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Published Date: 28 June 2007
THE Scottish National Party was condemned by political opponents last night after some of its MPs refused to join a standing ovation for Tony Blair as he left the House of Commons for the last time.
Mr Blair's departure was greeted by the unprecedented applause, with David Cameron, the Tory leader, waving his MPs to get to their feet to join Labour in saluting Mr Blair as he left the dispatch box.

Even left-wing Labour MPs and the Liberal De
mocrats joined Ulster Unionists as the whole of the House of Commons appeared to rise in tribute to Mr Blair's ten years as Prime Minister.

However, Labour MPs were angered when some SNP members refused to applaud and were reluctant to get to their feet to join what was seen as a collective tribute by the Commons to Mr Blair.

Mike Weir, Angus MacNeil and Pete Wishart of the SNP remained seated, along with their Plaid Cymru counterparts Hywel Williams and Adam Price.

Jim Devine, the Labour MP for Livingston and a bitter opponent of the Nationalists, last night said he would write to Alex Salmond to complain about his MPs' conduct. He added: "This was appalling behaviour."

Last night, however, the Nationalists defended their actions - which came on the same day Alex Salmond, the First Minister, promised to work with Gordon Brown, the new Prime Minister, in the interests of Scotland.

Mr MacNeil, the MP for the Western Isles and the parliamentarian who first raised the cash-for- honours issue, said:

"The House of Commons lost its collective mind. Don't forget, there are half a million dead in Iraq."

Last night, the contrast in the relationship between the SNP and Mr Blair - who did not phone Mr Salmond to congratulate him on becoming First Minister - and Mr Brown became evident.

Just minutes after Mr Brown formally became Prime Minister, Mr Salmond wrote to congratulate him on his appointment.

Mr Salmond - who had tried to impeach Mr Blair over Iraq - said he wanted a co-operative relationship between Holyrood and Westminster. He said: "I look forward to co-operating with Gordon on matters of the Scottish interest. I'm confident both of us can direct our sights to what we need for Scotland."

Sources close to Mr Brown said he was expected to talk to the leaders of the devolved administration, including Mr Salmond, within the next 24 hours.



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1

Boaby Dazzler,

Wine Alley 28/06/2007 00:44:05

Who Cares?

2

Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 28/06/2007 00:44:49

If I had been in the Commons I wouldn't have stood to acknowledge a lying, murdering conman either.

3

GrahamR,

28/06/2007 00:46:32

Why should MPs applaud Tony Bliar? Because he had eventually resigned? Because had had been given a new job as a 'peace' envoy after supporting a war? Or because he had held on to power for as long as he had?

Disrespect is not strong enough. How about complete condemnation? He got into office on 'things could only get better' and left on the same note.

Good riddance is what I'd say.

The problem is that one of his biggest supporters is now PM. Why should anyone trust him any more than his predecessor?

4

Toots - Sheila,

Canada 28/06/2007 00:55:04

Well done the Nats. What was there to applaud?

5

ColinEdin,

28/06/2007 01:00:30

This is exactly what the rest of the parliament should have done. It would have been much better for Mr Blair's ego if only a select few frontbench Labour MP's clapped for him.

6

Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 28/06/2007 01:04:31

And as for the Hootsman's pop-ups. I'll never buy a Kia

7

Auckland Arab2,

28/06/2007 01:04:41

Payback time. Bliar refuses to call and congratulate Alex so why should they applaud him? To have done so would have been hypocritical.

8

2dogs in D.C.,

scratching 28/06/2007 01:10:24

#7-Mr.Jimmy t p, These damned things are getting me as well.As to ovations, I always thought you only did that as a matter of respect?

9

Keren, It's time,

28/06/2007 01:11:22

I don't work my butt off for the SNP for our MP's to give standing ovations to someone who tells us that if we dared to run out own country like anyone else, our economy would be 'wrecked' without middle Ingurland telling us what to do.

Well done Mike, Angus and Pete for actually having some principles.

10

Keren, It's time,

28/06/2007 01:14:06

Also (yup me again!)...has Jin Devine REALLY got nothing better to do than to write to Alex Salmond about SNP MP's not giving Bliar a standing ovation?

Are unemployment and crime in Livinsgtone at zero level then?

11

Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 28/06/2007 01:23:26

#11 Keren
That's a revelation!! Jim Devine being able to write?? Sounds like a wind up by Broon's new team of liars, sorry spin doctors.

12

Michael Leonard,

Edinburgh 28/06/2007 02:10:01

The only reason to applaud Blair is because he is going!
GOOD RIDDANCE.

13

Auckland Arab2,

28/06/2007 05:06:53

#16

Get yourself a pop up blocker or upgrade to the latest version of IE and turn on the pop up bocker.

14

Tru Scot,

Over Here 28/06/2007 05:57:16

As No 1 said "Who Cares"
Although what a man eh, he leaves the PM position after 10 years with the country worse off then when he first took office. Then because of his "excellent" track record he is given a mid-east peace roll, the only good thing to be said about this post is that it should keep him busy there for the next 10 years. He better be careful though as he might get dizzy with all the spin he will be doing.

15

AngusMor,

God's Own Island 28/06/2007 06:49:20

Tru Scot

I have Nat tendancies but tell me, how is Scotland worse off under Tony? We have higher public spending, better health care, free care for the elderly, wages have gone up, employment has gone down, up here we got a ferry discount and an airline discount for getting on and off the island etc etc.

His administration has done some good things for us.

16

donald,

weegieland 28/06/2007 07:08:19

Is Jim Devine the Northbritishperson's latest dummy pop up?

Prefer Steak and Kidney masel'.

17

Vincent W,

Edinburgh 28/06/2007 07:18:50

This article is in the same vein as the supposed headline in the Press and Journal - "Aberdeen man feared lost at sea" following the Titanic disaster

18

hertscot,

28/06/2007 07:22:17

So the SNP can't show respect for the man who made sure there was a Scottish Parliament, and (perhaps unwittingly) paved the way for an Nationalist government.

You've now lost my vote.

You need to to show respect to gain respect.

19

Guga II,

Rockall 28/06/2007 07:23:02

Only a bunch of hypocrites would give a standing ovation to a self-serving blatant liar, charlatan and war criminal.

20

Boy Wonder,

28/06/2007 07:32:49

I wouldn't have stood up for him either. He orchestrated the hijacking of the Labour Party along with certain others and turned it into a Tory clone! Showed his true colours, didn't he??

21

WW,

28/06/2007 07:33:51

The media is currently in 'revisionist' mode with Blair, re-writing or ignoring recent history, downplaying or not mentioning the dead in Iraq, the lies he told to promote a war, his support for criminal activity by BAE etc etc. Those MP's who stood by their consciences and did not stand and applaud Bliar should not be villified by our press for doing what they think is right. Blair may yet be brought to account for Iraq, and there won't be many standing shoulder to shoulder with him then!!

22

Tru Scot,

Over Here 28/06/2007 07:42:27

No 19 Angus Mor - Hi Angus if you look at Britain, the whole picture, I am sure that you will agree that the country is looking a bit worse for ware than it was 10 years ago, on national basis look at NHS, Education etc Plus on a personal note I never really liked him because to me spin=lies, although as per No 22 hertscot he did give us the Scots parliament, as far as I am concerned the only plus point

23

Anna Matronic,

28/06/2007 07:45:35

Was it not just a couple of weeks ago when we heard the infamous "who cares!" followed by a collective laugh from the Labour bench during question time in festerminster?

Wether you are Labour, Lib or Nat the fact that the people in government openly deride and sneer at anything to do with Scotland during question time, should strike a collective chord.

#22 Said "you need to show respect to gain respect"
I was always taught that respect cannot be bought. Respect can only be earned. Perhaps the phrase can be reveresed and one could say "show a lack of respect, expect a lack of respect in return".

No call to our First Minister, no reply to Alex's second letter re: the Libya debacle. The fact the first one was penned by a lackey and only signed by bLAIR speaks volumes of how petty minded this murderer really was.

He had my respect when he first took office. It slowly drained from that time onwards. The SNP MP's had every right to show their disgust of a man who treated the citizens who they represent with utter contempt.

Labour- the party of the millions.
Nu Labour -the party of the millionaires.

We even have career Tories joining them now. Just shows how much they have changed their spots.
Vote-labour, get Tory.
Vote-Tory, get right wing Labour.
They are the same nowadays. The common denominator is Lucre, how much is in it for me, should be their joint slogan.

24

BK,

Cyberspace 28/06/2007 07:59:09

Why should they applaud the foulest criminal in modern UK history? Would they have applauded Harold Shipman? He only murdered about two hundred. Blair murdered a thousand times this.

25

Olicana,

Edinburgh 28/06/2007 08:04:32

We won't forget you Tony Blairaq!

26

frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/06/2007 08:05:41

As I understand it, a standing ovation is a sign of respect.
So, if you don't believe that that respect is warranted, you don't participate.
How can that be construed as lack of respect? To participate would be hypocritical.

27

Loop,

Stirling in the rain 28/06/2007 08:22:09

Does the North Britishman not have any news to print? SNP MPs shouldn't have to applaud a tyranical war criminal. They were right not to. This is not a story.
This 'paper' is getting worse and so quickly- come back Andrew Neil so at least it'll contain semi-coherent rants that amuse.

28

megz,

east renfrewshire 28/06/2007 08:44:42

The tories didn't want to get up either until mr cameron forced them to.

29

David MacVicar,

web 28/06/2007 08:52:33

27. Anna Matronic. My sentiments exactly.
Blair has openly snubbed the SNP and AS in particular, probably due to the several questions they asked calling his government to account eg cash for peerages and the impeachment call.

Mr blair makes Chemical Ali look like an amateur.
His new post is hilarious, hide the truth, smother the bbc resulting in the death of someone with moral values, take us to war on false pretences resulting in some of his own ministers resigning over the blatant untuths resulting in half a million dead and many more displaced. Now he wants to be a 'peace' envoy.

That is what I would call "appalling behaviour".

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Gus Abraham,

Glasgow 28/06/2007 08:56:17

Quite why there was this parliamentary unity over the departure of a man who is still part of an ongoing police inquiry and is resonsible for 1000s of deaths in Iraq I don't know.

Are fake congratulations now compulsory? Pass the puke bucket.

One thing is certain - that his appointment as Bush's rep in the Middle East is a mistake of gigantic proportiosn fuelled only by self-delusion and vanity. He'll be dead within a year.

Gus @ http://1820.org.uk

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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 28/06/2007 09:01:39

Yesterday evening, BBC Radio Scotland's news programme described the standing ovation as being "unprecedented", i.e. hitherto it hasn't been the custom in such circumstances.

With that in mind, I don't see how declining to take part can be seen as misconduct.

32

Cadgers,

Perth 28/06/2007 09:02:28

#27 Anna Matronic, well said.

33

subrosa,

28/06/2007 09:03:03

#22 As I understand it it against the rules of the House of Commons to have applause within the chamber. The SNP were sticking to the rules. The whole ovation thing was organised by Blair's boys and worked perfectly....but bet David Cameron's kicking himself this morning :)

34

Miss H,

28/06/2007 09:31:09

Can't believe either this story or some of the comments. It's not as if the MPs mooned him or anything. Now that would have been worth commenting on.

Jim Devine should either start to do his job as an MP properly or look for another one.

35

Help Ma Boab,

Edinburgh 28/06/2007 09:37:18

I would have appluaded him, partly for politness (yes i know silly) and mostly cos he did a lot of good domestically (well as good as it gets in this country). i still rememebr teh Thatcher years and how msierabel they were, Britiain is a wee bit better to live in now, a wee bit. But, i don't think anyoen else shoudl be cirticised if they felt it would be hypocritical of them to do it, last i checked we were still living in a half-assed democracy so in theory (but obviously not in practice...) every MP should be free to choose whether they want to applaud or boo or even snooze through the whole thing.

36

Melanthios,

Stirling 28/06/2007 09:53:32

I think they all stood up to make sure he was going.

37

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 28/06/2007 10:30:56

Oh how this paper makes me laugh.

Disrespect ?

Remind me again of the Scotsmans' reporting of Tonys failure to congratulate Alex Salmond.

Or was that just a snub ?

Standing ovations are not compulsory, I say well done to all that stood by principles and refused to join in.

38

Paula,

28/06/2007 10:36:07

In reply to Keren; really, Jim Devine indeed has nothing better to do. Ever since the whole Farepak nonsense that he tried to get noticed over faded from memory he needs something to say to try and get his name in the papers. A Labourite being a productive member of government rather than a bickering, sniping whinger - Keren you credit them with more intelligence than they have ;)

The SNP not standing proved they are not hyprocrites, unlike other, such as the LibDems who seem to have forgotten their anti-war stance. In fact the LibDems have been a huge disappointment since they turned into Labour lapdogs.

That Blair was applauded shows what a good actor he was and nothing more. He had the potential to make Britain a great place, he had the potential to be the best PM ever, instead he ruined it all and will be forever remembered for Iraq, spin and the ability to believe your own lies. What a waste.

39

sam the god,

28/06/2007 10:38:44

the smp should wait the same length of time it took tony to phone alex and then have a standing ovation for tony

40

Gone Native,

28/06/2007 10:48:13

Well done Angus, Mike and Peter!

Each supine clap of the hands afforded Blair yesterday was a slap in the face to the millions of families that this criminal has left devastated.

The fact that these brave politicians were alone in their protest only serves to illustrate the obsequiousness pervading our political institutions.

Blair will get what's coming to him, one way or another.

41

mr chips,

28/06/2007 10:57:17

2. Jimmy the Pie, North Sea/ Well said pal ,my sentiments exactly.Another two scots soldiers
killed today,and bliar is on a jolly with his groveling minions.

42

Sam Mond,

Io 28/06/2007 11:51:28

Loved the kick in the teeth letter to Gordo...

I doubt (unless compulsory) that I'd have even bothered attending!! I take it Wee Eck was absent? Surely that's far worse than sitting in protest.

43

cruiseship,

just leaving New York 28/06/2007 12:15:01

Keren - it's time, you said in your post:

"I don't work my butt off for the SNP for our MP's to give standing ovations to someone who tells us that if we dared to run out own country like anyone else, our economy would be 'wrecked' without middle Ingurland telling us what to do."

I asked you Keren the other day (but got no answer), are you anti-English? Can you give an honest answer please?
Why do you spell England as 'Ingurland'?
Is this the way the rest of your party, the SNP, spell England? Do you believe that the rest of your party members are anti-English?
Once again, Keren, I ask do you hate/despise the English - are you anti-English? Speak the truth now.

44

Gus Abraham,

Glasgow 28/06/2007 12:20:39

From this:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/tonyblair/story/0,,2113932...

its clear that Blair is a common criminal as well as a war criminal was interviewed again by police as he scarpered out the door.

Keren is quite right, Blair may be the darling of Middle Ingerlund but here people know a conman when they see one.

Dont know what your problem is cruiseship.

45

cruiseship,

atlantic 28/06/2007 12:36:30

My point is Gus, I believe that Keren (who has been posting on here for as long as I remember) is anti-English and I wanted to put the record straight and see if she would admit it. She works for the SNP, and I wanted to know her honest answer.

46

Maurice,

Fife 28/06/2007 12:51:29

Most of you have said it all. To stand up as a show of respect would make the SNP just as guilty as labour. guilty of lies, deceipt and spin. Well done Mr. Salmond
47. cruiseship, maybe she spells it that way cos most inglish dont know the difference??

47

Miss H,

28/06/2007 12:58:02

Cruiseship Atlantic

The term Ingerland or Engurland is commonly used by people of a footballing or rugby persuasion.

It is a phonetic spelling of the cry which can frequently be heard emanating from supporters of the England team upon such sporting occasions.

In a similar way the country of Scotland may be referred to by inhabitants of Engurland as Scotchland, and the inhabitants as Sweaty Socks.

It is of course regrettable that rough sporty types should take such liberties with correct terminology. I blame Jimmy Hill myself.

48

Miss H,

28/06/2007 13:06:03

Incidentally there is a quite amusing rumour sweeping the internet that Tony Blair spent part of his first day of freedom, after receiving his standing ovation, being re-interviewed by the police about the cash for honours enquiry.

Downing St has confirmed that he has been interviewed for a 3rd time though they did not say when it happened.

49

Maurice,

Fife 28/06/2007 13:19:17

51. Miss H, please dont knock those of rugby persuasion. Dont you know, Footbal is a gentlemans game played and watched by hooligans and Rugby is a hooligans game played and watched by gentlemen. (they may well be hooligans down South, I never been to Twickenham)

50

Sanny,

Portugal 28/06/2007 14:28:17

7. Jimmy the Pie, North Sea

Use Firefox instead of Microsoft’s Internet Explorer and you can get rid of pop-ups

51

Sanny,

Portugal 28/06/2007 14:34:49

22. hertscot: -
You’re wrong in assuming Blair gave Scotland a devolved parliament by choice. This action was forced on him by the European Council and the EU. Do a little research before making “sound bite” statements.

52

Sanny,

Portugal 28/06/2007 14:40:13

24. Boy Wonder:
I agree, but what I don’t understand is why the grass roots supporters do not challenge the Party for the way they have corrupted the party of Keir Hardie. New Labour stands for everything that Hardie , Maxton, Shinwell and the rest stood against. If we are to have a Socialist Party then let it have socialist principles.

53

The laird.,

leadhills. 28/06/2007 14:49:29

j devine mp.
no self respecting human being would stand up and applaud a war criminal, so I dont know how you seem surprised, after 6 weeks the arogance looser had not got the guts so phone A/Salmond as he has done nothing for scotland what goes around comes around, and for his side kick hen broon he doesnt know what he is going to do his best for his country there are 4, countries on this island so we dont know which one he is meaning he spoke of his school days but failed to mention kirkcaldy one or even scotland once a bunch of crawlers if ever there was any and dont think your fooling the english nation with your conn as you are very much mistaken one down and one to go, and the quicker the better and take the PC brigade with you.

54

Help Ma Boab,

Eh! 28/06/2007 14:50:49

#55 Sanny, that is utter nonsense. It was a condition of Scottish labour support for new labour, pressed by Donald Dewar (one of the campaigners in the failed 70s vote). To suggest it was "forced" on us by the EU is rabid anti-EU nonsense as the EU cannae dae that (really, they cannae). Read a lot of guff abotu the EU in Scotsman etc but this is the funniest one yet.

55

Edward,

28/06/2007 15:16:08

First of all, clapping in the House of Commons is unsual to say the least
Secondly, why on earth should anyone have applauded Tony Blair?
Thirdly, Some hacks in the pro labour press and TV are getting carried away with themselves as there were more than the SNP mps sitting during the applause, unless SNP happen to have more than I thought

56

Sanny,

Portugal 28/06/2007 15:22:34

58. Help Ma Boab, Eh
Do the research THEN come back at me. Do not forget this was the government of Spin.

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Help Ma Boab,

Eh! 28/06/2007 15:48:44

#60 Sanny Erm, i have, and it is utter and complete nonsense. Prove your case rather than spouting drivel! Sorry, not normally so rude but your allegation is quite possibly the funniest and most depressing bit of misinformation on the EU i have ever read. Do you read the Sun?

58

Adam T,

west labourshire 28/06/2007 16:06:22

so, let me get this straight. Blair cannae be bothered to phone Salmond. A fair few of Blair`s (cos that's what they were ) MSP`s refuse to applaud Salmond when he's sworn in as First minister- and now Salmond`s party are supposed to respect Blair? Nah, don't think so Scotsman. That kind of regime became extinct in Europe around 1989. Bravo the 'wee three'. Mind you, what about the others? I imagine Alec was absent, so what about Stewart Hosie and whatsisface? Did they stand up? Someone deserves a row off Shona Robison and no tea if they did....

59

Eve,

Scotland 28/06/2007 16:46:34

#47. cruiseship: I know nothing about Keren.

But, What I can tell you is that Scottish Nationalist (Not just members of the SNP) are about 99.9% NOT anti-English.

There is some time a wee bit of batter in conversations BUT generally, this is light hearted and the English are doing the same back.

I've met members of the SNP, who are English. Do you think the English members of the SNP are anti-English? I don't!

P.S. I believe the whole miss spelling thing is down to the way some people say it.

60

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 28/06/2007 16:49:57

#11 Actually both crime and unemployment are quite low in Livingston and West Lothian.

The unemployment rate is considerably below the scottish average and as for crime, very little really happens apart from kids drinking at the never ending sea of village/roundabouts. (A roundabout seems to indicate a village in West Lothian)

61

Katty,

Bannockburn 28/06/2007 16:51:08

If anyone needs clapped, it is Tony Blair. Clapped right into prison, where he most certainly belongs.

Why has it taken so long to charge these, thieves and liars. They are a disgrace to The Labour Party.

Cameron was disgraceful in trying to force the opposition benches to their feet. Shame on him and the Lib Dems. Now they all share in his war crimes. They might as well have all shouted out AMEN...

62

Keren, It's time,

28/06/2007 16:55:58

Oh lord not the whole dreary 'the SNP are anti English' saw again!

We have hundreds if not thousands of members who ARE English and hundreds of thousands who vote for us.

Go figure.

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28/06/2007 17:42:00
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/06/2007 18:53:33

#67, Taking.

I believe that's still legal or has Dr. Reid been promulgating more new anti- whatever laws.

65

hertscot,

28/06/2007 19:43:39

#55

The EU only suggested regional government, it didn't have to be followed. The Labour government decided that the Scots and the Welsh would benefit from devolution. The Tory's would never have allowed it and New Labour took the risk of a Nationalist protest vote.
We are still part of the UK, as are Wales, NI and England. Ithink that England should be allowed the same choices as us. Again I say that the SNP only policy is "let's p*ss off the English and keep the simple minded bigots happy"

66

hertscot,

28/06/2007 19:56:20

#66

this could be a one time only vote, unless the SNP actually shows some substance they are dead in the water. The first thing they need to learn is that cooperation with other parties interested in Scotlands future, will benefit the people, if not the SNP.

67

howyoudoingboy,,

28/06/2007 20:32:46

who need to be applauded by a few dog tu#ds

68

Eve,

Scotland 28/06/2007 21:07:08

#70. hertscot: Open your eyes and observer! Progress is being made slowly BUT surely.

Oh and by your logic the Labour Party, Conservatives and Lib Dem must be all dead in the water. That only leave The Green, SSP, Solidarity, the OAP one and any other small party that is not dead in the water by your logic.

#71. howyoudoingboy: Your sick in the head!!!!!

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1314,

28/06/2007 21:13:35

Blair sits there quite happily accepting compliments from the opposition, but can't find the humility to congratulate Alex Salmond.

Pot, Kettle, Black spring to mind. A total hippocrite.

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mr chips,

28/06/2007 21:42:34

Thank fook he and his charity robbing missus have finaly gone.

71

connaughtboy,

29/06/2007 08:29:40

It's not common practice to give war criminals standing ovations at Westminster!

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cruiseship,

Irish Sea 29/06/2007 08:35:49

Keren - are YOU anti-English? That was the question. Can we have an honest answer?

73

Gina Gibson,

Wales 29/06/2007 09:11:10

#78, I believe from her composure that her answer would be NO so why don't you give it a rest you pedantic twit??

74

cruiseship,

Off the Isle of White 29/06/2007 11:12:28

Gina - we can't assume that surely. I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth then we'll know for sure?

75

WL,

livingston 29/06/2007 15:22:11

Why call SNP members "NATS"; you don't call Conservatives "SCUPS" (Scottish Conservative Unionist Party).


 

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