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Published Date:
09 July 2007
TONY Blair had no doubts about committing British troops to the Iraq war or, if he did, he hid them even from his closest advisers, Alastair Campbell revealed yesterday.
Mr Campbell, who was the former prime minister's spokesman and one of his closest confidantes, is publishing his diaries today.

Yesterday, Random House, his publisher, released a series of tantalising extracts to raise interest in a book which is expected to be one of the biggest political volumes in Britain for years.

The extracts reveal extraordinary details about Mr Blair's approach to policy and people, particularly on the invasion of Iraq, which has come to define his premiership.

Mr Campbell explained how Mr Blair reacted to the tense vote in the Commons in 2003 authorising the use of British military force in Iraq, a vote which sparked a rebellion by 139 Labour MPs.

Mr Campbell wrote: "All of us, I think, had had pretty severe moments of doubt, but [Mr Blair] hadn't really, or if he had he had hidden them even from us.

"Now there was no going back. He had to give authority for our forces to go in and by [the next] night it would be under way.

"Everyone was assuming the Americans would start a massive bombing whereas, in fact, the first action would be some of our forces acting to prevent an ecological disaster."

Yesterday, Mr Campbell said he hoped the diary would show "just how seriously" Mr Blair took the decision to go to war.

He said: "I was alongside Tony as he made what was clearly the most difficult decision of his life and of his career.

"It's one he is going to have to live with for the rest of his life. And I still believe it was the right thing to do and I think he was driven by the right motives."

Mr Campbell added: "I hope this diary gives people a sense of just how seriously he took that decision. You are the Prime Minister and you are hoping to get re-elected in the future and you know how many people are opposed to this policy. At least give him the credit of understanding he did it because he thought he was doing the right thing for the long-term."

The extracts published yesterday gave interesting glimpses of life at No 10, from Mr Blair's secret dinners with Diana, Princess of Wales, before he was Prime Minister to a blazing row with Bill Clinton, the former US president who accused Mr Campbell of briefing journalists against him.

But the fulcrum of Mr Blair's time in Downing Street was his decision to use British forces in Iraq and Mr Campbell deals with this at length in his diaries.

Yesterday, Mr Campbell described the sensitive negotiations with George W Bush, the US President, before the invasion and how Mr Bush joked about his reputation as a "crazed unilateralist".

The joke came at the end of crucial talks at Camp David in September 2002, at which Mr Bush agreed to go back to the United Nations.

Mr Campbell wrote: "When TB [Tony Blair] came back in, GWB [George W Bush] said he'd decided to go to the UN and put down a new [United Nations Security Council] resolution, challenge the UN to deal with the problems for its own sake.

"He could not stand by. He would say OK, what will you do?"

Mr Campbell wrote that his opposite number at the White House had earlier argued "not too convincingly" that Mr Bush was "always going to go down the UN route".

And Dick Cheney, the vice-president, "looked very sour throughout", with Mr Bush telling Mr Blair that his deputy wanted to act immediately.

"The mood was good," Mr Campbell recorded. "As we left, Bush joked to me, 'I suppose you can tell the story of how Tony pulled the crazed unilateralist back from the brink'."

Mr Campbell also revealed how Mr Blair decided months before the Iraq war to quit Downing Street without leading Labour into a third general election.

According to Mr Campbell, Mr Blair told him in July 2002 that he had "never really wanted to do more than two full terms".

The proposed move - amid pressure over moves toward military action against Saddam Hussein and domestic reforms - was eventually ditched, with Mr Blair securing a historic third term in 2005. However, he controversially went ahead with his wish to fix a limit to his time in the job by announcing in 2004 that he would not seek a fourth term.

In the 11 July, 2002 entry from the diaries, Mr Campbell wrote: "TB called me through and we went for a chat on the terrace. Philip [Gould - election strategist] had briefed him on how his trust ratings had really dipped. He said, 'In truth I've never really wanted to do more than two full terms.'

"It was pretty clear to me that he had just about settled his view, that he would sometime announce it, say he was going to stay for the full term, but not go into the election as leader.

"The big question was the same as before - does it give him an authority of sorts, or does it erode that authority, and do people just move automatically towards GB [Gordon Brown]?"

One entry, from 17 March 2003, captures the fraught nature of the Cabinet meeting just after Robin Cook, the former Leader of the Commons, had resigned.

Mr Campbell described how Clare Short, the then-International Development Secretary, had walked into the room and asked where Mr Cook was. Told that Mr Cook had resigned, Ms Short replied: "Oh my God."

Mr Campbell added: "John Prescott, John Reid and one or two others looked physically sick."

The contrast with the breezy, confident mood which propelled Mr Blair to power could not have been greater.

One extract, from 26 April 1997, a few days before his election as Prime Minister, revealed Mr Blair's ability to approach politics from a radical new standpoint, this time in relation to the Liberal Democrats.

Mr Campbell wrote: "He stunned me straight out with the boldest plan yet: 'How would people feel if I gave Paddy [Ashdown - the then-Liberal Democrat leader] a place in the Cabinet and started merger talks?'

"F*** me. I loved the boldness of it, but doubted he could get it through the key players.

"He had the Clause 4 glint in his eye. He'd hinted at it a few times in the past, but this sounded like a plan. He was making a cup of tea and chuckling, 'We could put the Tories out of business for a generation'."

SUPPORT FOR THATCHERISM

TONY Blair's relationship with the mainstream Labour Party has always been difficult.

In this extract from 2000, Alastair Campbell reveals how even the New Labour Prime Minister thought he was not quite in tune with those around him. Mr Blair - referred to as TB - also gives qualified support to parts of Thatcherism.

• Wednesday, 30 August 2000: "TB said it was important I understood why parts of Thatcherism were right. Later in the day, he came up with another belter when Peter Hyman [strategist and speech-writer], trying to get him to be more progressive and radical, asked what gave him real edge as a politician and TB said, 'What gives me real edge is that I'm not as Labour as you lot.'

"I pointed out that was a discomfiting observation. He said it was true. He felt he was in the same position he had always been and we were the people who had changed to adapt."

NOT-SO-SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP

TONY Blair's good relationship with Bill Clinton has been well documented but did not always run smoothly, as these extracts from 1999 reveal.

The two leaders had differing views on whether ground troops would be required in Kosovo. Mr Blair was for it while the US president was reluctant to commit. Mr Clinton thought Alastair Campbell was giving briefs against him.

• Tuesday, 18 May: "Just before midnight, John Sawers [foreign policy adviser] woke me up to fill me in on a 'very difficult' BC-TB phone call.

"They had spoken for over an hour, and the first five to ten minutes was taken up with Bill in a total rage. He had seen the UK reports and the stuff in the US and he 'knew what was going on. It was deliberate and it had to stop'.

"John said he was clearly suggesting I had been briefing deliberately to build up TB at his expense. TB protested as best he could, said he was appalled they would think we would undermine him when he was leading the whole thing, to which BC said in which case it is happening without you knowing - the implied notion being that was even worse.

"John said he didn't name names but it was obvious who he meant. He had never heard him so angry and TB was taken aback."

• Wednesday, May 19: "TB said BC's outburst was 'real, red-hot anger'. He felt he was just getting a lot out of his system, and TB was the only one he could really let rip with.

"He claimed that he had always been basically in favour of ground troops, but it had to be understood he could not be briefed against like this. All that was happening was that people were picking up the obvious differences of tone and emphasis.

"Our right wing of course, which hates a Labour government and a Democrat White House running a military situation, was stirring as best they could."

SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP

THESE two extracts provide revealing new information about Tony Blair's relationship with Diana, Princess of Wales.

Mr Blair had dinners with Diana before he became Prime Minister, apparently to discuss ways of making her an "ambassador" for Britain.

• Thursday, 4 May 1995:

"They [Tony and Cherie Blair] were at a dinner in Hyde Park Gardens that had been organised for them to meet Diana.

"I rang the bell and said, 'Could you tell Mr Blair his car is here?' I went back to the car and the next thing TB is tapping at the car window and says, 'Someone wants to meet you.'

"I get out and she's walking towards me, and she says, 'Can I come over and say hello?' And then she's standing there, absolutely, spellbindingly, drop-dead gorgeous, in a way the millions of photos didn't quite get it.

"'It would make a very funny picture if there were any paparazzi in those trees,' she said. TB was standing back and Cherie was looking impatient. I was enjoying flirting with her."

• Saturday, 30 August 1997: "At around 2am I was paged by media monitoring: 'Car crash in Paris. Dodi killed. Di hurt. This is not a joke.' Then TB came on. He had been told the same thing. He was really shocked.

"He said she was in a coma and the chances are she'd die.

"I don't think I'd ever heard him like this. He was full of pauses, then gabbling a little, but equally clear what we had to do. We started to prepare a statement.

"About an hour later Nick, the duty clerk, called and said simply, 'She's dead. The Prime Minister is being told now.' I went through on the call. Angus Lapsley was duty private secretary and was taking him through what we knew. But it was hard to get beyond the single fact of her death. 'I can't believe this. I just can't believe it,' said TB. 'You just can't take it in, can you?'

"And yet, as ever with TB, he was straight onto the ramifications."

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  • Last Updated: 08 July 2007 11:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Tony Blair's leadership
 
1

'Hezza,

08/07/2007 23:54:18

Why would anyone trust what Alastair Campbell says now, any more than the Alastair Campbell of 2 years ago?

Think I'll wait until the book is in the bargain bucket 'greatest works of fiction' section of Waterstones.

2

Michael Leonard,

Edinburgh 09/07/2007 00:16:08

Do you really expect us to believe that spin Dr Campbell has stopped spinning?

3

Pictus,

Hub o' the Universe 09/07/2007 00:20:22

#1, 'Hezza, - I have to agree. Would George W. Bush even know there was such a word as 'unilateralist'? I have always thought that Mr Blair was corrupted in some way by the Cheney-Bush regime. Why else would an educated man follow them so blindly. One must wonder if the Bushes are now trying it on with Putin at their summer estate in Maine.

4

Spotter,

09/07/2007 00:54:12

this should all get sorted in the Hague

5

thomas,

midlothian 09/07/2007 02:29:23

blair was obviously bought by bush and cheney.
the man is a cheap opportunist.
war crimes against thatcher should have been a priority for blair.
hopefully war crimes are brought against blair- bush and cheney!

6

David MacVicar,

web. 09/07/2007 04:13:20

"The mood was good," Mr Campbell recorded. "As we left, Bush joked to me, 'I suppose you can tell the story of how Tony pulled the crazed unilateralist back from the brink'."

Who can believe Bush said that? He has problems getting a complete sentence correct on his own and "back from the brink" is not something I would expect Texas Bush to say in a 100 years.

"Diary of a serial Liar": A long list of concocted lies, written by a spin liar, to tell yet more lies on top of previous ones to protect an even bigger liar, allowed to go to illegal war, the whole cabal making a bit of extra cash at same time.

Turns my stomach.

7

Suck-McCrunchie,

Doomster Hill 09/07/2007 04:18:27

Dont be silly all of you.

War crime prosecutions are seldom raised against the winning side - as the winner holds the evidence.

8

David MacVicar,

web. 09/07/2007 04:24:06

Secondly if it was all done with the best of intentions and did not have the benefit of hindsight how about gestures to repair the mistakes? If you were really Big men with an even Bigger responsibility, how about all proceeds go to the soldiers families killed and orphaned children in Iraq?

Where is Blairs tour of Iraq now, supporting the troops and PERSONALLY ensuring he can help get them the equipment they need etc after he sent them there in best intentioned error?

With great power comes greater responsibility and Blair is totally responsible for our troops lives and deaths, he should be doing everything possible to help them 24x7. I guess he is above all that.

9

Robinh 37,

UK 09/07/2007 04:35:56

What do you cal those things that live off other people again? Oh yes I remember a parasite.

10

Khartoum Colin,

09/07/2007 05:27:29

I wonder if anyone's come up with projected figures on the number of deaths in Iraq if Saddam had been left in power, versus the death total since the invasion??.

11

Mallory,

09/07/2007 05:28:59

One of Campbell's first jobs was apparently to create 'readers letters' for the sex magazine Forum.

His creativity knew no bounds then or during his Number 10 years.

12

Ubi,

Edinburgh 09/07/2007 05:51:34

Meanwhile Gordon Brown is merrily spinning that in new new Labour Parliament will have the right to vote for war.

It voted for this one.

13

James,

Dundee 09/07/2007 06:10:05

Alistair Campbell can stick his bagpipes where the sun dont shine. If Blair was a political Whore, then Campbell was the pimp.

14

doris d,

09/07/2007 06:13:43

Boring, boring, boring.

The retired spin meister-having kept his head down post Kelly to let the dust settle-now pops up to rewrite history and present (1) himself and (2) Bliar in a decent light.
Gorgon Broon will be choking on his cornflakes over the revelation of Bliar's Paddy Ashdown Cabinet post offer!!!! Now where have we heard that one before????
The Tories need to get shot of Cameron quickly and produce a leader who can challenge this sleazy lot!!

15

morris,

Edinburgh 09/07/2007 07:11:02

9

How did you know what I was going to write?
Absolutely spot on,and I definitely could not have said it better.Its syllable for syllable what I had intended to say.

16

ex katman 2,

ex sudan 09/07/2007 07:29:17

#1 Hezza
Agree,nothing more worth commenting about it.

17

donald,

weegieland 09/07/2007 07:40:22

The Meejah is determined to make Campbell as rich as Bliar, Pressie and Mandy.

18

Toast,

09/07/2007 07:55:42

Like Campbell is any more trustworthy than Blair,couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it.

19

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 09/07/2007 08:01:08

This pair could play hide and seek on opposite sides of a corkscrew!

Prosecute the pair of them!


Yourst etc

Angus Whitton

20

tamasha,

Perthshire 09/07/2007 08:15:45

9

Totally agree with 16's comment.

This should be emailed to Brown and the rest of them!

21

FedUpTaxPayer,

09/07/2007 08:26:58

The story I'd be interested in reading is if Campbells mixture of lies, spin and deceipt took the country to an unneccessary war. I suspect he's not included this, so I'll be giving these diaries a miss.

However, as I'm fair minded, I might read the sequel - 'The Alastair Campbell Prison Diaries'.

22

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 09/07/2007 09:17:13

Mr. Tony Blaire had it coming. Now it is out. He did not want to go to war. He was taken for a ride. This is on 7th July 2007. Talk of responsible Era if the big powerful nations use the false doctrine of diplomacy or call this hyporacy then sir, where is the responsible Era? Reminds me of Mr. Robin Cook. He had said “no war”. Mr. Brown was quite, now he is the Prime Minster, Sara Clare had the same view of Iraq war and Putin had categorically told Mr. Bush that Afghanistan is no piece of cake that Mr. Bush thought. Vietnam did not teach Mr. Bush. Sir Where is the Responsibility Era?
Geopolitics is now the autocracy. We call this sociology, monarchy, Maoism, democracy all names but the idea is the one man who has the eyes amongst the blind is the king. I stand by this and what we say hear is valid as was during the yesteryears when Ford said, “I need one model only”. What happened? Failed. Toyotas etc beat the American market hollow. Why do I put the auto industry here?
Simple. We do not learn form the CV or DVD games, we do not learn from other countries economics, we know there is a huge hole somewhere but we like ostrich keep out neck hidden n the sand for the storm to go away.
This is nothing but short of the biggest farce and hypocrisies the America politicians’ use. Tony Blaire was pushed into the war. Did he want to go? “No”. Now we know. So what responsibility in whose hands? I have yet to ask one who is responsible. I do not see one at the moment. I find and I like the Japan entrepreneurships. When the CEO makes the mistake, he commits suicide rather then extend the falsehood to the length where the truth comes out so open that the future look bleak not to the rich but the other growing poor countries and the people like Fidel Castro who was to be poisoned know the USA polices.
Sir. Thank you for the target heading.
We are from Darwin. We are apes. Read the above and the zoos are waiting for us so the animals can see us and say

23

Andrew Allan,

09/07/2007 09:24:07

AM2, Glasgow / 9:21am 7 Jul 2007

‘Kenny MacAskill is an ignorant fool. His notion that these alleged suicide bombers not having been “born and raised” in Scotland is somehow a significant factor is misguided, dangerous and to anyone with the ability to see it carries a disturbing racial undertone.’
You say ‘Kenny MacAskill is an ignorant fool’, as he says it is a significant factor that the terrorists weren’t ‘born and raised’ in Scotland, but you neglect to inform us as to why you say so, have you a point you want to share with us, and why exactly should there be disturbing racial undertones in what Kenny MacAskill said? Is it not in fact your own ignorance at play here, in the way you view these Scots who are Muslims, you have no idea what so ever, what a Scottish Muslim is thinking, in very much the same way as any other Scot.
‘He clearly doesn’t understand that the ideologies of radical Islam are entirely independent of national identity. It is only a matter of time before a Scottish-born and raised Muslim carries out a terrorist atrocity. I wonder what tack he’ll take in that situation to brush it all under the carpet’
AM2, I really wish you would get your facts straight, as a religion, Islam is entirely independent of national identity which is to say all Muslims are brothers and sisters, it is radical Islam that is trying to exploit this point. Practically however, all Islamic countries have their own flags of recognition, as all other countries do. It seems to me that you have very little understanding of the situation at hand, and have no proof what so ever that a Scottish-born and raised Muslim will carry out a terrorist atrocity. Your attempt at proving your point with the two articles was almost as stupid as you saying a Scottish-born and raised Muslim will carry out a terrorist atrocity, without proof. The so called ‘Tartan Taliban’ if you had read it properly, shows that Mr McLintock has never fought militarily against Britain,

24

Andrew Allan,

09/07/2007 09:26:57

The Antifascist, Edinburgh / 12:13pm 6 Jul 2007

‘Andrew Allan: the SNP are just to the left of New Labour? Why is the party abolishing tuition fees (when the money could more sensibly be directed towards increasing funding for universities themselves, as in England) and take a stance against Trident and nuclear power stations then? What about the party’s attitude to Iraq? These policies strike many as extremely old Labour! You’ll be telling the Antifascist next that the SNP are all in favour of foundation hospitals! THE SNP ARE IN FACT JUST TO THE RIGHT OF OLD LABOUR and this is why they have never been able to build up a base in my affluent hometown of Edinburgh, which by the way would be an SNP free zone at parliamentary level to this day if the powers that be hadn’t joined Edinburgh East with Musselburgh before the last Scottish Parliament elections!’
Ah, the Antifascist, from Edward Died In November Buried Under Robert Graham’s House, affluent yes, and so it should be, it’s the capital! And a photo opportunity for those in Westminster who wish to show devolution is working. Tuition fees are an anathema, and an attack on the traditional Scottish belief of anti-elitism, they neither fully pay for the stated tuition, nor the upkeep of the universities, point in fact comes from the Guardian on 07/07/07, the article’s title was ‘Secret list of universities facing collapse’, ‘papers name 46 institutions in crisis’, these named universities are English, others that are in greater trouble were not named. As for the anti-nuclear movement, since when has it been a single party issue? The reasoning for Iraq was never going to be sustainable, yet the most stupidity has to go to those who hadn’t realized there would be attacks on our soldiers as there have been, there had been more than enough indications in the few years previous, that Islamic militants weren’t tolerating western soldiers on Muslim soil, and were setting suicide attacks.
It doesn’t mat

25

Pete,

Paisley 09/07/2007 10:20:01

#s 1 - 22

One thing is sure, nobody is ever going to buy anything you pathetic whingers write. Do you think that you are anything other than a miserable collection of insomniacs without an original thought. If you had anything other than spite and bile in your guts Scotland would have a chance. As it is chancers like Alec Salmond make it to Holyrood and you think that is success.
Time will demonstrate that nobody gives a toss for your opinions, even Alec Salmond

26

Davie from Irvine,

Ayrshire 09/07/2007 10:49:57

Pete 26 You are not in favour of debate then ?

27

James,

Dundee 09/07/2007 10:50:35

#26 Pirate Pete
We really really really give a monkeys for your opinion.
An apologiste for a corrupt and moribund collection of chancers who at long last have been found out.

28

Pete,

Paisley 09/07/2007 11:08:15

Davie from Irvine # 27

What debate? All there is, is a collection of assertions by a self selecting minority. Twenty ODD post on this forum hardly comprises a quorum.

James # 28

I'll repeat it again, in case you can't believe your eyes, nobody gives a toss for anything published in this forum.
In case you misinterpreted, I did not defend Alistair Campbell, didn't even mention his name, so no apologist. You people are jealous of successful people, that is a cross that Scotland has to bear.

29

tomfrom66,

Blackpool UK 09/07/2007 11:41:06

Can you the sound of rats scurrying off a sinking ship?

30

Heard it all before,

Central Scotland 09/07/2007 12:06:20

Just to get the rantings back on track - A Campbell lies through his teeth.

31

James,

Dundee 09/07/2007 12:07:01

#32
New Labour and Run Down go hand in hand.
As long as the expenses and the envolopes keep coming.

32

James,

Dundee 09/07/2007 12:24:41

#30 I'm surprised that you think we live in a successful country. Thts why many people 'jealously' would like radical change.
Let us throw off our chains, and we as a country can be successful. All of us, that is. Yes, even you if you play your part.

33

Eve,

Scotland 09/07/2007 12:32:26

#7. Suck-McCrunchie: What they have won???????
I thought here where solders still out there still unfortunately being killed!!

Didn't think anyone could win that war!!!!!!!!!!
(Seems unwinnable too me.)

Or are the American already claiming that they've won as they did all wars in the past!!!!!!

34

Listen Ear,

09/07/2007 12:43:39

I have no doubt Blair should be arrested and tried for war crimes, mass murder, aiding and abetting ethnic cleansing and terrorism.

35

Listen Ear,

09/07/2007 12:51:34

The Link below is a Video clip of Kieth Olberman having a rip at George Bush..

After shredding Bush about Libby's pardon.. he goes on to say..

"I accuse you, Mr. Bush, of lying this country into war.

"I accuse you of fabricating in the minds of your own people, a false implied link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11".

"I accuse you of firing the generals who told you that the plans for Iraq were disastrously insufficient".

"I accuse you of causing in Iraq the needless deaths of 3,586 of our brothers and sons, and sisters and daughters, and friends and neighbors".

"I accuse you of subverting the Constitution, not in some misguided but sincerely-motivated struggle to combat terrorists, but to stifle dissent".

"I accuse you of fomenting fear among your own people, of creating the very terror you claim to have fought".

"I accuse you of exploiting that unreasoning fear, the natural fear of your own people who just want to live their lives in peace, as a political tool to slander your critics and libel your opponents".

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=8dd25465-1...=

Pretty much the same applies to Blair!

36

'Hezza,

09/07/2007 12:56:22

Pete, given that you are from Paisley, I'm surprised you can read. I understand that the audio-book, narrated posthumously by Kenneth Williams, will be out soon. "infamy! infamy! They've all got it in for me!"

37

MJ,

France 09/07/2007 14:21:13

Given his previous form what could Campbell possibly say that anyone would believe. He spent his days lying for Blair under the pretence that "spin" is not actually lying, but less heinous, more acceptable. They should all note Kipling's short verse, A Dead Dtatesman.
"I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?"

38

thomas,

midlothian 09/07/2007 14:22:16

suck mcrunchie
there are no winners only losers, thanks to blair bush and cheney.
what society needs is a disconnect from the abuse of power appropriated by this terrible trio.
the supposed civilized societies of the west are anything but!
mrs indirha gandi said it best in 1966 when asked about western civilization her response was;
would'nt that be nice!

39

Fez,

Mauritius 09/07/2007 14:52:44

Campbell wants to make a few bucks selling his trash to the public. He flatters himself with fancy statements about his importance.

We don't want to be reminded of Blair who went to war saying that he thought it was the right thing to do and what a high price so many have paid with their lives.

Spare us the lies which the pair have spun for so long!

40

Ian Menzies,

Planet Earth 09/07/2007 14:58:20

#30
If nobody gives a toss about anthing posted on this forum why are you posting on it?

41

georgia,

outside of chicago 09/07/2007 15:05:40

Most of the comments this morning (well, here in Chicago, anyway) have been spot-on! George W. Bush wouldn't know the word "unilaterist" if it weren't written down for him to read, and then he would mispronounce it.....

Bush looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul, and I guess he looked into Bliar's eyes and saw a great void. Having Tony for an ambassador for peace is like having Margaret Thatcher stand for England in the Miss Universe contest - nothing against her or Tony, but they just aren't cut out for the job!!!

42

sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 15:21:42

#39--Listen Ear---your quoting keith olbermanistan?
the keith O' whose ratings were in the tank until he started spewing hate against the USA, the Troops & the President & embracing the terrorists? that keith O'?? due to the thousands of hateful terrorist appeasers like you his ratings are not quite up to par with cutie katie couric.....thats showing them keith!!! no one watches him but your ilk!! where did you go for your daily fix of hate of the USA & the President before keith O'?? watched old film of Hitler & Saddam at work??

43

sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 15:27:06

#42--thomas---""there are no winners only losers, thanks to blair bush and cheney""

so sorry for your loss!! it must be very difficult after backing your pals the terrorists for so long to now admit they are the ""losers""........

44

Paulc37,

Fairfax Va. 09/07/2007 15:30:59

People would look at Iraq differently if they thought every Muslim is a threat in their own neighborhood.

Iraq is but "one battle" in a world wide WAR against this murderous death Cult of Islam.

Islam is an ideology no different than Communism and Nazism.

Deniers of this analogy just have not read enough about Islam, its war manual --the Koran, and its violent execution of its verses in every country in this world.

Islamic uprisings all over the world and you people blame Blair.

Too bad for you and your Country. I'm sorry we shed our blood to keep you free to expound little more than hate of America and your own men and woman who died for your liberty.

45

sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 15:31:42

#45--georgia---Pres. Bush certainly would know how to spell "unilateralist".....

you need a re-write to make your silly point!!!
re-read your post...................

46

sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 15:34:14

#48--Paulc37---bravo!!

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James,

Dundee 09/07/2007 16:03:52

#48 & 49

Dont worry we'll take help or give help when required. We wont be lectured to by crazed GOP neo-cons like yourselves.

Please give us a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

War against militant Islam is one thing. The enemy of the West is equally a militarist and soft headed one approach fits all United States.

49

Allan(handofgod137),

09/07/2007 16:45:28

So can we start talking about tony's failure to prevent the multitude of bogus assylum seekers who've turned out to be criminals or terrorists, or is the hootsmon still censoring this subject?

50

Pictus,

Lantern Hill 09/07/2007 16:47:31

#50, Sandy - Weren't you the guy who was going to move back to Scotland where he wouldn't have to feel obliged to 'toe the Bush line' any longer? Perhaps I'm confusing you with somebody else. Somebody sensible.

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Pictus,

Lantern Hill 09/07/2007 17:02:29

#55, interstellarmice - Right on! So, why don't you contribute some adulterated drivel, and we can all 'get on with us lives'.

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thomas,

midlothian 09/07/2007 18:00:13

sandy u.s.a.
i did not claim friendship with the terrorists.
people are dying on all sides of this intrusion of foriegn lands.
obviously you are cut from the same cloth as bush
a white supremacist with no christian beliefs.
when people starts wars to make profit that should have been stopped by democracy before the fighting starts, their punishment deserves the ultimate sacrifice similar to the forces personnel who suffered that fate following their dictat.
greed is only overcome by fear.
the u.s.a. will soon find they have few allies on the planet.that will induce some respect of the other peoples way of life. it may not be acceptable to some but it has prevailed for thousands of years.

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Mrs. Trellis,

Devon 09/07/2007 19:07:06

I read elsewhere that Campbell says in his book that "Mandelson threw a punch at him and they had to be separated by Blair". I was under the impression that Campbell was a Black belt in karate?? If so it was yet another serious and stupid blunder by Mandy.

Still I also read that Blair is giving Mandelson a Peerage !! Can you believe it?? Lets hope Gordon has the courage to delay any chance of that until the CPS makes it's decisions known regard the Cash for Honour debacle.

MrsT

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sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 19:22:19

#54--Pictus---no, i am the 'gal' that lives in Pennsylvania & intends to stay, however, Scotland would be a good place to visit:) ......it takes a very weak person to run away from the political system in their country...a strong willed person to stay & try to make changes.... sensible?

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whatsyourname,

09/07/2007 19:24:12

why people dont see that it is all a set up for the new world order I dont know. Bush is an idiot he could not run a country even if he tryed, same as the rest of the leaders in the States, Who says we even need these jerks to tell us how things should be.

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Caora Dubh,

Dhachaidh 09/07/2007 19:32:35

It is easy to pass judgement on the Iraqi invasion from a position of ignorance. Read some books written by people with first hand experience of the Iraq's history and its people, Iraq under Saddam, the coalition invasion, and Iraq after the invasion.
Before the invasion it was known that Saddam:
1 Killed many thousands of Iranian soldiers with gas.
2 Killed 5000 Kurds in 1988 using gas.
3 Had otherwise ruthlessly suppressed Kurds, Shi'ites, and Marsh Arabs.
4 Had invaded Kuwait, a tiny, peaceful neighbour.
5 Murdered Iraqis on the merest hint of not being government supporters. Tens of thousands of Iraqis disappeared during his rule.
6 Had developed a biological weapons plant, with huge incubation vats suitable for bacteria.
7 Had developed missiles capable of delivering chemical and biological weapons to towns in foreign countries.
8 Had a ruthless secret police service, with so many informers that Iraqis were terrified to even be caught talking with foreign journalists alone.
9 Had total control over the Iraqi media.
10 Had squandered huge amounts of Iraq's money instead of spending it on upgrading the services required by Iraqi people. Saddam built grotesque monuments and palaces.
11 Saddam used torture not once, but habitually.

Groups such as Amnesty International were baying for Saddam's blood. Sanctions had been tried against Iraq, but numerous governments and individuals saw fit to profit by these arrangements, and it was known that sanctions were hurting innocent Iraqis. Despite Hans Blix's best efforts, no one, I repeat no one, could tell if all weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed. Why? Because a jar of anthrax spores can be stored in a freezer in a Baghdad basement. And anthrax is just the beginning, in fact one of the least harmful of a long list of powerful agents.

Now I know that all those wisecracks out there think that it would have been better to play C

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sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 19:36:40

#58--thomas--""the USA will soon find they have few allies on the planet""

your probably right...yet the citizens of those countries will forever try to come here...what does that tell you?? perhaps some from 'Midlothian'???

we are certainly safer in the USA, because of Pres. Bush. so you don't like us, so what!!! the global radical islamic jihadists don't think were pretty either, but we ARE safe!!!

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sandy,

USA 09/07/2007 19:43:37

#62--Caora Dubh---well & accurately stated!! :-)

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Pictus,

Lake of Shining Waters 09/07/2007 19:48:43

#60, Sandy - Forgive me! I'll no make that mistake again. Never having seen you throw a ball, how was I to know you were a 'gal'? Anyhow, I'm delighted to hear you are sensible, strong-willed and trying to make changes in the U.S. political scene. That sounds hopeful, depending on the changes of course.

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Mr Steve,

Geezerville, Southern UK 09/07/2007 20:19:18

#62 - Yes, you are right.

But - considering the huge loss of innocent lives in Iraq since the invasion and destruction of the country, with 20/20 hindsight , would it not have been better for the West to organise a coup with a transition to a friendlier dictator? Collateral damage would have been minimal and Iraqi infrastructure would have remained intact. Bush and Cheney would have been able to hook into Iraq's immense oil reserves without resentment.
Meanwhile, in Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe continues to oppress his own citizens while bankrupting his once prosperous country. Millions are starving to death. Why is there no action by the West? Maybe because there's no significant oil there.
Getting back on track, I agree with the earlier posts that Campbell's "diaries" are just more spin from the spinmeister and feel that Campbell and Blair are lying toerags. Blair - Middle East peace envoy? Do me a favour! And apparently Nancy Dellolio will be assisting him (!!?) Yeah baybeee!! You couldn't make it up!

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France,

In my bunker, in the UK, hiding from WMDs. 09/07/2007 20:21:02

Why on earth does Alistair Campbell refer to Mr Blair as 'TB'? It's very offensive to patients with the disease. He would do better calling him 'GBP' (George Bush's Poodle!

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Mr Steve,

Geezerville, Southern UK 09/07/2007 21:02:08

I see that Blair has arranged for Mandelson to recieve a peerage ( Lord Mandelson of Bumjoy perhaps). No doubt Campbell will soon be getting a peerage too - Lord Campbell of Rotational Momentum.

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Pictus,

09/07/2007 21:23:21

#66, Richard, West Lothian - Thank you for your caution about Sandy the Gal; but, really, we should try to find the good in everyone . Well, perhaps not Dead-Eye Dick Cheney and most Campbells. Oh, hell, I just had a terrible thought: I hope she isn't a Sandy Campbell!

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whatsyourname,

09/07/2007 21:48:37

# 62 Glad to see you did some research, Saddam is part of what is going on, tell me whats the diffrence between gasing them or us blowing them up,Saddam is a blood line. We are not saving them we are helping to elimante these poor souls life, do more research.

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Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 09/07/2007 22:33:45

#62

You're analysis of Saddam is pretty much spot on. But who's disagreeing. As you said, Amnesty was baying for his blood. Why do you think those of us who opposed the invasion think any differently?

What we opposed was the dropping of billions of dollars of munitions that instantly destroyed a country's infrastructure, made millions unemployed, killed thousands of civilians, and yet failed to kill the target. If it wasn't so tragic it would be comical. I'm reminded of the chivalrous knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail who, in saving the fair princess, manages to slaughter every innocent person in the castle.

And some years on, we're still apparently in imminent danger from anthrax spores or other terrorist delights. Talk about failed objectives.

You misrepresent not destroying cities as appeasement. You don't want to be seen as doing nothing, even if your actions produce a disaster on the scale we have now. Why? Because it might open you to accusations of being a Saddam-lover or freedom-hater? I have to question who's gutless.

If you feel the need to be seen as part of a noble cause, I suggest you read up on circumstances where doing nothing was seen as the honourable course of action. Japanese culture is full of such tales. Of course, in these tales, the villain always gets his come-uppance in the end. In the case of Saddam, there was always the possibility that if we had been more patient, he would have been back on our payroll at some point.

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Graeme M,

Australia 09/07/2007 22:38:46

Thomas, No 5, you forgot one!...John Howard in Australia. The lap-dog of Bush. The worst of them all!...No rhyme or reason for his actions, just pure crawl!...I am sure the world may be a better place if the nations of this world stayed home and minded their own sodden business. except in a time of proper conflict, if there is a proper time. My wife lost four uncles in the first world war!...Today the same old stuff ...There was no reason for going to war with Iraq, it was up to the people there to sort out their own problems, not under-hand deals in Washington. I sincerely hope all the perpetrators of this crime are gone forever shortly. I hope they can sleep at night...

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McBUNKEY,

massachusetts 10/07/2007 00:39:36

TONY BLAIR, AND "president bungler" (who "ran" from Viet Nam War), V.P. evil-cheney, RUMSFELD, RICE ... they can all meet at the Hague. AND THEY CAN ALL STAND TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES AT THE WORLD COURT. SUCH INCOMPETENCE MAKES ONE WONDER IF "DEMOCRACY" IS THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR GOVERNMENT.

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sandy,

USA, land of the free-home of the brave 10/07/2007 02:33:40

#66--Richard---thank you for the compliment!! i wasn't sure you still cared:)

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The Wizard,

OZ 10/07/2007 06:07:45

#63 Sandy USA

So you are safe in the USA.

Seems you have a short memory. Even at my age I can remember 9/11.

Come on, be hones, Dubya is a moron who was elected by morons.

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wattie>x 1,

10/07/2007 11:05:06

#62>It is................from a position of ignorance!
Before the invasion it was known that Saddam?????
Killed thousands upon thousands of all types off human beings; military and civilains. Just ponder for a moment and get some facts straight about Saddam's Iraq.
If, as you indicate, *HE* killed all these people by, and with various means such as, the latest military, chemical and biological weaponry at his disposal; supplied mostly by the friendly USA and the UK in assisting him to get rid off his Iraqi opponents who were making every attempt to establish a free and democratic Iraq. I wonder why?
Was it not because the opposition was from a broad political spectrum of Iraqis, led by socialists and Communists to take control of the oil fields for the benefit of their people and not for the benefit of the oil monopolies firmly contolled by the USA and the UK? Have you such a short memory I suppose that you don't remember the Tory arms to Iraq scandal?
Saddam had a RUTHLESS secret police did he? What were the secret police of the US and the UK;
(we still have) friendly, compassionate and considerate? Dont you remember the post- 2nd world war America; when people off different political views were also terrified and scared of talking to foreign journalists; or you don't wish to be remembered? And in pre-war USA; black skinned citizens were being RUTHLESSLY lynched and Jews and Catholics hounded; and many died as a result.
Further back into US history; the record of the brutal and inhuman action to eradicate by bullet and flame the extermination of the indigenous AMERICAN can never be forgotten or removed from future history records. Let's appease Saddam; that's just what the US and the UK were doing when he was their trusted friend and lap-dog.
Well; your'e bloody pathetic and gutless.... exactly the sort off wretches such as those in the USA and Tory UK, who helped to finance and support Hitler
pre-1939. Was tha

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molu kikes,

basel 10/07/2007 16:00:30

as his era fade away ,the former primeminister was someone who is very consistant in matters relating his ways of tackling the views , as his close emisery revealed it ,.the so called the blair spook has let the cat everything out of the bag after blair regime has lost horizon in the bedford state ,. well the less sanguine blair has resolved the burning iraq issue with the four anardent of the live earth and left it to them as list grip of his word state thats is the end ,thats the end ,where the house went into some applause,some sorrow, some weeping , and the scene seems as if the fall of usher with devastating cahnge in upholster


 

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