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Published Date: 12 January 2009
GRADUATES will struggle to find jobs due to the current financial crisis, "hobbling Scotland's economy for an entire generation", it has been claimed.
Despite racking up debts of up to £13,000 to pay for their degrees, those leaving university in the summer face a battle for work.

Large firms across the country are slashing their graduate schemes and those still operating are being besieged with applications.

In the banking sector, Northern Rock, which was nationalised last February, suspended its graduate scheme in 2007 and has no plans to reopen it.

Royal Bank of Scotland will take on fewer than the 500 recruited last year, but would not give precise numbers. And HSBC, after announcing redundancies last year, will also be cutting its graduate intake to 242 from 289 last year – a drop of 16.2 per cent.

The bank's recruitment team has seen an explosion of applications, reflecting the reduced number of opportunities.

The same number of people applied between August to November last year as did in the whole of 2007. Meanwhile, accountancy firm KPMG will cut recruitment by a quarter, from 1,000 graduate jobs to 750.

Dramatic falls in graduate opportunities could see soaring unemployment and increasing reliance on the welfare state.

University leaders warned maintaining graduate levels is crucial to pulling Scotland's economy out of recession.

Iain Ferguson, policy executive for CBI Scotland, said: "The fact there are going to be even more skilled workers seeking employment will add a degree of pressure to graduates because they are going to be up against some very skilled, well trained, up-to-date individuals. Companies are feeling the pressure and graduate schemes may not be the number one priority."

A spokesman for Universities Scotland said economic recovery depended on students not being deterred from education.

He added: "There is much pessimism about the Scottish economy, but a degree is for life. Those with degrees find work fastest when (economic] recovery begins and countries with large graduate proportions come out of recession faster than those who don't."

And he urged students not to abandon education. He said: "A highly skilled workforce is just about Scotland's only hope of economic recovery. If we encourage people to leave themselves qualified for jobs which won't exist in future, we will hobble Scotland's economy for an entire generation."

In recent years, the number of graduates going straight into full-time employment has remained relatively stable at about 40 per cent, with about 30 per cent continuing to study.

The fear among student leaders is the number of graduates going into full-time employment will fall while the number on the jobless queues will rise.

With about 74,000 graduates coming out of Scottish institutions each year, around 30,000 usually find full-time employment fairly soon after completing their studies. The concern now is there will not be the jobs available to meet this level of demand.

Charlie Ball, deputy research director at Higher Education Careers Services, which runs the recruitment charity Graduate Prospects, has recently examined the recruitment situation in Scotland.

He said: "Graduates might look at the high-profile finance jobs which a lot of people aspire to, particularly if they have student debt. If they have amassed a lot of graduate debts and want to go into a high- paying job in a bank, they find that a lot more difficult now."

However, he stressed that difficulty did not mean there were no jobs at all.

He said: "In the last UK recession things did get very bad for graduates, but that was because the employers pretty much wholesale shut down their graduate recruitment schemes. By and large that hasn't happened this time, so things look nowhere near as bad as that recession for graduates."

Mr Ball pointed to the fact that the public sector in Scotland is a more important employer than in the rest of the UK for new graduates, and is not cutting back, thereby providing a bonus for Scottish students.

A report published late last year by the National Union of Students in Scotland revealed a third of students had already considered dropping out because of financial hardship.

A spokesman for Aberdeen University said: "Our advice to students would be to keep applying to companies and be prepared to engage in career-management activities earlier if possible: ie join student societies, undertake voluntary work, apply for summer internships, etc. Don't leave these activities until final year."

Professor Nicholas Terry, vice-principal of Abertay University, said students were worried, but urged them not to consider dropping out.

He said: "Students about to graduate are having to adjust their expectations, but this shouldn't come at the expense of their career ambitions. Most students are mature enough to realise they'll simply have to adjust to labour market conditions when they graduate. My advice to students who are graduating in 2009 is, firstly, think long-term. Their careers are going to last a lot longer than the financial downturn, so keep some perspective on the matter."

Meanwhile, Mark Ballard, the rector of Edinburgh University, agreed students faced a difficult time.

And he called for greater support for students to allow them to take part in internships and greater emphasis in universities on soft skills.

He said: "Universities must look at everything they need to do to prepare graduates for the world of employment. That is soft skills such as how to do presentations, how to write reports – all the things you need for employment, and making sure those are given equal priority to the more academic side."

Gurjit Singh, NUS Scotland president, said: "Given the levels of debt currently being accrued by students, the news that their job prospects are being diminished due to the economic downturn is extremely worrying for those who are preparing to graduate in 2009."


'There is a freeze on recruitment'

Jonathan Eastgate, 21

JONATHAN, from Glasgow, graduated from the University of Glasgow in July 2008 with a 2:2 in Aeronautical Engineering. He has been job-hunting ever since and is still looking for work.

He said: "I think it is definitely harder for graduates at the moment. A lot of places I applied to have just not got back to me or have e-mailed me to say that they are still considering applications.

"It seems like there is a freeze on recruitment in some companies, and companies don't seem to know how many graduates they are taking on or when.

"Most people on my course have really struggled to get jobs. A lot of my friends are still working part-time in jobs they had as students in bars and in supermarkets, because they just can't get anything."

'I know people who started graduate jobs, but were sacked six months later'

Oliver Lash-Williams, 23

OLIVER is a fourth year History and Cultural History student at the University of Aberdeen.

He is so worried about students' job prospects in the current climate that he in chairing a sub-committee on employability at the Aberdeen Students' Association.

The committee was set up by students, but is working with the university careers service and is lobbying the university to make students more employable.

He said: "The aim of the committee is to enable students to be better-equipped when they graduate – to hone their skills for and to get internships whilst they are at university. We also want to learn from students at other universities. At Oxbridge, for example, students are encouraged to do internships throughout their degrees.

"I am really worried about my job prospects. A lot of my friends who graduated last year have found it really difficult to get jobs. I originally wanted to go into law through a post-graduate course in London, but because the financial industries have dried up law is ultra-competitive at the moment.

"I'm now thinking that I might have to take a year out to do some internships or go into teaching. Teaching is really the only graduate job out there that you feel you have a chance in at the moment. I am fortunate to be able to consider going abroad for a year – my friends who are in more debt are in real trouble and are really scared.

"I have friends a couple of years above me who have started graduate jobs in finance and engineering, but they are really unstable. I know people who started graduate jobs, but were sacked six months later."

'It is so difficult to get jobs'

Nicola Grylls, 23

NICOLA graduated with a 2:1 in history from the University of Edinburgh in July 2008.

She said: "What I was hoping to do with my degree was get on to one of the large graduate schemes for advertising or marketing, but they were even more competitive last year than they normally are.

"I decided to look at smaller companies instead and I am now working for an internet retail company, koodos, which I absolutely love, but I definitely think it has been harder for graduates from last year and it will be this year, too. I have heard from friends who are trying to get into lots of different industries that it is really hard this year. Lots of students from my year also seem to be doing other courses to make themselves more competitive because it is so difficult to get jobs."

FACT BOX

GRADUATES can expect to owe an average of £13,000 by the end of their degrees – up by a third on last year's estimate – because of the rising costs of heating, rent and food, a recent survey claimed.

English students, who pay tuition fees, were predicted to graduate with an average of more than £17,500 of debt.

Research from the Bank of Scotland earlier this year revealed two-thirds of students already had jobs to support them through their studies.

On average, students in Scotland and Northern Ireland worked the longest hours – eight hours a week while 9 per cent of Scots worked more than 21 hours a week. And a study revealed students in Scotland were more likely to have credit cards than others in the UK.

Credit cards are most popular among students north of the Border, with 44 per cent of people studying there having one, followed by 41 per cent in London. The average debt on the cards is nearly £220.




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1

Darien,

Panama 12/01/2009 00:28:27
Anyone for a degree in financial services? No?

Well how about retail marketing then?
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 00:46:26


Maybe this will be my chance to make fortune's!

A new book maybe?

"How to Survive in a Cardboard Box, with NO Money"

"How to find waste food, so you may Survive, with NO Money"

"How to become a, Wealthy Beggar"

"How to find Money, in the Streets"

Hmmm, yes this may be a good year for me afterall! :))


3

Brian Hill,

12/01/2009 01:28:57
This is a UK problem and one suspects world problem during this tsunami of an economic crisis.

Figures for England last week showed hundreds of thousands of graduates in all fields struggling to find work.
4

Forward not Back,

12/01/2009 01:54:37
Don't worry, Gordon will save you. He'll make up some nonsensical public sector jobs and print money for you to be paid. Problem solved!
5

W Smith,

Middle East 12/01/2009 02:08:15
Take your pick.

1) Gordon's solution is to borrow billions and if that doesn't work - just print more money.

2) Salmonds solution is read more Rabbie Burns poems - like this will help to pay the mortgage if you lose your job.

Surrounded by nutcase politicians there is no escape!
6

W Smith,

Middle East 12/01/2009 02:09:38
Take your pick.

1) Gordon's solution is to borrow billions and if that doesn't work - just print more money.

2) Salmonds solution is read more Rabbie Burns poems - like this will help to pay the mortgage if you lose your job.

Surrounded by nutcase politicians there is no escape!
7

W Smith,

Middle East 12/01/2009 02:09:38
Take your pick.

1) Gordon's solution is to borrow billions and if that doesn't work - just print more money.

2) Salmonds solution is read more Rabbie Burns poems - like this will help to pay the mortgage if you lose your job.

Surrounded by nutcase politicians there is no escape!
8

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 12/01/2009 02:55:33
No more boom and bust.

Thanks Gordon.
9

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 12/01/2009 06:45:12
Is there ever Anything positive from this paper. It is all unionist doom and gloom. Oh please roll on REFERENDUM DAY. When Scotland will be attending the Olympic Games in her own right. However england, will not be there, she will be part of something called gb. Or is that Gordon BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10

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John Cameron,

St Andrews 12/01/2009 07:23:32
Well, the bright side is that school leavers now have a clear sight of the real world. Do they want to spend four years running up tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt gaining a rubbish degree from a rubbish "university" in a rubbish subject? Or do they want to prepare themselves for the job market?
12

DGR,

Coolangatta 12/01/2009 07:28:05
The answer is to bulid more toilet blocks for them to manage, or better still cut out the worthless courses and concentrate on what the country needs.
13

carrottop,

Dumfries 12/01/2009 08:19:51
Every picture tells a story!
Where are all the male graduates, seems the same as Dumfries where university and graduating seems to be only a woman's thing.
Equal rights for men!
14

drunken proffet,

Tassy 12/01/2009 08:40:41
I remember back in the good old days, the 1970's, if you had an honours degree in economics you were just about guaranteed a job as a van driver. It is all relative, those guys who worked as van drivers most likely finished up as the high heid yins in the HBOS and are now looking for jobs as van drivers. That is life. A few years down the track, things will get bright and rosy again. Have some thought about the poor bandits who never made the effort in the first place.
15

James, Edinburgh,

12/01/2009 08:41:13
Doesn't this just emphasise what so many of us have known for so long, that this rush for further education has starved the country of good tradesmen. Ditch taking the degrees in history and moral phil. which you hope will lead to a job in advertising(?) and go to a tech. and learn how to plumb, join and paint - then get into the real world and make a fortune. Mind you, having done that, you will probably want to send your children to a good fee paying school, so that they can get an education which wil prevent them for gettng their hands dirty.
16

Alexander,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 09:13:01
Another Labour chicken come home to roost! Go to university and increase your lifetime earnings by £400,000 was the story. More recently that has become £100,000 and falling. Far better for many to start earning at sixteen, become a plumber or some other useful tradesperson rather than follow some Mickey Mouse course in media studies or similar and "graduate" with a useless degree and £15,000 of debt.
17

Toast,

12/01/2009 09:18:11
With a degree in the history of art who would employ them,this lies with Blair/browns obsession with "everybody going to university" a large percentage of students would have been far happier getting a trade but B&B have stigmatised any form of trade training ,so instead we study the history of art and spent a unproductive and unachieving life working in an office,totally over qualified,thanks labour.
18

bumpkin,

12/01/2009 09:37:01
On the contrary, this will actually accelerate recovery, as "real" industries will benefit from an influx of cheaper, educated staff.
Paper pushing in finance is no different to gambling at the casino, with other peoples money.
These graduates may appreciate their employers a bit more.
19

Alexander,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 09:42:14
It wouldn't be so bad if useless history graduates had learned even a bit of local history properly. Gordon Brown obviously learned nothing from Adam Smith.
20

BorderLineScottish,

12/01/2009 09:57:16
#9 Scotindy, Los Angeles
Why drag up the old Unionist/Nat conflict? Nobody else has. Why do do people like you always roll out the same tired old line on every topic.

Please tell us all how, if Scotland was independent, these graduates would be better off and WTF has the Olympic Games got to do with this article?

Typical dross from yet another Nationalist who doesn't even live in the 'Homeland'!

The sad fact is, there are too many university students, too many 'Polytechnics turned University' and too many meaningless courses.
21

JimC,

Kilmarnock 12/01/2009 10:06:37
O dear the poor darlings, they could always get a job on the new M77 extension, but don't worry, our nice Mr.James Purnell has it all worked out in the new welfare reform bill. You idle lot wont be idle for long.
22

wilfredthehairy,

Ivory Tower 12/01/2009 10:30:01
The is a lop-sided recession. The Engineering sector is still recruiting in large numbers and can't get enough new graduates. (#14 - That's where all the boys are, though many girls are coming through now as well.) Starting salaries vary from £25,000 to £45,000. School careers advisers would do well to note this.

The financial system can only borrow from Peter to pay Paul. The long term future for the economy and the planet is to make ourselves more efficient and less dependant on oil. Engineers will provide that solution.
23

Teofilio Cubillas,

12/01/2009 10:47:01
Provide full grants for those degrees deemed to be economically valuable - engineering, maths, medicine etc. To prevent them then disappearing off to the States or Australia tie them into working in the country for ten years or be contractually obliged to repay the grant. Stop creating Mickey Mouse degrees that put thousands in debt and exist only to boost the unemployment figures.
24

Jeanseb,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 11:11:09
#17:
haha so true!
Having a Master Degree, I can tell that it's better money to have worked from 16-17 and have like 6-8 years of experience rather than going out of studies at 22-25 something and have debts and no experience!

We should value a bit more the "skilled professions", and maybe we will have less problems finding a plumber!

:P
25

Steve McGregor,

Dundee 12/01/2009 11:43:22
We then don't need graduates anymore. Close down Edinburgh and Glasgow Universities for good. That will save us a lot of money invested in them, the money used for researches, paying lecturers and other staffs.
26

LyonHearts,

le teil 12/01/2009 11:53:14
This is an appalling situation! I've have two children 16 & 18 and God only knows what the future holds for them!

"Let the market decide" they said back in the 80's! Look what laissez-faire has led to. I think all those who became rich in the 80's & 90's through greed should be held to account somehow. The miserable grab all generation who thought of no-one but themselves have left us all in a right mess!

27

Peekay,

12/01/2009 12:08:53
#18 - Apparently the army, navy and air force are only too happy to employ a graduate with a degree in History of Art. And once his gran and dad pop their cloggs, we are going to employ him as our king.
28

LyonHearts,

le teil 12/01/2009 12:50:03
#29 Are you suggesting that the financial crisis is the fault of the Labour party?
Bankers ( ryhming slang)financiers, city traders and the Tory party more like?
29

StoneRoses,

Ardross 12/01/2009 12:53:58
Plently decent paid work in the Oil Industry for people willing to look for it, graft and get their hands a little bit dirty particularly in the first yr or two, and after a few yrs of experience the world's ur oyster; there will always be drilling for oil some where. Schools should be informing and pushing certain pupils to this huge industry right on their door step; in retrospect it amazes me that it was never mentioned, let alone pushed in my school in the Highlands, where bright kids have and continue to wandered away south for work.
30

spiky norman,

affluent south 12/01/2009 13:58:15
Oh dear what a shame for those unfortunate students,all we need is a prime minister to rebuild an economy where people use their hands for a change,shipbuilding,manufacturing instead of doing waste of life degrees.
31

just-whatever-eh,

DR/F1/MO2 12/01/2009 14:06:37
- Jonathan Eastgate can't get a job because he has a 2:2 and the minimum for most graduate schemes is a 2:1.


- If Oliver-Lash Williams wanted to be a lawyer, why didn't he choose a law degree instead of studying history. That's his problem that he can't get on a law course now, because he picked the wrong degree in the first place.


- Nicola Grylls wanted to get on the large graduate schemes. Sorry, as your degree is in history, I'm not aware of any museums which run large graduate schemes.


So what she decided to do was to go into advertising and marketing, and is potentially doing that for an internet company. At the same time, she is depriving some graduate in marketing the chance to pursue a career in marketing, because the marketing student certainly can't get a job in history.


30,000 of the 74,000 graduates find employment, so technically 44,000 are unemployed, travel do further study every year anyway. So what harm will an additional ??,000 do?


I agree with the points people make above about being pushed at school into University. There was never anyone from the police or fire brigade or tradesmen that came into say this is a great career. So most of the schoolkids go to uni with high hopes of a big money career and most end up with just the certificate.


I graduated in 2006, with a 2:1 from a "reputable" Uni in Edinburgh (not Napier) and I spent 6 months unemployed, then working in temp jobs. Since then I worked in a call centre for 18 months. I tried ridiculously hard to get on the graduate schemes, going to assessment centres and everything and then gave up. Graduate schemes are not a guarantee!


Ironically, I've recently gone back to Uni!
32

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 12/01/2009 14:23:38
Why spend years studying when you can buy a degree off the Net for pennies then walk into a dream job.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 12/01/2009 14:33:20
Let me rephrase that...

Why spend years studying when you can buy a degree off the Net for pennies then end up in a call centre with hundreds of other faceless graduates asking for name address and postcodes for identification purposes before being made redundant because the company is moving it's operations to India...
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Libertarian!,

12/01/2009 16:00:26
It saddens me to see how so many of our young people were deluded into believing that Blair and Brown's New Labour Party's so-called 'brain wave' of upgrading Polytechnics into universities was a mere gimmick and was only intended to remove many off our rapidly growing numbers of the young unemployed off our streets.
New Labour invented micky mouse university subjects that were worthless in EVER enabling young people to have a worthwhile future and most of the young would finish up on minimum wage occupations - if available -
or join the ranks of the of the ever increasing numbers of unemployed.
36

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/01/2009 17:42:32
Never since some poor jew named jesus was asked by gaul if he fancied a game "laCross" have people been so gullible as the modern youth.

Think about it, the government think of a way to bring down the jobless total, that is about as useful as national service, ... except the youth pay the government to particpate.

Ace!
37

Fraochale,

US 12/01/2009 19:24:30
At least your system doesn't create staggering debt for your graduates. My daughter here in the states despite financial help from US/ her family, and scholarships graduated a year ago with her master's degree and is $54,000 in debt in school loans. Sadly if she hadn't gone to graduate school where most of this debt was incured she woudn't have had a chance at her current employment. I can't imagine having that kind of debt and not be able to find a job, let alone one in the field I had trained for. This is a work problem.
38

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 12/01/2009 21:12:18
Plenty of vacancies in the Armed Forces and the pay is not too bad either. As long as you don't mind being referred to as Taffy, Paddy, Jock, or any other term of endearment. In fact soldiers used to be known as Tommies once upon a time. Nothing racial about that
39

danbob,

12/01/2009 21:55:56
What uni. students should bear in mind now is the fact that student loans cannot be disolved by bankruptcy should they become unemployed and seriously in debt. I am glad I went to uni. in the early eighties because there is no way I would saddle myself with that burden.
40

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/01/2009 21:56:40
The most sensible thing for Gordon Brown to do is to get banks lending to businesses again and thus keep their liquidity and avoid having to pay people off.

The whole headline seems to be back to front. Having created the calamitous economic situation Gordon decrees that the way forward is the way back to throwing more money at the problems and creating many more non-jobs, probably in the public sector which do not create wealth. How are firms going to pay for the rest of the graduates' salary when they cannot employ people right now because their cash flow is sunk? "Golden Hello" - to what? Sitting on your hands?

There is also the relevance factor - many who have just graduated or about to with degrees in history of art or social science or geography may not find employers queuing up for their skills. What is wrong with getting people to study real subjects and real skills for the workplace? Especially in engineering and science where, sadly, schools are currently failing students and numeracy skills are looked down on in a kind of inversion of real life!

Not a day passes but Broon comes out with yet another "initiative" which inevitably will cost the hard-pressed taxpayer and real economy more. The banks who in large measure and on his watch screwed things up should be forced to lend on pain of closure or loss of bonuses whichever hurts hardest.
41

Robert12,

12/01/2009 22:14:24
Some folk are just plain thick. Studying History but hoping to get a job in Marketing? I'd love to hear this girl explain that one in an interview. Does she even know what area of marketing she wants to be in or does she think it's all sitting around the office messing around on Macs and then cocktail lunches?

The idea to give support to sciences and reputable courses is a good one.
42

danbob,

12/01/2009 22:23:27
Robert12# Shes now got a job in retail marketing so the story says. But dont worry because her job will probably soon be History, so she can study that.
43

bumpkin,

12/01/2009 22:24:33
if brown really wanted to get people into jobs, he would cut national insurance.
44

Jimmy Twoshoes,

12/01/2009 22:28:44
Speaking of plain thick, #47 have you heard the term transferrable skills?

You are of the opinion that the decision one makes when 16 or 17 should then dictate the choices available later? I'd suggest that's a rather narrow minded view.

Similarly, 4 years studying can be replaced by 2 years or less on a structured graduate programme. That's the whole point.

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Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 23:31:53
Oh hi #12 how are you today?

Fine number #48 just fine, except of course for my inexplicable juvenile angst. There's no tram story to take it out on either, what am I going to do?!

It's cool it's cool, I've decided to hope that a young woman loses her job and make comments on the EEN board to that affect, having not been at the interviews I know she din't deserve it anyway. Made me feel much better, a bigger man too.
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Ewan Oosami,

13/01/2009 16:39:00
#19 don't confuse education with going to university. The universities should stop crying in their coffee about not having enough funding, they should get rid of the useless career acedemics who shy away from proper jobs for the cushy professorships in silly subjects which are no use to any employer. We need graduates in maths, Physics, chemistry, engineering, computers etc not golf course management and sociology subjects.
Much better for the countrys future if most schooleavers went on to technical colleges where decent trades are taught, they would then be assured of work and that in turn would obviate the need for all these blasted immigrants.
I personally would never employ a graduate in preference to someone who had a decent education and could do the job - a graduate is someone who has learned the answers to a specific set of questions asked during finals, it doesn't mean they are brainy or educated.
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joffy,

london 07/02/2009 17:30:47
graduating sure was a relief, but there was still much I didnt know about working in a professional office environment. I wish i had know about this:

graduatedevelopmentprogram (dot) com

it wouldve saved me much heartache and i wouldve progressed from a graduate job to a fast tracked career much faster! i guess you live and learn...:-)



hope that helps....

 

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