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Published Date: 12 June 2009
THE £160,000-a-year head of Scotland's civil service has been urged to resign after a highly critical parliamentary report accused him of misleading a Holyrood inquiry.
In an unprecedented attack, the public audit committee of the Scottish Parliament accused Sir John Elvidge of giving "totally unacceptable" evidence during an inquiry into the extension of FirstGroup's £2.5 billion deal to operate train services.

The committee went on to claim the impartial civil service led by Sir John was guilty of "obstruction", a "lack of co-operation" and a lack of "transparency" in its dealings with the committee.

It is rare for civil servants to be criticised, even slightly, by MSPs but it is almost unheard of for someone of Sir John's position to be attacked in such a way.

Civil servants regularly give evidence to Holyrood committees but, unlike politicians, they must remain impartial and give clear, accurate and informative evidence when asked.

Labour MSP Lord Foulkes said the position of Sir John – the Permanent Secretary at the Scottish Government – was now untenable. "I think Sir John Elvidge will have to consider his position and he should go," Lord Foulkes said.

Opposition leaders stepped back from calling for Sir John to go but demanded an emergency statement by the transport minister, Stewart Stevenson.

Presiding Officer Alex Fergusson has now been asked to look into the issue and will report back to parliament when he has investigated the matter.

A spokesman for Sir John said he would not resign but would take the committee's conclusions on board and learn lessons from them.

The critical report represented the committee's findings following its inquiry into the First ScotRail passenger franchise and the share dealings of Transport Scotland finance chief Guy Houston.

Several civil servants, including Sir John, gave evidence to the committee but the MSPs found their evidence so difficult to penetrate that one Labour MSP, Hugh Henry, accused them publicly of talking "a huge element of bull****" during one session.

Yesterday's report was more precise and parliamentary in its language, but no less damning.

"The committee considers it discourteous and obstructive that some of the evidence gathered during the course of its inquiry was only made available after repeated requests," the report said.

And it added: "The committee's work has been frustrated by having to prise information from senior civil servants and having persistently to question responses given."

The report concluded: "The committee requests that the Presiding Officer gives consideration as to how parliamentary committees can discharge their functions when there is a lack of co-operation and transparency on the part of others."

In the wake of the report, Labour MSP Lord Foulkes, a member of the committee, said: "I think that Sir John Elvidge will have to consider his position, and he should go.

"He was evasive in the evidence he gave the committee and it was extremely hard to get details out of him. He gave incorrect facts and had to come back to make corrections."

But a Scottish Government spokesman rejected Lord Foulkes's call. He said: "The Permanent Secretary will give the report early attention. Our officials are absolutely clear about the importance of providing accurate information.

"The issues raised by the committee were complex, and in some cases related to personal information, and officials will consider whether there are lessons that can be learned."

The spokesman said there were no plans to discipline any other civil servants.

The furore concerns the extension of FirstGroup's £2.5bn deal. Mr Houston, then Transport Scotland's finance chief, held shares in FirstGroup.

How doubts grew over shareholding and 'conflict of interest' risk

GUY Houston resigned last November just as public spending watchdogs revealed he had attended discussions over the ScotRail franchise extension despite holding shares in the company running the train operator.

The finance and corporate affairs director for Transport Scotland, which is in charge of the rail franchise, had retained FirstGroup shares from his previous job as finance director of the firm's bus division.

Audit Scotland said it was not clear whether Mr Houston had declared an interest or removed himself from the franchise-extension discussions he attended in March last year.

MSPs went further yesterday, raising questions about how the official had declared his shareholding in the first place, its subsequent transfer to his wife, and his involvement in other meetings about the franchise.

Mr Houston joined Transport Scotland in May 2006 and more than quadrupled his FirstGroup shares to 12,375 by March last year, as he exercised share options which could be taken only within certain time periods.

However, the public audit committee said the shareholding should have been formally declared immediately after Mr Houston's appointment, as required by civil service regulations, not nine months later.

Mr Houston transferred his shareholding to his wife days before he resigned, which the committee said had given the impression he had "disposed of his shares in an attempt to remove a perception that there was a conflict of interest".

MSPs also said they had received "wholly inaccurate" information about Mr Houston's attendance at franchise-extension discussions, and found he had been at key meetings before a decision was made.






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11/06/2009 22:01:39
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 00:29:40
There is actually somethi8ng weird about all this, and I would like to know what lies behind it. As, however, it looks like a political football, the respective members are kicking it (like little boys) rather than establishing the truth.

I dream of grown up politics.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 00:31:54
Why is it when you typo a number its always an 8 ? Don't answer I am slumbering it was an observation.
5

Iainbroch,

12/06/2009 00:37:16
re4

Perhaps he will submit himself to the Star Chamber!
6

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 00:38:51
So it was "Hapless Hyslop" who should have resigned first, until Labour clammed up, then it was Kenny MacAskill's turn, then Iain Gray turned what was meant to be 'the heat' on Alex Salmond. Now it's Sir John Elvidge's turn. If the Scotsman will permit me to use parliamentary language, this is "bullsh*t". And George Foulkes knows that more than most.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 00:40:41
More of the same from the Labour party. Despite the scoring only 15% at the recent elections in England, or 21% in Scotland, normal hostilities have resumed. No lessons learned.
8

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 00:52:10
9 Cynicus if Lord Foo is correct then I will acknowledge that. There IS something very bloody strange going on and I want to know what it is.
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Iainbroch,

12/06/2009 00:56:35
re9

However Stagecoach did not get the contract - that went to a rival company!

It is the Liebore mouthpiece The Mad Lord Fookes that is doing all the spitting as usual yet he seems to be doing it on his own - without support from anyone on the Transport committee and apparently without the support of anyone even in his own Party within the Parliament!

Or is just lets gang up on someone else this week because we have nothing better to do?
10

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 12/06/2009 01:02:00
OMG! WE can see it already!!! A prosperous Scotland is a clear contradiction to the union with London, and a unionists agenda is to see Scotland on it's knees. Kick the lot of the Unionists out of Scotland.


I take it Lard Flookes would be happy with a more Southern based company winning the contract and giving a bung to labour to put up some anti-Scottish posters at the independence debate. It is also clear reading between the lines that the report is not finalised and no decisions have been taken as the only person responsible for leaking to the press seems to an honourable member of the London upper house?
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Iainbroch,

12/06/2009 01:08:00
You mean First direct should be stripped of the contract and it should be awarded to an offshore private equity fund operating out of Bernmuda?
12

Edward,

12/06/2009 01:12:35
Labour have had in for Sir John Elvidge since day one of the SNP Government, ever since he wouldnt take orders from Westminster, thats a fact! Westminster thought that the senior civil servant would do their bidding thinking that the Scottish Civil Service were subserviant to Whitehall. Labour got a kick in the nuts when Sir John Elvidge made it clear that he and the rest of the Scottish Civil Servants would only act for the Scottish Government, he also exposed Labour Government tactics regarding certain matters to do with information between the First Ministers office and Westmnster.
Labour have had Sir John Elvidge on a black list ever since
13

Edward,

12/06/2009 01:17:33
The problem with most of the Holyrood committees are that there suffed with Labour MSP's hell bent on distrupting the flow of Government. Its a side effect of having a minority government in that the Government doesnt really have a choice in th make up of the comittees. This was seen as a problem from the very start of the SNP Government tenure.
14

Darien,

Panama 12/06/2009 01:18:36
I think we are all agreed then. Lord Foulksake is at it again. Another non story set up by New Labour spin docs.
15

Edward,

12/06/2009 01:19:21
Baron Foulkes sake is just a self serving creep that likes to think he is important and indeed is full of it. In reality he is just seen as a useful 'tool' by Labour in Westminster to have around
16

Iainbroch,

12/06/2009 01:38:16
re18

As I understood it he did not have shares in Stagecoach but in First Group! I know what you mean - dont mean to be pedantic about it!

It does seem to me though who gets the contract is very much the decision of the Committee and not of any civil servants? Did any of the politicians on the committee have shares in First Group and if so who? As it seems to me they are the ones who make the decisions on contracts!

Although the head civil servant in this case has incurred Liebores wrath because he has taken a politically neutral line compared to the Civil servants in London HQ who are now Labours appointed stooges!

Who else bid for the contract outwith First Group and Stagecoach that is?

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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 12/06/2009 01:50:52
The Scottish Civil service have been getting away with this sort of london arrogance for years now and it is obvious that now the SCOTS are in charge that they will be found out for all their UNWORTH. He was the guy who kept on calling the SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT the executive, long after the name had been changed by the electorate. FIRE HIM THE ARROGANT english BARSTEWARD...............
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 01:56:03
Hugh Henry obviously feels he is making a name for himself. Didn't he get told by the Presiding Officer to tone it down during this afternoon's debate on whether or not there should be an election? I think he thinks he's someone.

Labour are desperate to take a scalp but the odd thing is that whatever scandals come their way, Labour ministers don't resing, they just jump ship and blame the leadership for being arrogant/sexist (tick box). If Iain Gray (note I spelled his name right) didn't have George Foulkes in reserve he'd be a complete non-entity. As it is, he's just a middling non-entity. When is Foulkes going to put himself forward as Labour leader?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 01:57:29
oops. I meant "resign" in my above post, not "resing". Although they do rely on that a lot. ;)
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Edward,

12/06/2009 02:21:16
#21 Scotindy,Los Angeles
I think your a bit out of touch!
In fact you have it completely upside down!
Sir John Elvidge has been fighting his corner on BEHALF of the Scottish Government. It was he that supports the practice of a seperate Scottish Civil Service. It was he that backed the changes for the name of the Executive to be the Scottish Government
It was he that got under Labour's noses, by advising the First Ministers office on what was happening in London through the civil service contacts
Lonon Labour and the Scottish Labour puppets really dont like him
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donald,

glasgow 12/06/2009 03:38:16
Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition in North Britain are obsessed with resignations, whilst their Big Brothers and sisters in London were resigning like ninepins till they lost the Euro Elections.

Point of Order Mr Speaker.
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Canny Mann,

The Kingdom. 12/06/2009 03:57:22
A civil servant must hold a neutral position, only acting at the behest of the scottish government. I congratulate Sir John on maintaining this position and directing his collegues to follow the same path. Whitehall civil service manderins, thought to bully this man, dictating policy and direction from westminster.

Sir John has defended the "Independance" of the Scottish Civil Service, from thier UK counterpart. Having defied Labours demands, he has become the quarry in a labour crafted "Witch-hunt"

This man refused to be spun by his political masters, and refused to spin to the scottish government or the people. Labour must dislike this man intensly, if they will go to any length and stoop to any trick to undermine his position.

I will be concerned when the Scottish Parliament tells us there is a reason to be concerned. I havent heard Alex or Nicola screaming blue murder, so I take it, this report is another labour attempt at charecter assassination.

Come independance, I think Scotland could have a fine man at the rudder of the scottish civil service in Sir John. Ethics, being dutiful, integrity, being honest, and scrupulous, being carefull and being conscientious are the criteria by which he should be judged.
Sir John could very well be the civil servant the scots parliament can have confidence in.
I am more likely to believe what Sir John has to say than the piggies who have thier snouts in an expenses trough in westminster. We have to remember, Tony Blair told us "Saddam Hussain had WMD and his rockets could be fired on 45 minutes notice".

Alba gu brath...
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tomrober,

Edmonton 12/06/2009 04:48:44
" He gave incorrect facts "? As far as I am aware, if something is incorrect, it is not a fact.
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Anonym,

It's the truth and that's a FACT 12/06/2009 05:39:18
Aye, he has, 'been accused of being evasive and giving incorrect facts'... which muppet came out with that?

It's a contradiction in terms! If it was supposed to be a euphimism for telling lies, then don't hold back, hey?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 12/06/2009 06:59:07
Regardless of the political affiliations of members of the Public Audit Committee, the First Minister should have been asked for an explanation by the opposition leaders at FM's Questions yesterday.
The spirited defence of Sir John Elvidge by some of the posters on this thread begs the question. The Public Audit Committee is made up as follows 3SNP 3Lab 1Lib Dem 1Tory and the report itself endorsed by all members.

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gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/06/2009 07:18:47
How much do JP pay Foulkes per annum?
28

Eustace,

/ 12/06/2009 07:32:15

The use of the expression B...S... would probably

precipitate criminal charges in this area yet this is

acceptable in Committees which are televised and who

appear to be a group of people addressing themselves

to one person. I only saw the B... S... part which

was preceded by a brief warning.



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Phil C,

12/06/2009 07:36:11
Publicity-seeking clowns like Lord Pukes have been having a go at Elvis since the SNP were voted in. They think that he actually quite likes some of the SNP's ideas, like much of the country! He's been in position since 2003 and has always been impartial, unless you are a Labour paranoia freak or are looking for some diversion to take some of the spotlight off Labour sleaze, incompetence and dishonesty.

Now if he, or any other civil servant, does not present facts to committees then we have a problem. I think we would find that it's the bombastic and irritating Lard who strays from reality all too often.
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Marian,

12/06/2009 07:36:40
This is a typical Gordon Brown led New Labour acolytes smear and smokescreen exercise to try and divert attention away from their own misdemeanors such as their MP's massively defrauding the taxpayer.

No wonder their political party is is terminal decline
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 07:39:42
Aren't the cybernats a wee laugh?
We have them on here ranting their deluded conspiracy theories 24/7. However, when it is suggested that perhaps the civil service have been helpful in covering up embarrassing details about the SNP administration their collective heads explode in a circle jerk of self-righteous indignation.
Hilarious!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 07:40:55
36
Of course it is dear, and Mr Salmond never claimed for a full month's worth of food....
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

12/06/2009 07:52:38
37 Grahamski

“Mr Houston joined Transport Scotland in May 2006”

Ah, he was appointed by the previous administration, and resigned under the current one!

That is rather inconvenient for you is in not?
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Phil C,

12/06/2009 07:53:50
37 & 38, Grahamskijump

Oh, greedy one. Do you only think about food?? Just a tad tiresome, like your misplaced outbursts about 24/7 ranting, self-righteous indignation.

If you'd get off that high rocking-horse of yours for a second and actually look at what Labour are doing then you might be shocked into trying to stop these morons doing further damage.

Why do you defend Labour so much against all the evidence and common sense? How do this bunch of lying, cheating and incompetent toerags keep such a grip on you? Just open your eyes man and see the light instead of the red mist.
35

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 07:53:52
39
Not in the slightest. My knickers are not in a twist about this, I just think the knee-jerk brigade over at SNP HQ are a hoot.....
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 07:56:43
40
Calm down, dear. Who's defending Labour? I merely pointed out that it is amusing to see the cybernats wind themselves up into a fury about nothing, really.
A civil servant is economical with the actualite to protect his political masters.....what's so odd about that?
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FISHWICK,

berwick upon tweed 12/06/2009 08:02:57
Elvidge has the look of a typical parasite about him!
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Phil C,

12/06/2009 08:04:43
#42 grahamskijump

You defend Labour all the time, whilst having a go at nationalists defending themselves against the barage of Labour spin and misinformation. You always talk of cybernats and their 'fury' or imply that we are prone to OTT 'ranting'.

I don't see either fury or ranting on this thread, just annoyance at that daily irritant, Lord Pukes. He's like a fly in the room that won't be swatted.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 08:07:35
44
Lord Pukes? What age are you?
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 12/06/2009 08:10:22
Sir John wants the Scottish Civil Service to be under direct Scottish Government control, not a branch of the UK Civil Service.
This is seen by New Labour MSPs as being pro SNP.
Any opportunity that presents itself must therefor be taken to heap allegations on him.
Incidentally, if the New Labour members on the public audit committee are no more articulate than those on the local government one (Trump planning inquiry) We are not surprised that they failed to get answers to their questions. Hugh Henry's use of inappropriate language does not appear to suggest that there is any great difference between the two.
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Phil C,

12/06/2009 08:11:40
# 45 ~Quite old!! Describes him quite aptly though!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 08:16:17
47

"Describes him quite aptly though!"

It does if you are a five year old......
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Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 08:17:51
Lord Pukes. Amusing, however, it was John Prescott that had the bulemia problem (a serious issue I'll have you know)....
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 08:28:40
Is it just me or does Hugh Henry look like a vagrant? With language to match.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 08:29:58
37 Graham

Naughty. You know very well that the Civil Servants are neutral.
46

Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 12/06/2009 08:32:17
He should quit only on condition that he forces the political masters to pay him a huge pay off. After all, who runs this country?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 08:33:04
38 Graham

Inaccurate rant as usual. He did not claim for "a full month's worth of food". What he actually did was claim the full food "allowance". This allowance is a contribution to food and drink. Never let the facts stand in the way of a tantrum.
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nostress,

grangemouth 12/06/2009 08:34:08
If sleaze-ridden, London puppet Foulkes is calling for Elvidge's resignation, then the fellow must be doing a good job for Scotland, something his inebriated Lordship and his corrupt Labour cronies find anathema.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 08:36:49
FMQs was etertaining yesterday. How many times is Gray going to set himself up to be slapped down? It really is getting quite humiliating for him. Entertaining though!
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noswod,

Honestas 12/06/2009 08:38:43
Aw part of the rip off elite that screw the general public and when caught with their fingers in the till willney accept responsibility. Some be sacked. The next time you pay £50 for a train ticket tae Glawsga these bouys are the ones that have arranged it frae you. Pair wee Ecky I am sending yer a whole Scottish pound frae a couple packets O crisps disney get enough tae eat pair wee thing.
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thinking,

Scotland 12/06/2009 08:53:29
#21
Have I missed something? I can't remember being asked if I wanted to change the name from Executive to Parliament.
I thought it was the Executive themselves who decided that but that it would actually take an act of Parliament to change it officially not just on paper?
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thinking,

Scotland 12/06/2009 09:00:57
oops, should have said Government, not Parliament
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:04:06
59 thinking

It has always been called "Parliament", so, yes you did miss something. Section 1 of the Scotland Act 1998 is entitled "The Scottish Parliament".

see for yourself:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980046_en_1
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:04:27
OK. My post crossed yours.
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SandyBottoms,

Edinburgh 12/06/2009 09:07:45
There is nothing civil about civil servants. Rudest people I've ever encountered. Whose servants' are they exactly? Cause if they were mine, they'd get a strict caning!
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Mèths,

12/06/2009 09:10:03
Maybe Ffffffffooookes is annoyed because of this report in August 2008:-

"Scotland's top civil servant has become embroiled in a row over political bias after saying the SNP was elected because of public discontent at a widening poverty gap and other problems under Labour.

Sir John Elvidge, the Scottish Government’s permanent secretary, said the creation of Holyrood highlighted the poor state of health, education, and poverty north of the border under two Labour-led coalitions. "
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Mèths,

12/06/2009 09:11:05
How are things going connaughtboy?
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

12/06/2009 09:12:35
Maybe this is the real story.


FirstGroup was awarded the ScotRail franchise on August 20 2004,

The Labour leader's secret donor list, which has been exclusively obtained by the Sunday Herald, states that Moir Lockhead, the chief executive of transport giant First Group, was pencilled in for a £995 donation

Moir Lockhead: The chief executive of transport giant First Group is listed as a "donor" on Alexander's official list of financial contributors, only to have his name mysteriously replaced by that of John Lyon - ex-Labour MP and First Group consultant - on the section marked "Name/address for Elect Comm purpose".
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:16:12
65 Meths

Pretty good thanks. You?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:18:30
59 Thinking

If I recall correctly, there was limited public support for the term "Executive". I also recall that Labour had seriously considered replacing "Executive" with "Government" inthe early years.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 09:29:26
66
Aye, that's probably what happeened, the SNP civil servant lied to protect the Labour Party....you know what? I reckon that's the most likely scenario - although I prefer the other nat conspiracy theory on this, you know the one which alleges Mr Elvidge is an alien lizard in the pay of the evil empire? I quite liked that one too......
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:32:40
69 Grahamski

"the SNP civil servant".

Troll-like comment.
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Mèths,

12/06/2009 09:33:01
connaughtboy

Fine. Is this not a bit of a non-story?
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Mèths,

12/06/2009 09:33:55
I reckon they're cheesed off also because of this:-

"SNP ministers have been cleared of a charge of breaking rules on political campaigning during election periods.

Labour complained that the First Minister wrongly made European-related announcements at a time when campaigning was under way for Thursday's European elections.

Labour business manager Michael McMahon reported Mr Salmond to Scotland's most senior civil servant, Permanent Secretary Sir John Elvidge about what he claimed was a "very clear and serious" breach."
65

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 09:37:05
Boyo,
Your post at 70:
"69 Grahamski
Troll-like comment."

I am hanging my head in shame. From now on I'll follow your example. Here's one of yours from #51:

"Is it just me or does Hugh Henry look like a vagrant?"

66

Mèths,

12/06/2009 09:47:35
It's a fair cop.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 12/06/2009 09:48:02
Politics throws up some interesting contradictions?

A search of The Scotsman archive finds that Sir John Elvidge who, since 2003, has been Permanent Secretary, was accused by the then Opposition Nationalists of having "gone native" and "being too close" to the former Labour/Lib-Dem Scottish Governments!

Seems if you are a civil servant you are in a no win position.
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Mèths,

12/06/2009 09:49:14
Click "save image as" and see what the Scotsman calls it.

I assumed mandarin might be OK. Hootsman calls it "madarin"

Slip?
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 12/06/2009 09:50:48
my my naughty lardy foulkes stirring it up again,just because this civil servant wouldnt take his orders from herr broon and co,foulkes has been sent in to stir it up
this the man of more wage packets than labour postal votes
maybe we should all object to this U F O and his moaning
(useless fat object)
#64 hit the nail on head,labour and tory have treated scots like mushrooms
kept in the dark and fed dung at regular intervals
70

Sgian Achlais,

12/06/2009 09:54:02
All people involved in making decisions on billion pound contracts of public money should be made to sign legally binding disclaimers stating they, their immediate family and friends have no financial interest.

All relationships they are aware of should be fully disclosed and detailed and then we will have transparency and no more manipulation of public purse.

It is obvious something suspect is going on. Contract awarded and donations to the labour party by first group head, changed a later date.

Key decision maker with tens of thousands of shares especially when the shares are trading at between £4 and £6 each.

Some interesting spikes in share volumes. I wonder if these spikes relate in anyway to government contracts being awarded.

see link and look at the volume spikes. 25 million shares 13 February 2007 about 10 times normal volumes? March 19 this year also massive increase in trading as well as March last year

http://www.firstgroup.com/corporate/investors/sharepricegraph.php?context=ir.access&ir_client_id=2899&ir_option=ACCESSIBLE_GRAPH_DISCRETE&transform=accessiblegraph&period=3Y&fromDay=&fromMonth=&fromYear=&toDay=&toMonth=&toYear=&frequency=INTRADAY&updateTableButton=Submit+to+update+table
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:57:24
Meanwhile a Black Watch soldier has been killed in Afghanistan. It puts non-stories like this one into perspective.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:58:57
73 Graham

At least my comment was factually correct, unlike yours.
73

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 09:59:31
71 Meths

Indded it is. See my comment @79.
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Miss H,

12/06/2009 10:04:06
It does look dodgy having someone in Transport Scotland who owns shares in a company which is bidding for a contract.

That doesn’t mean that anything dodgy was going on, but it can be made to look dodgy.

It would seem straightforward enough to say that people in that position should not own shares in any company they could have dealings with – or perhaps they should be required to put all their shares in a blind trust, as ministers have to do.

Not sure if the Scottish Parliament/Government has the authority to make that a requirement – the civil service is still reserved. But it would seem the obvious solution.

I know there has been a lot of speculation about why the awarding of franchise was brought forward but the reason is surely obvious – the Commonwealth Games. You are not going to get the services in place to support the number of visitors that are expected without a lot of preparation so they needed to get the franchise sorted out pdq so we did not end up with egg on our faces. We still may end up with egg on our faces of course but that is another story.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 10:05:46
80
Troll-like and petty?
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12/06/2009 10:08:48
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78

Miss H,

12/06/2009 10:14:38
42 What do you mean? As I read the story the suggestion is that he has been economical with the truth to protect Mr Houtson.

Mr Houston was appointed by Labour ministers not the SNP.
79

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 10:23:44
I don't think this is an SNP story. It is a story about the frankly incredible behaviour of Mr Houston who appears to have broken every single rule in the book about conflicts of interest, and an apparent cover up by a civil servant.

It doesn't matter who forms the administration it is very peculiar behaviour that needs investigated.
80

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 10:24:55
86
You're right! The SNP have nothing to do with this - their transport policy is perfectly transparent and above (if you pardon the pun) board....now, bus de-regulation, what happened there?
81

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 10:25:30
87
Absolutely, nothing to see here, move along....
82

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 10:29:48
84 Actually, I made the comment because I think that Hugh Henry neither looks nor sounds like an MSP should. He should show more respect for his position.

83

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 10:31:44
89 Unlike most people I recognise the independence of the civil service and indeed other government workers. I don't assume that they are in anyone's pockets because they have rules which they follow to preserve their impartiality.

You seem to assume otherwise, that's very amusing when you have a history of protesting that posters are not allowed to challenge the ''integrity'' of journalists. Who in most cases don't have any.

However it seems that either one or both of these gentlemen have breached the rules and as such I want to see it investigated regardless of who their political masters are.
84

thinking,

Scotland 12/06/2009 10:34:14
#68
Labour may have thought it but I don't think they actually put it through parliament so, technically, it is still the Scottish executive.
85

hoblar,

12/06/2009 10:36:13
'Labour MSP Lord Foulkes said the position of Sir John......."

That is it then, the guy must be ok if the likes of foulkes, a labour desperado of the highest trough snorting ability, says he must go.

After all, he and a few other Edinburgh labour politicians supported Alistair Darling, and there was no doubt that he needed to go, in fact even Gordon brown was going to give him the boot.

In the end Darling stayed, and the whole of Scotland know what Darling got up to in the expences scandal, and if Foulkes supported him, then he is as usual at odds with Scottish voters and merely speaking in his pathetic chippy manner on behalf of the discredited soon to be outed new labour travesty of a party.

And that's that.
86

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 10:37:03
91 Observer

Grahamski can bang on endlessly about civil servants being biased, corrupt etc, however the fact remains that they are impartial, and they could not do their job properly if they were not. End of story.
87

Sgian Achlais,

12/06/2009 10:40:07
87Observer,, Glasgow 12/06/2009 10:23:44
I don't think this is an SNP story. It is a story about the frankly incredible behaviour of Mr Houston who appears to have broken every single rule in the book about conflicts of interest, and an apparent cover up by a civil servant.

It doesn't matter who forms the administration it is very peculiar behaviour that needs investigated.

========================================

I consider this the fault of the guy with the shares and the other civil servants are rallying round to protect their colleague. All very noble but when fault is found it should be held to account.

Does anyone know the dates of the key decisions on the contracts over the last 3 years.

I want to check these against the massive spikes in share volumes being traded.

eg. avg trading would be 3million on the graph but some out of the blue spikes upto over 30 million shares being traded with no corresponding FTSE change. Therefore I suspect it is company specific.

Much of the massive volumes trades are weeks ahead of any spike in prices.

for example. Many people trade/purchase/swap 10 of millions of shares in this company to no change in price then a some weeks later the price spikes when information becomes public.

I believe the term is insider trading.

Often the people owning the shares appear at a distance from the individuals concerned in decision making but dig deeper and links appear and money changes hands.

You do not accidentally on mass and unrelated just decide on a whim to purchase these shares.

There is something very strange going on and I wonder how many in the civil service are making use of internal data to assist families and friends.
88

hoblar,

12/06/2009 10:40:34
Labour should concentrate on getting their suitcases packed to leave government at westminster instead of dreaming up terms for the Scottish Government.

'Government' is what it is all about, a Holyrood Parliament ran by a Scottish Government.

The reason that labour were too scared to call themselves a government was because;

a) at holyrood they weren't an actual government because they kowtowed to westminster as they still do in opposition

b) The westminster government were too scared to allow their nursery school age politicians to even consider themselves as more than a parish council

Changed days for the better eh?
89

alanh,

ek 12/06/2009 10:41:04
another nu liebore sleaze and spin, north brittian dept, party target for the chop.

Why is it they always want everyone else to resign but think we should keep Macavity as our glorious leader just in case the economy turns a little and they dont lose as many MPs in a spring election than they would now?

All this article does is show that teh nu liebore msps are as incapable as the greyman, or even Kerr who wasw absolutely awful at FMQs yesterday, at asking straitforward questions
90

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 12/06/2009 10:41:52
Apologies to my friend Alba4232 who sent me this article in an email. I thought you might enjoy reading it.

'Angus Macleod from the Times writes a very interesting article on Alex Salmond and the SNP and the fact the longer the SNP are in power the more popular they become. Can Gordon Brown claim this accolade as well ? (Thanks to one of my readers, Tris for the heads up on this article)

Angus Macleod writes..'

"When Jim Murphy and Iain Gray met at Edinburgh Castle yesterday for a photo call with Scottish Labour's two successful Euro-candidates, a shiver of apprehension may well have run down their spines."

"That shiver should not be attributed solely to the fact that on the basis of the results Mr Murphy and Mr Gray could well lose their seats when they next face the voters. The deeper truth for Labour is that Scots no longer look on the SNP as a party of protest. "

"Much worse for Labour is that for tens of thousands of voters, the Nationalists are now the natural party of government north of the Border and Labour is a soiled brand. It may not be yet among the also-rans in Scotland, but more than 50 years of Labour dominance appear at an end. "

"Labour's 21 per cent share of the vote was its worst in any election in Scotland since 1910. The SNP won 22 of Scotland's 32 council areas and is on course to have more than 20 MPs at the next general election. Even in the last redoubts of traditional Labour support such as Fife and Glasgow, the party just held off the SNP challenge. "

"Labour apologists will say that this is reading far too much into one election in which only just over a quarter of eligible voters in Scotland bothered to turn out and in which Labour hold its two Scottish seats. The party's supporters will argue that it ignores the MPs' expenses scandal and the recession. They will say that just eight months ago, Labour confounded the pundits by holding on to Glenrothes. "

"Except that in Scotland Labour is not in governmen
91

Joe Plaice,

12/06/2009 10:42:36
"Except that in Scotland Labour is not in government and has not been for two years. Any thanks to Gordon Brown for saving our banks has disappeared into the mists of time along with the Glenrothes result. Remember, too, that the SNP, especially Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has not been left untouched by questions over Westminster expenses. Labour has also failed to impress on the electorate that the SNP entered office promising much but has achieved little. "

"In other words, this European result cannot be dismissed as a passing spasm and one that has nothing to do with the real Scottish political world. True, many Labour supporters stayed at home out of apathy and disgust at the expenses row. But that ignores the real point that the party in Scotland has failed to give them any reason to back it. For that, the party's leadership in Scotland must shoulder the blame. "

"Mr Murphy performed manfully but he cannot carry the fight alone to the SNP when he has to spend much of his time in London. Mr Gray is in situ, but his ambition appears to be The Quiet Man of Scottish politics. "

"Meanwhile Mr Salmond and the SNP are left to crow and no one should begrudge them that. They defy political gravity by managing to become more popular the longer they are in power. "

I like this last bit..

"They have now beaten Labour in two successive elections in Scotland. If the Nationalists triumph again in 2011, as it seems they surely will, they'll be expecting to keep the Scottish Labour Party for their trophy cabinet - like the Brazilians with their World Cup. "____________


Fantastic article and a lot of home truths contained in it. You see, if the Scottish media was less biased and partizan towards Labour and actually published articles that "reflect" the political mood in Scotland rather than take snippets and smears from the likes of George Foulkes, then this country will at last be able to move forward and cut the apron strings from Westminster.
92

Joe Plaice,

12/06/2009 10:43:38
You should check out advanced media watch!There is a really funny one about nuliebore on there today!'

Thanks for that Alba, very cheering.
93

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 10:44:32
94 That's right.

95 Using internal data for personal gain is a huge no-no. If the public think that is going on then it needs to be investigated and dealt with now and the results published.

I have every confidence the vast vast majority of civil servants behave with absolute probity.
94

Miss H,

12/06/2009 10:44:57
88 Read the report Grahamski. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/committees/publicAudit/reports-09/paur09-06-01.htm#11

haven't had time to go thru all of it but the ghist appears to be that Mr Houston had shares in First Group (as a consequence of his previous employment with them).

The Civil Service Code requires civil servants to declare interests to their department or agency if they would be able, as a result of their position, to further those interests. It states that civil servants “must not be involved in taking any decision which could affect the value of their private investments2.

It seems Mr Houston did not abide by that.

Sir John later told the committee that 2changes to the recruitment process now mean that it is “not possible to recruit someone without the identification of an interest being discussed at that stage.” Secondly, he stated that rather than the previous system of a “once-and-for-all” arrangement being put in place, anyone with private financial interests now has six-monthly discussions with their line managers on the management of those interests."

Those changes - introduced by the SNP Government - were welcomed by the Committee.

95

hoblar,

12/06/2009 10:47:42
"It doesn't matter who forms the administration it is very peculiar behaviour that needs investigated."

Perhaps, but I would ask do you believe it is good journalism for the hootsmon to quote the discredited foulkes, calling for people to be sacked, when he was so vocal about the MP's scandalous expence claims, supporting Alistair Darling, and happy to see all those greedy new labour politicians manipulating OUR money to benefit themselves and make personal profit?

There has to be balance, e.g.

"Lord Foulkes, who last week supported the discredited uk chancellor Alistair Darling who flipped his home four times and backed the fact that Darling had manipulated profit from the public purse, called for the resignation of this civil servant.

I mean, there might be a story here, but Darling's story, the news of the century a mere week ago, and many other labour MP's corrupt practices are far bigger and provable...........

Now to be forgotten eh? lol

Give us an election then, and we will see.........
96

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 10:48:12
92 Thinking

Technically you may be correct, however the vast majority of people have adopted the title "Scottish Government". Some will cling on to the old title, either for reasons of pedantry or to make political capital.
97

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 10:51:24
94
I made no such allegation. I leave the hysterical witch hunts to those of a nationalist bent. I merely pointed out that civil servants protect the government of the day. When the nats are in opposition this translates as an evil conspiracy.....
98

Miss H,

12/06/2009 10:52:12
95 In fairness to Houston the report says that the increase in Mr Houston’s shareholdings during his tenure with Transport Scotland was the result of Mr Houston exercising share options which had been granted to him during his employment with FirstGroup. The share options, which were in three batches, could be exercised only within specific windows of time, which fell during his subsequent employment with Transport Scotland.

So I don't think it's a case of insider dealing. The probolem seems to be that he did not declare these interests either at the time he was appointed or afterwards.
99

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 10:52:18
103
Oh for god's sake don't be so ridiculous....
100

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 10:53:14
103 It's absolutely nothing to do with Lord Foo who gets sacked or not. That's just his usual publicity seeking hysterical nonsense. But if something has gone wrong on the SNP's watch they need to sort it out and do that transparently.

That is what will distinguish them from Labour and idiots like Lord Foo.
101

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 10:58:14
107 Yes, calling for an election is, ahem, "ridiculous"
102

vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

Far away 12/06/2009 11:01:25
The Labour mafiosi will do anything they can to destroy an official who won't play ball. My late father was a chief official in the old Glasgow Corporation and the later Glasgow District Council. He staunchly refused to award building contracts to the Labour councillors' pals if they weren't up to the job. They tried for years to bring him down, but he was too honest and too careful. To mix metaphors, the lizards haven't changed their spots. A bunch of scum, the lot of them.
103

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 11:01:55
105 Graham

From your own post @69:

"the SNP civil servant lied to protect the Labour Party....you know what? I reckon that's the most likely scenario"
104

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12/06/2009 11:03:12
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Reason:
105

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 11:05:02
111
Do try and keep up Boyo, I was paraphrasing a nat conspiracy theory not actually suggesting that happened...
106

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 11:05:36
11 Ta you saved me the bother of pointing out to Grahamski that he was being a bit economical with the truth.
107

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 11:06:18
113 Squirming
108

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 11:07:34

107 Yes, calling for an election is, ahem, "ridiculous"

I couldn't agree more. Do these dumbos at Holyrood not realise the public are sick and tired of them wasting public money on publicity stunts?
109

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 11:11:14
115
Squirming? I think not! Being sarcastic perhaps....
110

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 11:11:34
Grahamski's use of the term "boyo" is derogatory and purile.

I find it incredulous that he takes the moral high ground when people call labour mp's and msp's derogatory names (or indeed when people call him childish names) then states that it's a tried and tested practice of Nat supporters - then he does it himself.

No consistency and it undermines his point of view and approach.

In short, Grahmaski is as purile and childish as those he accuses of the same.
111

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 11:17:13
118
"Grahamski's use of the term "boyo" is derogatory and purile."

I use it as an affectionate diminutive of Connaughtboy. If Connaughtboy is offended by this I apologise and will cease and desist...
112

Mèths,

12/06/2009 11:20:46
thinking said, "Labour may have thought it but I don't think they actually put it through parliament so, technically, it is still the Scottish executive."
*****************************************************


"The first priority of the government in Scotland, must
always be to nurture and retain home-grown talent."

Jack McConnell 2004
113

brianmca3,

auld reekie 12/06/2009 11:21:45
watch broon get savaged by a lib dem ,broon is seen to laugh at what the uk public already think of this clown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
114

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 11:32:18
113 graham

You really should be careful what you write.

This for example:

"you know what? I reckon that's the most likely scenario"

I naturally assumed that when you used the term "I" that you were referring to yourself.
115

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 11:36:08
#116 Graham

I find it hard to understand why calling for an election could be labelled as "ridiculous". It is a matter of opinion surely. Personally, I think it is vital that we have a GE. I wouldn't class all those with opposing views as "ridiculous".

By the way, I suspect that I am part of a significant majority who wants an election as soon as possible in order to get rid of this damaging Labour Government.
116

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 11:40:21
122
Irony, dear boy, irony.....
117

brianmca3,

auld reekie 12/06/2009 11:41:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8RFnfc4EZg
question time debate on scotland getting indipendence
Adam Price - English Independence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp2mxuL5I5w&feature=related
a good few points made on these
118

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/06/2009 11:53:10
124 Ahh, so "sarcasm" has become "irony".

Yep, whatever you say.
119

brianmca3,

auld reekie 12/06/2009 11:53:15
no 10 reacts to wendys "bring it on"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53Inn1eP8Q&feature=PlayList&p=5CD673C0B0D48412&index=83
First Minister's Questions - 8th May 2008 - Alex vs Wendy
120

brianmca3,

auld reekie 12/06/2009 11:53:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFjYzi7D3E&feature=PlayList&p=5CD673C0B0D48412&index=75
121

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 12/06/2009 11:56:24
MORE PROPAGANDA.

GIVE US FACTS,NOT PROPAGANDA.

LABOUR MOUTHS JUST CANT STOP THEMSELVES.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
122

brianmca3,

auld reekie 12/06/2009 12:07:50
alex salmond kicks butt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-C9AYMmOs&feature=related
123

David55,

12/06/2009 12:09:16
I find it really hard to side with Foulkes, as I despise the man. But I agree that the civil servants look really bad here, more so Guy Houston than John Elvidge.
124

Richard Lionheart,

12/06/2009 12:26:18
What an interesting article, Note the comparison between what is expected of civil servants and what we can expect from our politicians:-
“Civil servants regularly give evidence to Holyrood committees but, unlike politicians, they must remain impartial and give CLEAR, ACCURATE and INFORMATIVE evidence when asked.”

It is also quite interesting that “Sir John’s spokesperson mimics the political masters in Westminster by saying:-

“Sir John said he would not resign but would take the committee's conclusions on board and learn lessons from them.”

But he will not promise to stand down at the next election!!!

Looks like this only became a story because Ian Gray thought FirstBus was the same as Stagecoach.

Here we go for the dirtiest General Election campaign in known history.
125

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 12:32:40
126
No irony is irony and sarcasm is sarcasm. They are not mutually exclusive....
126

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 12:34:03
133 Well sarcasm is the lowest form of wit so I would go for irony if I was you.

Mind you I still think it was squirming :)
127

David55,

12/06/2009 12:34:17
132 - I'm listening....but there's no danger i'm resigning from this sweet little number. £160k a year, excellent pension and plenty holidays. Lovely work if you can get it.
128

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 12/06/2009 12:35:43
I think something is gonna have to give,,,,soon. New labour are imploding and exposing their hatred of Scottish successes. New Conservative is being ushered by Nw Labour to correct the error of giving Scotland a parliament they never meant it to have. being pro-British IS a contradiction to being pro-Scottish.

By way of warning to Scots, the Tories have dissolved a devolved parliament in the UK before without asking anyone. The WILL do it again because they have no respect for democracy. Only 18% of Londoners wanted their devolved GLC abolished, abolished it was by the Red Ken embarrassed conservative government.

Make sure that Scotland has no anti-Scottish pro-british MPs after the General election for Scotland's sake. or you will be back to 1996.
129

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 12:41:37
136 they abolished Strathclyde Regional Council if you remember as well Jimmy. That was done for the same reason as Thatcher abolished the GLC against the wishes of the people it represented. It was a thorn in her side.

Oh Cameron is coming over all nicey nicey now but he is lying through his teeth.

The Tories will rip into Scotland and the Scottish Government. They won't be able to help themselves because we will not do what they want.

Independence just can't come soon enough.
130

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 12:42:14
134
...and quoting Oscar Wilde is the last refuge of the desperate....
Squirming? I wouldn't know what end to blow into!
131

Arthur G,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 12:49:30
All this badinage is highly amusing but ultimaely pointless.

Lord "Flit with" Foulkes' staunch defence and sycophantic 'Brown' nosing of the 'Liebore' party line and that of all the onionist Liebore apologists on here, will have no effect

Labour are going to be destroyed in the General election in the next Hollyrood elections and council elections(with disasterous effects upon Celtic FC season ticket sales). And about time too. Independence will follow, inevitably and inexorablly
132

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 12:55:14
139
hear! hear!
We'll definitely be free by 93 - oh yes.....
133

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 12:55:54
And that was irony and sarcasm ..something of a bogof!
134

Popper,

12/06/2009 12:57:52
Lard Flook?
135

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 12:58:40
140 Glad you have seen the error of your ways.

136

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 12/06/2009 13:07:51
I am left uncertain by reading all the reports whether the criticisms in this report are actually leveled at Sir Elvidge or at Nicol Steven's LIB-Lab appointment Dr Malcolm Reed. If the Scotsman paper is trying to claim that they know the answer, and it is the former, then they are either fools or someone (Lord Foulkes) has leaked the report to the press against the interest of the Scottish nation?
137

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:09:08
143
dear god, not you too?

see nats? see irony/sarcasm* bypass?





*delete as applicable
138

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 13:11:13
0 brianmca3,auld reekie 12/06/2009 12:07:50
alex salmond kicks butt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-C9AYMmOs&feature=related
........................................................
Kirsty Wark kicks butt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnQPptuG8uM
139

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:13:32
146
Oh for goodness sake, don't encourage them!
Who in their right mind bothers to look at these godforsaken links anyway?
140

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 13:13:37
120 Mèths,12/06/2009 11:20:46
"The first priority of the government in Scotland, must
always be to nurture and retain home-grown talent."
Jack McConnell 2004
.....................................................

That being the case Meths, I presume when you moved to Spain your relocation went uncontested?
141

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 13:14:13
145 ditto.

146 Afternoon Rufus. Not much to argue about today is there.

Anyway I'm off for lunch adios.
142

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 13:14:41
147 Grahamski

Correct, no one does look at these links.

Well apart from my ones of course.
143

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:23:53
150
Naturally.....
144

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:24:26
148
I'm sure the Spanish weren't best pleased....
145

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 13:25:21
Aye Carrumba!
146

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 13:29:21
152 Grahamski,Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:24:26
148
I'm sure the Spanish weren't best pleased....
.................................................

Indeed.

It caused a Civil War.
147

Sgian Achlais,

12/06/2009 13:45:10
116Grahamski, Falkirk 12/06/2009 11:07:34

107 Yes, calling for an election is, ahem, "ridiculous"

I couldn't agree more. Do these dumbos at Holyrood not realise the public are sick and tired of them wasting public money on publicity stunts?

======================================

Grahamski,

Voting is what democracy is about. The people want rid of the government and they are not being allowed to. You pal the PM is bringing in unelected peers to support his cabinet as even the numpties of labour want nothing todo with him.

They are just holding out till next election for increased resettlement allowances, increased pension contributions and searching for jobs.

Nobody wants a change of leader as a huge number of Labour MP's will loose their trough.

You know it, we know it and they know it.

The Dumbo's at Westminster know who the public are sick of and its labour
148

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:46:05
154

Aye, whatever happened to 'no pasaran'?
149

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/06/2009 13:49:51
155
"Voting is what democracy is about."

Indeed it is. Our MSPs were elected to Holyrood to look after devolved matters. They have a democratic mandate to speak and vote on those matters.
They have no democratic mandate to debate or act on reserved matters. When they do they act outwith their mandate and waste our time and money on pointless gestures.
150

Mèths,

12/06/2009 13:50:54
Rufus

"That being the case Meths, I presume when you moved to Spain your relocation went uncontested?"

Grahamski

"I'm sure the Spanish weren't best pleased...."

LOL. Thanks guys.

151

Mèths,

12/06/2009 13:52:56
Andrew Morton

"Aye Carrumba!"

¡Ay, caramba! - if you don't mind.
152

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 13:56:41
Meths

Was trying to edge in a wee Scottish perochialism (aye) into a Spanish saying.

Forgive me for getting it wrong!
153

Mèths,

12/06/2009 14:01:10
Andrew - I got the "aye" bit! I didn't say you were wrong.

"Hoots" Fandango (to go with your "rumba").

Hmm .... Aye Carrumba - good moniker. Does it have a copyright?
154

Mèths,

12/06/2009 14:01:29
ps PAROCHIALISM!

;-)
155

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 14:01:59
Meths

Ok and no. Please help yourself.
156

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 14:02:58
i before e except after....oh what the heck, I can't spell for shoite! ;-)
157

Mèths,

12/06/2009 14:08:39
Andrew

"Ok and no. Please help yourself."

I have far too many as it is.
158

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 12/06/2009 14:10:09
Meths

One more never hurt anybody amigo (or is it amiga?)
159

George Coutts,

Scottish Overseas Voter 12/06/2009 14:13:32
That´s the good thing. Come freedom day these spies and that´s what they aer for the overlords in LONDON
will be packing their cases for the cattletrucks to ARMAGEDON hmm P.M.s residaence. There is no need to waste money ,well the EURO hmm scottish printed that is,
And goodbye to victorian CCs, and ha ha ENGLAND is run by SCOTS with bad TEMPERS,Gordon the English Premier and the TYRANT OVERLORD an FERGIE cashing in on Mancurians and oh Gordon is now WAIT FOR IT Chief EXEC R T S BBBBBBBANK , Who´s been fooled, Not BONNIE SCOTLAND. FREEDOM IS SWEET 2010 Oh mi heed.
160

Miss H,

12/06/2009 14:53:13
'And goodbye to victorian CCs, and ha ha ENGLAND is run by SCOTS with bad TEMPERS,Gordon the English Premier and the TYRANT OVERLORD an FERGIE cashing in on Mancurians and oh Gordon is now WAIT FOR IT Chief EXEC R T S BBBBBBBANK , Who´s been fooled, Not BONNIE SCOTLAND. FREEDOM IS SWEET 2010 Oh mi heed.'

My word.

Send for Dr House - quick!
161

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

12/06/2009 15:00:01
I read as far as this - "Labour MSP Lord Foulkes said the position of Sir John – the Permanent Secretary at the Scottish Government – was now untenable. "I think Sir John Elvidge will have to consider his position and he should go," Lord Foulkes said."

No nead to read any further...If Foulkes says Sh*te, you just know the answer has to be sugar.

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awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 12/06/2009 15:09:33
170 Quisling Gogs... That's not true. I heard about the Blackwatch soldier on Radio 4 this morning. Granted, the majority of BBC coverage is extremely biased to London and the South. Not to mention the use of 'English' when it should be British...
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awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 12/06/2009 15:10:22
... and 'British' when it should be Scottish...
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

12/06/2009 15:14:46
#145 Grahamski

If you have to point out the funny/clever/incisively cruel but witty* bit, to your audience...It is time to reflect on the quality of your material or your delivery.

Heckling the punters is a no no.

*delete as applicable
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

12/06/2009 15:20:35
#172 awantapassport, Quisling Gogs,

The Station I heared that sad news on was Real.

He was described as "Scottish Based", is that code for something?
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Joe Plaice,

12/06/2009 15:26:49
#121 brianmca3, I think you will find that the reasonably honourable MEP is a Tory but well worth the watch for humour value as is his speech after the Euro elections. I apologise to those of you, like Observer, who don't like links posted on these threads, but this one is very pleasant viewing as Mr. Hannan savages a dead P.M.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE
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morris,

edinburgh 12/06/2009 15:57:40
116 Publicity stunt .

If you mean bringing to the attention of the electorate (the media had no choice but to cover it so it worked), that Labour are sh you know what scared of democracy,and carry on regardless ,when they clearly have no mandate to govern,then yes I suppose it could be called that.Personally I, like the electorate, take the view that they acted in the interests of the public because like the Tory and Lib Dem party they want the sleazeballs out on their anagram of ears.

Who holds the moral high ground I would ask,Those who seek a democratic mandate from the people,or those who remain in government because they DARE NOT seek that mandate. They already know what would happen.
You can spin all you want,Scotland has stopped listening to Labour claptrap.
Now lets hear one of your usual childish responses .
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AJ Fife,

12/06/2009 16:07:33
Harruuuumph, I note my earlier contributuion has been deleted.

Is it really a crime to mention the words Foulkes, balloon and fat in the same sentence?
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morris,

edinburgh 12/06/2009 16:11:06
177 I can see no reason why they should not appear in the same sentence: after all its the same person!
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/06/2009 16:53:25
#174

He is serving with a Scottish regiment but there is no guarantee that he will be scottish.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/06/2009 18:01:21
Why does JP continue to provide the oxygen of publicity to this buffoon Foulkes.

The folk at JP must be the only people in the world who attach any credence to the verbal diaorrhea emitted by him.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/06/2009 19:37:28
180 He's a rent a gob. Obviously what JP don't realise is that as soon as you attach Lord Foo's name to anything people go into a coma with their eyes open or fall around laughing. So it's completely counter productive, JP should be encouraged to keep on doing it.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

13/06/2009 00:05:18
Hi y'all :-)

It strikes me, reading throught this and many other threads on this site over time, that the Majority of what are termed 'Unionists' are also Scottish.

Would I be wrong?
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 13/06/2009 00:45:44
Hootsman is there no embarrasment about having to revert to the previous day healines because unionists are taking such a tanking on your latest news (now unavailable)?

Speaks volumes!
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

13/06/2009 01:31:51
Did anyone see this little gaffe from Angus MacLeod in “The Times”.

“Labour was cheered by the result in Glasgow North East in last week's European election where it managed a 2,000 majority over the SNP, albeit on a turnout of 29 per cent and at the peak of the controversy over Gordon Brown's future and the expenses scandal”

Oh really?

From the City of Glasgow web-site, European Elections.

The following votes are for the political party not the candidate


Constituency: Glasgow North

HUDGHTON, Ian Scottish National Party (SNP) 3,447

MARTIN, David Weir The Labour Party 3,073


Now where did this alleged 2,000 Labour majority in this constituency appear from Mr MacLeod?
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Richard,

West Lothian 13/06/2009 10:17:08
Where is today's on-line issue, Sat. 13/06/09?
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Richard,

West Lothian 13/06/2009 10:30:52
Hello, is anybody out there?
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TWC,

exLabour 13/06/2009 10:57:44
Richard,

this is worrying, perhaps they are scared of the posters
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Richard,

West Lothian 13/06/2009 11:05:01

TWC,
exLabour

TWC, you can access comments via the members area but why no on-line edition?

Very odd.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 13/06/2009 13:18:38
#186 yes they will stoop lower than a sausage dugs gonads

 

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