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Published Date: 24 January 2008
A FIREFIGHTER was killed when the engine in which he was travelling crashed while responding to a false alarm at a primary school.
John Noble, 46, was killed when the vehicle came off the A91, near Tillicoultry, in Clackmannanshire, and struck a tree at about 1:30pm yesterday.

Three of his colleagues from the fire-and-rescue station in Alloa were injured.

No other vehicle
was involved in the accident, which happened close to the Harviestoun Country Hotel, at a bend in the road. The immediate area is believed to be an accident black spot.

One of the injured crew was described as being in a "serious" condition after being airlifted to the Southern General Hospital, in Glasgow, which specialises in head injuries.

Two colleagues were being treated for minor injuries at Stirling Royal Infirmary.

Mr Noble, who lived in Alloa and had been with the fire service for 22 years, was married with two children.

He had only recently returned from Texas, where he underwent specialist training in how to deal with the aftermath of disasters like terrorist attacks.

He made the trip with 21 other Scottish firefighters for the two-week urban search-and-rescue course. They are the only firefighters in the UK to be certified as structural-collapse technicians.

Mr Noble, who had previously been to Texas for another course, in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks, also visited Russia last summer to teach rescue workers how to deal with road accidents and extract crash victims from wrecked cars.

Central Scotland Fire and Rescue Service has launched an investigation into the accident, which led to the closure of the A91 from Tillicoultry-Dollar.

The team had been on its way to Strathdevon Primary, in Dollar, Clackmannanshire, in response to an alarm call. It later emerged that the alarm had set itself off.

Jim Wallace, one of the directors of the fire and rescue service, said: "Mr Noble was an experienced and popular firefighter and individual.

"He'll be sadly missed in what is a very small, close-knit organisation. We're devastated."

Arie Rodenburg, a worker at the Hillfoots Garden Centre and Golf Driving Range, near the scene of the crash, said: "We just heard a big noise. It seems as if they were going a bit too fast round the corner and crashed."

Chief Inspector Donald McMillan, of Central Scotland Police, said that it was too early to discuss the cause of the incident and that an investigation is ongoing.



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  • Last Updated: 24 January 2008 8:51 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The emergency services
 
1

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Somewhere in Edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:30:43
If they catch the moron who set off the false alarm I hope there is sufficient criminal legislation in law to charge them with manslaughter, in the same manner that company directors can be held culpable for the death of an employee.

If not, disgraceful.
2

Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 09:44:21
It was fortunate that there was no fire.Otherwise the possibility of more casualties.
3

Rob7,

England 24/01/2008 10:48:52
#1 Unfortunately the criminals will get away with it because it's their human right to cause problems for fun!
4

Fellow firefighter,

Dundee 24/01/2008 10:53:34
The Firefighters involved were not 'on their way to a false alarm'. Firefighters are mobilised to suspected or confirmed emergencies. They can only be classified as false alarms when an investigation has been carried out by the fire crews at the scene. Firefighters only 'return' from false alarms.
5

McMicrogal,

24/01/2008 11:06:28
#2 while I appreciate your sentiments, your wording comes across as somewhat callous.

#4 I agree entirely. I have sat in Thornton and listened to the hoax calls come in (dad was DO) including one made in my name, and watched crews being dispatched on wasted journies that HAD to be treated as genuine shouts. The sooner these nutters realise that their inane actions have dreadful consequences the better.
6

Yo-Yo,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:50:20
The person that died in this accident and those injured have my deepest sympathy.

Having said that this was an accident that could have been prevented. Pump Tenders like the ones used by the fire service were never designed to be driven at speed anywhere, especially in cities or on twisted roads and round rounabouts.

There should be speed limiters fitted on these vehicles as they can be unstable on rounabouts and bends given that they carry water.

I am also of the opinion that the drivers do not have the driving experience required as they do not drive very many miles or hours in these vehicles.

7

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 24/01/2008 11:53:59
Hello All,

#5....Scum that make raise such false alarms do NOT care about the consequences: society and 'do-gooders' from the PC Crowd have told them all their lives, that they're 'victims' of society and that they are NOT to blame for their bad behaviour...so what consequences?

#3....'Problems' are something that are 'fixable': a family that no longer has a son, a father, a husband, or a brother, is not a problem; it is a permanent hole in people's lives.

Lastly, allow me to say that unless you Scots get on the ball and oust politicians who keep promoting the Politically Correct Line, NOTHING will change in Scotland for the better.

Here in the States, it took the closing down of hospitals, criminally over crowded schools (and limited supplies, aide time, etc.), rapes/auto-homicides/robberies/murders by illegal aliens (mostly Mexicans), before people stopped listening to the Politically Correct Mob and began to think rationally and reasonably about things.

Now, in the Southwest, which has a HIGH population of Americans of Hispanic descent, towns, cities, and states, are passing laws which take away the safe-havens and incentives for illegals to stay.

Things on that front are changing for the better.

I hope such will be the case for Scotland in this area; people who believe that there are no real and lasting consequences to their actions.

Cheers from the Rockies

PS. I'll pray for the firefighters' family, that the Lord will give them His Peace.

8

Jocknroll,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 12:41:09
#1: If you read the story fully you'll see that "It later emerged that the alarm had set itself off". So on this occasion it wasn't deliberately set off. Although the point is well made about those who do commit these stupid acts.
9

Lithgyman,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 12:42:17
Have any of the posters above actually read the article?
The alarm set itself off! It wasn't a deliberate act of malice.

I think you just have to accept that sometimes accidents happen. If they didn't we wouldn't need the fire brigade or mountain rescue or the ambulance service or the RNLI etc etc anything like as much as we do.
10

Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 13:07:29
5#McMicrogal You are of course entitled to your interpretation.Which, would be a reflection of?
11

Alasdair91,

Dollar, Clackmannanshire 24/01/2008 16:40:30
While at school yesterday there was a tannoy announcing we would be going home via Coalsnaughton as there had been an accident.
My best friend's father was on duty and he was at the scene on the crash - Helping with the injured.
The man that died seems to have been known by everyone and there was a solemn atmosphere around the area today - Especially in Dollar + Tillicoultry.
It turns out that it was burnt toast that had set the alarm off - As it has done in the past (I used to attend Strathdevon).
So for all you, "I hope the folk that did it die/get put away" people - It was nobodies fault.

I can't say how upset and sorry i feel for the families that have been affected :(
12

Cynicaltalk,

E Lothian 24/01/2008 18:35:37

While it is in no way relevant to the tragic incident, i feel i have to set the record straight on a few points made in earlier posts.

Fire alarms can go off because of a multitude of reasons. Defective systems, dust, fumes from industrial processes, cooking fumes, as well as malicious activations. There is nothing to suggest that this was a malicious alarm.

Secondly, fire appliances never GO to a false alarm, they only return from them. Every single alarm is treated as a real incident until such a time as we can confirm it is a false alarm. The crew of this appliance were responding to what they believe may have been a fire at a school.

But this does not detract from the fact that a firefighter has been killed and his colleagues injured. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.

PS; Hopefully some of the clowns who constantly comment on 'lazy firemen', playing pool, sleeping all night and driving taxi's on their days off, will take a few minutes to ponder about the harsh realities and daily threats that this job brings. All in the service of others.
13

jerrymanders,

L&B 24/01/2008 18:47:52
#6

Firefighters go through rigorous driver training to drive under blue lights (EFAD Training). Speed limiters would cause far more accidents. Lastly these machines, (pumps), are designed for the job, including getting there. Don't make sweeping statements when you don't know the facts.
14

Russell M,

Stirling 01/02/2008 20:22:15
FIRST - The A91, near Tillicoultry, is a tortured stretch of road which in some countries would have been straightened out by now.
SECOND - Maybe the Smoke Detector/Alarm/Sprinkler System balance needs to be reassessed. From my experience in University Halls, sprinkler systems are not required in UK public or commercial buildings. And the reliance on (solid?) wooden fire doors seems something less than state of the art.
THIRD - It's curious how the term 'false alarm' disappeared from some media accounts of this incident after a few days. Turning this event from a spur to improve "the system" to an exercise in community grief.

Change happens, improvement requires volition.

 

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