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Published Date: 26 June 2009
CHINESE authorities are taking on Google as part of increased efforts to "clean up" the country's internet and stifle online dissent, a day after US officials urged Beijing to abandon plans for controversial filtering software on new computers.
Both English and Chinese-language versions of the web search engine were briefly inaccessible in China on Wednesday and its Gmail e-mail service was inaccessible from some university campuses, following days of argument after China accused Google
of spreading pornography among its citizens.

"According to complaints from many residents, Google's English-language search engine has spread vulgar content that is lascivious and pornographic, seriously violating China's relevant laws and regulations," foreign affairs ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

Though he did not directly comment on the Google disruption, Mr Qin warned that Google China "should strictly abide by Chinese laws and regulations."

With just less than 100 days to go before the 60th anniversary of the founding of Communist China, authorities are retaining blocks on some popular blogs and web forums, and ordering computer manufacturers to distribute its intrusive "Green Dam" filtering software with all new computers from 1 July. In Beijing, an army of 10,000 volunteers is to police internet use and report "unhealthy" content.

US commerce secretary Gary Locke called on Beijing to revoke the Green Dam order, warning it "poses a serious barrier to trade".

"China is putting companies in an untenable position by requiring them to pre-install software that appears to have broad-based censorship implications and network security issues," Mr Locke said.

"The US and China are waging a war over the internet, a war of information. It's a new Cold War," said Li Xiguang, dean of the journalism school at Beijing's prestigious Tsinghua University, who said China's insistence on the Green Dam software just as protests were breaking out in Iran was likely not coincidental, and Google, as a major US company, was a logical target.

"(Chinese internet companies] say probably the internet is being used as a weapon by the US like it is in Iran," Mr Li said. "(For China] it could be worse than the nuclear weapons used by the North Korean people."

China encourages internet use for education and business, and has the largest population of net users at 298 million. But the government runs the world's most extensive web monitoring and filtering system.

Human-rights groups warn the new measures, along with the arrest of prominent Chinese dissident Lu Xiaobo this week, amount to a new kind of tug-of-war for control between a government trying to stifle an avenue of dissent, and cyber- citizens accustomed to freely expressing themselves online.

That tussle has already led to threats that efforts at censorship will meet with sabotage, according to a Declaration of the Anonymous Netizens published yesterday on an English-language blog, The Shanghaiist.

"It is now clear as day: what you want is the complete control and censorship of the internet. We hereby declare that we, the Anonymous Netizens, are going to launch our attack worldwide on your censorship system starting on 1 July, 2009."





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  • Last Updated: 25 June 2009 11:26 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 00:07:56
Kind of funny,don't ya think,We can always comment on a story about China,But the three above it are verboten.Limbs hacked off,alcohol deaths,Iranian protests,even Farahs' death,not commentable.But China-oh yeah,have at 'em boys.
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Yane,

26/06/2009 00:33:47
You can comment on the Iran story 2dogs but - yeah - the limbs hacked off story - in the name of god! - is that in the name of Allah?
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Mashimaro,

China 26/06/2009 00:34:10
Double Hog! You survived! Welcome back. Yes yes... always whip the Chinese, we're always fair game. The catsup politics continue.
This whole fight, though, will be very interesting. Very very intersting.
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26/06/2009 00:37:44
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GibsonAustralia,

Sydney 26/06/2009 00:58:01
Its quielty known all around the world what China is planning.
God Speaks daily to the christian believers about the red dragon and her outward march across asia.
I cant be hidden!
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 01:20:15
Well,thanks so much,Postit you old (insert insult of choice here).Mashimaro-thanks,I lived.Wondered about it sometimes,though.Don't really know if it was the "piggy" or just the normal "crud",but it was bad,no lie.Mrs.Dogs,(and back off the hogs,y'all,Mrs.Dogs ain't no hog)wanted to haul me off to Hosp. more than once,but I said no.But,to get back to my original post,seems China's fair game for any story,and whether you guys are right or not don't seem to matter much.Mind you,I like my own land more...;-)
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26/06/2009 01:22:02
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26/06/2009 01:28:15
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 01:37:23
You,too,Ya bad penny.Don't worry,the Mrs. and the kids have instructions that upon my toes up,they are to come on this site just to give you the news and a hard time.But no such luck this go.Hi Dennis,Mrs.Who ever this day.Wishing you both well,and Yer Old man can,well,be well,I guess:). Also,according to the news,we've got many boatloads of your folk coming here for Uni.Does that mean they're gonna learn how not to do it? ;)
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26/06/2009 01:47:38
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 01:55:21
Postit-Please remember they have lived w/me for most/all of their lives.They know how to deal w/adversity in a way no university can teach,and will probably be up to any thing you can dish out.Now,dealing with Yer Mrs.,and Dennis,well we'll leave that to them. But You vs.My kin? Good luck,Sir Dude.
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26/06/2009 02:03:03
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GibsonAustralia,

Sydney 26/06/2009 02:04:47
Postie.

As China gears up for moving beyond her borders I am sure the West is quielty getting ready also.
By the time China gets Down Under to 'New South China' we will be ready too.
Not all Australians are asleep to the invasion plan.
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26/06/2009 02:24:19
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John Peters,

26/06/2009 02:38:01
#13 Gibson
I thought religious people were supposed to be a peace with God not at war with China and the middle east..
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 02:59:46
Now come on Postit-what did you just call me? Not exactly fair,cursing in a native tongue that some poor public school grad.don't know.
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26/06/2009 03:09:19
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 03:17:02
Oh,Yeah?Well how about this retort-hunh,whaa? Take that,ya Commie poster,you.(BTW,that's to comment #17,who will unfortunately be blinked out way too soon,thus depriving any later readers of any form of continuity.)
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26/06/2009 03:37:31
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 26/06/2009 03:37:35
.. Best laid plans gan aft agley

Yet I don't think there are schemes to march great armies about. Technology has moved on.
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GibsonAustralia,

Sydney 26/06/2009 03:51:52
John Peters #15
Christians are not at war with others.
Im simply here to speak about China as portrayed in the Book of Revelation 9:16 and 16:12 and in additional visions and prophecies from The Lord.

China IS already at war with the West, though the war is not officially begun.
She plots against the USA and she plots against Australia and she has her eye on the English... having never forgiven for the Opium Wars.
What we in the West dont see is the quiet, secret plans that China has for us.
Thankfully God has revealed all of the secret plans to the christians worldwide so at least some in Western governments will be ready.

God has referred to China, to christians, as quote...the "great deceiver"... and..."a nation of barbarism"...unquote.

Those two statements say all the world needs to know about the old red dragon, China.
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Diego Plasma Residue,

USA 26/06/2009 04:18:44
The fact that China want's to limit the use of the internet to improve the minds of the regular citizens , by concentrating on business and or better mind skills without so much porno and waste of time none sense , this is China's country and citizens , so what? The fact that everyone in the West and around these neck of the woods wants to drink bad beer and look at hours and hours of the most mind rotting prono and who cares what Taylor Swift had for breakfast , anyways? The fact that Taylor Swift is so damn cute and talented , well , that is true she is like a living breathing cone of the most delicious cotton candy and if only I could walk over to Denny's and I might be so blessed to have waffles with Taylor Swift , mmmhh ..... See how quickly I got distracted !! This is my point! Taylor Swift , she is so so cute , I wonder what she had for lunch ... I could walk over to the Shizzler and if the gods above grant me my wish , lunch with Taylor Swift , mmmhh.... Look how easy it is to get distracted!! World Wide Waste of time , you have de-railed my train of thought , oh no!! D.
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 05:09:14
#23-DPR-Along with the porno,and other useless crep,there's also a world of info.I just can't see how once the technology gets in,how a government can get it out.That's why I've said for years,don't drop bombs,drop laptops.Yeah,it won't feed the people food,but it will feed them knowledge.Step by step,the dog got to Dover,right?
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Diego Plasma Residue,

USA 26/06/2009 06:02:50
This is a difficult life to get thru , the fact that we can excahnge ideas almost at an instant , this is good use of technology. I have had plenty of struggles just to keep the drafty house warm last winter , the thermostat was always at 56 to 58 degrees F. I might have to get a second job in the fall just to stay warm next winter , so whenever I read about some over paid spoilt rotten Hollyweird actor gassing on and on about world events it just frosts up my already chilly brain pan. The ancient Pharoahs of old Egypt would be green with envy at how these empty headed movies stars whom have to sub-contract their thinking to an office full of fruit loops! The true genius are the under paid film technicians that make the lucky stars look good , and the dudes that buildt the sets and move the lights around. The loud mouth experts on everything get off the set and start pontificating about things they think they know , wow , what numbskulls! The next thing will be Megan Fox or Shia LeBeefie lecturing everybody about how gassy dairy cows are melting the fragile planet Earth , who is going to run around with big corks and wooden malletes? Not me! The greenies will next have methane detectors outside of all Mexican resturants and if your getting gassy on the way to the car , the methane police will write you up a 50 drachma ticket payable to Al-Ghool of course. The world just gets stranger and stranger , is this really planet Earth or what?
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 06:13:51
Do what I do,invest in caves and horses.
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Media at One,

26/06/2009 06:35:29
I blame the West, we gave them computers, software and google. What did you think was going to happen?
I think Google should apologise and embrace the laws that the Chinese government have in place.
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 06:53:22
I always blame my dog. Especially when it smells.
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/06/2009 07:20:50
So long for today,you postit,you.
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 26/06/2009 11:39:45
Well back in the sixties Scotland was a place with Integrity, Morality and a faith in the future. Now what country would persuade us to give up those standards? Sorry guys, there are a certain percentage of Scotland's population I would consign to the garbage bins, you guys could not do it, but I am sure the Chinese would find a way.
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mike - across the pond,

mashi / posty.... 26/06/2009 19:27:50
can you honestly embrace the claim that google is "spreading pornography"?

um google doesnt spread anything

THAT would be USERS of g-mail sending it to each other

or USERS of google searching for it...

Google cant cause your countrymen to be degenerates... it only provides the tool your degenerates use to further their degenerate status...

now if you were SMART, you'd track that degenerate behavior, and help them out... oh wait, your "help" would involve "degenerate jack booted thugs" kicking in their degenerate skulls... never mind...
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Mashimaro,

China 27/06/2009 10:26:35
Basically, it's our country and we'll decide if we want goole or not.
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Ifan Har,

Scotland 28/06/2009 13:00:19
Before we point our finger at China's censorship we should examine the censorship exercised by the Scotsman's Administrator in this postings column alone.

We, too are prescribed to by the Scotsman as to what postings we are permitted to read!
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Boogeyman,

03/07/2009 17:10:52
It's time someone took on Google.
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Secretary of State,

18/07/2009 13:14:33
If anyone can take on Google it's China. In fact why not just buy Google lock stock and barrel?

 

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