every crop we grow, every acre where crops grow or vegetables grow takes carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and produces something useful. No other industry does as much as we do to tackle climate change.

The International Panel on Climate Change seems to ignore that fact. They fail to realise the benefits of farming.

It's extremely harsh to say farming produces 25 per cent of emissions in Scotland. They are trying to point the blame at the industry that's doing the most to safeguard the climate.

It's not 100 per cent efficient because we are dealing with nature and the planet is not 100 per cent efficient.

We are going to get run-off and carbon dioxide or methane produced into the atmosphere. It's a natural thing.

To blame farming is ridiculous. We have improved efficiencies beyond measure. We adhere to every single wildlife or environment rule.

If we are constrained, we can't do our job of producing food – it will have to be imported.

Climate change is foremost in our mind.

We are at greater risk of disease because of climate change.

But I do think climate change brings some opportunities as well.

Growing grapes in Fife would be a fantastic idea and oil seed rape is already moving further north.



How farmers can change their ways of working and help save the planet

RENEWABLES

USE renewable energies:

Liquid bioethanol or biodiesel can be used instead of petrol or diesel and they are relatively easy for farmers to grow.

Biomass boilers can also be installed on farms relatively easily.

They usually burn wood products, to generate heat and electricity.

Both techniques could save farmers money on expensive petrol and diesel.

There is also research into the possibility of collecting methane from housed livestock, which can then be used to generate heat and electricity on the farm.

Farming bodies say in order for these techniques to be used by the farming sector, there would have to be considerable grants available by the Scottish Government so that they are not too costly.

WOODLAND

REPLACE farmland with woodland: The Scottish Government in its Scottish Forestry Strategy has set a target of covering 25 per cent of the country with woodland by 2020. Currently the country stands at about 16 per cent forest coverage.

Forests sequester carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and are a good way of tackling carbon emissions and it stays in place for decades.

But opponents say planting forests on farmland could have a disastrous impact on the agricultural industry and on Scotland's economy.

It could increase our dependence on imported food and meat, which in turn could boost emissions from transport.

Other options would be to remove land from production either temporarily or permanently, as set-aside.

LIVESTOCK

STOP farming cattle and sheep and produce poultry, pigs or crops instead.

Chickens and pigs do not produce the same quantities of harmful methane as cattle and crops are emission-free. However, moving away from these centuries-old types of farming could have a catastrophic impact on cattle farmers in Scotland. There is also the view that climate change will not stop people wanting to eat beef.

So if Scottish farmers stopped producing cattle, they would just be farmed elsewhere in the world, meaning there would be no benefit to global emissions.

In fact, some experts say it could increase global emissions, because Scotland would have to import more beef, which would mean increasing transport emissions.

Farmers say it is best to grow food locally, rather than import it.

WIND POWER

ONE way to cut back on damaging emissions would be for farmers to tap into the growing renewable-energy sector by investing in wind turbines.


These could be used to generate energy for the farm, with the surplus sold to the national grid to make a profit.

Potential downsides include opposition from local communities because of the adverse visual impact.

The initial cost to the farmer of investing in turbines could also be high.

Getting planning permission for a wind farm can be very time-consuming, and wind turbines are not suited to all sites. They need a strong supply of wind.

Farmers' groups say in order for farmers to invest in wind power they will need help from the government in the form of grants.

DIET

REDUCE roughage intake by sheep and cattle:

Cattle produce higher levels of greenhouse gas methane when they eat grass or hay than when they eat cereals, such as barley and wheat.

Therefore, by having more control of the animals' diet, by keeping them inside and feeding them cereals, farmers can cut the amount of methane produced.

Problems with this could include farmers having to change the way they manage their livestock, by keeping them inside rather than allowing them to graze outside.

There is also a view that cereals such as barley and wheat should be reserved for use by humans, in today's climate of global food shortages, rather than fed to animals. There has also been research into dietry supplements that can be fed to cattle, with the side effect that they cut the amount of methane produced.

CATTLE VARIETIES

Replace native cattle species with European varieties.

Traditional Scottish breeds such as Highland and Aberdeen Angus take a long time to mature compared to European varieties such as Simmental and Charolais. One way to reduce emissions would be to replace Scotland's traditional varieties with the European alternatives. Faster growing, they would slaughtered sooner, producing fewer methane emissions. Also, being larger, fewer cattle would be needed.

But opponents say continental cattle breeds are not suited to Scotland. The traditional varieties are perfectly suited to grazing hillsides and to the colder climate in this country. Traditional cattle varieties are also a tourist attraction. It would also put pressure on farmers who are used to the techniques needed for native cattle.





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  • Last Updated: 16 May 2008 9:59 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Environment
 
1

indune1,

Canada 17/05/2008 00:07:23

Oh my god, the inmates have truly taken over the asylum!

Does this mean that Kiwis - who are outnumbered 8-1 by the sheep they raise - must go out and kill them and introduce what?

Pure dementia.
2

Padraig,

17/05/2008 01:53:46
I really have had enough of the loony-left using Green issues to throw their weight about.

There is absolutely no evidence of climate change being caused by Man's activities.

And there has been no average temperature increase in the last ten years, so what are the scare stories about? Nothing more than that - the tradition of inadequates trying to get attention with their "end of the world is nigh" pitch!

They should go back to wearing their sandwich boards!
3

Allis Chalmers,

Crieff 17/05/2008 02:50:33
I you read the report referred to in this article you find that it suggests the figure for methane emissions from cattle is in fact 5% of the Scottish total, not 25% as inferred by the headline and its accompanying photograph.

The truth is probably a fraction of 1%, but it appears that the editor doesn't give a damn about one of Scotland's major industries (or Scotland for that matter), and happily publishes sheer rubbish without a thought for the consequences. Shame upon him.
4

The Trossachs Hasher,

17/05/2008 04:09:54
Don't really think it is the looney left #4 - just looney greens.

They seem to think every opinion they have is valid and we should all slavishly fall in behind them.

We have had cattle on this planet for thousands of years and all of a sudden they are are problem??

Farmers who are not gnashing their teeth must be laughing their socks off at this ridiculous idea.

Management of the land should be left to those who know about it and not some radical environmentalist whose own emissions seem to be more than questionable.

He should take his suggestions around to the farmers himself- he would soon get the message!!
5

Fanling,

Switzerland 17/05/2008 04:24:33
#9
Excellent points there. The media just love to sensationalise and stir the pot. If it doesn't sell papers, it provokes comment!
6

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 17/05/2008 04:52:43
Key point:
But Mr Hall said it was wrong to get too concerned about the level of emissions produced by farming. "Climate change is a global issue and if Scotland was to play the role of wanting to reduce its emissions from agriculture then all it would do is force farmers out of business," he said
7

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 17/05/2008 05:24:29
Independence is the number one issue facing the Scottish people today. Whether they be home or across the pond,
Cow farts are about 120,604th on the list.
In Alberta we have 5 million cows and 3 million people.
Your point is?
8

expatmac,

Russia 17/05/2008 05:27:58
#7 - Allis Chalmers.
If you read the article it does NOT say cattle produces 25% of all Scotlands' methane emmissions, but around 6-7%. Your point may still be valid, in that even this figure is inflated, but might be a good idea to quote properly from articles first.
9

W Smith,

Middle East 17/05/2008 05:41:58
Just when you think you've 'herd' it all.

Farming is not 'green' enough.

Geezy peeps.

Lets all join the Stop The Flactulance Coalition - the MMD (Methane of Mass Destruction) has to be opposed.
10

Tam O'Shante,

Durban 17/05/2008 05:57:35
What have we come to? Blaming cattle for global warming! The hot air being sent skywards by the GREENS must be more harmful than farting cows! There is an easy way out, a la motor car - fit a platinum converter to every cow's, not forgetting the bull's, rectum.
11

Jim boy,

Dunedin NZ 17/05/2008 06:10:19
'This could involve replacing Scotland's traditional cattle species, such as the Aberdeen Angus, with faster-growing continental varieties that will produce less methane before they are slaughtered.' So when the faster growing cattle are slaughtered what is the farmer going to replace them with? More cattle - so where is the saving in this?
12

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 06:11:13
Kill the coos to save the planet ? Ye couldnae make it up !
13

DunCraig,

Brisbane 17/05/2008 06:12:04
These flatulent green nazis produce more hot air & CO2 than anything else! I wish they'd just shut up!
14

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 06:16:15
21 - I know it's off-subject but do you notice that posts about the Manchester rioting have been removed by the Scotsman ? Another paper afraid of upsetting Sir David Moonbeam ?
15

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 06:18:04
28 - Of course there is, even though Livi's becoming a dormitory for folk who cannae afford a hoose in Embra. More's the pity - they clog up the A71.
16

Harry Carnie,

British Columbia, Canada 17/05/2008 06:50:00

Wow ....what ..whole lot of bull crap. It is GREAT to know that ALL the "idiot experts" are NOT in Canada after all.
17

Stuart F.,

Burnaby, B. C. Canada 17/05/2008 06:58:37
Meanwhile, 20% of the earth's methane comes from insect
flatulance . . . Pest control!!!!
18

Ron Thomson,

calonge 17/05/2008 07:22:48
With the amount of sh¡t that is spouted in Government Offices and more so in Parliament, the build up of Methane Gas must be at a dangerous level could someone strike a match, as to getting rid of oor highland coos this must be a joke, farting is something that everyone does, so their answer is to get rid of the cattle, these cattle have served us well over the years, i say get rid of Politicians and keep the Coo's.
19

Vaughan,

Vancouver, Canada 17/05/2008 07:42:28
At the risk of insulting the Green Machine...
There may be far too many people on the planet, passing that gas, gas, gas...
But, Think of all the farms in Scotland, the rest of Europe and North America. The word is, 25,000,000 Bison were once, not too long ago, on the plains of my continent. I do believe that more methane went into the system, by far, in those days.(animal wise.)
I wish people would tell the truth rather than advancing an agenda that turns out to be false. Remember "Reefer Madness'the film? We smile and break up laughing when this is put on the late late late show today, but when it was released, aparently,it showed the truth and that was that weed made all of us violent and addicted.
Why if you lit a joint on the great plains 100 years ago with 25 million huge gas passers, well, I do not want to think of it!

Regards,
Vaughan
20

Douglas,

Bathgate 17/05/2008 07:46:59
The sky is falling!
21

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 17/05/2008 07:49:09
Bring them on, I think you are stupid,in other words a retard,what has Scottish football got to do with the greenhouse effect, Nothing you bloody incompitant fool, know wonder I move to the U.S.A when I read comments like yours.
I guess you are one of these people that sit around the house all week waiting for your unemployment check to come in the letter box, go and get a job and see what the real world is all about.
22

Prof,

17/05/2008 07:51:00
Best idea to save greenhouse gasses is to stop spending money in having trashy reports like this prepared by the green tree huggers.
Gullible idiots seems to be the collective name for Scottish government ministers.
23

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 17/05/2008 08:04:34
GET RID OF ABERDEEN ANGUS????

It's April 1, right??
24

thinking,

Scotland 17/05/2008 08:23:23
Global warming is natural.
Chemical polution and litter is not.
We need to clean up our act.
If we want to reduce emmissions we can do that by reducing the massive use of electricity on business/shop advertising displays that are on all night
25

Organic peasant,

N E Scotland 17/05/2008 08:31:55
A very poor article completely lacking in any reality especially the headline, we have been dealing with this for years. Methane emissions can easily be cut by using feed additives to improve rumen fermentation but they were banned to appease the green lobby. The muck from livestock can be put through anaerobic digestion to produce gas to drive electricity generators leaving the soil nutrients to be recycled. Planting trees requires drainage which releases much more carbon than the trees will ever save. The Scottish beef industry works on a grass and brewing/distillery byproduct feed base, it is just about the most natural and efficient on the planet. Farms can use ground source heat pumps for heating and systems are now being installed all over Scotland demand driven by the high heating oil price. The whole article is a load of twaddle by someone with not the first understanding of anything to do with food or farming.
26

11+failed,

the pans 17/05/2008 08:34:45
"Another possible solution would be to replace farmland with woodland, which soaks up carbon from the atmosphere."
Where do we find these deluded souls? As Maire might have said "let them eat wood"
27

Smiley,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 09:00:46
What a load of bullocks!
28

A Scot,

17/05/2008 09:02:55
And what about human methane production?

They'll be banning gassy beer next.

Poor reporting, false facts and no thought.
29

bumpkin,

17/05/2008 09:10:51
TRIPE, UTTER.
The famine is coming!
If methane is so bad, the first thing to be done is shoot all the useless deer roaming scotland.
methane could be collected easily from wintering sheds if funding was available.
what are the poor going to eat if all the cereals get fed to cows and sheep.
what will we do with all the grass which grows naturally over 90% of scotland, absorbing co2 in the process?
At the rate that lairds are clearing tenants at, there will be no farmers left soon anyway.
30

mrsbruce,

Livingston 17/05/2008 09:12:57
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mad cow thingy was caused by animals not being fed on grass, as most Scottish cows are, but fed on goodness knows what.

Surely these people are just using the environment as an excuse to promote bad treatment of animals and bird by stuffing them in cages and feeding them the wrong stuff.

I'm not a tree hugger, I just can't see the logic of maltreating your food to save on their carbon footprints, while flying in their feedstuff. Or creating another bovine/sheep/chicken cross disease.
31

Fenland Farmer,

Cromwell's England 17/05/2008 09:18:53
This is really great news! However we really do need to recruit another enforcement layer of Defra or RPA officials and Inspectors all of whom will be experts in the field of methane reduction.
In the meantime, I will hold a team meeting with my Highland Cattle and produce an action plan ( Farm Action Recovery & Transition Livestock Emissions Study & Solutions..Fartless for short) to cut down their emmissions of gas.
Or we could get rid of Brown.
32

Fairfax,

17/05/2008 09:20:23
Rulesbutnotrulers (36): "If we all became 99% vegetarians we would a. not be facing global starvation"

Given the exponentially increasing population of the planet, this would merely delay the Malthusian crunch. However, (i) the West's population is not growing exponentially: it's stable, except for immigration, (ii) the West can feed itself easily on its current diet. Why should we change to support the careless exponential increase in other sections of the world's population?
33

lulach mac gille coemgain,

17/05/2008 09:26:33
The lengths they’ll go to to get an airport expansion with lots of car parking - concrete and steel before bread and bacon that’s what I say !
34

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 17/05/2008 09:34:10
I suspect actual farmers might have a forthright opinion on this bullcr*p from these civilisation deniers. Logical extensions of this would be 1) ban cattle 2) realise this would result in species reduction. 3) Too late.

Since humans are also predisposed to a spot of rectal emission it won't be long before there's a call for a human cull too and if you don't do that the Greens will most upset and call you a name. To quote Billy Connolly "if God had meant us to f*rt, he'd have given us a funnel".
35

Fairfax,

17/05/2008 09:41:42
Article: "Another possible solution would be to replace farmland with woodland, which soaks up carbon from the atmosphere."

The logical consequence of returning land to woodland is its inability to support our current human population level. If the Greens believe this is desirable, then perhaps they would also support the following alternative solution: If the main aim is to reduce the number of humans, then there's a much easier solution: use 10% of the US nuclear arsenal to annihilate most of the population of China and India. In 30 minutes, the world's population would be returned to 1970s level, industrialization in these nations would end, and the resulting nuclear autumn might well delay global warming.
36

Unimpressed one,

17/05/2008 09:42:38
"The report, "Climate Change and Scottish Agriculture", was put together by farming groups such as the NFU, environment bodies and members of the government to look at possible ways forward."

Would be interesting to know what percentage of input the NFU had on this. I suspect virtually nil.

"Mr Russell said he wanted the report, commissioned by the Scottish Government's Agriculture and Climate Change Stakeholder Group, to be a "platform for action", and added that he would be using next month's Royal Highland Show to work with the farming sector to find ways to mitigate the effects of climate change."

This lunacy should be stopped here and now. Governments are squandering megabucks to placate green fantasies that do nothing except to generate more guff reports based on junk science. And so the merry circle keeps going. Once the EU's bams take this pi*sh on board they will wreck our farming industry just as surely as they've decimated fishing. We need the greens out of government now.
37

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 17/05/2008 09:53:11
Yet more rubbish from the 'climate change' hysterics.
FACT; Global temperatures have not risen since 1998
FACT: Carbon dioxide levels have risen significantly since 1998.
Conclusion? Carbob Dioxide levels have little - if any - influence on global temperature increase.

FACT CO2 is a RARE GASE - present at just 400 parts per million - or 4 parts in 10,000 in the atmosphere.
There is MASSIVE evidence that it is CLOUD COVER produced by water vapour - that governs temperature - and water vapour makes up 20% the atmosphere - a level about 100 MILLION times greater percentage than CO2.

In Mid February this winter we had a very warm day caused by a high pressure system from the Canary islands. It was T shirt and shorts weather - 70 degrees all over - blue skies, fluffy cumulus and gentle breezes. That night - the cloud cover evaporated and we had a severe frost - the grass was white and crunchy and the bird bath froze. What does this tell you? There is no 'temperature store' in the atmosphere - when the clouds go away, heat radiates into deep space.
Carbon dioxide cannot store heat.

These pseudo scientists will push any rubbish to get their 'anxiety fees'. But newspapers are supposed to QUESTION facts - not just reproduce them as 'truth'. Does the Scotsman have ANY scientists working for it?

38

911 was an inside job.,

17/05/2008 09:59:07
Fat people blamed for global warming
By Patrick Sawer
Last Updated: 8:52AM BST 17/05/2008

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming 'Greatest Scam in History'
Newsbusters | November 9, 2007
Noel Sheppard



39

Dokie,

Wesham 17/05/2008 10:02:43
Ah help ma boab!!

UK emissions are 2% of the world's which make Scotland's somewhere under 0.2% which make the coos' contribution hardly worth bothering about. If indeed it's these emissions that are the cause of all our woes, which is highly debatable.

Gie it a rest wull ye?
40

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 17/05/2008 10:11:35
From today's Telegraph:

As if they didn’t already have enough problems on their hands fat people are now being blamed for global warming.

British scientists say they use up more fuel to transport them around and the amount of food they eat requires more energy to produce than that consumed by those on smaller diets.

According to a team at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine this adds to food shortages and higher energy prices.

Researchers Phil Edwards said: “We are all becoming heavier and it is a global responsibility. Obesity is a key part of the big picture."

You couldn't make it up!!!

Every researcher in the country who needs a grant is plugging the 'global warming' line - oh sorry - I forgot - since the planet has not got any warmer since 1998 it is now called 'climate change'! And water is wet, and fire is hot and bears sh@t in the woods.
41

Edward,

17/05/2008 10:12:58
Its not April 1st is it????
Think this paper has completely lost the plot with this non story
Scotland's farmers should do nothing to pander to the whims of these jokers
It really is pathetic to say the least what this article is about
Its now debatable that emmisions are the cause of climate change (climate change is when global warming happens on a cold day).The UN's own panel of so called experts are now moving towards the theory that climate change is natural and not man made.
No wonder this paper is in danger of becoming extinct, when it wastes paper printing such garbage
42

richtee,

Deep River 17/05/2008 10:13:15
People( and animals) living on the planet is going to affect the environment face it.
This study sounds like the ecofuel fiasco of the past couple years where growing crops for fuel was the answer now of course we see what a clusterf**k that turned into.
43

Black Five,

edinburgh 17/05/2008 10:30:26
aren`t you all just sik of these greenies.What a bunch of pathetic morons.It`s about time they were taken for what they are ,a bunch of nutters very much out of control and they should all be transported to some Pacific attol.
44

911 was an inside job.,

17/05/2008 10:33:00
Why doesn't the Scotsman hold an online poll? It can ask whether or not we believe that man made global warming is real. Judging by the comments so far, I bet the result will shock the global warming tyrants.

How are they going to get us to pay more tax if most of us don't believe their CO2/methane lies? They'll have to think up another man made threat to the planet.

I've got one: 6.5 billion people walking on the earth is causing our planet to wobble out of its orbit around the sun. The dumb greens will almost certainly believe this and demand a new walking tax.
45

Mad Jock,

East Lothian 17/05/2008 10:52:40
To paraphrase a quote I read recently: "Those who claim to want to save the human race end up wanting to control humans"
46

Way Out West,

17/05/2008 11:29:09
What a load of guff. All mammals break wind - it's natural.

How did they arrive at this conclusion? By fitting f*rt detectors to cattle?

I'm sure that when Daisy the Cow munches her grass in the fields, the last thing on her mind (or Farmer Giles's) is how much gas is passed as a result.

Just you watch. Next us humans will be told not to eat curries on account of their side-effects.
47

Guga II,

Rockall 17/05/2008 11:31:59
More junk science from cretins that have probably never been nearer a farm than their television set.

Why do the press even bother giving any form of publicity to these doom and gloom mongers?

To solve any alleged global warming problems, all we need to do is ram a large cork into the mouths of these junk scientists and their deluded followers, thus cutting down on all the hot air emmissions from them. A cork rammed up their rear end would also help.
48

Displaced Scot,

UK 17/05/2008 11:45:07
This is an extension of what the Vegans are trying spread about. Do they not realise that wildlife have the same problem. How many red dear are there in Scotland, should they all go. Livestock have the ability to convert food which humans cant digest into protein. They utilise land that cant grow other crops such as cereals and oilseed crops. They also utilise by products from the food manufacturing industry, such as sugarbeet pulp.
What about the Nitogen cycle, if you dont know look it up in a book.
I know for a fact Scottish Beef farmers are using continental Beef breeds already, as they grow bigger and faster.
This is a mountain being made out of a molehill. If it is acted upon it will result in more SAD people becomming inspectors, imposing rules. For Gods sake dont let Brussels know about this, as they will impose more rules and then wonder why there is not enough food.
49

Fifemeg,

glenrothes 17/05/2008 11:51:55
The problem with most of the "facts" is that they take figures etc. way out of context. Governments (ours anyway) are just trying to jump on the latest bandwagon ...climate change. They think it's a good way of charging extra taxes without us complaining,all in a good cause. We ARE harming this planet. Mostly through sheer ignorance or total disregard for others (including Earth) so that the rich can get richer. Most of the "greens" would be happy for the full facts to be shown, rather than just bits of what amounts to misinformation. Regardless of whether we believe in clcimate change or not, we should be looking after this planet NOT trampling all over her just to get more than others. No, I don't believe cows make enough of a difference for this nonsense to be printed.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 17/05/2008 12:01:10
Get rid of Sheep.

Get rid of half of the population of Scotland.

Farming practices went down hill (literally) with the advent of the Anglo-Saxons in Britain. Native livestock methods were largely in the high marginal areas. Humans lived above still further, so as not to swamp the arable areas and not be drinking your own effluent. Remember hill tows?
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 17/05/2008 12:03:58
Over population and uneven population distribution in Scotland is a very large problem.
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Allis Chalmers,

Crieff 17/05/2008 12:43:19
#18 - expatmac.

Read what I said, i.e. that the article INFERRED that cattle produce 25% of Scotland's methane emissions.

The headline plus the photograph will inevitably leave that impression in people's minds.

And while we're at it, Scotland's beef industry has been using continental breeds for about fifty years - Charolais, Simmental, Limousin etc etc, crossed with our own native breeds.

The article is sublimely ignorant in any man's language.

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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:16:28
1 Attach plastic tubes to offending cows
2 Attach tubes to large methane storage tanks
3 Collect methane and use for heating homes etc

Simple really.
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Neil Waugh,

OLd Strathcona 17/05/2008 13:18:05
OK, let's do the math.
800,000 cans of Tennants sent to Manchester.
Plus how many Rangers supporters.
Throw in massive volumes of curry take-away.
Equals an unimaginable amount of flatulence.
I know, let's save the black cattle and ban Rangers fans.
All in the name of global warming, of course.
Or has that idiot Brown already beat me to it?

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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:19:43
83 Me

It won't work. I forgot that cows sh*t. This would of course block the tubes rendering them worse than useless.

Plan B: Insert tubes via stomach into the f@rting chamber and collect. This should work. Cows then free to f@rt in tubes and defecate accordingly.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:22:02
Keep all the cows indoors. Once they realise the stink they're producing, they'll soon stop.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dre0255l.jpg
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 13:22:47
31 - a Russian stabbed inside the stadium, the centre of Manchester wrecked....
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:25:26
89

Don't blame the cows.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 13:25:52
39 - you have a point, and I certainly wont defend Bring It On, a supporter of Scotland's Shame. BUT the Scotsman has barred posting aboot the Manchester riots, so point the finger at them.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 13:26:37
If you don't like eating red meat, cook it beforehand. It will then turn a nice shade of brown thus eliminating all your fears.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 13:30:40
94 - sources : newspapers, radio, tv, cctv, the internet.....
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 17/05/2008 13:34:22
I believe that the New Zealand government has already imposed a 'gaseous emissions' tax on livestock farmers. I predict that it won't be long before we get the same. Akin to being taxed for going to the toilet...
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Dr. Francis T. Manns,

Toronto 17/05/2008 13:37:44
Number 81: As a proud old timer, let me tell you the world's agricultural picture has never looked better. More people, and a higher percentage of people, have been, and are being fed and clothed and housed by my generation than yours. It is no exaggeration that the NGOs on the other hand are applying every means at hand to bring that to a halt wherever they go. ...and they do not use science.

The list of enemies to prosperity includes wealthy opportunists like George Soros, and the Pew Foundation. Soros Foundation now stands in the way of considerable leap forward for abused poor people in Romania who once mined gold for the USSR at appalling environmental and human cost. Now people in Romania want to clean it up and mine the gold responsibly for themselves - the NGOs, Soros in particular, are denying them the right to their own prosperity after mining the gold for someone else since Roman times.

The Pew Foundation is the family of the geologist that opened up the Alberta oil sands.

Prosperity be damned and it does not seem to matter how many birds are killed by eco-friendly windmills. Contributions to these foundations are likely tax deductable so we are all implicated. I don't hesitate to throw their fundraisers off my porch.
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drew 33,

duddingston 17/05/2008 13:51:24
Seems there are only 3 posts out of 102 in favour of the crazy green brigade and all three our from our much loved dearly demented resident clown Rulesbutnotrulers,
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bumpkin,

17/05/2008 14:13:32
the nz government backed off from the tax, as they realised it would bankrupt the country.
if only our politicians were as sensible.
the farmers got together under the name F.A.R.T
(farmers against ridiculous taxes)
time to start the uk branch.
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 17/05/2008 14:14:56
The story is WRONG, nothing to do with farmers its FAT peoples fault, last month it was motorists or householders leaving the video on standby, and today its farmers. The truth is its a load of hot air, the whole issue has even been related to the natural course of change on our planet which they argue takes place on a cyclic basis. IN fact I recently read a report that the planet was cooling?? I am sure Brown boy or the EU will work out a tax to get more money from us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7404268.stm
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 14:26:42
103
bring them on,

"Top ten best films of all time".

1. Trainspotting - rubbish
2. The Spy Who Came In From The Cold - book was better
3. Local hero - mince
4. Oh, Mt Porter - Mt Porter or Mr Porter?
5. Night At The Opera - agreed.
6. Kagemusha - bless you
7. All the Carry on Films Ever Made - a joke no?
8. Stardust - Pathetic
9. Dambusters - average
10. Just Another Saturday - just another derivative film
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Hetman,

US 17/05/2008 14:29:59
I suppose eventually the people will finally get around to throwing out that whole nonsensical political class who are utterly divorced from reality. Eventually the final straw will be placed on the back.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 14:30:07
I knew it, I just knew it, farmers are now the ones who are being hounded by the 'global warming' brigade.

Surely we are now going to witness large corks being developed in order to jam up the backsides of all the cows in the land..

It really is incredible how so many people are being conned with the global warming myth.

Quite remarkable, really.

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Hickory,

US 17/05/2008 14:50:20
Do ye realise that if we did away with every tree hugger, we would reduce greenhouse gases more than any other action?
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California Scot,

17/05/2008 15:10:00
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy.

what pi**. the anti-everything movement is all around us. beware!
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Fairfax,

17/05/2008 16:18:04
Rulesbutnotrulers (81): "Fact: starvation in the third world IS our problem: morally as they are also humans;"

Why do you believe that it is our moral responsibility to support exponential population growth elsewhere? In particular, why should we support exponential growth far greater than our own? In any case, we would be merely be delaying their inevitable Malthusian fate.

"No imports of what we can grow here, or with air miles. Now, let's see how many of you reactionary old f*rts comply!"

Would you then support, say, English Greens opposing the import of Scottish beef or cheese?
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 17:10:23
In no particular order

The Spanish Prisoner
Battleship Potemkin
Deliverance
All the President's Men
Apocalypse Now
Metropolis
Fargo
The Gold Rush
My Cousin Vinny
Arsenic and Old Lace


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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 17:30:28
121

I'm waiting for On the Trams.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 17:35:24
123

LOL
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 17:35:59
Goal dif will decide.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 17:36:23
Slow news day.
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 17:43:41
128

Still laughing at that one. Till later.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 18:15:35
96 - err the Scotsman for one.
BTW, todays Daily Retard and The H*n (sorry I meant The Sun) tell us that the guy who was bitten by a Manchester polis dug (the dug needed a anti-tetanus jag afterwards) was a convicted killer.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 18:18:04
119 - now they need a miracle to win the SPL
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Bora bora bora,

17/05/2008 18:24:17
132

D Utd could beat Celtic......
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 17/05/2008 19:30:07
#134
Another list, in no particular order

A Matter of Life and Death
Ice cold in Alex
Scrooge Alastair Sim
One flew over the Cuckoos Nest
Waking Ned
The Big Sleep
Another Time Another PLace
Saturday Night Sunday Morning
All Quite on the Western Front
Kes



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Euan,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 19:45:29
Not that i'm bothered, but it's quite amazing how the comments have strayed away from the subject in the article and on to favourite film lists.

Come on folks, WHO'S UP FOR THE CORK-IN-THE-METHANE-EMITTING-COW'S BOTTOM SOLUTION?

Save the planet? - my AR*E..

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 20:16:23
Levien's going to go oot of his way to do Scotland's Shame a favour after McCurry's recent performance at Ibrox ? aye right !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/05/2008 20:17:12
post 139 was addressed to poster 133
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 17/05/2008 21:16:02
For All Rumbling Tummies is a self-help centre which is trying to countenance the passing of wind. (Whoops, good arsch)

For All Rumbling Tummies is a self-help centre which is trying to countenance the passing of wind. (Whoops, good arsch)

But I do not wish to repeat myself. Instead it is time for people to desist from indulging in Baked Beans. Yhey are banned from the spaceships which will leave behind all ruminating animals when we depart for pastures new (so to speak). Gordon Brown will be left behind with herds.
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bumpkin,

17/05/2008 23:16:17
it seems that the chairman of the climate change stakeholders group is that overpaid numpty who used to be farming chief in the clydesdale bank(the bank that likes to say no)
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DGR,

Coolangatta 17/05/2008 23:53:07
Years ago the Kiwis came up with the same sort of story and considered getting rid of the sheep. However they packed off when it was pointed out that it was far more environmentally friendly to leave the sheep alone and exterminate the Kiwis. That still is relevant in the fight against Global Warning
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/05/2008 01:09:26
Seven Samurai
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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 01:32:20
All -

Zulu

Wizard of Oz

Marathon Man

The Italian Job (the original!!)

A Bridge Too Far

Battle of Britain

Dambusters (especially in light of yesterday's 65th anniversary)

The Birds

Lawrence of Arabia (truly, the most beautifully filmed and musically scored motion picture)

Ice Cold in Alex - ( I know I am not the first to mention this one - a brilliant choice)

The Man Who Never Was



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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 01:33:45

Oops - forgot to nominate another cracker - The Godfather.
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Clifton,

USA KY 18/05/2008 02:02:41
You think oil is high. By the time this runs its course you will have forgotten what beef/red meat looks like, will have died or your brain will have emaciated from lack of protein. But it seems the greatest untapped methane/flatulence source readily available for new savior of the planet alternative energy sources would be the identifiers and proponents fearful of bovine flatulence and they error by not being more fearful/appreciative of the low kindling point and volume of their own flatulence as the better savior of the planet alternate energy source.
I like Charlton Heston's comment about man’s ability to trash the planet. “What vanity” and for these “ban the red meat” (Are you all worried about cholesterol tooo?)crowd they chose the smallest demographic to exercise their power knowing the unaffected majority will be unaware or remain silent about those flatulently “red meat” farmers and thus, their policies will prevail. I'm gonna miss those cow patties when I visit.. They are more aerodynamic than a Frisbee. When they are dry of course... But, just never found any methodology for sheep pellets though.. Any suggestion for inclusion into future museums as one of the past flatulencies??
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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 02:38:02


149, Jwil - Er, that would be Churchill, in the province of Manitoba, Canada.
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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 02:42:37

By the way, they don't live off food in trash cans.

They supplement their diet by visiting rubbish dumps and yes, because of that, roam into town.

The locals have adopted a number of measures designed to discourage the bears from roaming into town. However, the bears continueto be the centre of a thriving polar bear tourist industry!
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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 02:59:56
BTO - 152 and 153 -

I prefer the first Godfather. The second was all right. But the whole lot of them,back to back, all day? Nah, would put me off my canolli!!! :)
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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 03:07:28

Just thought of another - Breaker Morant! Powerful film.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/05/2008 03:26:19
Ice cold in Alex and the Godfather have the popular vote here with Zulu not far behind,

Three great films. Thanks must go to #103 bring them on, for getting us away from methane gas andon to this.
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indune1,

Canada 18/05/2008 04:01:35

156 - agreed! New Academy Awards category. Most Deserved and Warranted Distraction Award.

#103 - BTO - you have the honour to be the first nominee!!

Night all!!
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Erich J. Knight,

Virginia, USA 18/05/2008 05:21:44
Here is how Farming could truly change Global Warming;
the current news and links on Terra Preta (TP) soils and closed-loop pyrolysis of Biomass, this integrated virtuous cycle could sequester 100s of Billions of tons of carbon to the soils.

This technology represents the most comprehensive, low cost, and productive approach to long term stewardship and sustainability.Terra Preta Soils a process for Carbon Negative Bio fuels, massive Carbon sequestration, 1/3 Lower CH4 & N2O soil emissions, and 3X Fertility Too.


UN Climate Change Conference: Biochar present at the Bali Conference

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/steinerbalinov2107



SCIAM Article May 15 07;

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=5670236C-E7F2-99DF-3E2163B9FB144E40



After many years of reviewing solutions to anthropogenic global warming (AGW) I believe this technology can manage Carbon for the greatest collective benefit at the lowest economic price, on vast scales. It just needs to be seen by ethical globally minded companies.

Could you please consider looking for a champion for this orphaned Terra Preta Carbon Soil Technology.

The main hurtle now is to change the current perspective held by the IPCC that the soil carbon cycle is a wash, to one in which soil can be used as a massive and ubiquitous Carbon sink via Charcoal. Below are the first concrete steps in that direction;

S.1884 – The Salazar Harvesting Energy Act of 2007

A Summary of Biochar Provisions in S.1884:

Carbon-Negative Biomass Energy and Soil Quality Initiative

for the 2007 Farm Bill

http://www.biochar-international.org/newinformationevents/newlegislation.html

Bolstering Biomass and Biochar development: In the 2007 Farm Bill, Senator Salazar was able to include $500 million for biomass research and development and for competitive grants to develop the technologies and processes necessary for the commercial production of biofuels and bio-based products. Biomass is an o
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Erich J. Knight,

18/05/2008 05:24:42
Biomass is an organic material, usually referring to plant matter or animal waste. Using biomass for energy can reduce waste and air pollution. Biochar is a byproduct of producing energy from biomass. As a soil treatment, it enhances the ability of soil to capture and retain carbon dioxide.




There are 24 billion tons of carbon controlled by man in his agriculture and waste stream, all that farm & cellulose waste which is now dumped to rot or digested or combusted and ultimately returned to the atmosphere as GHG should be returned to the Soil.

Even with all the big corporations coming to the GHG negotiation table, like Exxon, Alcoa, .etc, we still need to keep watch as they try to influence how carbon management is legislated in the USA. Carbon must have a fair price, that fair price and the changes in the view of how the soil carbon cycle now can be used as a massive sink verses it now being viewed as a wash, will be of particular value to farmers and a global cool breath of fresh air for us all.

If you have any other questions please feel free to call me or visit the TP web site I've been drafted to co-administer. http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/?q=node

It has been immensely gratifying to see all the major players join the mail list , Cornell folks, T. Beer of Kings Ford Charcoal (Clorox), Novozyne the M-Roots guys(fungus), chemical engineers, Dr. Danny Day of EPRIDA , Dr. Antal of U. of H., Virginia Tech folks and probably many others who's back round I don't know have joined.



Also Here is the Latest BIG Terra Preta Soil news;

The Honolulu Advertiser: "The nation's leading manufacturer of charcoal has licensed a University of Hawai'i process for turning green waste into barbecue briquets."

See: http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/antalkingsford

ConocoPhillips Establishes $22.5 Million Pyrolysis Program at Iowa State
http://www.conocophillips.com/newsroom/news_releases/2007news/04-10-2007.htm

Gloma
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Erich J. Knight,

18/05/2008 05:28:18
ConocoPhillips Establishes $22.5 Million Pyrolysis Program at Iowa State
http://www.conocophillips.com/newsroom/news_releases/2007news/04-10-2007.htm

Glomalin, the recently discovered soil protien, may be the secret to to TP soils productivity;

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2003/030205.htm

Mycorrhizae Inoculent;

http://www.mycorrhizae.com/


The International Biochar Initiative (IBI) conference held at Terrigal, NSW, Australia in 2007. The papers from this conference are posted at their home page; http://www.biochar-international.org/home.html




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Harbinger,

18/05/2008 12:01:08
Scottish Government's Agriculture and Climate Change Stakeholder Group: stakeholders in the gravy train.

If we got rid of cows and went veggie, we'd all be doing the farting and there are a lot more people than cows.
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Brad Arnold,

St Louis Park 18/05/2008 12:11:53
Fortunately, the bacteria that create methane in the cattle's stomach(s) are not essencial to the cow's digestion. Soon, we should be able to severely limit the bacteria in the cow that produces methane.

Another item that the article doesn't mention is "no till farming." Instead of tilling the entire field, only the strips used to plant should be overturned, to minimize the escape of CO2 from the soil (and for other good reasons too).

Finally, a dire note sounded for farmers:

"Few seem to realise that the present IPCC models predict almost unanimously that by 2040 the average summer in Europe will be as hot as the summer of 2003 when over 30,000 died from heat. By then we may cool ourselves with air conditioning and learn to live in a climate no worse than that of Baghdad now. But without extensive irrigation the plants will die and both farming and natural ecosystems will be replaced by scrub and desert. What will there be to eat? The same dire changes will affect the rest of the world and I can envisage Americans migrating into Canada and the Chinese into Siberia but there may be little food for any of them." --Dr James Lovelock's lecture to the Royal Society, 29 Oct. '07

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Mary Bell,

Oklahoma, USA 18/05/2008 16:30:26
Shall the farmers take the advise of warmongers and mega-corporations, who have never loved the earth, or soiled their hands?

...Better to BAN WAR, and shun the POISONOUS GROUND OIL. let the citizens 'put their heads together' for an areeable, sustainable, prosperous future for precious 'mother earth'.

In the USA these 'nuts at-the-top' are inserting alumimum and other particles into the jet fuel with the idea of reflecting sunlight back into space, and poisoning the roudy population at the same time.

Take care, and be very alert, dear Scotts.
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Becket Saunders,

Texas,USA 18/05/2008 18:10:03
Find out, on your own, just who or what criminal group gave Former US Vice President Al Gore $350 Million cash ( for advertising the false crisis ), and you shall know who and what is behind the comming wave of 'carbon taxes' and the ultimate acreation of power.

You will find that the ability to even turn on a light bulb will be 'regulated' and taxed by the thugs of the world-with national and international governments acting as their collection agents. Just a little issue of money and power.
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MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 18/05/2008 18:27:49
Oh, yes, let's just blame the farmer! Not the bloody supermarkets for basically forcing this style of farming on people in order to keep the price of meat down.

I'm so sick of the media and government eternally scolding and punishing the little guy instead of focusing on the REAL hub of the machine: big business. And for thinking we'll all too stupid not to see what they're up to.
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James F,

East Ayr 18/05/2008 23:51:26
Rules but not rulers - nice job!
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little scouse on the prarie,

Spring 19/05/2008 00:13:57
Whatever will they think of next??
I can only speculate on the meaning of NFU!!
So centuries old farming produces 25% of greenhouse gases? Thus, if we take farming over the last 400 years it would have produced 100 years of supposed greehouse gas - and not a SUV owner in the heard. Astonishing.
The difference between a Scottish journalist wearing cowboy boots and a Texan? On the Texan the BS is on the outside!
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James F,

East Ayr 20/05/2008 01:35:57
Little scouse, where your calculation falls down is that people eat a lot more meat now than 50 years ago and there are more people on the planet now than there were 50 seconds ago.

 

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