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Published Date:
06 December 2007
POLICE officers in Scotland are threatening unprecedented industrial action amid anger over a "disgraceful" pay offer by the government.
Rank-and-file officers are furious after it emerged the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, is preparing to undercut a recommended pay deal.

It is currently a criminal offence for police to go on strike. But The Scotsman has learned officers are now th
reatening other forms of action.

In a leaked letter published yesterday, Ms Smith said she planned to announce today that she "accepts" the 2.5 per cent award for 2008 from the Police Arbitration Tribunal, but will refuse to honour the recommendation that it should be back-dated to cover the three-month period of negotiations.

The effect, the letter to Chancellor Alistair Darling spelled out, "will produce a headline settlement [of] 1.9 per cent".

Police pay in Scotland is decided by the Scottish Government, and Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, is expected to make an announcement today or tomorrow. But it will be hard to appease officers on the brink of revolt.

Scottish Police Federation members representing 7,500 officers in Strathclyde staged an emergency meeting yesterday. "There is unprecedented hostility towards the government," said branch secretary Raymond Pratt. "If they go on strike they will be sacked, but there are other things they can do. We can stop doing overtime. Firearms officers could, potentially, hand in their firearms cards."

Jackie Muller, secretary of the Lothian and Borders branch, added: "The officers feel angry and betrayed." Joe Grant, SPF general secretary, said: "These negotiations have been a complete farce."

A Scottish Government spokesman said Mr MacAskill was "well aware of the strength of feeling on this issue".

'NO CONFIDENCE' IN MANAGERS

MORE than 90 per cent of staff at the Scottish Environment Protection Agency (SEPA) backed a "no confidence" motion against the management, according to a union ballot.

Officials with Unison said the vote was held after SEPA management stopped negotiating with the union about pay and conditions and "began an attempt to individually pressure staff to accept its unilateral proposals". Strike or legal action is being explored by the union in the event of SEPA failing to resume talks with staff representatives.

SEPA denied withdrawing from collective bargaining. A spokesman said: "SEPA indicated it wished to extend this consultation to all staff and Unison interpreted this as a decision to abandon collective bargaining. SEPA sees no reason why individual and collective consultation processes cannot be run in parallel."



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  • Last Updated: 05 December 2007 9:42 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The emergency services
 
1

Buchanan,

06/12/2007 02:16:48

Perhaps the Scotsman staff should read the Herald prior to printing their garbage. Apparently our London masters did request a pay reduction but the SNP Government declined to follow orders and will maintain the agreed pay raise. No doubt if Labor was still in control they would have just done as they were told.

The Scotsman also appears to have "accidently" missed the new polls results which show a huge lead for the SNP. They should at least make some effort so as not be construed as being biased against the SNP

2

Bad Yin,

Doon the Brae 06/12/2007 03:42:25

1. Buchanan,

Ah'm agreein wae ye this time Buchanan.

3

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06/12/2007 08:48:39
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4

Boy Wonder,

06/12/2007 09:09:57

"... threatening other forms of action ... "

Like what?

Waiting for lawyers before interviewing alleged crims?

Changing their batons for fluffy cushions?

Going from 'bad cop, good cop' to 'good cop, better cop'?

What other ways are open for them to show their displeasure if they can't strike?

Apart from not killing unarmed people ... that's a given!

5

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 06/12/2007 09:15:15

Colin@3's clearly got a chip on his shoulder - Speeding Ticket? Caught peeing up a close? - but #'s 1 & 2 are spot on. If you'd taken the trouble to check your facts, Mr Editor - thought that was the first rule of Journalism, with the second being 'Check them Again'? - you'd have realised what you've printed is Englandshire News. Jaqui Smith has no remit in North Britain; Kenny MacAskill has confirmed the Scottish Government will honour the Arbitration finding in full.
Must try harder!

6

Queen D,

Glasgow 06/12/2007 09:18:51

Dear God!They can't even spin properly.

They could have had the headline that the SNP were picking fights with Westminster!(Again)

7

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06/12/2007 09:40:01
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8

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06/12/2007 09:45:49
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9

Methspain,

06/12/2007 09:46:25

...and I'll bet my pension they WON'T strike. A crappy piece of journalism from a rag.

10

Methspain,

06/12/2007 09:50:39

Actually, just go to http://tinyurl.com/39qsa9 and read what the TRUE story is.

11

connaughtboy,

06/12/2007 10:23:33

Laughable journalism. Michael Howie get a grip, this article is factually incorrect and the Hootsmon is way behind the current news. It just makes you appear as incompetent as your hero Wendy Alexander.

12

Gregor Addison,

Scotland 06/12/2007 10:59:45

According to the Herald: "Scotland does not have to adhere to the decision and Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill will take a different approach which will mean a full 2.5% pay rise for officers north of the border."

http://theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1884666.0.0.php

I hope the Scotsman will welcome this go it alone approach from the Scottish Government, ensuring that a strike does not happen here in Scotland. Of course, I know they won't.

Incidentally, what are the bets on their being comments allowed on any Wendy Alexander story tomorrow? Maybe we should start a sweep stake.

13

Methspain,

06/12/2007 11:05:23

12

Correct. THIS paper has got the wrong end of the stick - there's a surprise. I think they make it up as they go along.

14

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06/12/2007 11:23:55
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Gregor Addison,

Scotland 06/12/2007 11:29:48

Has anyone else noticed that as well as not allowing any comments on any stories to do with Wendy Alexander, the back issues function no longer allows you to view any story within the last two months?

16

Talorthane,

06/12/2007 11:45:22

15. Gregor Addison

I noticed that too.

Again, you do find yourself wondering if the Scotsman are doing everything in their power to pretect the Labour party, by preventing the public going back to check out what Wendy and others said in the past.

17

An Gearanach,

End the corruption now 06/12/2007 13:11:14
18

Riley Hamish,

Edina 06/12/2007 13:20:01

Oh Dear Oh Dear.
Hootsman........you really ARE getting as bad as some here have been telling you for ages.
I know you won't listen........but you REALLY DO have to try and keep up !!!

(Another former buyer lost)

19

karin·m,

06/12/2007 13:45:28

people i am sorry but it is time to stand up against the propaganda printed by this newspaper.

Everyone who thinks we should have fair reporting should take a peice of A4 paper and print on it

In my opinion this paper is biased
Do you wish to read a paper that is unbiased if so in my opinion do not pick this one.

Print this on A4 paper and leave it on top of the pile of scotsmans at the newsagent.

In order to sue you the paper would have to prove they were not biased one way or the other and your opinion was therefore libel.

Expect my comment to be removed now. please copy and paste this comment on all boards.

20

karin·m,

06/12/2007 13:47:36

sctosman either declare your allegiance or stop being biased

21

Duncan in Edinburgh /,

06/12/2007 14:25:57

Karin - I've yet to read a paper that does not have bias - or do you believe in a Communist or Fascist state where everyone has to follow and believe The Truth of the Dear Leader and his acolytes?

By making threats like this you show the tartan Taleban for what they are - an ignorant, intollerant bunch of nasty spiteful individuals. The Tartan Taleban have all the characteristics of a cult - they are the political equivalent of the Scientologists - a quasi-religious therapy group of ego-massagers.

22

Talorthane,

06/12/2007 14:40:32

Duncan in Edinburgh

"By making threats like this you show the tartan Taleban for what they are - an ignorant, intollerant bunch of nasty spiteful individuals. The Tartan Taleban have all the characteristics of a cult - they are the political equivalent of the Scientologists - a quasi-religious therapy group of ego-massagers."

Your comments are the most "ignorant", "intolerable" and "spiteful" to appear on this thread.

And your closing statement shows that you are completely off your rocker.

23

Talorthane,

06/12/2007 14:41:51

That should ahve read:

Your comments are the most "ignorant", "intolerant" and "spiteful" to appear on this thread."

24

Methspain,

06/12/2007 17:28:18

I emailed Michael Howie. He explained that the government didn't inform the Scotsman of their plans before they went to press.

I take him at his word.

25

karin·m,

06/12/2007 18:08:12

25 methspain do they not have any contacts in the government then. maybe thats because they are a bunch of labour apologists and naebody in the government wants to talk to them.

26

karin·m,

06/12/2007 18:09:01

Although that in itself is poor journalism should they not have tried to contact someone in the government for a quote.

27

karin·m,

06/12/2007 18:22:28

22 DiE fine could you point me in the direction of an snp biased daily paper.

28

walter,

06/12/2007 18:39:14

Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, Kim Il-sung, Chavez, Amin and many more all using one means or another prevented any criticism of them their parties or policies in the media with in their country.
It looks like Karin and others wish the same in Scotland.

29

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06/12/2007 20:35:00
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Miss H,

06/12/2007 20:38:35

Duncan Karin is just expressing her opinion.

People are allowed to do that you know.

It is a fundamental mistake to equate being argumentative, possibly even somewhat unreasonable, with being some kind of a fascist. It's a stupid argument and makes you look stupid, which I don't think you are.

Anyway, here is a true story. Going back a frightening number of years ago, when Magnus Linklater was editor of the Scotsman he printed a big anti-SNP piece then came to SNP Conference. An SNP member did very much as Karin suggests. She printed on a piece of paper 'The Scotsman tells lies' and followed Magnus Linklater about with it.

What made it amusing is that she was his mum.

31

karîn m,

06/12/2007 20:40:31

moderated again for nothing.

32

karîn m,

06/12/2007 20:42:01

well not nothing it was probably the whole

it is time to stand up against the propaganda printed by this newspaper.
Everyone who thinks we should have fair reporting should take a peice of A4 paper and print on it
In my opinion this paper is biased
Do you wish to read a paper that is unbiased if so in my opinion do not pick this one.

Print this on A4 paper and leave it on top of the pile of scotsmans at the newsagent.
In order to sue you the paper would have to prove they were not biased one way or the other and your opinion was therefore libel.
Expect my comment to be removed now. please copy and paste this comment on all boards.

33

karîn m,

06/12/2007 20:42:31

hello miss h

34

karîn m,

06/12/2007 20:43:39

right scotsman now you have just proven my point that you are biased by moderating me for calling for people to stand up to you.

35

taylor,

I was stuck in traffic for 35mins the system sucks 07/12/2007 00:36:09

If they go on strike we don’t have to pay them.
Maybe we should privatise the police force and then we may be able to get rid of all the dead wood.
Stream line, efficiency and good public relations.
Also answer directly to the common man and woman who pay taxes, 2 strikes and your out.

36

DOWNTRODDEN,

ENGLAND 07/12/2007 16:59:57

I HAVE READ THE COMENTS MADE ON THIS SITE AND CAN SEE ONLY ONE REASON WHY SUCH OFFENSIVE COMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY SO MANY ABOUT THE POLICE. THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE RECIEVING END OF THE GOVERNMENTS DISREPECT AGENDA, OR YOU ARE A CRIMINAL WHO HAS SOMETHING TO FEAR. EITHER WAY YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE FURTHER THAN YOUR NOSE AND LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE POLICE IS NOT PERSONAL, ITS JUST A GOVERNMENT THAT THINS IT CAN IGNORE PUBLIC OPINION ABOUT EVERYTHING. YES THE POLICE GET SOMETHINGS WRONG BUT DOESN'T EVERYONE, THATS HOW WE LEARN TO GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME. YOU CAN GARANTEE IF YOU ARE IN TROUBLE THE POLICE WILL COME RUNNING. THE ONLY THING THAT STOPS THEM IS THIS GOVERNMENT BY REDUCING VIA STEALTH THE AMOUNT THERE ARE. AT SOME POINT NOW OR IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY. IT JUST DEPENDS ON IF IT IS BEFORE OR AFTER THE GOVERNMENT DESTROY WHAT IS LEFT AND GIVE YOU ALL A POLICE FORCE MADE UP OF SECURITY GAURDS. I FOR ONE WOULD NOT STRIKE BUT I WOULD GIVE MY LIFE IF IT MEANT SAVING ANOTHER.


 

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