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Published Date: 24 April 2009
I HOPE you all had a happy St George's Day. Do not be alarmed. I am merely echoing the sentiment of the First Minister, Eckingham Salmond, in Holyrood yesterday. "I think it appropriate to congratulate the people of England on their national day," quoth he.
Funnily enough, I recall being despatched to Manchester once to report on the St George's Day celebration of Englishness. Outside a pub, patriotic football songs were sung, until two opposing sets of Mancunian fans set about each other, and the celeb
ration ended with a mass brawl conducted to the sound of smashing glass and police sirens.

Mind you, the hullabaloo at Holyrood yesterday wasn't much better. Blood wasn't spilled, but financial figures were thrown back and forth like missiles, and you'd be hard put to distinguish between the sound of a police siren and Cathy Craigie (Lab) wailing. Yup, the Labour harpies were back, and they were worse than ever. Cathy was sitting next to Lord Dod Foulkes, who maintains a non-stop barrage of abuse at the Nats. Is the combined effect statesmanlike? Is that the word I'm looking for? Perhaps not.

As for the proceedings more generally, imagine a curious alien fae ooter space visiting Holyrood. After having his tentacles frisked by security, it takes up its seat and watches everybody ganging up to pick on the roly-poly bloke in the middle, the very leader to whom he'd envisaged being taken. One after another, the downbeat dude, the doughty duchess, and the lean chap with the pointed proboscis holler at him that everything about the Budget is his fault. The alien has done some background reading. The big, proper government of this funny little country is in London. It looks after the economy. The economy is in a mess. Therefore, who do they all blame?

The roly-poly bloke! Our alien beams himself back to civilisation, feeling utterly bewildered.

That said, the three opposition leaders landed a few rhetorical punches yesterday. Generally, Eck bowls along on these occasions, regarding opponents as mere skittles to be flattened on his roly-poly way. But the skittles are righting themselves for a fightback.

Iain Gray, the Labour leader, still has the mien of a miffed butler (though any self-respecting aristo would sack him for loping) and, yesterday, he threw a tray of budgetary cocktails at Eck's heid. Ian's case was that lovely London was increasing expenditure in Scotia. Eck's response was that loathsome London was slashing spending here. As a journalist, I'm happy to admit I have no idea where the truth lies (though I have learned that truth can indeed lie – when selectively deployed).

Matters took a distressingly mathematical turn after Iain alluded to some alleged gaffe by Eck when asked by the BBC what you get when you divide 24 by zero. I do not watch children's television, so I missed the programme but, funnily enough, as a fan of Brian Taylor's blog, I'd noticed earlier in the week a manly apology from the estimable BBC reporter, in which he said he'd been wrong and Eck right. Eck had said the answer was infinity. Brian had said it was zero. The real answer is, of course, 41. Anyway, let's not go there. The gist of Iain's case was that Eck was just fiddling around with his laptop until he got the figure he wanted. Eck's finance man, John Swinney, had this to say: "Ooh!" He was right to say so. Fiddling with one's laptop is a serious allegation. The idea seemed to discomfit Eck, who declared to harpie hysteria: "I'll tell you the choices that we would make if we were in government." Er, you are in government, Eck. He probably meant proper, not pretendy, government.

Unpretentious Annabel Goldie bustled through these polluted waters like the battleship Brunnhilde, with a patterned doilie atop her mast. The Tory leader didn't blame Eck for the country's financial state, but wanted him to cope with the cuts rather than just bawling at Westminster.

Eck responded by bawling at Westminster. Annabel said: "There he goes again."

She added: "Can I just draw him back from the land of fantasy to the world of Scotland now, the land of reality?" What a cruel thing to do.

Blunder about in reality long enough and you're sure to encounter a Lib Dem searching for the exit. Tavish Scott, leader of that desperate band, summarised SNP policy thus: "Money to be spent on free school meals for rich kids. Money to be spent to reintroduce beavers in Argyll."

Poor Eck. Dammed if he does and dammed if he don't. Duncan "Disorderly" McNeil (Lab) proved he knew damn all about political grammar when he forgot to speak through the chair. He wasn't the first person to mix up the second and third person, but the following exchange was truly comical.

Duncan (addressing Eck directly): "Can you make a start to ensure … ?"

Presiding officer: "Through the chair, please, Mr McNeil."

Duncan: "Sorry. Can you ensure … ? Could you make sure … ?"

PO: "Can he make sure … ?"

Duncan: "Can he make sure … ?" Cheers all round. By George, he'd got it.



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1

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 00:03:55
Herald poll shows what we all thought, the SNP have a lead over Labour. Not good news for Iain Gray.
2

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 00:26:58
http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/news/display.var.2503940.0.Pressure_piles_on_Labour_as_the_SNP_power_ahead_in_the_polls.php
3

Don Roberto,

24/04/2009 00:27:28
Duncan MacNeill's galloping-foot-in-mouthitis was the highlight of the day. I'm sur ethe T-Mobile workers feel so much better for having him onside...

The Baron was lowing like a cow being raped by a lion. The folk in the public gallery were fair disenchanted with the Baron's complete lack of manners.
4

truthsleuth,

24/04/2009 00:34:05
Did the cow enjoy it
Did the lion enjoy it

Good luck to them
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24/04/2009 00:37:45
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24/04/2009 00:42:52
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Edward,

24/04/2009 01:33:05
Lovely headline in the Herald
'SNP soars ahead of Labour in new poll'
On "best First Minister" rating, Mr Salmond wins by 36% to 7% against Mr Gray.

Now that is very very funny,I wonder what kind of spin Labour willput on the fact that Ian Gray can only muster 7%!, its not even double digits!

The more Labour do and the more Brown does to control things and to control what we hear ,see and read, the more people realise that Labour are only in it for themselves.
But PLEASE dont let us get complacent ,Labour will employ every dirty trick in and out of the book to get at the SNP, weshould not count our chickens,,yet!
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24/04/2009 01:56:40
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donald,

glasgow 24/04/2009 06:09:15
Did Murph fly the Gorge flag at Ben Dover Hoose yesterday?
10

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/04/2009 06:28:22
Mr Salmond and his colleagues have told us ad nauseam about the £500million reduction/cuts in Scotlands Budget. Ms Goldie asked him what he was going to do about it and as Robert McNeil said he bawled at Westminster.
This tactic is beginning to grate but with the appalling mediocrities on the Labour Bench unable to pin him down he is getting away with it.
11

Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/04/2009 08:03:25
12
The whole parliament is beginning to grate. Mr Salmond doesn't seem to understand that more is expected of him than simply girning. We look to our first minister for leadership and vision.
Unfortunately when we look to the current first minister all we get is a sullen teenager sulking in his room greeting about how terrible his mum and dad are.
We deserve better.
12

TWC,

exLabour 24/04/2009 08:09:30
Funny as usual, though I think the problem for McNeil was that he was so busy trying to have a go at the the big steak pie he failed to get the help he was supposed to ask for Still I'm sure Salmond being practical will do what he can.
BTW we can do more if we change away from T Mobile
13

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 24/04/2009 08:16:27
Gray Ham

The reason you think that is what you get fae slamond is because of the way the lie-bore biased media portray him.

Anything can be spun to look like anything you want. We possibly deserve better but there are none on offer just now so we'll make do with somebody who is genuinely interested in Scoland as Scotland.
14

TWC,

exLabour 24/04/2009 08:23:01
13 Grahamski
Graham all these guys do is make Salmond look even better than he is (and he's GOOD)
He has nicked all the Scottish Labour ideas and the people trust him now. Those of us who wanted an independent Scottish Labour Party running Scotland using Fiscal Autonomy now see Salmond as the alternative; even if we won't vote for independence later.
15

TWC,

exLabour 24/04/2009 08:24:46
Cont'd
The latest poll is probably much more the kind of numbers I would have expected and if they are only half right then SLAB must act now.
16

Don Roberto,

24/04/2009 08:35:07
#13 "We look to our first minister for leadership and vision."

So you agree that these £500 million of cuts from the Scottish Budget are something Salmond should fight with visionary leadership?
17

TWC,

24/04/2009 08:37:22
18 Don Roberto,

Yes all MSPs should fight this. If there is to be an efficiency savings it should be offered by Holyrood.
Not cut by Westminster
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24/04/2009 08:44:04
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Don Roberto,

24/04/2009 08:45:31
#19 yep. Coming on top of the Scottish Government's own 2.5% savings which go a long way to helping Scots by freezing council taxes, cutting business rates, abolishing prescriptions etcetera it's a cut too much.
20

The Tin Man,

24/04/2009 08:45:36
Bizarly, when Salmond says that an increase in the block grant in 2009-2010 is a "cut", people actually believe him. I guess he knows the average IQ of his target audience.
21

Don Roberto,

24/04/2009 08:48:07
#22 Bizarly?

You're obviously not AM2, he has much better spelling.
22

The Tin Man,

24/04/2009 08:50:57
Conversely, the 3% LIT proposal would have resulted in a real drop in the Scotty gov's income (a drop of £200 million accoring the the SNP's figures, which can be tripled if anyone elses figures are to be believed).

Now they are up in arm about a £700 million increase in their revenues over 2009-2010. Very strange and slippery people, these politicians.
23

Ursus arctos horribilis,

24/04/2009 09:32:21
Liebor are facing oblivion-the sooner the better. Down sarf I reckon they will be lucky to finish third ahead of the Libs and even the BNP will push them in their traditional heartlands.

Good riddance -but Brown is surely assured of his place in history and will be remembered as the worst PM we never elected.
24

The Tin Man,

24/04/2009 09:34:35
#25 Ursus

...At least when you vote for the SNP you will be helping to increase the Conservative's Westminster majority next year.
25

TWC,

exLabour 24/04/2009 10:15:07
Salmond quoted the red book from Government, but whatever we've just been told the economy shrank by 1.9% and Darling still came out with those MAD recovery numbers just so his one year outlook would look better. By this time next month the Ball will be up on the slates.
Salmon is running away with Scotland the opposition are woeful and he is doing it with policies which John Smith used to tell us to adopt.
Nuclear Arms, Nuclear power, Council Tax and increased Fiscal powers.
SLAB need to break free.
26

Darien,

Panama 24/04/2009 10:25:42
What can anyone expect of three Quislings.
27

smokey joe 1,

24/04/2009 10:28:32
27
To many cowards in slab to break free.
They are like little children waiting for mummy to tell them what to say and do.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/04/2009 10:32:30
Ahh well . . . three sides dinnae care about Scotland - and that’s not the fantasy world right enough!

Vote for Labour, Conservative and Libs and your voting for foreign decision making telling you what’s good for you!
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GONNYNODEATHAT,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 11:03:01
What it Proved to me was that it Proved none of them are Fit to run the Scottish economy. They argue over the Scraps at the Table when the Country is heading for Bankruptcy. Independence is Now a Dead Duck and NuLabourLie will be wiped out at the Next Election.
30

Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 24/04/2009 11:23:50
#31

Surely a Conservative Government in Westminster makes it even more likely there will be independence.

If we get independence, there will never be a Labour Government in Westminster again as you are taking away 50 Scottish Labour seats, which in reality equates to a swing of 100. So the Conservative Government will secretly be happy to see us away. And so say all of us!
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 24/04/2009 11:27:02
#13 "The whole parliament is beginning to grate. Mr Salmond doesn't seem to understand that more is expected of him than simply girning. We look to our first minister for leadership and vision."

LOL!

Dear old Grahamski, you're always good for a laugh in the morning. We can count without fail on you telling us that the people are getting fed up of the First Minister, on the exact day that a new poll shows him stretching both his personal lead and the SNP's lead over the hapless idiots of Labour, as Gray plumbs ratings depths that even Wendy Alexander didn't sink to.
32

IainGlasgow,

24/04/2009 11:27:04
Annabel Goldie and Tavish Scott - the UK Labour Government's newest apologists.
33

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 11:34:24
#26 Tin Man

You are being disingenuous yet again. A vote for the SNP is not a vote to increase the Conservative majority. A vote for the SNP is a vote for the SNP just as a vote for Labour would be a vote for Labour. Neither will increase the Tory majority. The only way to do that would be to vote Tory.

I suspect that at the next General election the Tories will have a majority of over a hundred. All of this will come from England. If the Tories are lucky in Scotland at all it may only result in one seat. I think what you meant to say was that it would reduce Labour's vote. That's obvious. Frankly, I'd rather have twenty or so SNP MPs in Westminster than a feeble Labour party in post-election meltdown licking their wounds, fighting with one another, and wondering what to do.

I'll be voting SNP at the General Election. If England votes Tory as it looks set to do then I would like to think that Scotland will send David Cameron a clear message, that his electoral mandate in Scotland is limited.
34

IainGlasgow,

24/04/2009 11:34:28
#1

Labour think they turned a corner in Glenrothes. They certainly did, a corner in to a narrow dead-end alley in which the party's mangled corpse will probably be found lying the day after the General Election. Only divine intervention or postal ballot fraud can get them back on the street now.
35

kenbo9,

24/04/2009 11:42:06
31# recent events have strengthened the case for independence
36

TWC,

24/04/2009 11:42:10
Funnily enough SLAB should be in coalition with the Nats WHEN the Tories take power at Westminster with as much of Scotland's resources under their control.
Avoiding this means they are more concerned about the party than Scotland.
37

Edward,

24/04/2009 11:44:04
#26 Tinman
Actually recent findings by a poll of marginals by Politics Home found that Scotland would return between 30 to 35 SNP MP's to Westminster. So far from a Tory majority, the SNP will hold the whip hand!
A vote for Labour will be acomplete and utter waste of time as they will just carry on as before,but in opposition where as the SNP will ensure that they will put Scotland first
38

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 11:44:40
#36 IainGlasgow

Labour and their supporters in the media have managed to trun propaganda into self-delusion. One should never believe one's own lies. The last poll showing Labour had a lead was a fraud, based on a tiny number of voters. That the Scotsman ran with it and yet has failed to run with the current YouGov poll speaks volumes.

I think that at the next election David Cameron's English Majority will carry the day. He certainly looks set to have a majority of over a hundred or so. After their last defeat Labour came back as New Labour, a lurch to the right; where, I wonder, will they go after this next defeat? I'll be voting SNP to send a clear message to David Cameron that his electoral advantage stops at the border.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 11:59:28
I see Iain Gray's approval rating is 7% (2% below Wendy Alexander). I wonder who the next Labour leader will be. Stephen Purcell must have thought he'd have a look in, and for a while I thought he'd make a reasonable leader - but his popularity at the moment is probably lower than Iain Gray's.
40

TWC,

exLabour 24/04/2009 12:30:12
Nobody with any respect for themselves will take the SLAB leadership without autonmy to run the Scottish manifesto and that includes Fiscal control over taxes and oil.
Wee Wendy did 2 things independently the Referendum and the Calman commission, I thought the second one was a bad idea but Big Brown didn'r like any of them so OFF she went.
Jack McConnell was against Trident and promised a plan for Nuclear waste before he would build any Power Stations and he was off.

They are paying the penalty now because these 4 items are where the Nats are wiping the floor with Labour and to some extent the Libdems.
41

IainGlasgow,

24/04/2009 13:03:25
#40

I expect David Cameron to have the biggest majority in the entire history of the House of Commons with Labour being swept away. I don't think Tony Blair was this far ahead at this stage in 1996 and as unpopular as John Major's government was (though in retrospect I think he has been the most competent UK prime minister in my lifetime of 30 odd years), it didn't have anything like the sleaze, denial, corruption, meltdown (both in the party and the economy) and self-delusion that Gordon Brown's government is mired in.
42

Miss H,

24/04/2009 13:32:47
21 The SNP Government won't actually have to do anything about it though. The Government spends very little money directly. What they will have to do if it goes ahead is to reduce the budgers of health boards, local authorities and other public agencies who will then need to make cuts. Clearly the Government is not happy about that and are trying to prevent it. Whether they are successful will depend on the outcome of the Westminster election I think.

43

Miss H,

24/04/2009 13:33:36
Sorry that should have been to 12 not 21
44

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 13:38:21
#44 Baggy Troosers,

exactly right - the collapse in the Labour vote is happening in England where the Tories power base lies. The Tories are unlikely to win many seats in Scotland.

As for Tin Man's argument - he seems to think it matters at Westminster if you are a 100 seats behind the Tories or 120. Since Cameron will have a whopping majority generated from England we can safely say that returning Scottish Labour MPs will make no difference to his majority. However, we can hope that by returning 20 or more SNP MPs we will give a clear signal to David Cameron's Tories that Scotland will not endure another two decades of Conservative control from Westminster. We are beginning to see why Calman is of such importance and why it will be such a let down for most Scottish voters. It will offer little powers to Holyrood and may even take them from Holyrood and hand them to David Cameron.
45

Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/04/2009 13:40:30
46
Interesting point. However, the savings of £280 million identified by Mr Swinney to subsidise LIT will surely help the Scottish Executive, no?
46

TWC,

exLabour 24/04/2009 13:52:39
49 Grahamski,

Graham, Grow up we are talking about the cuts, outwith the agreed budget. The crux is who manages Scotlands budget and who decides whether we can make efficiency savings Holyrood or Westminster.
Are the SLAB, Tory, Libdems, Nats etc responsible or not? The Settlement should be given as planned and the MSPs should debate and agree any saving to be returned.
Labour are all over the place again in dealing with Devolution to Scotland, Ireland & Wales.
Westminster should butt out.
47

Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/04/2009 14:04:55
51
TWC,
If you've got time check out Mr Swinney on Newsnight Scotland last night. Then come back and hand on heart tell me that the SNP are playing with a straight bat on this issue.
48

IainGlasgow,

24/04/2009 14:48:06
#50

The point David Starkey missed is that aspect of Englishness simply hides behind a proxy identity of Britishness which lets face it is the most conceited form of jingoism in the world. In any case British typically is synonymous with English much of the time, especially when used internationally.

People like David Starkey are typical of the small minority of upper class English people that pop up from time to time and incite people elsewhere in the world (be they Scots, French, American or whatever) to dislike the English.

Leaving aside tennis players and olympic teams on the BBC/ITV news sports reports, most things that are referred to as British are infact English. If things are Scottish they tend to be referred to as such. When did you ever hear an American or European (or Brit even for that matter?!) allude to tartan or whisky or Robert Burns being British? Anything Welsh tends not to even show up on the radar.

True Greatness carries with it a great deal of modesty and humility. Not something the Anglo-Saxon establishment has ever been at all good at. I don't mean that in any anti-English way its simply an observation. On the contrary I think our good neighbours deserve better than to be lorded over by these halfwitted plutocrats and they would do well to reinvent the spirit of the Magna Carta.
49

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 24/04/2009 15:25:04
52 If Gordon Brewer could stop interupting all the time and listened, he would have been known that the reduction is to the budget total.

What Gordon Brewer was talking about was the capital spending accelaration brought forward, this would affect future years capital spend.

The reduction is a top slice of the total, this is money that has been budgeted and pencilled in for service provision.
50

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 24/04/2009 15:30:16
Also 52 the SNP's arguement is that this is a reduction in the budget whilst we are still in recession will have a knock on affect in Scotland.

They are not arguing against a reduction in public spending they are questioning where that reduction should take place and when, not if.
51

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 24/04/2009 15:32:22
Also the pivot around everything is the forecast of growth, most of the web pages I've read are saying the forecasts of 1.25% and 3.5% are hugely over optimistic.
52

Dear_Gordon,

24/04/2009 17:14:52
TinMan #26

...At least when you vote for the SNP you will be helping to increase the Conservative's Westminster majority next year.

Ehhh? .... No you won't.

Any Scottish Seat returning any MP who is not Conservative ( i.e Lab, SNP or LibDem) will reduce the Conservative majority.

I'll use round numbers to make it simple, but consider if you will an adjusted total of 600 MPs at Westminster.

If the split was


Conservative : 400
Labour : 150
Liberal : 40
SNP : 10

The Tories have 400, the rest have 200. Tory majority of 200.

With me so far, or am I going too fast?

OK - lets swap a few Labour seats to SNP

Conservative : 400
Labour : 120
LibDem : 40
SNP : 40

Tories = 400; Others = 200; Tory Majority = 200.

So - please stop spouting scaremongering propaganda that an SNP vote = a Tory vote.

Which of those scenarios is going to ensure Scotland better treatment from the Westminster Government?

I'd say the second one - as it's a powerful message that Scotland is close to leaving the Union party unless she starts getting a far better deal.

No Brainer!

VOTE SNP!
53

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 24/04/2009 17:26:06
#57 Don't try explaining complex ideas like basic arithmetic to poor old Tin Man. His little Unionist brain is overloaded as it is trying to type without moving his mouth.
54

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 24/04/2009 17:39:43
#57

A good manipulation of sttaistics but it only makes sense if you take a Conservative victory as a given.


55

frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/04/2009 18:52:56
#59, All politicians.................

It really doesn't matter to Scotland which Unionist Party forms the Government at Westminster: what really matters is the strenght of the SNP contingent in "that place".

NuLab/Tory, there is no fundamental difference; both are indifferent to the needs of Scotland and its people.

FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.
56

Jimmy Le Pie,

24/04/2009 19:24:14
There is a good link on Guido's site that takes you to a 10 Downing Street petition asking Comrade Broon to resign!

Go on sign it, you know it makes sense!!!

http://www.order-order.com/
57

hoblar,

24/04/2009 20:42:48
"...At least when you vote for the SNP you will be helping to increase the Conservative's Westminster majority next year."

Aye, at the RED Tories expense. The red tories being 'New' Labour of course, a party that not only borrows unprecedented sums of money (£175 BILLION of OUR taxes) to bail out their mistakes, and that is just one of many many reasons that New Labour aren't worth our vote, particularly in Scotland.

So actually if you vote SNP in Scotland, you will reduce New labour MP's and their Westminster influence on the UK Labour party, therefore reducing having useless individuals with little interest in Scotland.

It doesn't do much for the Tories because they are NOWHERE in Scotland, and that is exactly the position Labour will deserve to be in, and for the same reason as well!
58

JC1,

Glasgow 24/04/2009 23:27:06
salmond can only bawl and shout -what an embaressing spectacle for the rest of us. Such an undignified little thug with his little gang
59

Hamish Longdirk,

NZ 25/04/2009 08:41:31
13 Grahamski,(BNP storm trooper) If you want better, vote independance for England! simple really. Then you poor English who have been feeding us all these years, because your SOOOOOOOOOOO nice can save billions.

63, what are you talking about you little fool, Salmond is doing his job, unlike Brown the traitor.

 

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