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Rail trip takes 8 minutes but you queue for 20 for ticket



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Published Date: 29 May 2008
WHEN Scotland's newest railway opened two weeks ago, guests on the inaugural journey on a steam train between Alloa and Stirling were amused at the shortness of the trip.
Now the joke has worn a little thin, with commuters forced to wait up to 20 minutes at Stirling station, because operators First ScotRail have failed to install a ticket machine at Alloa.

Unable to pay their fare before they get on board, passenge
rs have little chance to catch the conductor's attention as he moves through the train before it stops, eight minutes later, in Stirling.

As a result, they find themselves queuing for more than double the duration of the journey in order to buy a ticket to exit the station barrier.

The Earl of Mar and Kellie, a transport spokesman in the Lords, and a regular on the route, said the problem was putting people off using the service.

The earl, known as Jamie Erskine, said: "A lot of the trains I have been on so far have been full and the only way to get a ticket is to buy one from the conductor. However, there is no way everyone on the train can buy a ticket in the eight and a half minutes or so it takes to get to Stirling.

"On Saturday morning, the train from Alloa to Glasgow was full. When we got to Stirling, 80 people got off and about 60 had to queue to get a ticket from the two staff on the barrier.

"Some people had to queue 15 minutes or more."

Another passenger, Archie McGirr, from Alloa, added: "The train was punctual and clean and there was easy access – which was great. But we had to queue for over 20 minutes at Stirling, which wasn't so great.

"On a ten-minute journey, the train conductor could not possibly handle the volume of passengers for ticket sales.

"This is the type of situation that drove people away from public transport and into cars in the 1960s and we know what happened to Alloa station then – it was closed."

Last night, a passenger watchdog suggested ScotRail may have thought the six-figure cost of a ticket machine too expensive after the final bill for the project topped £85 million, about £48 million over budget.

Robert Samson, the manager of Passenger Focus, said: "It would seem the line is proving successful, but we would urge ScotRail to look at the situation and put in mechanisms to solve this problem.

"Ticket machines are not cheap – up to six figures – so perhaps they've looked at the business case and decided against it. This is a bit surprising considering the millions which were spent reopening the line."

Keith Brown, the Ochil MSP, said he had written to First ScotRail calling on the company to install a ticket machine. "This is an unacceptable inconvenience on an otherwise fantastic service," he said.

A spokesman for First ScotRail said last night: "We are aware that the demand has resulted in ticketing issues, and we are looking to resolve these for the benefit of our many new customers."



The full article contains 529 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 28 May 2008 9:47 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The railways
 
1

Concerned local,

Edinburgh 29/05/2008 07:51:44
Well, peopel should think twice about ticket machines and ticket barriers. I regularly use Haymarket station and even if you arrive up to 45 minutes before you're scheduled train you are not guaranteed to catch it because of queues at the ticket office and broken machines. The problem is exacerbated when you have booked in advance for collection and turn up at the station to find the office closed. Their website makes out advance booking is a fast and convenient way of avoiding delay and queues. I missed a train I had already paid a ticket for because the staff refused to reopen the ticket office, even although I had already booked a ticket two weeks in advance. Neither would they let me catch the train, using my booking confirmation e-mail and booking reference number as proof of purchase.

When I was directed to the machines I politely asked why should I pay twice, I have already paid and I just want to collect my ticket and get my train, and was rudely told to shut up and to either buy another ticket out of the machines or wait until the ticket office opened again. Needless to say they made sure it didn't open until about a minute before my train was due, despite the staff obviously being there and carrying on other work, thus ensuring I had no time to catch it. A few seconds and a courtesy to a passenger was all that was needed, instead I was left waiting 45 minutes for a ticket and another hour for the next train....
2

Breezy,

Argyll 29/05/2008 08:25:42
Sounds just like B&Q, but of course, that's why they put the ' Q ' in their name in the first place, was'nt it ?
3

Boy Wonder,

29/05/2008 08:27:20
The Age of the old Train passed a long time ago. We need Hi-Speed Maglev ... now.
4

HMB,

Glasgow 29/05/2008 09:15:47
FSR are still incredibly hostile towards the ticket machines and towards people who use them. A ticket machine ate my money without giving a ticket. I went to the station manager in a rage and he had me *fill out a form* to get my money back. He said he couldn't open the machine to get my money because that was the repairman's job. *Two months later* I got a call from a gruff jobsworth at Glasgow Queen Street demanding to know when I was going to come in and pick up my money. Yes, you are expected to huff yourself all the way to Queen Street to pick up your own money eaten at an outlying commuter station.

Unsurprisingly, they got the Scottish Executive to subsidise the ticket barriers at Queen Street. Proof that they are so disgusted by automation that they left the taxpayers to pay for the equipment which enables it.
5

Steven P,

edinburgh 29/05/2008 10:32:27
#5...
First Scotrail are incredibly hostile full stop - nothing to do with automation.
Their whole approach to customer service is to assume that all passengers are fare-dodgers.
Next time an onboard conductor makes a ticket check, go through a 'wheres my ticket' routine - check pockets, wallet, floor - irritates the c**p out of them when you finally produce it. Puerile I know, but First Scotrail irritate the c**p out of me with their surly arrogant boorish attitude.
6

HMB,

Glasgow 29/05/2008 10:49:12
#6 I couldn't agree with you more, in fact one of the factors which led me to quit the workforce and set up my own business was how fed up I was with FSR, their hostile attitude, their 19th century business model, and being treated as an assumed fare dodger rather than a paying commuter (some days I was asked to show my ticket six times in less than an hour.) Knowing that you are being put through these absurdities for the sake of creating and preserving jobs which could have been automated half a century ago is beyond frustrating. I am a much happier person with lower blood pressure now that I'm not putting myself through FSR twice a day.

7

JMcL,

Glasgow 29/05/2008 11:18:28
"Ticket machines are not cheap – up to six figures – so perhaps they've looked at the business case and decided against it..."

Couldn't they just hire two people to stand at Alloa station? Hey presto, two ticket machines, and still substantially less than "six figures".
8

Alberto.,

29/05/2008 13:42:48
Concerned local Edin. @ 0751hrs.

"A few seconds and a courtesy to a passenger was all that was needed, instead I was left waiting 45 minutes for a ticket and another hour for the next train...."

Gadzooks 'Concerned', did you not realise that nowadays, in many businesses, 'Courtesy and Customer Concern' - and someone simply getting off their backsides to help are, in many situations, a rarity - especially if you end up, as you seem to have done - possibly lumbered with a 'Jobsworth type, or types'.

There are rules you know!

Perhaps you were not fully aware, or appreciated that the cost of the ticket was only for the transport of your body - help and assistance, seemingly, is either 'extra' or more likely, not included!

It happens a lot these days - all over the place, so do not get depressed - you have not been singled out!

But do appreciate the service when and if you meet it - it’s still about but not breeding very fast!

It already seems to be a funny run organisation whereby they seem to have no concern for lost revenue on possible ticket sales (usually considered to be the 'lifeblood' of such businesses - but there you are).

Perhaps with the massive financial investment over run it's considered a 'drop in the ocean' by management - 'So what the hell!'

I do hope it's not a taxpayer subsidised operation, although it seems very like one!
9

Andrew,

29/05/2008 18:16:10
This is an 'own goal'/'shot-in-the-foot' rolled into one. What a lack of foresight! THE ALLOA RE-OPENING was destined TO BE AN OUTSTANDING SUCCESS (like the Bathgate re-opening before it in 1986) so GET A TICKET OFFICE and/or TICKET MACHINE INSTALLED PRONTO!!! In the meantime, as most trains 'sit' at Alloa for 20+ minutes - WHY DOESN'T THE CONDUCTOR ISSUE TICKETS TO ARRIVING PASSENGERS ON THE PLATFORM????
10

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 01/06/2008 08:59:13
This is disgraceful, it's time some P45's were issued, I hope all those treated rudely by 'rail staff' take the time to write a couple of letters and involve their MSP's & MP's as well as the TOC.
11

macca,

asia 01/06/2008 14:06:36
Get real scot rail sell the tickets at news agents or petrol stations, in Japan even a small station has around 4 machines. get yer brains oot oh yur sporans. I have been watching this line with interest, was glad it came alive again! time the railways were made a priority!
12

urban poacher,

Edinburgh 06/06/2008 01:20:40
FSR are inefficient from the top down why they were allowed to get the franchise and then take on all the useless staff from Scotrail is typical of the Labour cronyism. They make a complete mess of running FGW trains disappear and the rest are overcrowded. They must be big payers to the Labour Party to get away with it. SNP should throw them out and all their staff.

 

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