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Published Date: 23 April 2009
JOHN Swinney sparked further tension with Westminster yesterday when he claimed 9,000 jobs could be lost in Scotland as a direct result of efficiency savings announced in the Budget.
Scotland's finance secretary said Alistair Darling's announcement would result in a cut to Scotland's block grant of £500 million – part of a £5 billion cut across all government departments. Labour claimed the true figure was £367 million.

While Mr Swinney said he understood the need for savings, he argued that it was wrong to take so much from public spending next year, just when the economy was starting to recover. But Labour ministers insisted that every part of the public sector had to find savings to help revive the country's finances.

The clash over the extent of the cuts planned for Scotland overshadowed other sections of the Budget that will help industries north of the Border, including the oil and gas sector. The Chancellor said the Scottish block grant for 2010-11, would be £35.5 billion, £700 million more than this year but £367 million less than expected.

Mr Swinney argued the actual cut was £500 million as a result of changes to the health budget last year which, he claimed, had deprived the Scottish Government of £129 million this year.

But whatever the exact size of the reduction, all politicians were agreed that the Scottish budget was not going to increase as much as anticipated due to the demands for efficiency savings. Instead of asking departments to make the savings and then allowing them to reinvest the money in front-line services, Mr Darling has simply taken the money away at source.

It was this that particularly infuriated Mr Swinney, who has already asked his own departments to make savings, but has allowed them to reinvest this money in their own services.

Mr Swinney said: "This Budget is deeply damaging for Scotland. The Chancellor said you cannot cut your way out of recession and that taking money out of the economy at this critical time would damage key public services; yet that is precisely what he is imposing on Scotland.

"A £500 million cut to the Scottish budget will impact on our ability to deliver those services people need as Scotland moves officially into recession." He added: "These cuts could see approximately 9,000 people losing their jobs."

Mr Swinney said thousands of jobs could go in the construction industry due to the reduction in capital spending used for big infrastructure projects such as schools and hospitals.

But UK ministers derided Mr Swinney's analysis of the figures and his determination not to accept the sort of efficiency savings being imposed on every other government department.

Jim Murphy, the Scottish Secretary, said: "The Scottish Government has to find efficiencies of equivalent to £367 million next year, but that should be achievable given the UK government is finding nearly £5 billion of efficiencies without any reduction in front-line services."

Scottish Labour politicians also disputed Mr Swinney's claims of a £500 million cut.

Andy Kerr, the party's finance spokesman, said: "It is only common sense that Scotland plays its part like the rest of the UK. Scottish families and Scottish businesses know this."

Derek Brownlee, for the Conservatives, said both the main parties had to face up to what the Budget meant.

"Labour must accept responsibility for the mess they have created and the SNP must accept that the Scottish budget will be lower than expected," he said.

"Scottish Conservatives will work in the Scottish Parliament to ensure that the impact of the spending squeeze on key public services is minimised, and that spending which promotes economic growth is protected."

Other parts of the Budget drew mixed reactions.

Jacqui Watt, chief executive, of the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations, said: "The SFHA is very disappointed the Chancellor's touted £1 billion package to boost housing did not include any significant money targeted at new-build affordable housing.

"This is a huge missed opportunity to create thousands of jobs and homes in communities that desperately need them."

And the Scottish Building Federation called the measures to support the construction sector "far too little, far too late".

Michael Levack, chief executive of the federation, said: "The new money the Chancellor announced for housing and home insulation – none of which will benefit Scotland – is a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of spending he could have stimulated in this area on both sides of the Border if he'd had the courage to cut VAT on home improvements to 5 per cent.

"By our calculations, this could have been as much as £330 million in Scotland alone over the next 12 months – almost ten times the boost per head of population provided by the new home insulation programme."

Liz Cameron, chief executive of Scottish Chambers of Commerce, welcomed the doubling of capital allowances and some other measures.

But she said: "Less welcome is the news that fuel duty will increase by 2p in September and by 1p above inflation next April. This will increase the cost of transport and doing business in Scotland, particularly in our rural areas – a cost which businesses can ill-afford at this time.

"Similarly, the news that alcohol taxes are to rise by 2 per cent will come as bad news to many businesses in the licensed trade, hospitality industry, tourism and food and drink sectors."

Meanwhile, Save the Children said it was "hugely disappointed" that more had not been done for children in poverty. Douglas Hamilton, head of the charity in Scotland, said: "The government's own target of halving child poverty by 2010 is no longer achievable.



SCOTTISH REACTION IN QUOTES

"The STUC believes a golden opportunity has been missed to introduce a timely and targeted fiscal stimulus to save current jobs and create new ones. We also remain very concerned at the timing and size of proposed efficiency measures."

Grahame Smith – Scottish Trades Union Congress

"A duty increase during a recession is a real blow and follows last year's duty rises on Scotch, the largest since the 1970s.

The government should be supporting all UK businesses, including Scotch whisky distillers, who have the potential to help drive the economy out of recession."

Gavin Hewitt – Scotch Whisky Association

"There is little in this Budget to boost business within the convenience store sector."

John Drummond – chief executive of Scottish Grocers' Federation

"The Budget projections look like a triumph of hope over experience. Despite having to drastically downgrade his forecast for growth this year, the Chancellor still expects the economy to rebound over the next two years."

Russell Hills – Head of tax at KPMG in Scotland

"It is a relief the flexibility in making tax payments, of which many Scottish small firms have already taken advantage, is to continue. But the fuel duty rise will make it hard for rural and other business road users to keep moving in the downturn."

Andy Willox – Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland

"The additional taxation on spirits and alcohol will make it harder to argue for fairer taxation on Scottish exports in overseas markets."

Iain McMillan – CBI Scotland

"The SFHA is very disappointed that the Chancellor's touted £1 billion package to boost housing did not include any significant money targeted at new-build affordable housing. This is a huge missed opportunity."

Jacqui Watt – Scottish Federation of Housing Associations



BUDGET 2009: FULL COVERAGE

Slideshow: The Budget in graphics

Darling bounces UK deep into debt

Britain to sink into £1 trillion debt hole next year

Darling throws petrol bomb at recovery hopes

Analysis: Chancellor's projections for growth a real gamble

Energy: Boost for North Sea fields is welcomed but detail needed

Whisky: Few cheers as duty rise comes at the worst time, say whisky leaders

Leader: Wait-and-see Budget shows lack of leadership

Cartoon by Iain Green

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22/04/2009 23:59:49
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:00:12
"Mr Swinney said the construction sector would suffer the most and thousands of jobs could go there due to the reduction in capital spending used to build big infrastructure projects such as schools and hospitals."

EH?

Have the SNP been building schools and hospitals?

They kept that quiet.

Oh I remember now.

The Scottish Futures Trust.

What a success that has been.

So how many schools, hospitals and bridges have been funded by the SFT?

Let me think...............Oh I remember.................................A BIG FAT ZERO!

What a joke the SNP is.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:05:00
Jim Murphy, the Scottish Secretary, said: "The Scottish Government has to find efficiencies of equivalent to £367 million next year, but that should be achievable given the UK government is finding nearly £5 billion of efficiencies without any reduction in front-line services."
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You can't argue with that logic.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:07:40
#4

Salmond will still have enough taxpayer's money to pay for Sandi Thom's £900 breakfasts though.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:10:37
Dis anybody see the Hokey Cokey King, Mr Michael Matheson SNP MSP making a fool of himself on Newsnight last night?

He kept repeating his supplied ID Cards and Trident script regardless of the question.

Gordon Brewer made mincemeat of him.
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The Strategist,

23/04/2009 00:11:09
Swinney is right and the problem is that as time goes on the level of cuts will increase as Crash and Ally realise that todays measures won't achieve a great deal against the size of the debt they've run up.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:12:16
8 Guido Fawkes,23/04/2009 00:10:00
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How long did you spend pressing the refresh button tonight so you could comment 11 seconds before the rest ?
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Errrrmmm No time.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:12:56
8 Guido Fawkes,23/04/2009 00:10:00
Does your team leader at Sky TV know you are waisting precious company time by hitting the refresh button for over 4 hours ?
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Errrrrmmmmm NO.

Please phone in and tell him.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:17:30
13 Guido Fawkes

Where are you?
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:18:37
15 Guido Fawkes,23/04/2009 00:16:41
Rufus T call centre will be next to feature in my blog and along with MacBride i will hammer the life out of him.
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Can't wait.

I can send you a pic if you like.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:19:41
#17

How long did you spend pressing the refresh button tonight so you could comment 11 seconds before the rest on that thread?
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:20:44
19 Pugnaces Caledonii,23/04/2009 00:18:39


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Great Point.

The VAT cut was aimed only at the car industry.



BREATHTAKING....................STUPIDITY
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:21:48
21 Guido Fawkes,23/04/2009 00:19:51
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You are a rank armature and
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Man your blog is going to be good.
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Me Bungo Pony,

Dundee 23/04/2009 00:23:36
Jim Murphy, the UK Secretary of State for campaigning against the SNP (at Taxpayer's expense), said .... "the UK government is finding nearly £5 billion of efficiencies without any reduction in front-line services."

To which the current Unionist troll in residence bizarrley claims .... "You can't argue with that logic".

Ehh? What logic? Murphy has simply made a claim that has yet to be proven. The only logic involved is the logic that questions the credibility of the claim. £5bn is a lot of "efficiences" to find without making real cuts. I've said it before .... Unionists are detached from reality and showing contempt for the electorate.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:26:52
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I bet you are counting down the minutes until you get your free Runrig CD.

Another top Scottish Act. Alongside the MacDonald Brothers, Leon and Fran and Anna.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 00:38:48
#29

"wanders why"?

Ha ha ha, are you sure about this blog? A basic standard of English is probably a pre-requisite.
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23/04/2009 00:44:01
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Me Bungo Pony,

Dundee 23/04/2009 00:47:16
Perhaps it would be best to refrain from taunting Rufus too much. It spoils the thread .... which is exactly what he wants. The last thing he wants is a reasoned debate on the holocaust his Party has just unleashed on the economy of Scotland and the UK. Albeit they had little choice as they had already painted themselves into a corner.
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Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 23/04/2009 01:04:04
Roofarse.

The UK government has the scope to cut things like defence that are not open to the Scottish Government. Therefore the pro-rata cuts for Scotland should be less.
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 23/04/2009 01:19:05
how do you restore confidence to the market in one move? CHOOSE A GENERAL ELECTION - CHOOSE TO CHANGE GOVERMENT - CHOOSE A CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT - CHOOSE FISCAL CONTROL - CHOOSE NUCLEAR FREE - CHOOSE RENEWABLES - CHOOSE MORALE RESPONSIBLE GOVERMENT - CHOOSE SNP - LOOSE BROON
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hoblar,

23/04/2009 01:41:24
The whole country, the punters losing jobs and seeing the economy of this borrow borrow borrow government (at tax payers expense) go down the tubes, are at one with all the comments from Scotland's industry who are quoted after the article.

The ones that stand out for believing that this is a great budget and everything is hunky dory, and have the multi post drone going on and on; are Murphy, the 'Scottish secretary, and of course Scottish Labour, who have no defence whatsoever because this dire budget is the result of the economic disaster that has been inflicted on the whole UK by their Westminster political masters.

When the Westminster Tories treat Scotland with similar contempt post UK election, (we'll be in just as much economic trouble remember) Labour would squeal away about the injustice of it all.

There will be fewer new Labour amateurs in a position to win votes in Scotland when election times arrive, so their opposition to defending the Scottish interest is going to be less of a problem for Scotland as a whole.

Let's discuss what is happening rather than letting some sections of commentary simply massage the ego or feed those with disruptive ideas in mind and no intent on proper discussion.
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Edward,

23/04/2009 02:08:13
'Andy Kerr, the party's finance spokesman, said: "It is only common sense that Scotland plays its part like the rest of the UK. Scottish families and Scottish businesses know this.'
Oh yeah were going to listen to an idiot like you!
Andy Kerr is now a complete joke! Just like the rest of the Labour kabal, including Murphy, who hasnt had a proper job in all his life!
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redcliffe62,

23/04/2009 04:13:29
would it be reasonable to assume that if there was no revenue from north sea oil, 22% more corporation tax would be lost and britain would go belly up.
it may still happen with over 700 bill of money on the never never, but at least the oil could be used as some sort of collateral. without it there would have been collateral damage everywhere.
perhaps a story on where scotland (and britain) would be today if there had been no north sea oil? i think we know, but it is not emphasised by any media how crucial its role has been and will continue to be for fear it confirms that scotland could still go alone with confidence. the elephant in the corner not to be discussed.
a straight choice on economic competence between brown/darling and anyone, even hugo chavez, would be close.
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redcliffe62,

23/04/2009 04:16:32
when is a cut not a cut? when darling says it is an efficency saving.
i am not going to efficiency save my bread with a knife, i cut it, sharply so that the parts are separated.
rather like scotland and england need to be following this excuse of a budget from tweedledum and tweedledee inc.
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 23/04/2009 04:31:32
173 billion borrowed ! in one year! by telling the lender your good for it! sounds like a junkie looking for a fix! might explain the eyebrows!
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Ugly George,

edinburgh 23/04/2009 05:37:18
44 redcliffe
To put North Sea oil revenues into perspective consider the following estimates from the budget :

Deficit for 2009/10 : £175bn

Oil/gas revenues for 2009/10 : £6.9bn

As you can see the oil revenues hardly make much impact on the overall budget position.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 05:40:31
44 redcliffe
PS
If the estimate of oil revenues is anywhere near accurate, it would take 7 years of total revenues just to cover the amount spent on buying equity in the banks to bail them out - let alone cover the amount set aside for loan guarantees.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 06:25:59
Looks like Salmond will have to pay extra if he wants to fly Ryanair. A further waste of taxpayers cash.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 06:30:41
I see Traquir is boring everyone to death about the Olympics again. YAWN.

Traquir, the man that thinks Britain's currency is the Euro.

What a fool!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 06:44:27
Will any of the supine Labourite ranks in Holyrood now explain which services they believe should be cut in order to accommodate the £5oom cut in the Scottish budget?
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Marian,

23/04/2009 06:49:27
In the much-vaunted 'court of public opinion', the verdict is that Brown's is a government which has lost all direction or semblance of coherence. It is pitifully, woefully, even dangerously out of its depth. It is devoid of ideas, denuded of principle, absent even of endearing personalities. In Scotland, it has long since ceased to be a Labour party and is now simply the anti-SNP party, infected with the canker-ridden sourness of temper tantrums that flow from someone having ‘stolen’ their sweetie.

Somewhere in the 80's or 90's and we can no doubt all point to different dates or events, the Labour Party became solely about the pursuit and retention of power. Entrenched in swathes of Scotland on a minority share of the vote by the first past the post system, there was no competition to drive out the cliquishness, clannishness and petty rent seeking which came to scar it. Swept out of office in 2007 and with municipal power bases weakened by the plurality of PR, it found itself unable to distribute patronage as it once had.

Without economic credibility, Labour in England has lost its reason for being in power. Without power and patronage, Scottish Labour lost its reason for being a long time before.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 06:54:08
Poor Bully Boy, he has spent years on here typing drivel and he has still not worked out where the numbers are on his keyboard.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 07:10:01
53 RufusT-Firefly,
“Poor Bully Boy, he has spent years on here typing drivel and he has still not worked out where the numbers are on his keyboard.”

Unlike Rufus, and apparently Mr Darling, at least I know what the numbers mean.
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RufusT-Firefly,

23/04/2009 07:15:37
G00d p01nt Bu11y B0y.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 07:23:06
Alistair Darling says -
"We will make £5 billion of government savings, no details available you will just have to trust us on this one.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will also make proportionate government savings, you can trust us on this one as we will deduct the money at source."
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 07:29:57
Instead of rising to the bait every time he posts why don't we all just totally ignore Rufus and his posts.

This might frustrate him so much that he will fade into well-deserved obxcurity.
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23/04/2009 07:44:11
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 07:44:17
51 bully wee alba
"Will any of the supine Labourite ranks in Holyrood now explain which services they believe should be cut in order to accommodate the £5oom cut in the Scottish budget?"

Will you explain how it is possible to put more money into public services when an annual deficit of £175bn is expected and has to borrowed. Do you advocate borrowing even more?
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23/04/2009 07:52:10
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Phil C,

23/04/2009 08:03:06
"Labour claimed the true figure for the cut in the block grant was £367 million."

That's ok then!!

...Stop dependence now.........Independence now!
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The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 08:06:46
#59 Ugly

Swinney wants to borrow even more than Darling, so I guess he will take bully along in tow. Swinney wants to borrow his way out of massive debt and deep recession. Presumably, his tax-revenue outlook for 2010 is even rosier than Darling's.

Free prescriptions for the rich?
Free university tuition fees for the rich?
Council tax rate-of-inflation cut?
Forth and Tay bridge tolls?
Free care for rich elderly people?

They can all go for a start.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 08:07:15
It's strange. Swinney announced an efficiency savings exercise a couple years back but was attacked by Labour for the idea.

Well well.......
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Tynietiger,

23/04/2009 08:20:15
Listening to John Swinney on Radio Scotland. He is right UK government should scrap Trident replacement and ID cards rather than cutting the Scottish budget.

An efficiency saving by Westminster goes to London Treasury to spend on other things but an efficiency saving in Scotland (is a cut) goes to London Treasury despite latest GERS report proving Scotland was in surplus last year.
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The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 08:25:30
#65 Tynie

According to the GERS report, Scotland is in surplus if the oil price is over $74 per barrel. In the mean time, corporation tax receipts from the likes of RBS and HBOS may also have dropped, slightly.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 08:32:19
59 Ugly George,

The question during these difficult recessionary times, is not “should there be cuts in public spending”, but, “where should these cuts take place”.

Why is the UK Govt determined to continue to waste resources on Trident, ID cards and illegal wars for example, whilst advocating cuts in jobs, health, education and housing, all affecting the most vulnerable within our communities?


Nu-Labour’s priorities are not the priorities which could be reasonably supported by a left-leaning, social democratic Government of Scotland.
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The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 08:38:04
#68 bully

Thankfully, Big Brother's ID card scheme will be scrapped by the next government, with Trident-replacement possibly going the same way. The possibly illegal war is just about finished, so you can rest easy.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 08:41:09
63 The Tin Man,


“Free prescriptions for the rich?
Free university tuition fees for the rich?
Council tax rate-of-inflation cut?
Forth and Tay bridge tolls?
Free care for rich elderly people?”

Did you really mean:
“Tax the sick”
“Restrict tertiary education to the rich”
“Increase the taxation for hard-working families”
“Stifle the economic regeneration of Fife and Dundee”
“Tax the poor, vulnerable elderly members of the community”
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 08:44:08
Has anyone heard from Iain Gray, New Labour Sleaze's North British rep, on his thoughts about the budget??

Or has he not received his script from London yet???
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The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 08:45:08
#63 bully

No, I meant that they should be means-tested. Are you really suggesting that eg. free school meals for rich kids, is money well-spent?
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The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 08:48:41
bully - pretty odd logic from yourself. If you want to 'help the poor', surely more help could be given if we weren't busy helping the rich so much.
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smokey joe 1,

23/04/2009 08:49:29
67 Joe,Relugas Road.
Are you mad?
The SNP govt are doing a great job, sticking up for Scotland's people unlike the pathetic labour poodles like Kerr who bow to their London labour masters every whim.
Labour are a bunch of lying corrupt greedy pigs.
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westcider,

Isle of Lewis 23/04/2009 08:49:39
#47 Ugly George.
You seek to minimise the enormous bounty of Scottish Oil. This figure would be the diminished tax take for the Westminster Government due to the recession. This does not look at the tens of thousands of jobs and the tax these workers pay or the plethora of businesses in the oil capital of Europe which would be of great importance to an independent Scotland. The tradgedy of Scotlands Oil is that it is so far from shore, if we could all see the oilwells working away day and night for the last thirty years we would not overlook the fact that Scotland is a rich country that more than pays her way in the world and is held back under present arrangements. Unionists should hang their heads in shame for suggesting this is unimportant.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 23/04/2009 08:49:58
tin man

Is it possible that these rich folks, while are not being "taxed" at point of use, are spending thier hard earned elsewhere? Ploughing their cash into the economy some other way? Supporting private sector industries that other less well off people can't?

Just a thought.
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23/04/2009 08:53:42
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23/04/2009 09:00:22
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 23/04/2009 09:03:42
-- free school meals for rich kids is money well-spent?

I think civilised dining is to be encouraged. I suppose I was brought up in a fairly homogenous suburb of white and blue coller workers and never bothered about what people earned, or car they drove. One pal got more of expensive toys because his father was a book-keeper but this wasn't envied. On a working boat, we all sit down to the same dinner. Means testing? What's the point of that?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 09:06:59
72 The Tin Man,


“No, I meant that they should be means-tested. Are you really suggesting that eg. free school meals for rich kids, is money well-spent?”

I have no problem with the concept of all children within the state school sector being treated equally in terms of free school meals.

I am painfully aware of the social stigma attached to those children who, through no fault of their own, were seen as being in some way socially inferior by either handing over a different coloured voucher to obtain their meal, or even by having to queue at a different serving area.

Very few primary school children could in their own right be classed as being “rich” and I support the concept of a good, balanced and nutritious mid-day meal being supplied to all primary school children from general taxation.

In the same way, I support the concept of a NHS being provided free, at the point of use to all citizens.

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noswod,

Honestas 23/04/2009 09:24:32
Weel is this the end frae free money, aye the additional £1,610 we each get each year oor the rest aw the Soothern Britons. Nae langer will the SNP be able tae give away freebies withoot having tae think aboot the taxation angle. At the same time they "give em the money Barney" real infrastructual investment in things which make a difference tae Scotlands economic performance are delayed like the New Wavereley under Edinburgh Airport, a railway tae save the Borders and of course the plan tae build a new Forth bridge at three times the cost of what they build links between Sweden and Denmark and the big Gourge in France add tae that the paralysis of the Scottish futures trust freezing spending on Schools and Hospitals at a time when interest rates are the lowest even it shows their mindlessness. Weel we will all have tae prepear frae a right wing bunch O Eton Tories cutting the Scottish budget frae £33bn tae £24bn when we could have blagged another £7.5bn capital spending frae Scotland if we had kept oor mouths shut and heeds screwed on between 2005-2010. Thats before the £300bn that whitehas paying frae oor twa banks. Aye once again Scotland elects the tories and bankrupts Labour just like 1979 weel done wee Eck.

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The Tin Man,

23/04/2009 09:39:46
#80 bully

I see you point, and there are more glaring real subsidies to the rich provided by the Scotty gov, than the school meals proposal.

However, I seriosly doubt that kids paying for meals or producing a vocher would make the blindest bit of difference to Scottish educational standards, which is slighly more important than percieved stigmas. The fat kids, those with 'learning disabilities', and the nerds, are better targets, anyway.
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23/04/2009 09:52:55
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 09:54:10
81 noswod,

“Aye once again Scotland elects the tories and bankrupts Labour just like 1979 weel done wee Eck.”

You appear to be a trifle confused.

The Labourites self-destructed in 1979 and with their sleaze, corruption and general incompetence appear to be on course to do so again in 2010.

The Tories may prove to be no better than their cousins in Nu-Labour, however, thankfully in the 2010 referendum we will have the opportunity to declare “a plague on both their houses” and vote for a new beginning, free from ridiculous posturing on the world stage with unaffordable WMD.
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Hamish Longdirk,

Vanuatu 23/04/2009 09:55:25
Rufus your really are a stupid bore and a pathetic excuse for an Englishman. Once again Traquir flogs you through to the bone. You have NO argument against Scottish independence and the SNP. All other parties in the UK are light years behind the SNP, in fighting for Scotland.
You have NEVER in all the drivel I've seen you post, write anything that says anything intelligent or has anything constructive to say, until you do shut up.
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Miss H,

23/04/2009 10:13:39
3 Rufus

Rufus – I am sure I have explained to you before how politics works. You really must pay attention this time.

What this is about is the ABC of politics.

Apportioning Blame Correctly (or perhaps Conveniently would be as good).

The Blame for these cuts lies with Labour.

It would be Convenient if Labour could blame the SNP for every cut or efficiency saving made throughout the whole of Scotland – as they have been doing since May 2007. It would be Convenient but it would not be Correct.

Labour is to blame for all cuts – the SNP is getting that message over loud and clear. They are Apportioning Blame Correctly. So those who are annoyed at the cuts will blame Labour not the SNP and are therefore more likely to vote SNP not Labour at the General Election.

Geddit?
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Lausanne Jellies,

23/04/2009 10:29:54
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
Recession and cuts – who would have guessed
swinney the enlightened one we are not worthy ;)
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Lausanne Jellies,

23/04/2009 10:36:03
Scottish councils want to be paid using the Barnett formula too
Scottish councils want to be paid using the Barnett formula too
Scottish councils want to be paid using the Barnett formula too
Scottish councils want to be paid using the Barnett formula too
What is the Scottish government doing with the extra money which should be going to our councils for each and everyone of us, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha La La La LA
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Jimmy Le Pie,

23/04/2009 10:39:39
Did anyone notice Andy Kerr saying on Newnicht that the Scottish Government should be selling off assets!!

Presumably all that's left to sell is Scottish Water, The Forestry and the NHS!!

Yes, true socialists indeed!!!!
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Lausanne Jellies,

23/04/2009 10:53:48
“When experience has once given us a competent knowledge of human affairs, and has taught us the proportion they bear to human passion, we perceive, that the generosity of men is very limited, and that it seldom extends beyond their friends and family, or, at most, beyond their native country.”
- David Hume-A Treatise of Human Nature-Sect. iii. Of Goodness and Benevolence
- http://www.unc.edu/~jjeffrey/Hume%20Files--start%20with%20B3/B3.3.3.html
Greed Greed oil and more Greed Greed Greed oil and more Greed
Greed Greed oil and more Greed
Greed Greed oil and more Greed
Greed Greed oil and more Greed
Greed Greed oil and more Greed
Greed Greed oil and more Greed
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Boooooooo
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pwd,

Borders 23/04/2009 11:16:47
#39 - 43

What an appalling bore!
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 11:19:14
Swinney has no fiscal control in the matter

Westminster hold the purse that would have paid the 9,000

Less money from Westminster = less jobs,

9000 in this case.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 11:22:30
Dithering Darling's Dole Dilema

So Scotland lose 9.000 jobs

How many jobs will go in England? A fair comparison would be lets say 90,000

No announcements as yet..

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Galvatron,

23/04/2009 11:23:02
Well done to the Gordon and his Robin Hood Chancellor for wrongfooting the Tories, who'll now be pressured by their grassroots into reversing the 50% rate.

As for the Tartan Tories, it's the usual "me! me! me!" chippy rantings which take no account of the difficult economic times; the Nats are an increasing irrelevance and their do nothing minority administration in the SP isn't going to advance the increasingly ridiculous separation agenda one iota.
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alanh,

ek 23/04/2009 11:27:22
a wee bit of a misleading headline there ?

Swinney said COULD and the headline shouts out WILL

Do the headline writers even read the articles in this paper?

#98 galvatron........taken in by nu liebore spin and phoney class war? If you think that this increase will lead to a higher tax take you probably believe that nu liebore are a socialist party too
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Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 11:27:47
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You of course are simply irrelevant.
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smokey joe 1,

23/04/2009 11:33:34
91 Jimmy Le Pie,
We wont be taking any lessons from Andy Kerr,this is the labour financial wizard lol, who cant fill an expenses form ,by his own words ,I made a mistake by trying to get the tax payer to cough up for repairs to my garden wall.
Not very bright when it comes to finance ,are we Andy.
Labour really are desperate if Kerr is the best they have as a finance driveler
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Galvatron,

23/04/2009 11:53:22
#99 Alanh: "#98 galvatron........taken in by nu liebore spin and phoney class war? If you think that this increase will lead to a higher tax take you probably believe that nu liebore are a socialist party too"

What about the Tartan Toryism which is currently eroding the Nats' popularity then (I'm referring to the most recent Sunday Times poll, which put the Nats on 35% in the constituency vote, with Labour on 34%, but on the regional vote Labour is on 32% and the SNP 30%.
I know you'll come back with the usual "Tartan Toryism? What Tartan Toryism" but would refer you to the refusal to means test prescription charges, the universal council tax freeze and the Tartan Tory Heartland pleasing poll tax 2, designed as it was to benefit those on modest incomes who can nonetheless afford to live in expensive properties in Perthshire.

Poll Tax 2 was, of course, quietly dropped on account of being the usual unworkable garbage we've come to expect from a cultish grouping who actually seem to have convinced themselves beyond any reasonable doubt that their separation policy is actually in Scotland's best interests.
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alanh,

ek 23/04/2009 12:20:33
#102 galvatron

sorry but i have to disagree with you on the tartan toryism you accuse the scottish govt of having.
Nu liebore are further to the right than Maggie was

can you give me a wee linky to this poll or even enlighten us to whether it was a national poll and what the scottish sample was?

I'm not into means testing our elderly population. My father worked all his days in the Rolls Royce as an engineer and then a fitter until he retired with a small pension he had paid into all his working days. because of this he was means tested out of a lot of benefits most other pensioners enjoyed. That put me well against means testing as the people that it hurts most are the ones just on the edge of the figures, no matter where you place them.
In the same way i am against the council tax, that penalises those that have worked hard all thru their life to buy their own home. I am a sole, wage earner for my family of 4. I pay the same council tax as next door that have 4 wage earners.Is that , in your opinion fair?
Altho in future years when their 2 kids move out and mine start to work we will have 3-4 wage earners where they only have 1 or 2. If we had LIT then our local taxation would even itself out at the times that are needed( ie we will have more disposable income in our home with 4 wage earners as they have less when their kids move out)
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Galvatron,

23/04/2009 12:32:05
#106: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5908726.ece

No time just now to research further.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 12:55:15
88 Miss H
"Labour is to blame for all cuts"

Who was it abolished bridge tolls and froze council tax. The SNP govt can hardly lay all the blame for cuts at the door of Labour in Westminster when they have taken steps which reduce revenue. ABC indeed. You should heed your own advice.
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alanh,

ek 23/04/2009 13:43:55
#107 galvatron
ta for the link . missed that one.
However you may notice this poll was 7 weeks ago before the latest round of sleaze and expenses stuff.
Any idea how often they take a poll and what the questions actually are?
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 13:50:35
109 theunionmustgo.
Hardly. just pointing out the irrationality of a previous post.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 13:59:35
# 107

"The SNP's ratings have surged by seven points since the election - which shows that the honeymoon continues nearly a year into government, on the back of solid policy delivery.

“In our first year, we have frozen the Council Tax, cut business rates, restored free education, abolished bridge tolls, and are scrapping prescription charges and delivering 1,000 more police officers on Scotland's streets.

"We will continue to deliver for the people of Scotland, while the other parties continue to flounder."

The poll conducted by Scottish Opinion,questionned 1,004 voters in all 73 Scottish Parliament constituencies between April 15th and April 22nd. The Scottish Parliament constituency vote (change since 2007 in brackets) figures in full:

* SNP: 40% (+7)
* Lab: 33% (+1)
* Con: 13% (-4
* Lib: 10% (-6)
* Gre: 3%
* SSP: 1%

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

23/04/2009 14:10:47
Call for Games cash return

Ministers are to urge the return of £150m in lost legacy funding for the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.

Sports minister Shona Robison is to set out plans to ensure lasting benefits from the Games at Holyrood.

The SNP government says funding for the 2012 London Olympics had cost lottery good causes in Scotland £150m - and it want an equivalent sum returned.
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redcliffe62,

23/04/2009 14:14:14
until labour is under 28% they will keep a lot of seats. and they have a base of 30% who know they wil be worse off if labour not in charge, namely the unwashed of lanarkshire, the unemployable throughout urban scotland as a whole and the bad back brigade everywhere. that makes 30% minimum.
so, i think this poll figure is also a tad wrong, the tory vote is higher, people do not admit voting tory but they do turn out in elections, so i would estimate at around 18%, and labour around 30, with snp around 37. a marginally better snp vote to westminster than labour is possible, as their supporters are more likely to turn out, unless postals are allowed to be sent from london to each constituency as the old glenrothes sting goes scotland wide, maybe even thru england as well.
i think rufus comment on ryanair and salmond needing to pay more was rather humourous. first one for a while.
as commented by others rather well, i think ugly george missed the point i was saying, that whilst direct benefit to darling's money grab may be 7 billion, lots of people will be employed which contributes to the mien of the populace.
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redcliffe62,

23/04/2009 14:15:35
will london's olympic mess be worse than montreal in 1976? they knew they were in trouble before it started and boy were they right!
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smokey joe 1,

23/04/2009 15:16:07
Jim Murphy, the Scottish Secretary, said: "The Scottish Government HAS to find efficiencies of equivalent to £367 million next year.
In real terms Murphy means cuts.
Kerr and Gray are happy with this.

This is as good a reason as any not to vote for labour.



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Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 17:23:25
117 The massive bail out of the banking system is one of the major reasons why we are in this mess, as we are now having to pay back the money borrowed to shore the financial system up with no guarantee of any return on our ''investment''. Rather than congragulating the Treasury on ''supporting'' the banks we should be cursing them. The banks are still not fit for purpose.
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hoblar,

23/04/2009 18:17:29
Aye, loads of jobs were lost because the banks didn't use OUR taxes to save them, rather than prop up the banks in the way they saw fit.

If Scotland is responsible for RBS and HBoS then when they were making £Billions we would have benefitted-the reason we did not is because it is all about London and the imaginary no bust only boom philosophy and lending people on a pittance a week an enormous sum of money that they could never have been expected to repay.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/04/2009 21:07:16
Almost all countries and peoples have faced economic disaster at some time. By the end of 2008 the good economist (please excuse the oxymoron) would have studied many such examples, and thus discovered which economic policies work, and which fail, in a variety of different settings. My hunch is that the critical factor that lifts countries out of depression is a willingness on the part of many people to work hard for very little, rather than rely on state support. This can be achieved either by encouraging a near-fanatical patriotism within formal state-led labour organisations (as in Stalinist Communism and Nazism), or by turning to a largely cash economy in which people are not taxed for selling goods and services that they themselves produce, and taxing only those sales involving an artificial mark-up on an item already in existence. This type of economy gives the "small man" a significant competitive edge. Moreover, people need to return to basic skills that deliver job satisfaction. The Argentinian economy changed greatly after its disastrous collapse in early 2002: many factory workers who were performing uncreative, unchallenging work took up other, much more interesting jobs - many caused by a boom in Argentina's tourist industry as their currency collapsed. There was suddenly a place for chefs, artists, musicians, hotel staff, tourist guides, interpreters, bus drivers, street cafe proprietors and staff, plus many other niche jobs in all sorts of tourist activities - boating, bungee jumping, rodeos, tourist ranches...As Scots we need to pretend that there is NO state support, and then think about what we are really good at and enjoy doing, apart from drinking and dying of heart attacks. I would start by saying that we need to create a number of kayak trails that exploit our beautiful lochan, with overnight rest lodges. I'm sure there is much more we can do.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 21:19:35
123 This is not economic disaster, all 'free market' economies go through these cyclical fluctuations, always have always will. This is just a particularly bad one. Of course the economy will recover, that is inevitable, it will just take a long time and cause a lot of hardship in the process.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 21:21:18
Of course now that we have reached the bottom, that would be a good place to start again as an independent country in charge of how we aid the recovery of our economy. There has never been a better time.
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Marga,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 22:53:18
Herald report on latest poll findings and the problems Jim Murphy is causing Labour leadership in Scotland.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/news/display.var.2503940.0.Pressure_piles_on_Labour_as_the_SNP_power_ahead_in_the_polls.php
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Brianwci,

23/04/2009 23:42:44
Here's the full Herald story Marga.

Pressure piles on Labour as the SNP power ahead in the polls (Robin Dunwoodie)

The latest polling makes grim reading for Labour on every count from voting intentions, to levels of party trust, to the individual standings of leaders.

There has been a 20-point swing on Westminster standings from Labour to the SNP. Far from facing mid-term blues, SNP ministers are stretching their lead at Holyrood. And the party's leader, Iain Gray, has plumbed disapproval levels not reached by his predecessor Wendy Alexander.

In short, if the latest YouGov poll on Scottish voting intentions speaks any truth at all, then the jig is truly up for Labour in the looming general election campaign, the European elections in June could be chastening, and prospects for Labour winning back control at Holyrood in two years will have stalled.
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The sampling period could not have been better for Messrs Brown and Darling - the eve of and the day of the Budget, a time when all the upbeat spinning of intentions had helped finally kill off the McBride/Draper sleaze affair and the Westminster expenses row, but before the horror of yesterday's front pages which almost universally traduced the Chancellor's best efforts.

This is a poll that is far more Glasgow East than Glenrothes, the best for the SNP since the autumn and a shift of seismic proportions within one month. In March YouGov put the SNP a single point ahead of Labour in the Holyrood constituency vote, two points behind in the regional vote, and 10 points behind in Westminster voting intentions.

A month later the same organisation using the same methods, albeit commissioned by the SNP itself, shows an astounding shift in fortunes. There has been a six-point shift in Holyrood constituency intentions (the SNP up two, Labour down four).

There has been an 11-point shift in the regional vote (the SNP up seven to 37%, Labour down four to 28%). And for Westminster there has been
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Brianwci,

23/04/2009 23:45:51
#113 Big Dave has a different poll which confirms the SNP powering ahead of London Labour:

The poll conducted by Scottish Opinion,questionned 1,004 voters in all 73 Scottish Parliament constituencies between April 15th and April 22nd. The Scottish Parliament constituency vote (change since 2007 in brackets) figures in full:

* SNP: 40% (+7)
* Lab: 33% (+1)
* Con: 13% (-4
* Lib: 10% (-6)
* Gre: 3%
* SSP: 1%
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Alan B,

24/04/2009 16:29:36
#93 Galvatron

One of the daftest posts i have read on this site it does not make sense.

Means testing is traditional tory policy and universal benefits a traditional labour one. As such the snp have become old labour in not means testing and labour have become new tories.

You seem totally confused.

As for what you descripe stupidly as poll tax 2. LIT (which i do not support) is nothing like a poll tax. the poll tax was a poll tax as it was a flat tax. (The council tax is more of a poll tax than lit and that is why you need a council tax rebate.) Lit was hit higher earners more than low earners. As such it is more of a traditional labour policy. It also has the traditional labour failing of trying to load too much onto income tax as it is generally seem as the fairest tax.

 

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