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Published Date: 12 July 2008
ONE observer dubbed the G8 the "Glastonbury of diplomacy" – the kind of event that everybody wants to attend. But as the dust settles on the Japan summit of the world's most powerful economies, questions are being asked about their ability to fulfil the heady pledges on climate change, third-world aid and global sanctions on the corrupt regime of the Zimbabwean president, Robert Mugabe.



There is cross-party praise, however, for the efforts of Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, in driving Zimbabwe to the top of the international political agenda. This still holds true despite Russia and China's decision last night to use their
veto at the UN Security Council on sanctions against Mugabe's regime.

Many believe, too, that Britain's standing in the world has been enhanced – not least, as poverty campaigner Bob Geldof recognised, because it is one of the few G8 countries likely to meet its Gleneagles summit pledge to provide extra aid to Africa by 2010.

Tabloid coverage of the summit may have been dominated by the bad timing of the eight-course, 19-dish banquet served up to the leaders as they discussed soaring food prices, and Mr Brown also faced the embarrassment of being cast as the brooding anti-hero Heathcliff, after agreeing to the comparison in a magazine interview. But the three-day summit – involving the UK, United States, Canada, Japan, France, Italy, Germany and Russia – did see a key change in Russia's position with regard to imposing new sanctions on Zimbabwe.

However, now that the debate has moved to the United Nations and Russia and China have failed to approve any new measures, these hopes have been dashed. The measures would have imposed a worldwide travel ban on Mr Mugabe and 13 of what the Prime Minister calls his "criminal cabal".

This would have frozen their assets – including, for the first time, any cash secreted in Swiss bank accounts, and prevented the embarrassment of having Mr Mugabe able to attend world conferences. It would also have imposed a ban on the sale of arms and military equipment to Zimbabwe and led to a UN envoy being sent to Harare.

Observers had thought China would back the sanctions in the belief that it would not wish to attract criticism over Darfur and with the Beijing Olympic Games only a month away, it would not wish to be the only nation sticking up for Zimbabwe. Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's new president, played hardball with Mr Brown over the diplomatic disputes between their two countries on the murder of Alexander Litvinenko, the closure of the British Council in Moscow and the denying of visas to staff at oil company BP.

But, according to Mike Gapes, the Labour chairman of the Commons foreign affairs committee, getting Russia to sign up to the G8 condemnation of Zimbabwe was highly significant.

He told The Scotsman: "I think the Prime Minister was very effective in shifting Russia's public position. Previously, the Russians would never have signed up to any statement which was critical of the Mugabe regime."

Speaking before the Russian and Chinese vetoes last night, Georgina Godwin, a Zimbabwean journalist, said the sanctions would have created a "trickle-down effect of demonisation of Zimbabwe", and in particular the leadership of Mugabe's Zanu-PF party, that would discourage blue-chip firms from investing in the country.

"It's very important to note these are targeted sanctions," she said. "I'm hoping there will be some sort of a short-term loss for a long-term gain. The level of violence is unsustainable."

Not only was Mr Brown regarded as having taken the lead on Zimbabwe, but his long-standing personal commitment to Africa – which dates from well before he entered No 10 – was vital in securing extra funds for malaria nets, anti-Aids medicines and better educational facilities for the continent.

According to Malcolm Bruce, the Liberal Democrat chairman of the Commons international development committee, the giving of foreign aid does much to enhance Britain's status abroad – not least at a time when the US has lost its moral authority as the world policeman's after invading Iraq without securing prior approval of the UN.

Mr Bruce told The Scotsman: "What I have identified in the three years I have been chairing this committee is that Britain's influence in the world is substantial.

"It's entirely because of our international development policy – we seem to have a very ethical approach that is based on poverty reduction and is divorced from foreign policy interests. That distinguishes us very sharply from the US and France. In developing countries, we are regarded with respect for what we have done. Consequently, we get heard.

"I give Gordon Brown credit. He certainly led the world on debt relief. Before he became Prime Minister, he did this tour of Africa. You can see a clear commitment to dealing with the issues. That means he will probably get resonance from developing and emerging countries, more than the US will.

"Ten years ago, America was the world leader. I don't think that is true any more. It has the military power, but it no longer has the moral authority."

Mr Gapes agreed, saying: "We do have an influence which is greater than our economic position or our weight in the world because of the effectiveness of what we do internationally."

The other big issue on which advances were made in Japan was climate change. There was a toughening of the pledge to achieve a 50 per cent reduction in emissions by 2050, though this was tempered with the moving of the baseline from which the target will be measured. For 1990, read 2007 – which means the target will not be as challenging as environmental campaigners hoped.

But the host nation preferred to look at the positives. It believes that the 1990 Kyoto emissions targets were too ambitious – and regards the US president George Bush's acceptance this week of the 50 per cent target as a major step forward.

Japan also views as vital the inclusion of African countries in the "off-centre stage" discussions, and the involvement of India and China on climate change. However, doesn't the shifting of the agenda, from Hokkaido in Japan to the UN building in New York, show that the real decisions are taken at the 15-member Security Council – of which the UK is one of five permanent members – while the annual G8 summit is little more than a talking shop?

With the Security Council in session, Zimbabwe had warned that the proposed sanctions could push it towards civil war.

"At the end of the day, the Security Council is far more important than the G8," Mr Gapes said. "The G8 is just an expression of opinion among the most important economies in the world."

As for Mr Brown's personal standing, praise has been forthcoming from friend and foe alike. Andrew Mackinlay, a Labour member of the foreign affairs committee and one of Westminster's more outspoken members, said tackling weighty issues would have suited Mr Brown's style.

"I think his natural style is enormous preparation. That would have seen him playing to his strengths," he said.

"I think there is a need for a G8 and I'm glad that, for the first time, this has been done with a minimum of trumpeting. The whole idea is that the key players should meet intimately. There is no substitute for eye-to-eye contact, and the bilateral meetings on the margins are also important. One day it will not be the G8 – it will be the G9, 10 or 11."

Failure to bring about climate of change

Duncan McLaren

Chief Executive, Friends of the Earth Scotland


THE G8 conference has been an absolute failure in terms of action on climate change. Aiming to cut climate– changing emissions to 50 per cent by 2050 is completely inadequate and demonstrates a total lack of leadership by the world's richest and most polluting nations.

There is no baseline year for this cut, and also no interim targets, making the figure effectively meaningless. If the G8 leaders believe a vague target set 42 years in the future will create the illusion of action being taken they should think again.

Developing nations have demanded that the rich nations of the world, who created these problems, must take urgent, strong action on climate change now with a programme leading to 80-95 per cent reductions by 2050.

They must also provide generous additional funding for developing nations. But the G8's support for the World Bank to take control of funds to tackle climate change is deeply worrying. This risks diverting funds from poverty relief rather than adding to them.

Moreover, as the world's largest investor in fossil fuel projects, the World Bank has no credibility in tackling climate change.

We need strong, action on climate change now, not just political posturing and meaningless targets. The G8 should leave climate change to the official UN processes where meaningful targets are on the table.

Lack of leadership on food and fuel crises

JEREMY HOBBS

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, OXFAM


I WENT to Hokkaido feeling pessimistic about whether the G8 would act decisively on the big causes of a world in crisis. And so it proved, on food, fuel, climate change and the global economy. So let's stick a label on Hokkaido – "feeble" – but there was more going on underneath.

The G8 is not irrelevant. Let's not let these rich countries off the hook. They are still important in the fight for a better world. Despite important steps by some governments, there was a lack of collective leadership. They lost us all crucial time.

Oxfam and other groups helped to push the $50 billion (£25 billion) Gleneagles extra aid pledge by 2010 back on the agenda. But good proposals on health were undermined – last year's commitment of $60 billion (£30 billion) is now to be spent over five years – a net cut.

Their "50 per cent cuts by 2050" to tackle climate change sounded like progress – but closer inspection shows a dirtier and unsafe future. In 1990, global greenhouse gas levels were 36 gigatonnes. Today they are 47Gt. By 2050, they must be just 7Gt if we are to have any chance of halting two-degree warming. Halving global emissions by 2050 – even with a baseline date of 1990, and with no interim targets – will still saddle us with 18Gt, more than double our limit.

The communiqué barely mentioned biofuels as one of the main causes of food crises. It is like discussing the Titanic and ignoring the iceberg.







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  • Last Updated: 12 July 2008 12:15 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The G8
 
1

McScotch identity crisis; indupundunce noo,

12/07/2008 00:20:06
Alex Salmond should have gone along to this g8 thing, he is always saying that he is King of the richest most liked peopledom in the whole galaxy.
2

2dogs in D.C.,

12/07/2008 00:40:07
My guess would be "Talking shop". If anyone out in forumasphere can tell me anything good the G8 have done lately, please do so, I haven't a clue what that could be.Thanks in advance, 2 Dogs.
3

Iainbroch,

Moray 12/07/2008 00:48:19
re 2

The purpose is not to do good but to stuff thier faces stupid with 19 courses.If any talking got done it was out of thier a!!!!!
4

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA Obama smoke n mirrors ..McCain is Bu 12/07/2008 01:05:04

These G8 meetings are nothing short of obscene boon-doggles.

Our evil Pres Bush attends, while back home ,Fannie Mae and Mac are about to collapse, and will need $3.8 trillion (£1.9 trillion) to bail them out.

Yes dudes, that's a trillion not billion.
Looks like our American dollar credit balloon, is close to imploding.

But it won't effect Bush or Cheney they have deep pockets.

Meanwhile we have Barack Hussein Obama (smoke n mirrors) and McCain a wooden Bush. seeking the White House job.

Hey World be very afraid....... our capitalist balloon is close to crashing.

So smile and read on . life is too short to get too serious.
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A lady approaches a priest and tells him, "Father, I have a problem.

I have these two talking female parrots, but They only
say "Hi, we are pr*ostitutes. Do you want to have some FUN?'"

"That's terrible!", the priest exclaimed, "Bring your two talking female parrots over to my house and I will put them with my two male talking parrots who I have taught to pray and read the Bible.

Then my parrots will teach your parrots to stop saying that terrible phrase and your female parrots will learn to pray and worship."

So the next day, the lady brings her female parrots to the priest's house. The priest's two male parrots are holding rosary beads and praying in their cage.

The lady puts her female talking parrots in and they say, "Hi, we are Prostitutes! Do you want to have some FUN?"

One male parrot looks over to the other male parrot and says,
"PUT THE BIBLES AWAY CLARENCE! OUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!"


GC
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/07/2008 05:00:22
Here is a well-turned comment from the British Association for Monetary Reform:

"If you were given a licence by to create money out of thin air and spend it, you might be tempted to plurge on the privilege to such an extent that money became worthless. You might have a yearning to buy the worlds oil resources, or the worlds drug companies, or the worlds press or all three and if you did this without circumspection, new money would appear in circulation so fast that you would become a joke and locked up for being crazy. But if you were a bit cunning and issued the new money you created out of thin air as credit, charged interest for its use and obtained legal authority to foreclose on whatever property you earmarked as collateral for your credit, and you decided to preserve the privilege for doing all this in perpetuity, you would get it all wrapped up so that your family would inherit the privilege for generations.

You would ensure that enough people were beneficiaries of your privilege to establish a power structure that would embrace the whole globe. You would have your head hunters bring under your patronage every appropriately unethical person for every key function."
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John Cameron,

Broughty Ferry 12/07/2008 07:32:58
This must be the sorriest bunch of "leaders" ever to attend a G8 Jolly. No wonder they address silly. peripheral, issues such as the Global Warming Obsession - a chattering class distraction if ever there was one. I was surprised not to hear the Big Awkward offer to send his two fictional aircraft carriers to remove Mugabe since his knowledge of geography is about as comprehensive as his knowledge of economics.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/07/2008 10:08:35
"Talking shop". No doubts about that.

"Many believe, too, that Britain's standing in the world has been enhanced – not least, as poverty campaigner Bob Geldof recognised, because it is one of the few G8 countries likely to meet its Gleneagles summit pledge to provide extra aid to Africa by 2010."

Well if Saint Bob says it's so it must be true. The man's a deluded fruitcake. Same as us for permitting Brown to pour our wealth unrelentingly and unquestioningly into the cesspit of corruption, violence and waste that is Africa. Conditions have to be set and met before any further contributions are made.

Africans need to go through this transitional period and get the act together, oherwise no matter how much "aid" is put in it will find itself going to Swiss accounts, despots' favourites and then there's the question of populations going out of control because of aid. Yet this is one of the primary problems and not just in Africa.
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La5t_minit,

12/07/2008 10:34:58
G8 meetings are just an excuse for a Pi55 up and a free holiday for over paid pampered politicians. If they really cared about doing something worthwhile they would do all teh taking via video conference and save the millions they waste on travel, security etc then put it to some worthwhile cause....

Never happen though as they are all in it for what they can get personally and couldnt give a rats f4rt about anything else.
9

Media 1,

cape town 12/07/2008 10:56:56
The G8 is what we have allowed. They dont need to be there making decisions, we could all change it together if we wanted, but who has the time to dedicate to million people gatherings weekend after weekend in an attempt to change things?
10

Tris,

12/07/2008 14:03:50

Complete, total and utter waste of time, money, food and drink.

A dead-in-the-water English first minister, (I say English, because he was too ashamed when he was in America to call himself Scottish), a lame-duck American president that no one pays any attention to any more, a criminal Italian prime minister, awaiting yet another trial for some corrupt practice, a nut-case French president more interested in his young wife. More food than a small African country sees in a month, lakes of overpriced imported wine, loads of hot air. The English first minister wants to compete with the American president so hires a private jet from Texas to take him from London to Tokyo to talk about global warming (you couldn't make it up).

They all talk a pile of rubbish, making promises that most of them won't even be alive to see. Their wives (or husbands) play at tea ceremonies at our expense, and then they all come home to tell us how wonderful they have been.

Utterly sickening. Nothing's changed. Except a pile of fat, useless, thick parasites (see I'm taking the fat toff boy Cameron at his word and saying things the way they are) have had a good wee break at our expense.
11

Tris,

12/07/2008 14:05:15


PS... has none of them heard of video conferencing, and a chicken sandwich?
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12/07/2008 14:51:04
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13

Joe Macdelta.,

12/07/2008 15:08:50
What a waste of time, space and energy, just one big beanfeast, a club for R-soles.
14

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/07/2008 21:51:26
MONEY that is MADE . This is the key factor to understanding modern economics. When private bankers had made enough money to pay themselves handsomely, they built huge imposing stone temples at every center of commerce and trade to convince the general public that they were the only people that could be trusted to issue a Nation's currency. That they should have a legal monopoly on it. There are hierarchies within and amongst banks but the Governor of the Bank of England would always be an english gentleman. That loads of money was actually and to this day made in the global drug trade wasn't talked about.

Here is the nub of the economic crisis. The public believe that bankers should be the only people trusted to issue money and here they couldn't be more dangerously wrong. We always expect money to be "remade" so we can then earn it and pay interest on it now in circulation + redeem the debt at some point. Bankers used to like lending money to governments eg ours, but it's getting ever more vexed to squeeze money from the taxpayer by all means possible, legal and compulsory to pay the banker who merely created this money on his computer. Like when you own a car, then drive to an airport, you're a sitting duck for the taxman. Money can also be "unmade" ie demonitized and this would conveniently wipe out democracies such as exist. On the bright side, every bank would shut it doors and you might get 10p back for every £ of the old currency.

What can you do about it? Getting involved in a local exchange currency seems a good idea. Can you be committed to it? It'll take up your spare time.

Or we could all (ie most of us with a brain) vote SNP and save the planet. Mission impossible? That's when Scots show their mettle.
15

Alan B,

14/07/2008 12:24:25
G8 might be a talking shop but surely that is the idea.

It is surely better to get the world leaders together built personal relationships and try to address some of the world issues. Talking is better than fighting.

Part of the issue is the way brown used the gleneagles summit for polical purposes ie poll rating. As such it has become a beacon to hit the g8 with.

It also needs reviewed as a structure. Bringing in china, india (possibly brazil) and the eu with italy and canada leaving would be a step in the right direction.
16

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 14/07/2008 14:03:25
Just a telking shop, and a very poor one at that!
17

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 15/07/2008 07:06:38
More a hushed whisper shop than a talking shop, but on 2nd thoughts - perhaps a mumbling shop, as they seemed to have shoved 19 courses in their mouths, talking could be difficult - even for politicians.

Gordon Brown would have blended in well!

 

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