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Published Date: 05 February 2009
AS MANY as 38,000 alien civilisations could exist in our galaxy, all with the potential to make contact with Earth, scientists have claimed.
Scottish researchers have predicted there are likely to be at least 361 inhabited planets in the Milky Way, but say there could be more than 100 times that number.

And they say humans are likely to start detecting alien civilisations within the ne
xt few hundred years.

However, rather than resembling little green men or characters from science fiction movies, the aliens could be completely unrecognisable to us, according to the scientists behind the research.

Duncan Forgan, from the University of Edinburgh, who led the study, said: "I don't think it's quite like Star Trek, where they all look like human beings and have pointy ears."

Instead he said they might be so different to us that we may be unable to communicate with them.

And despite having the intelligence to reach out to our planet, they are likely to be so far away it would take them 30,000 years to make contact, he said.

However, he added: "It's still entirely possible we end up getting a TV broadcast from somewhere else."

Mr Forgan said: "Most of the other planets we have looked at are older than our own – so I would expect to see more advanced civilisations than ours existing.

"But that makes us ask why we have not already seen them – although some would say we have."

The scientists built a computer model of the galaxy and used certain criteria to decide whether life was likely on the planets within it.

They came up with a number of likely civilisations that ranged from 361 to 37,964, depending on the criteria used.

One factor taken into account was the distance of a planet from its star. When this is just right for life to be sustained, such as the distance of the Earth from the sun, the planet is said to be within the "Goldilocks zone".

Other criteria included the likelihood of life surviving long enough to develop into an intelligent civilisation, which the researchers defined as creatures that are biologically complex and potentially able to communicate with life on other planets.

However, Professor Keith Horne, an astronomer from the University of St Andrews, said the scientists had underestimated the "uncertainties" involved in that type of prediction.

"It's interesting to speculate but that's what it remains – speculation," he said.

"It's more likely the number is lower rather than higher.

"If they are widespread it's likely they are more advanced than we are and, if so, we would have better evidence for them than we do."

The study, funded by the Science and Technology Facilities Council and Scottish Universities Physics Alliance, is published in the International Journal of Astrobiology.

IN NUMBERS

13.2 billion - Age of the galaxy, in years.

100,000 - The width of the Milky Way, in light years.

400 billion - Estimated number of stars in the Milky Way.

38,000 - Edinburgh scientists' estimate of the number of civilisations in the galaxy

1 - Number of planets where life has been proved to exist – Earth.

0.000003 - Percentage of the Milky Way that is visible to the naked eye from Earth.

250 million billion - Distance you would have to travel from Earth to get to the black hole at the centre of the galaxy, in kilometres.





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  • Last Updated: 04 February 2009 10:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: UFOs
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/02/2009 00:35:38
What a load of complete tosh and *uckwittery. These "scientists" are completely making this up - it must be a slow news day.

But this is a bloody scandal - "The study, funded by the Science and Technology Facilities Council and Scottish Universities Physics Alliance."
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05/02/2009 00:56:38
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05/02/2009 00:57:20
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 05/02/2009 04:51:59
If there are 38,000 civilizations - WHERE ARE THEY??

Big Black Hole is this theory is that all the civilizations appear to have started out at the same time. But we know that the Sun is probably 3rd, even 4th generation Stellar material, some of it having being used in other stars before forming into our own.

If there is life out there (and I don't believe there is), the ages of the civilizations must be spread over least a billion years. "Civilization" on Earth, if that's what you call it, has been around for 10,000 according to scientists, a mere 0.001% of 1 Billion years.

Where are the civilizations that are a 1000 years, 10,000 years, 1,000,000 years, 100,000,000 years ahead of us. Or is Mankind so much in love with itself that it thinks it's the first?? Reminds me of that saying "I'm so far behind, I think I'm first".

I agree with #1, it's a bit like Evolution, some Scientists are just making things up.
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St Caledonia,

05/02/2009 05:27:48
For Scotland's Future #4

I know what you mean - If there are 38 000 civilisations, then where are they? Like, if there is a god, where is it?

The above story is not suggesting there are 38 000, it is suggesting that its probable. You might say then that god could be probable. Well not exactly, we have never seen a god, we have no idea what heaven is and our GPS navigators cannot take us there, but we do know what a planet is, we do know what a solar system is and what gasses are required to sustain one - We also know that the universe is infinite and that the same gasses that exist in our galaxy exist in others, therefore, the chances that there are similar solar systems is not difficult to digest. It's almost a case of THEY MUST EXIST - because we exist! I imagine the 38 000 comes from the size of our solar system by comparison to the space we know about. They would have devised a formula to calculate the probability
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 05/02/2009 05:45:31
Where do they obtain such exact figures? This is the same as Al Gore's Cargo Cult Science speculation that a process as complicated as climate change is driven by industrial carbon.
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donald,

glasgow 05/02/2009 05:53:07
There are lots of wee green men aroon the Calton and the Barras.
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Kenny A,

05/02/2009 05:57:38
7 No their in the Scottish Parliment and they realy are aliens, and not overly intelligent ones at that.
9

School Inspector,

05/02/2009 07:05:25
Good heavens ....... that is more than Glasgow has got.
10

Unimpressed one,

05/02/2009 07:45:34
Ah, computer models......
11

EdwinB,

Glasgow 05/02/2009 07:49:43
Finding one civilisation would be a start
12

aljok.23,

the world 05/02/2009 09:34:46
Are You Local?
13

Highland Mist,

05/02/2009 10:02:22
I'd like a visa to go to one of them, because there's very little intelligence left on planet earth now.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

05/02/2009 11:35:58
4. For Scotlands Future,Vote for the SNP 05/02/2009 04:51:59
'If there are 38,000 civilizations - WHERE ARE THEY??'

The're aw in Scotland, cos wance ye go ower thon Suthren border there's nae civilisation ony Dragons ;-)

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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

05/02/2009 12:00:53
5...Aye...dae ye think they aw believe in a supreme being or whit?...mibbe thon Jesus Christ hisnae come back here yit cos 'es bin too busy visitin aw they other planets bein a saviour o' aliens n'aw that...an 'es no hid the time tae dae the auld "Second Comin" cos 'es still daen the first wae the wee green men...
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fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 05/02/2009 13:00:27
"It's still entirely possible we end up getting a TV broadcast from somewhere else."

I just hope they know about PAL, SECAM, NTSC and the right frame rates to use...

If they're really advanced they'll use HD.
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Fairfax,

05/02/2009 13:30:10
For Scotland's Future (4): "If there are 38,000 civilizations - WHERE ARE THEY??"

The answer is that this estimate implies that intelligent life is rather rare, so we shouldn't expect to see any! There are roughly 400 billion stars in our galaxy, so the high estimate of 38,000 civilizations corresponds to 1 in 10 million stars hosting an intelligent species in its system. Using the statistic "0.000003 - Percentage of the Milky Way that is visible to the naked eye from Earth.", we conclude that the naked eye sees roughly 1.2 million stars. Since the high estimate corresponds to 1 in 10 million, we should expect to see no other systems containing intelligent life (at least with the naked eye).
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Montford's Jaicket,

05/02/2009 15:55:14
#21 - it's daytime here and I can't see any stars at all, plus it's often cloudy here in Scotland and some of us are short-sighted. Have they factored that into the calculations?
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Ewan Oosami,

05/02/2009 17:48:34
Is there even intelligent life on Earth? Not from what I've seen there ain't!
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ThePeter,

Glasgae 05/02/2009 18:05:22
There are certainly no intelligent civilizations around our sun?

How can there be? we always elect bozo's to represent us, no matter if left or right or even worse Lib democrats....
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ThePeter,

Glasgae 05/02/2009 18:05:58
My useless grammer is also proof of my statement
24

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/02/2009 18:19:14
The actual number is 37,803.
25

Ewan Oosami,

05/02/2009 18:33:37
#26 Yeh Right!
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Ewan Oosami,

05/02/2009 18:41:20
#7 and uranus Donald LOL
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/02/2009 20:28:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALKSCCea_Gw

Labour (Scotand) party political broadcast from the panet known to us as cta102. Apparently it was written & approved in another country on the same planet (geographically speaking, of course),
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/02/2009 21:47:43
"The earlier concept of a universe made up of physical particles interacting according to fixed laws is no longer tenable. It is implicit in present findings that action rather than matter is basic. . . This is good news, for it is no longer appropriate to think of the universe as a gradually subsiding agitation of billiard balls. The universe, far from being a desert of inert particles, is a theatre of increasingly complex organization, a stage for development in which man has a definite place, without any upper limit to his evolution."

-- Arthur M. Young
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Kipling,

03/03/2009 09:54:44
And what becomes of the theory of evolution? If life and species developed because of survival in particular circumstances, what likelihood that these specific circumstances in the order in which they took place happened elsewhere in the universe. Is that factored in?
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Proximaking,

Dundee 14/03/2009 15:06:26
There's not a soul there it's only us I'm afraid. I've looked everywhere and only a slight twist to get back here.

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/01/06/crackpot-or-genius-has-a-shell-boffin-stumbled-on-a-scientific-breakthrough/

Infinity is surprisingly big, so big you haven't got a hope in hell of finding another way except this one.

 

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