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Published Date: 23 April 2009
NOT a debt mountain but a range of peaks; not a V-shaped recovery but a trampoline bounce: Alistair Darling strove to make a budget of fantastical figures sound like business as normal yesterday. But the only normal sound you could hear was the snapping springs on that trampoline.
This was the Budget that might spare us Depression. But is the one that finally marked the end of New Labour. This flatline budget speech gave every sense of a government that has run out of road. As a result, the real 2009 Budget has still to come. The sense of tough decisions delayed hung over this entire package.

How telling that, on no less than three occasions, he invoked the mantra that the world economy would double over the next 20 years. It is getting through the next 20 weeks that is Britain's problem.

The fiscal position is so bad that, despite severe recession and soaring unemployment, the Chancellor was reduced to modest measures and a few gimmicks.

Seldom before has the case for Keynesian stimulus been so great. But the government has borrowed to the back of beyond and has almost nothing to spare. And this is what in retrospect will be seen as Labour's greatest policy failure.

We are now at the endgame most feared of Labour governments – debt, delusion and disillusion. Gone were all those references to prudence and the ritualistic incantations of Golden Rules so beloved of his predecessor. The entire decade-old apparatus of Gordon Brown budgets has been swept away.

Mr Darling was obliged to slash his previous forecast for the economy – flipping from a mild downturn of 1.25 per cent – 0.75 per cent five months ago to a plunge of 3.5 per cent in the biggest correctional word-eating ever forced on a British chancellor.

He confirmed the worst fears of financial markets by announcing a budget deficit this year reckoned at £175 billion – double the figure envisaged in the Budget last year and the highest as a percentage of national income of any G20 country.

And this is no freak year: the deficit peaks stretch out to the far horizon, with net debt as a percentage of national income rising out to 2013-14.

But it was not these horrors that brought forth the biggest gasps in the Commons yesterday.

The cries of astonishment came when he announced his forecast for economic growth in the years ahead.

After a contraction of 3.5 per cent this year, the Chancellor calmly announced the economy will recover to growth of 1.5 per cent in 2010 – and to 3.5 per cent in 2011.

It was this second forecast that led David Cameron to remark: "This wouldn't be a U-shaped recovery, this would be a trampoline recovery."

The fact is the first forecast is mildly optimistic. The second is off the scale.

The Treasury believes domestic demand in that year will recover to between 2.5 and 3 per cent, and household consumption will spring back to growth of between 3 and 3.5 per cent. Even by the recent standards of demented dart-throwing that has come to mark the economic forecasting industry, this is going some.

It assumes the financial crisis is over. It assumes the problem of toxic debt is miraculously cured. And it makes no allowance for the historical fact that recessions sparked by financial crashes are more intense and last longer.

Bouncing back after the stunning loss of $50 trillion in the value of assets round the world is just not what the global economy is likely to do, still less the UK, particularly under that mountain of crushing debt. Of a credible plan to tackle the growth in public spending and achieve big savings there was just no sign. Indeed, the public spending party still goes on, as if nothing has changed. Even after the £15 billion of "efficiency savings" public spending is still on course to rise in real terms by 0.7 per cent.

What a private company would not give to be shielded from the economic storm by the prospect of a continuing real terms rise in its revenues while the world about it crashed.

What Darling seems loathe to admit, even after all the figures he gave of the global recession yesterday, is how much everything has changed.

And it is the refusal to recognise this – and to take the opportunity to show leadership and a change of course – that made much of Darling's speech yesterday sound like "same old".

What was glaringly absent was the sense of a government willing to take a grip on the public finances and get us out of the debt hole.

The result is that the government now has a colossal debt funding task on its hands. It has to undertake sales of gilt-edged stock this year of £220 billion – way above market forecasts. The cost of bailing out the banking system has been bigger than expected.

Even without any further mishaps in the global economy, this is an enormous undertaking and may raise questions as to whether the UK will retain its AAA credit rating. Lose that, and the cost of funding this debt could rise very sharply.

But there were useful measures in the Budget that should help mitigate the downturn.

• The widely trailed £2,000 car-scrap scheme should boost new car sales.

• Help for the young unemployed is well targeted.

• The rise to 40 per cent in tax relief to businesses on capital spending is worth £1.6 billion.

• All told, the benefit to business of deferring business-rate payments, the car-scrap scheme, a fund for investing in young start-up companies, and various other smaller initiatives is more than £3.3 billion.

• And the lift in the Isa annual savings ceiling to £10,200 should encourage savings and is long overdue.

For now, the government lacks the political will and strength to seriously tackle the debt hole we are in. Yesterday was a duck and a dive – the best the Chancellor could do. The real 2009 Budget is still to come.


BUDGET 2009: FULL COVERAGE

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Energy: Boost for North Sea fields is welcomed but detail needed

Whisky: Few cheers as duty rise comes at the worst time, say whisky leaders

Leader: Wait-and-see Budget shows lack of leadership

Cartoon by Iain Green


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1

RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:03:16
Happy St George's Day everyone.
2

Forward not Back,

23/04/2009 00:06:35
The 3.5% growth forecast in 2011 was hilarious. Darling is auditioning for the Fringe in August.

If and when the IMF come in, I wouldn't fancy being a public sector worker as the IMF will apply the necessary pain that this government won't.
3

Bejjy,

Europe 23/04/2009 00:14:22
La Diada de Sant Jordi; Patron Saint of Catalonia.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 00:16:22


Cheer Up Everyone!, that's correct, Cheer up!

When I open the soup-kitchen in Princes Street, you can all have a bowl of very cheap soup, with a roll, of-course!




5

Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 23/04/2009 00:35:12
#8.
Charles. You are a beacon of hope in these frightening times.

How do I get to Edinburgh?
6

Bejjy,

Europe 23/04/2009 00:38:15
#8 Charles Linskaill,

What is there to cheer anyone up in bankrupt Great Britain plc? The Chief Executive and his Financial Director have make sure that everyone within the organization will suffer (except for the board of directors and their cohorts) financially and will do so for many years to come. Boom and bust, more like sheer gloom and bust.
7

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 00:41:37
Old "Maggie" Brown could not put it better;

"Rejoice! Rejoice!"

Or what about the noblest M'Lord of them all

(excluding HRH THE LORD BARON VON FOULKES of course)

"You Scotch need to STOP moaning!"

God one almost feels sorry for those sad NEW LABOUR cyberpimps like RUFUS. It must be shear hell having to support this corrupt and incompetent rable, simply because of your rabid-right ideology.
hahhahahhahahaha

And do you trust a man who feels the need to dye his eybrows ?
8

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 00:53:45
Keynes could put a patch on a basically productive UK economy and get it moving again. That is goods could be produced, shipped that there was a market for. It doesn't look the same picture at all.

"the stunning loss of $50 trillion in the value of assets round the world"

This seems a dubious figure. Or was this $50T just floating about electronically? Whose assets?

-- What private company would be shielded from the economic storm by the prospect of a continuing real terms rise in its revenues while the world about it crashed.

An oil company!
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 00:54:29

Dark Lochnagar ~9,

"How do I get to Edinburgh?"

Do not worry, just follow-your-nose, and by the time you get here, you will be gasping for my home-made-soup!

Bejjy ~10,

Do not be such a stick-in-the-mud, if I am offering soup, that's the food-off-the-day taken care of, all you will need then is a nice cardboard-box to dwell in!

10

SkeptikScot,

23/04/2009 01:08:14
Oh dear. We haven't got a pot to pi*s in.
11

SkeptikScot,

23/04/2009 01:10:18
I hear that Robert "the pest" has said we may have to go back to the IMF again.

12

Bejjy,

Europe 23/04/2009 01:17:45
#14 SkeptikScot,

Oh dear. We haven't got a pot to pi*s in.

Not to worry, Charles Linskaill will issue you with a pot when you visit his soup kitchen; you will need it after you have tasted his soup.
13

THE REAL BLOCKEM,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 01:30:50
Why no mention of the asylum and immigration illegals in Britain. An estimated 700,000 illegals working here (paying no taxes), an estimated 280,000-400,000 failed asylum seekers here (paying no taxes) and countless thousands of immigrants on their way to Britain. Stop them getting into Britain and deport the illegals who are here - there that ought to save a few £billion. But no. We’ll all just have to go on paying for theirs and paying for our own.
14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 01:54:54


Bejjy ~16,

Less of the Cheek!, if the 'Soup-Kitchens', were good enough for many in the last times of 'great recession' and wars, I do not see why they won't be a benefit to many in times of this recession!

And BTW! (by the way) Who Say's I don't make delicious soup that one day soon, you will be 'gagging' for?

As I said! non the need to worry about "Darling", I will keep you all cheery!

Anyone for "Soup"? only 30pence a Bowl, with a buttered roll!

:)

15

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 02:01:48


And!, 'OF-COURSE' we will be haveing the inroduction of, 'Food-Tokens' again! so you see, it is NOT all,...

.... Doom-and-Gloom'!



16

Bejjy,

Europe 23/04/2009 02:03:32
#19 Charles Linskaill,

Less of the Cheek!, if the 'Soup-Kitchens', were good enough for many in the last times of 'great recession' and wars, I do not see why they won't be a benefit to many in times of this recession!

Sorry Charles, I'm obviously not of your great age or have your great experience to remember the events and times of which you speak.

BTW Will you be issuing free cardboard boxes and would I also be issued, free of charge, with a plasma TV and a PC when I come to the soup kitchen? I will pay for the soup.
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 02:04:05


It is late, forget the spelling mistake (having) ~20

18

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 02:12:26


Bejjy ~21,

"BTW Will you be issuing free cardboard boxes and would I also be issued, free of charge, with a plasma TV and a PC"

Now, Now!, do not get Greedy!, 'Greed' if you remember, put us all in this predicament, in the first place!

The 'Cardboard-Box', you can have, or if you are more in need, a nice, 'Wheelie-Bin'. courtesy of Edinburgh Council, will keep you dry and warm over night!


19

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23/04/2009 02:18:20
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20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 02:21:49

A Soup-Kitchen to offer you, your meal-of-the day!

A Wheelie-Bin, to live-in, Coutsey EDC!

What more can one ask for! in times like these?

Call it,......'Pure-Bliss'!


21

Bejjy,

Europe 23/04/2009 02:40:34
24 Dr Qaisar Rashid,

Although you are totally off topic, your comment is utter rubbish. These men were arrested and detained and will be deported as a matter of national security. In the UK, their human rights are not as important as the human rights of the people of the UK who look to the police and security services to protect them from extremists and terrorists whatever means that takes. Why you are addressing this issue of not being able to comment to a Scottish newspaper I am not sure. I suggest that you read the national press and the regional press of the regions in which these men were arrested and you will be left in no doubt about what the British people feel on this issue. The British Government or British people have nothing to be ashamed of re this issue.
22

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 02:47:38


Bejjy ~26,

Agrred!

23

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 02:48:42


Agree!

24

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 03:40:08
Disagree. The security services work for their paymasters in the City of London. They don't care at all for the people of Britain and their own terrorist outfits are quite capable of setting of bombs and killing people. The media get a prepared story and the UK government "finds it a good time to bury bad news".
25

W Smith,

Middle East 23/04/2009 03:48:09
You know when Salmond is s out of his depth completely when Denis Healey startst talking more sense than our First Minister.

Our Denis said that Britains Public Sector has twice as many employees than it needs.

That's coming from a tax and squander Leftie who ruined Britain's economy in the Seventies.

A fact that the anti-Thatcher Scots have managed to erase from their memories.

Very convenient.

BTW
So another one of Labour's spending sprees has ended in tears.

Surprise Sur-friggin-prise.
26

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 04:25:59
It would depend on what the public sector is doing. When we were at war, everyone capable was working for the public sector to some extent and that was Britain's finer moment. The UK is run from London as if we still had an empire and power devolves to the provinces then to colonies like Scotland. It as very top heavy and inefficient organisation.

If regional banking was servicing regional industries, farming etc. that would work but it's not the UK way. Regional authorities could have some shareholding in local companies which could pay some dividend and reduce local taxation.

If everyone worked for private corporations and the government took orders from them, it's technically called facism and also undesirable.
27

Aussielassie,

Sydney 23/04/2009 04:31:35
25*
Soup Kitchen and a Wheelie Bin ! And the Fringe Festival will go on.........! All sound good enough for me!
28

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 04:49:59
Linkskail's All-Night Soup Kitchen, Internet Café & Tramworks

It's what Princes Street needs now we're into the "Festival Season" which runs till beyond Christmas

Do you get an orthopedic (recyclable) matress and pillow with your reclining wheelie bin? We'd need an organic portaloo and handbasin to keep it legal

But as MacDiarmid remarked: the Scottish Intellectual must live in Edinburgh

I can do a good hebridean broth and italian bean soup, he says, stepping up to the plate.

29

Ubi,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 05:08:25
It is arguable that the government’s Madoff projections for a magical resumption of 3.5% growth by 2011 would result in criminal prosecution for false accounting in most spheres of life.

It no longer raises any questions about the probity of the government and its ministers. We are already well aware that they are a gang of ruthless and cunning liars and thieves, much worse than anything even Orwell envisaged.

But who, or what apparatus of state, prepared these figures? The government membership would have trouble switching on a PC, let alone producing such a sophisticated web of sophistry and deceit.

The government requires its secretariat to crunch the numbers. So these entirely bogus figures have been produced for the government by a supposedly impartial civil service. Why? Cui bono?

And how does it work? The big lie that most people reading this newspaper can see straight through from a mile away? How can the big lie keep working even after every Labour government has left office with the economy wrecked?

One thing seems clear. The more they’re rumbled the more they take draconian powers to keep scrutiny at bay.

Is it the golden sum? The secret chord that pleased the Lord? Do they with their manic grins and fingers in the till fool enough of the gullible and add this figure to the legions of souls kept chained on state dependency, never to vote for Christmas?

Don’t count some of them and count others in a funny sort of way and Lo! We get a Mother of Parliament.

The most frightening aspect of even these happy borrowing projections is that there might actually be no requirement for much of it to be repaid. Historically, the surest way to brush off the consequences of government fraud is to get stuck in to a decent war.
30

blackops,

23/04/2009 05:26:33
thank goodness - this is the end of Labour. The only people to blame are the govt themselves and those who voted them in during the 90's. Broon himself set about detroying the economy from the time when he was chancellor and Ali D is folloing his footsteps. Now we need a new Maggie Thatcher to put things right - and now no doubt i will be thoroughly abused for suggesting this but she did a damn site better than Broon and Co.
31

blackops,

23/04/2009 05:35:48
#17 - the illegals do most of the jobs that we wont do ourselves, many office cleaners etc..... are done by illegals as, and this is not a generalisation of everybody, in places like London it seems no one else will clean the offices at night time and do other jobs like this.
32

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 05:58:19
35 blackops
Don't be too worried about your suggestion. Many will agree with you. Consider the following :

The labour govt are going to take total national debt to 80% of GDP. As has been pointed out the UK will spend more on debt interest than it will on education.

When Margaret Thatcher left office in 1990, debt had been reduced to just 26% of GDP - a positively utopian level by today's standards. She left a legacy of a sound and healthy fiscal postion. Labour will leave a legacy of huge debt to burden future generations.
33

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 06:08:04
30 W Smith
"So another one of Labour's spending sprees has ended in tears."

Indeed so. Please read my post 37.

There is another factor to consider. I remember one politician claiming some years ago that every Labour govt in UK history had left office with unemployment higher than when it entered office.

Yesterday the unemployment figures showed that the level is now higher than when Labour came to power in 1997. Here we are again.
34

For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 23/04/2009 06:28:48
Fantasy Island.
35

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 06:29:21
We're beyond a decent war. "The West" possesses a nightmare assortment of weapons of mass destruction including bio-terrorism which it's used on its own troops. Cruise missiles and stealth bombers are only the televised show of it.

Asia has more people and the arms and cohesion to fight a conventional war -- it won't be. But the counter-threat is to take out the West's elite: essentially the Rockefeller-Roschilde group though it goes by an assortment of names. And there's division here. Some of them don't want to spend the rest of their lives in an air-conditioned bunker if a hot war gets out of control as could easily happen.

So it's brinkmanship and we hope a deal. The western elite have no merit whatsoever. The NWO plan was to wipe out most of the planet's population and return the remnant to neo-feudalisms and they'd run it.

Chinese are expert at secret societies so I've no notion of the Plan. Very little. Yet it seems to want to maintain humankind at its present population which is possible if the clean energy technologies classified by the Militaries are put into civilion production. It's part of the deal.

There's no much we can do, though I don't think it's an excuse for mindless hedonism.
36

Marian,

23/04/2009 06:34:07
The UK Labour party has always been congenitally pre-disposed to imposing high taxes on every citizen and spending like there was no tomorrow, and the so-called New Labour party under Blair and Brown are no exception.

In fact Brown has taken this track record to unprecedented new levels with his numerous stealth taxes and his reckless spending more than he was receiving in taxes during the past 11 years (i.e. running a deficit budget, during the so-called "good" economic years).

History shows us that every time there has been a Labour government in the UK it has created an economic crisis because of its congenital inability to properly manage the UK's finances. This present New Labour government is no exception to that track record.

The true, absolutely dire, present state of the UK public finances is only now really hitting home yet to many people. Even before any recession they were a total mess. With reduced tax receipts even the New Labour governments mad borrowing binge will not be enough, and their predictions of a return to positive growth are hopelessly optimistic.

Brown and Darlings management of the UK economy is not fit for purpose and millions of people in the UK will lose their jobs because of New Labour during the next few years.
37

Rock Lobster,

23/04/2009 06:42:43

Chae at 22 havering is the word your looking for.
38

The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 07:10:05
Over to you, Mr Cameron....
39

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 07:38:08
44 The Tin Man
"Over to you, Mr Cameron...."

Actually David Cameron might be wondering if he really wants to win the next election. The debt being incurred is huge and Darling's projected growth figures look to be delusionally optimistic.

There is going to have to be large cuts in spending and tax increases on all people (not just the rich) to deal with the situation. If the Labour govt won't do it then the IMF will eventually force them to do it as they did in 1976.

Cameron's best position may well be a weak or minority Labour govt elected and struggle hopelessly with these problems in a manner that is evident to all. He can then look for a big win in a few years time.
40

Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 07:42:32
I think we'll start seeing the blading of Comrade Broon by his 'loyal' backbenchers who are cr@ping themselves about the next election.

The required stalking donkey will be led out in around a month, but Our Dear Leader won't go quietly!!!

Should be funny if it wasn't so sad.

All this economic misery just so one man's wish to be PM could be granted.
41

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 07:50:33
I shall be celebrating Peppercorn Day Rufarse.

BTW, it's always nice to see an Irishman making negative comments about independence.....
42

Gazzza,

Royal Berkshire 23/04/2009 07:50:42
Goodbye to the socialists come the next election and good riddance. Just a shame that the Peoples Republic of Scotland will still be voting for either them or their country cousins in the Scot. Nats.

While the rest of Great Britain sees a turnaround under the Tories, Scotland's economy will continue to toil under its lunatic left wing attitude.

Britain must pull togethe under a right of centre approach, look to its Commonwealth and to the USA to develop a recovery that can be sustained by all and put pressure on the EEC to stop giving out membership without thought of the consequences to impoverished countries who do little for the growth of the major industrial countries in the old EEC.
43

The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 07:50:46
#45 Ugly

With Labour having produced a non-budget (basically giving-up), the Lib Dems, and the SNP (admittedly irrelevent, but they would be saddled with immense debt if given fiscal responsibility), all wanting to spend their way out of debt / recession (and this is eye-watering debt), I hope Osborne is willing to bite the bullet.
44

jane shore,

london 23/04/2009 07:53:49

A "Happy St George's Day' Roseblue @ 43. I think not, a couple of Scots have put paid to that.
45

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 07:59:54
51

jane shore

Absolutely nothing to stop you waving your wee St George's cross and getting to the pub to celebrate it. To mention the nationality of the leaders of this union is racism as it implies a deragatory reference.
46

Linda,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 08:01:12
Where are the strident articles and editorials from Scotland on the increse of tax rate buy 25% increase in tax for the super rich?

I do remember the daily tirade by journalists and Labour placemen about a little Local Income Tax difficulty of 3% increase for the very rich.
47

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 08:03:39
Some good new is that the Electric Universe model is consistent with the observations of the entire solar system heating up, and actually EXPLAINS the overall findings. Given the current quiescence of sunspot activity, we have probably already turned the corner of the cycle and are heading back into a global cooling period.

Worst Case Scenario would be where expensive, disruptive efforts are made by humanity at the urging and political pressure of the Global Warming Alarmists, and that these somewhat coincide with the NATURAL CYCLE of cooling.

It's not surprising that the IMF has subbed the UK a little dosh to stop them running around like clucking chickens hankering for the golden age of Thatcherism free markets, glorious deregulation and any special relationship with the US of A.

Money is created out of nothing. To think otherwise is a delusion. The IMF knows there's not a hope in Hull of getting it back, but that doesn't matter. After the Tories there was precious little to sell off though Labour did their blairest.
48

jane shore,

london 23/04/2009 08:06:05

apologies Dave from Barra (53) I did say a couple of Scots, not all of you.

Pimms & Morris dancing in back garden has been cancelled tonite, shame as the weather is sublime.


49

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 08:06:09
50 The Tin Man
"I hope Osborne is willing to bite the bullet."

I hope so as well but it is going to be very difficult for him. Public expenditure is getting out of control and needs to be reigned back but if he does it he will face all the usual rhetoric of "Tory cuts"

That is why it might be better for the Tories to get the IMF to do the dirty work for them. If the debt gets so bad that the govt cannot sell its bond issues there will be an immediate crisis. The IMF might step in but if they do they will insist on cuts in public spending to bring the situation under control.
50

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 08:10:34
jane shore

Try it again without the reference to nationality.

BTW, nice to know you are a Catholic at heart what with your wanting to celebrate St George's day. When was the last time you were at mass?
51

TWC,

exLabour 23/04/2009 08:13:22
The Labour MPs with one voice said you cannot cut your way out of recession like the Tories suggest but that is exactly what they propose to do in Scotland Irelend and wales.
If it is efficiency savings then the MSPs need to agree it and then hand it back.
That and the fact that the efficiency savings won't start until after the election.
If it is required do it now for maximum benefit.
52

Skatedad,

23/04/2009 08:16:31
More pubs closing.The working man shafted again with rise in beer prices.New Li*bour "the worker's party" your having a laugh!!!
53

vernon,

callander 23/04/2009 08:21:36
Brilliant budget for those on medium incomes and children. Thank you Mr Darling
54

jane shore,

london 23/04/2009 08:23:04

Dave from Barra (58)

Was St George a Catholic ? Thought he was Turkish, probably a Muslim. .

Forget race & religion I'm really celebrating The Bard of Stratford's birthday.......... ...Happy Birthday Will.
55

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 08:25:09
Price of fags go up
Price of booze goes up

Both to be used to back fill this seemingly bottemless hole of debt.

Government initiatives to stop us smoking (smoking ban etc, prescribed NRT etc)
Government initiatives and public outcry regarding our profligate boozing.

Want to really f_kc things up? Stop drinking and smoking today and really do use your car less for a 6 months and see what happens....
56

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 08:26:39
jane shore

Saint George? SAINT George. I think it's all in his title, no?

Happy Peppercorn Day.
57

Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 08:43:14
Has anyone heard from Iain Gray, New Labour Sleaze's North British rep, on his thoughts about the budget??

Or has he not received his script from London yet???
58

The Ayrshire Bard,

23/04/2009 08:44:47
When Susan Boyle buys her mansion maybe the Brown and Darling families will be able to sqeeze into her council house. Mind you, the good people of West Lothian might not be too happy to have such losers as neighbours.
59

Scotfree,

Erskine 23/04/2009 08:55:48
The tax increases will not apply to the royal family or their estates or Government ministers MPs and expenses and pensions or to the ex-pat Russian mafia and others who paid for their seats in the House of Lords (so the premier league and Sky will not be interrupted – beer and circuses).
As I predicted at the time, the theft of Scotland’s banks will not lead to the demise of the liberation struggle but to the collapse of the British economy and the end of the City of London as a global financial centre.
We are fettered to a corpse. The only convincing solution to vast debts created by blunderer Brown is the 20% increase in Scottish oil production. Once again England expects Scotland’s oil, the casino has run out of money and needs to be restocked at Scotland’s expense.
The choice is simple. Continue with lost opportunities, rotten health, roads and transport, declining industries with investment and talent and growth going South all paid for with Scotland’s oil or vote and support the liberation of Scotland from this festering corpse, use our wealth to rebuild Scotland, end our separation from Europe, Scandinavia, Ireland and the World, from the endless drone of English oppression and become a free nation again.
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Stan Butler,

23/04/2009 09:15:18

#67 Scotfree

'the theft of Scotland’s banks'

Don't you mean theft BY Scotland's banks?
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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 23/04/2009 09:16:17
#66 Bard - By the way, on Miss Boyle, I do feel it is disgraceful that a 48 year old spinster is living in a FOUR bedroomed council house when there are families with 4+ children crammed into inadequate accommodation, with no hope of a larger house for years!
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awhl,

the land of cockayne 23/04/2009 09:16:45
It's worth noting the debt is so great because of the failures of one or two Scottish banks and their chief executives. I'd like to see Scotland going independent with the combined debts of HBOS and RBS to handle, given that it has almost broken the finances of the UK.
How do you think we would cope with the swinging cuts that the Irish have just undertaken. Scotlands economy is 50+% dependent on the public sector, the Irish is just 20-30% thats 20% of the economy has to be removed, 20% of the workforce sacked, 20% of pensions taken away, 20% of benefits taken away, the health service abolished.
Is that what independence means?
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AJ Fife,

23/04/2009 09:18:09
Jamieson's article puts the boot into Broon and Darling good and proper.

Is the Scotsman ditching New Labour and turning Tory Unionist instead?
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jdships,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 09:23:42
46 Jimmy Le Pie,
Excellent post
Think you are nearer the truth than even you may think !!
As a "very sebior citizen" what really worried me is the legacy Broen/Darling/NewLabour are leaving my children and grand children.
The financial situation does/will not affect either of them in the short or long term.
Who says crime doesn't pay.
Feel sorry for David Cameron and Alex Salmond who will have to get us out of this mess - hopefully !!
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 23/04/2009 09:24:57
It is a time of unprecedented national crisis. Our national finances are in their most desperate state since the end of World War II more than 60 years ago. Unemployment surges ahead, economic growth has collapsed, and politically the far Right is on the warpath. Britain's very creditworthiness is in the balance. Yet Darling shied away from the tough decisions. He lacked the courage to take on the spending lobbies that now control ZANU Labour. Instead of the powerful and clear-headed Budget the occasion called for, yesterday's drivel was a demeaning mixture of outright dishonesty and low political stratagem. As with all economic statements in the Brown era, it relied on fraudulent statistics, re-announcements and bogus initiatives. Darling’s ludicrous financial forecast was trashed within hours by the IMF. This desperate final bid to get the Labour Party out of trouble was risible. I suspect deep down that Darling knows he has been used as a patsy by his erstwhile “friend”.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 23/04/2009 09:32:44
Just like his namesake in Blackadder he should go over the top and take his wretched troops with him.
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Sedov,

23/04/2009 09:32:57
Well done Alister, at least you have taxed the rich and the daily Express is not best pleased that the 1%of the nation earning over £150,000 a year will be paying more tax -stuff em.

anyone who thinks that the Tories,Tartan Tories or the wish party of the Lib Dems would come up with anything better should wake up and smell the cofee.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 09:34:37
Has Lard Foolkes had any thoughts on the budget or is his mind still addled with the bevy??
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smokey joe 1,

23/04/2009 09:36:20
Broon and Purnell are on EBC evading questions and driveling the usual patronising labour P!sh.


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smokey joe 1,

23/04/2009 09:37:46
75 Sedov,
Hilarious,are you drunk?
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Ananurhing,

23/04/2009 09:42:21
#65 Jimmy Le Pie

I think even Slab realise Gray's out of his depth on this. The best they could manage was cabbage patch Kerr on Newsnicht, sounding like he was stuck in a loop and being cut off in mid anti SNP mantra by Brewer. Same old same old Labour.
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hibbyspurs,

23/04/2009 09:47:43
#45 - Your having a laugh arent you?

David Cameron would want a minority Labour Govt at the next election?

Nonsense.

That is quite possibly the worst thing that could happen at the next general election, apart from anything else in regards to David Cameron, failure to win the 2010 election would cost him his job as Conservative party leader.

For the rest of us what the entire UK needs from a general election in 2010 is to elect a strong majority government with a proper mandate to rectify the mess the current Labour government have got us all into.

David Cameron is on record as saying that he knows tough and painful decisions will need to be made but I for one am prepared to accept that pain for a few years if it makes the country a better place again. I just hope that the man is strong enough to lead a government which will inflict this pain on the electorate, eventually such a man would be remembered as a hero.

Make no mistake a Tory (or any other) government next year will have to raise taxes on everyone, cut public spending to the core & generally claw in every single pound coin they can to repay this debt and balance the books. Theres only ever been one party capable of doing this and it isnt Labour.

I just wish that a new government could start today before the current bunch of incompetents screw everything up even more than they already have done.

New Labour was always just Old Labour masquerading itself a centre party, yesterday the mask came off and the real horror show of old Labour came back to haunt every last one of us.
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David55,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 09:48:54
There's a horrible sense of inertia about all this. Why can't they just call a general election now! New Labour are done for and they are just dragging it out to save their jobs. Shameful.
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David55,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 09:55:39
#75 - do stop tapping at the keyboard, there's a good chap. Rewarding failure and incompetence with your vote is a sure sign of stupidity.

What have the Lib-dems ever done to you? Or the SNP for that matter? The only parties that have been in power at Westminster in recent times are the Tories and Labour. Neither of whom have done a very good job. The Tories will probably get in again but they won't be doing it with my vote. Safe to say that Labour will not be getting my vote either.
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hibbyspurs,

23/04/2009 09:55:47
#81

Would you call a general election if it was your job that was on the line?

Make no mistake that Labour will cling on until the very las day because right now hundreds of Labour MP's are facing the "sack" and losing their cush £60K+ a year job to someone else.

That sadly is and always will be the fundamental problem with politics, the people we elect will do anything they can to protect their "job" and to hell with the rest of us.

Gordon Brown will be remembered as a prime minister who never won an election as well. Even John Major managed to pull one of them off in 1992 with the tories out on their uppers!
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Ananurhing,

23/04/2009 10:00:14
Talking of being out of their depth.
Just seen Purnell trying to speak "street" to the yoof of Noaf Landin, and getting it horribly wrong.

And Broon sounds like he's on drugs! Investing in young people will get us all out of this mess! Trite garbage!
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David55,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 10:09:16
#83 - That's the problem. They are supposed to serve the people, but really they only give a monkeys about themselves. Me, me, me.

I'm a child of the Thatcher years, so there's no danger i'd give up my job either, if I was them. However, I move jobs all the time, so if I had to move again, or start my own business to get work, then it wouldn't faze me. Another bonus of growing up under Thatcher; I know what being made redundant feels like.
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David55,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 10:17:23
Gordon Brown is my MP. I would love to see him booted out, but it'll never happen. His seat is one of the 'monkey in a red rosette' seats.
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TWC,

exLAbour 23/04/2009 10:27:34
This cannot be allowed to go on, the uk is being destroyed by Labour in before our very eyes. I don't expect the Labour poodles/ Trolls as the Nats call them to ever question this disaster of a leadership but all the other thinking voters must be aware that we are being run by Robert Mugabe's apprentice.
We need a rebellion by Labour back benchers especially at Holyrood. What is the point of having Labour MPs at Holyrood if the Treasury & Brown are going to tell us how to budget.
C'mon Wendy let's hear from you and wee Jackie.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 10:34:24
-- tough and painful decisions will need to be made

I doubt that you understand how stock markets in the electronic age work. It's entirely a super-computer simulation. It has some, but very distant connection with stuff actually manufactured, shipped and sold.

I know how the mathematics works! the concept, just like you can drive a car but no nothing of the design and mechanics of it. I could explain further, as I know some maths - but - the point is as raider - a pirate - you employ the brains, the post grad people - to do the dirty for you. You shock the system (it's global, interconnected) and withdraw the money to your private account before the market can react. It's that simple. (just like karate?)

That David Cameron will ever make a tough and painful decision that hurts him personally, financially is beyond delusion. People may be destitute on the street in Bangladesh or Huddersfield because of his tough and and painful decisions but he doesn't give a tory hoot for them!
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 23/04/2009 10:38:36

THE ONLY GOOD TO COME OUT OF THIS DISATER WILL BE THE END OF THE LABOUR SCUM.

IT CANT COME QUICK ENOUGH!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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hibbyspurs,

23/04/2009 10:44:42
#88

Another left wing socialite who spins someone elses comment to try and derde the Conservative Party.

Did I at any point say it would hurt Cameron personally?

No

Did I say he was on record as saying tough decisions would have to be made that would hurt every person in this country?

Yes

As for your oh so snobby take on being more intellectual than me... Maybe you are most likely you aren't...

By "tough decisions" we all know that Cameron & Osbourne are talking about putting VAT up to record levels and having to put income tax up to the likes of 22/23%, to balance out Labours financial disaster. This will cause real pain to people in their pockets and a party seen as a tax cutting party will be the one shouldered with the task of doing it.

You dont need a super-computer to work out that VAT at say 20% & Income tax at 22% will hurt now do you?

However you go on believing the calls from downing street of "all is well" and continue your outdated, unwarranted baiting and derision of the tory party because your so left wing your off the stage.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 10:50:03
Did anyone notice Andy Kerr saying on Newnicht that the Scottish Government should be selling off assets!!

Presumably all that's left to sell is Scottish Water, The Forestry and the NHS!!

Yes, true socialists indeed!!!!
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 10:57:39
Imagine failing on another part of their 2005 manifesto:-

"We will not raise the basic or top rates of income tax in the next Parliament."

Arf arf arf.
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THE REAL BLOCKEM,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 11:01:09
blackops at 36 ....

Illegals shouldn’t be doing any jobs in Britain - they are illegal - they are not allowed to work - understand? asylum seekers should not be doing any jobs in Britain - they are not allowed to work - understand? FAILED asylum seekers should not even be in Britain - they have been legalliy informed that they have no legal or moral right to be in Britain - understand? Which means, that most of these illegal immigrants / asylum seekers / failed asylum seekers are probably picking up an illegal wage and claiming illegal benefits - understand.

And with the millions, yes millions of jobs which are disappearing, who says ‘‘WE’’ wont want to do these jobs - these jobs that the illegals are doing illegally.
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Ewan Randall,

23/04/2009 11:07:16
Is the recession a V, U or L?
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Ewan Randall,

23/04/2009 11:11:01
Can any honest supporter of the Scottish government attack the westminster government for not sticking to their manifesto?

Can any honest supporter of the westminster government attack the Scottish government for not sticking to their manifesto?
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hibbyspurs,

23/04/2009 11:12:09
#95

Lets just hiope it doesnt turn out to be an "I", at least the "L" would bottom out!
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 11:18:23
96

Just pointing out that Labour lied in their manifesto. The SNP so far hasn't delivered on some parts because they don't have a majority. Labour with a whopping majority simply lied. End of.
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Ananurhing,

23/04/2009 11:21:16
Hahahaha! This is priceless.

Broon, "Of course we can't have anything other than sustainable public finances"

Wid ye credit it? No? Neither would the IMF, or the gilt markets! Or New Labour's former financial guru, Derek Scott, who's on the BBC this morning blaming both Broon and Blair for this current disaster.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2009 11:24:18
95 Ewan

I heard it was a "W"
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2009 11:26:05
Did anyone hear the odious Murphy yesterday inplying that Scotland by being in the Union was not so bad as Iceland or Ireland. Let's just see if we get out of recession before or after them.
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Tris,

23/04/2009 11:46:16
Whitehall farce.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 11:48:34
Dithering Darling Debt Dilema

Bumbling Broon's Billions Blunder

Sorry Billions should be Trillions



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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 11:50:33
Next

Terrible Tory Trillion Trauma
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TWC,

exLabour 23/04/2009 11:55:44
100 connaughtboy

I thought it was "W" but with a continued Labour Government Ewan may be right with his "L" suggestion
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

23/04/2009 12:02:34
Labour can think of no solution other than resurrecting the debt bubble which got us into this chaos in the first place.

They're out of ideas, they're out of money, and we can only hope that they'll soon be out of power.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 12:04:41
In a grim assessment of global prospects, the IMF again drastically cut its forecasts for key economies across the world. It blamed the continuing blight from severe financial stresses for a worsening global outlook.

For Britain, the fund inflicted a double blow to Alistair Darling minutes after the Chancellor unveiled his Budget. It forecast that the UK economy would shrink by 4.1 per cent this year, markedly worse than Mr Darling's new projection of a 3.5 per cent decline, and said the recession would drag on into 2010, with a further drop of 0.4 per cent in GDP next year

BRING IT ON!
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 12:11:37


Whitehall departments face big spending cuts over the next four years after the decision to claw back £18 billion a year to help to pay off public debt.

Capital spending will be halved from £44 billion next year to £22 billion in 2013-14, halting plans for infrastructure projects such as hospitals, motorways, waste plants and schools.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 12:12:53
Published: 22/04/2009

PROPOSALS: The planned £115 million emergency care centre will replace 40% of current patient facilities at the Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.
More Pictures

THE first images have been unveiled of the new £115 million emergency care centre in Aberdeen.

NHS bosses said the seven-storey accident and emergency centre will transform the way patients in the most dire need are cared for.

And the images show how the state-of-the art emergency care centre will dwarf the other buildings already in place at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.

Around 260 beds will be available at the Aberdeen facility, three quarters of them in single rooms with en-suite toilets and showers to reduce infection risks, with around 70,000 patients using the emergency care centre every year.

The massive building will replace more than 40% of existing inpatient facilities at Aberdeen Royal Infirmaryl.
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Arfur,

23/04/2009 12:39:07
3.5% growth forecast in 2011 - what planet is this incompitant living on?

I couldnt believe it - on newsnight last night GB seemed to agree with the SNP representative re ID cards etc.

And now this - the hootsman laying in to L!ebour*, Broon and Darling. Tides a turning me thinks.

Why cant i put Lie in here anymore hootsman?
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 12:39:34
Disadvantaged young people will be given the chance to undertake work placements under one of the first projects to be supported by the Scottish Government's £1 million Social Entrepreneurs Fund.

The new fund was launched to get new social enterprises off the ground, enabling them to help get people into work and keep Scotland's economy moving.
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 12:45:42
You'll not even get a 3.5% growth with Viagra.

(apparently)
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Jay Kay,

23/04/2009 12:56:17
What really pi**ses me of is next year Darling and BRoon will be sitting front bench heckling the new Government of this country with the b*lls to say it's their fault. The new government who ever that may be (probalbly Cameron) will really be taking on a poisoned chalice. And that B*stard Broon will still be there drawing a salary, the cheek is unbeleivable.
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view from the grassy knoll,

23/04/2009 12:58:36
Moron has been indulged enough
if there is any shred of decency left in the LP it must get rid now and take its chances with a snap election.
our economic travails are rooted in moron's chancellorship - billions wasted (redistribution of wealth and fanciful projects - NHS IT anyone?).
He manoeuvred himself into the top job through deceit, arm twisting and fear instilled by his McDogs and McCronies - the man is a disgrace. No wonder the City loved him with his Lord of the Flies governance system.
None of the big issues have been tackled - cost of public sector pensions/ID cards/worthless degrees.
Directionless, spineless.
and things can get worse
round to jaqui's for a fillum methinks.....

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Tartan Viking,

23/04/2009 13:03:32
When is the General Election?
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 13:07:49
A happy St George's day to the good people of England, Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia, Portugal, Cyprus, Greece, Georgia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Moscow, Genova, Ljubljana, Beirut, Qormi and Victoria in Malta.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:11:11
# 116

So we have 14% interest rates to look forward to, and let's not forget Guinea Pig Scotland will be tried and tested yet again.

No offence to Guinea Pigs

Hope your Great Country (England) unites
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 13:12:04
He was Turkish wasn't he?
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:12:33
Some supporters of Cornish self-government question the legitimacy of English rule in Cornwall, due to the failure of the former Parliament of England to ever pass an Act of Union, although their claims are not generally recognised within the United Kingdom (or sometimes within Cornwall itself). However, many see some degree of autonomy as a stepping stone towards this, and are supportive of the Cornish Assembly Campaign.[4]
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 13:13:01
Hi kimba!
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:14:13
# 120

A Roman centurion I believe, although some say a Knights Templar that killed a dragon in a Libyan Loch
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:16:27
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

We, the English, are a people and a nation.

We, the English, have existed as a people living in the land of England for 1500 years, and it is our intention to continue to live eternally as a people in the land of England.

We. the English, declare our intention to
preserve our identity, our unity, and our independence.

We, the English, wish to live in harmony with all other
nations around the world in a state of peace and goodwill.

We, the English, wish to cooperate fully in
the effort by all nations around the world to work
together to create a secure and prosperous world based
on the integrity of each nation-state.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:18:48
We, the Scots, are a people and a nation.

We, the Scots, have existed as a people living in the land of Scotland for thousands of years, and it is our intention to continue to live eternally as a people in the land of Scotland.

We. the Scots, declare our intention to
preserve our identity, our unity, and our independence.

We, the Scots, wish to live in harmony with all other
nations around the world in a state of peace and goodwill.

We, the Scots, wish to cooperate fully in
the effort by all nations around the world to work
together to create a secure and prosperous world based
on the integrity of each nation-state.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 13:19:16
121 Big Dave
Are they hoping for oil or some mineral to be discovered under the sea of the coast of Truro.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:26:40
Surveys have been carried out off Cornwall, I remember we drill off Haverford West in the early 80s with Britoil.

It was a tight well no information was released on the logs.

Draw your own conclusions, look no further than the Irish Sea.....
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:28:09
As for minerals plenty of tin at Tintagel
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:31:14
The Golden Hind eh?

If taxes increase any further it'll be more like the Mary Celeste in Britain.

Will the last Brit to leave please turn the lights off.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

Cyprus 23/04/2009 13:32:10
# 130

Aren't you mistaking Prince Phillip for St George?
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

Wicki 23/04/2009 13:33:22
Saint George of Lydda (ca. 275/281 – April 23, 303) was according to tradition,[2] a Roman soldier in the Guard of Emperor Diocletian, venerated as a Christian martyr. In Christian hagiography Saint George is one of the most venerated saints in the Catholic Church, Anglican Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches, and the Eastern Catholic Churches. He is immortalised in the tale of George and the Dragon and is one of the Fourteen Holy Helpers. His memorial is celebrated on 23 April. He is regarded as one of the most prominent military saints.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:34:21
St. George is the patron saint of Aragon, Catalonia, England, Ethiopia, Georgia, Greece, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, and Russia, as well as the cities of Amersfoort, Beirut, Bteghrine, Cáceres, Ferrara, Freiburg, Genoa, Ljubljana, Gozo, Pomorie, Qormi, Lod and Moscow, Scouting, as well as a wide range of professions, organizations and disease sufferers.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:39:52
# 130

Jesus walked on the Sea of Galilee, a lot of Labour supporters thought Tony Blair could too.

As far as I know Tony is at work in the area, but not as a fisherman.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 13:41:12
#114 Jay kay

Do you think Comrade Broon's ego would let him sit on the opposition benches???

Also he has to get re-elected!!
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:47:47
# 136

How about Treasurer at his local Labour Party Club?
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:49:29
As for the headline

Darling BURYS UK deep into debt

Would have been more in keeping
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 13:50:13
Labour's Saint - St. Jude - Patron St. of lost causes.
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Richard Lionheart,

23/04/2009 14:15:37
Never mind, a sly smile from Gordon Brown as he reflects with joy on what he has achieved for Britain, and a new rhetoric for the moment and all will be well…….until the next change of rhetoric is needed.
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smokey joe 1,

23/04/2009 14:16:13
"Saint Jude, Hope of the Hopeless,
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 14:29:14
Loony Labour Lemmings Last Leap
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2009 14:53:51
119 Explain the 14% interest rate comment?
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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 23/04/2009 16:05:06
Connaughtboy - interest rates in the early 1990s were 14% (or more, I thought) - that nearly crippled us - but we managed because our mortgage was only £23000 (not 10 times that, like now)
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Libertarian!,

23/04/2009 16:31:51
Why the many childish remarks?

The voters in our democracy of "freedom" chose those who now destruct the dis-united UK daily.

A very large % of our inhabitants don't even know who their MP OR COUNCILLORS ARE. So, what can one come to expect?

We must have - generally speaking - the most political
illeterate population in Western Europe, and no one more than our lying, corrupt politicians are well aware of this fact.

This is the reason for their brazen contempt of those who vote for them.

No doubt, if we could return in a hundred years time, we will still be typing out the same old familiar comments, about the same type of corrupt, lying legalised "crooks".
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Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 17:13:54
145 Most politically illiterate people don't vote. Of those that do, the majority (UK wide) have either voted Labour or Tory. So they can't really moan about things now in my view. You get what you voted for.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 17:15:18
146 Of those that do = of those people who do vote.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 17:50:39
148 and how many of the people who have benefitted from spiralling house prices, astonishingly easy access to personal credit, and increased public spending, said at the time that they objected to the economic policies of the last ten years ? How many of them would have voted for a Party who said they were going to actively dampen down the speculative bubble surrounding house prices and ensure people lived within their means ? We all know any Party who had stood on that basis would have lost their deposit.

Yes, let's blame the politicians, and the bankers, and the rest. But individual behaviour has been pretty woeful too. Greed is not good, well we are going to collectively learn that now.
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 23/04/2009 18:09:49
89*

ARE YOU MAD?

GOD BLESS WEE ECK.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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23/04/2009 19:14:39
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Truely English,

23/04/2009 19:20:27
Happy St. George's Day to you all.
Isn't it great to be British and English and Scots and Welsh and Irish on such an important day for Britain.

Today, we can see clearly that the Conservative Party will once more return to power and keep Britain as one Nation. What more could one ask for?
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23/04/2009 19:33:39
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Boab,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 20:41:25
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8015063.stm

"The UK is facing "two parliaments of pain" following the "breathtaking" damage to the economy, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has warned.

The government must close a £90bn hole to bring the budget into balance, the independent think-tank said.

That would cost every UK family £2,840 per year by 2017-18 in higher taxes or public spending cuts, it added."

I never tire of reminding people that back in 2007, Labour were trying to scare voters by saying independence would cost £5,000 per household, a one-off fee.
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Phil C,

23/04/2009 22:13:54
Independence..............NOW!
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Stan Butler,

23/04/2009 22:19:04
#153 Truely English

'What more could one ask for?'


Well the ability to spell correctly for one thing.
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Stan Butler,

23/04/2009 22:21:30
#149 Observer

A point I have made myself on this very site.

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