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Published Date: 17 June 2008
IT'S A familiar scene on street corners across Scotland – gangs of drunken youths fuelled with cheap drink from their local off-licence.
With booze like White Lightning cider widely available for as little as 35p a can, even young children can afford to get dangerously drunk for under a fiver.

All-day drinking in the park or the high street is almost a rite of passage in Britain's
binge-drinking culture, which sees some teenagers consume around 200 units of alcohol in a week– nearly ten times the adult male's safe limit.

Little wonder, then, that politicians are calling for radical changes to our licensing laws. Today, the SNP government is expected to outline plans to ban under-21s from buying alcohol at supermarkets and off-licences – a radical move that would introduce a separate age limit for bars and off-trade.

It would also place Scotland at odds with the rest of the UK – Labour says it has no plans for a similar change in England.

Retailers have said this will send out "mixed messages" on the issue of responsible drinking.

"They are saying young people can't be trusted to buy alcohol from off-licences or supermarkets," said Fiona Moriarty, director of the Scottish Retail Consortium (SRC).

"You can stop off for a glass of wine in the pub, but you can't pick up a six-pack of beer. If you're 18 you're allowed to go to war and go to the pub for a drink be able to go to the off-licence to buy alcohol. It seems ridiculous."

While the perception is that young people are buying cheap drink over the counter from irresponsible retailers, Ms Moriarty is convinced that some of the blame lies a lot closer to home.

"The government should be looking at 'proxy purchase'. Young people are using friends, colleagues or parents to buy (alcohol) for them. By raising the age up to 21 we will not get rid of that.

"It's about individual responsibility and families taking responsibility for their young people. Is it appropriate for parents to buy alcohol for their children?"

With cut-price alcopops cheaper to buy than a bottle of mineral water, it is no surprise that the number of hospital admissions due to alcohol has soared in recent years. A record number of Scots suffering from drink problems are being treated in hospital – costing the NHS more than £115 million a year.

Patients with alcohol-related conditions are taking up an extra 8,000 bed days compared with three years ago and NHS figures show 10 per cent of A&E admissions are linked to alcohol, with more than 100 children admitted to casualty departments every week due to drink.

The problem was keenly illustrated in February when a senior police officer hit out at the drinks industry for selling beer "cheaper than water" and leaving hospitals to foot the bill.

Ken Jones, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, accused drinks companies of "marketing alcohol to children" and making profits "on the back of misery".

He lambasted parents who are responsible for supplying their young charges with alcohol and warned it was time for Britain to "wake up" to the reality of a binge-drinking epidemic.

"Why is it we have got ourselves into a position where lager is being sold cheaper than water?" asked the former chief constable of Sussex police.



A recent report on binge drinking, commissioned by Positive Futures, found that 52 per cent of young people said they got alcohol from their local corner shop, off-licence or, in a smaller number of instances, their local supermarket. In 16 per cent of these cases young people would wait outside the shop and their friends or neighbours would buy alcohol for them. Young people even resorted to approaching strangers in the street to buy their alcohol, and a staggering 22 per cent obtained alcohol at home from their parents or other family members.

There is growing concern about the impact of discount sales in supermarkets and "two-for-one" offers which encourage youngsters to get drunk on cheap booze before going out to pubs and clubs. Figures for 2006 show that alcohol was 65 per cent more affordable in the UK than it was in 1980, and with Lambrusco for £2.65, alcohol is well within the reach of ordinary teenagers.

The government's announcement comes in the wake of a pilot project in which three Scottish towns banned all off-licence sale of alcohol to under-21s. The change is expected to be rolled out across Scotland as part of an alcohol action plan, which could also include minimum prices for alcohol and a crackdown on discount offers.

"There are many countries around the world where drinking is analogous to Scotland," says Ken Barrie, senior lecturer in alcohol and drugs studies at the University of the West of Scotland. "There are more concerns about drunkenness in Spain. It's a bit alien to them but it is starting to appear.

"People are drinking to get drunk and Scotland is not unique in that."

But for him, raising the age to 21 for alcohol consumption is not the answer. "In this country, we already have a benchmark for purchasing alcohol.

"You need more rigorous enforcement of what we've got, instead of increasing the age limit to 21. That would simply criminalise a large proportion of young people.

"In a culture where alcohol is the main drug, where it is heavily promoted, it's a bit nonsensical to say you can't buy it until you're 21.

"They can have every other aspect of adulthood – they can buy cigarettes, have sex and go to war, so to deprive them of alcohol seems a bit odd."





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  • Last Updated: 16 June 2008 10:15 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Resolutions,

17/06/2008 00:43:28
The stuff is far too cheap and far too easily got!

Enforce the law; be firm on drunk and disorderly behaviour for all ages; increase prices.
2

Conan the Librarian™,

17/06/2008 00:48:50
Jeez-there are vending machines selling beer in Europe!
Where a lot of these "kids" will be stationed.
SNP. DO NOT DO THIS.
The problems of our feral youth seem to splash over into normal Scots people.
The legislation that Joke McConnell got through about wee @rseholes wielding fake samurai swords, has totally changed our culture.
Wearing skean dhus's in your sock is now illegal.
Wearing dirks or claymores at your wedding ditto.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 01:02:57


Excuse Me! are we all totally in the Land Of Noddy!,?

It DONT MATTER what you enforce, it will only be all Absolute Rubbish!

Teens (and I know I would if a Teen) Will get their Booze, no-matter what Laws you enforce!

Back to,.. 'Playschool' the lot of you!
4

Edward,

17/06/2008 01:07:45
The price of drink has absolutely nothing to do with the current problems in Scotland. Its entirely to do with atitudes and social behavior
If we compare with other countries in Europe, especially in France, Italy, Spain and Portugal, where drink is a lot cheaper and readily available. They dont have the same unsocial behavior by underage drinkers. This is what should be looked at. By increasing the age limit or increasing the price of drink is only chipping at the problem and will not cure it!
If anything is to change it should be a ban on Alcopop drinks, which has always been a cynical ploy by the UK drinks industry to attract young drinkers. Alcopops is something rarely seen on the continent. There has to be more educational awareness. Parents have to be held to account, after all they are responsible for their children. Councils have to get more pro-active in providing amentities for kids. The usual excuse for kids is they are bored, theres nothing to do, so they hang about and drink. Well provide something so there not bored. The Scottish Government should be looking at how things are done in France, Spain and Portugal as well as what happens in the US and Canada. The later two countries dont have kids hanging about drinking as each town and community have total involvment in sports activities (usually baseball)
This is the only way Scotland is going to deal with underage drinking
5

Mr A Roy,

17/06/2008 01:43:03
Once again legislation being to used to solve a problem caused by the nanny state.
Tell me not to do something and i know i will do it all the more.
For gods sake let parents be parents and butt out.
I'll say it again education i believe is the answer.
1000 bad laws make the important laws useless
6

Guga II,

Rockall 17/06/2008 02:51:14
This stupid legislation is being pushed by that well known drunken footbal hooligan, Kenny MacAskill. The man is a total waste of space.

Heavy drinking by young people is not exclusive to Scotland. It happens in England, Australia and many other countries.

We don't need more control freak legislation from a waste of space who obviously cannot get rid of his Labour Party Stalinist roots. What we do need is for exisitng legislation to be properly and thoroughly enforced.

7

Lanna,

17/06/2008 03:52:55
#7 good question

Parents need to be held accountable, given parenting classes, and there needs to be more after school sports etc activities.

The mindset needs to be changed; difficult but not impossible. Alcohol abuse is merely a symptom to a deeper problem; the smoke not the fire.
8

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/06/2008 04:58:22
It may not be a popular decision (especially for teenagers)to raise the age for off license purchases but you have to say that at least the government is trying to find some solution to Scotlands biggest social problem.

If the law had been more rigourously enforced in the past and we didn't have such permissive parenting as the norm then things may have not gotten so out of hand.

This is only one of many steps that need to be enforced. There should be a complete ban on consuming alchol outside of licensed premises and peoples homes. Anyone caught should be charged. It will at least drive the binge drinking youth indoors so they are their parents problem and not a public nuisance for everyone else. So if Mom and Dad want to feed you alchol till your staggering and vomiting thats ok, its their carpet.
9

galwegian,

Far`East 17/06/2008 05:40:59
Responsibility for the behaviour of children should rest with their parents. If under age children are making a nuisance of themselves through alcohol abuse then they should be brought to book - and their parents should be brought to book with them and be held responsible for the actions of their children.
10

an interested party,

17/06/2008 06:19:47
Scottish NANNY (state) party

if we have a problem with under-age drinking then why on earth increase the number of possible under-age drinkers

oh but they wont be under-age?!!?!?

fed up with this reporting method

2 millions fly's cant be wrong

they cant you know its sh1t they are eating!

11

Isonomia,

Lenzie 17/06/2008 06:55:53
If you build a society based around the adult car driver, and then you tell children to be petrified of adults by "stranger danger" and you make parents so paranoid that they won't let their children out without supervision (because some girl is abducted 2000 miles away) what do we expect.

If you create a society where teachers are afraid to have sandpits in school, won't let children out when it snows and want a permission slip for kids going up to the academy to walk the 100m between schools don't you think children are going to look for a little bit more excitement than they are being allowed?

Sooner or later these PS2 generation kids will grow up and face the choice: be a kid in their parent's car and be part of our society, or get out of the car, go into the cold wet park where there is nothing to do except drink and if it is warm enough have sex.

The more we try to ban young adults from having fun, the more we exclude them from adult society, the more we try to make them paranoid of other adults, the more they will reject the stupid laws and the stupid society which rejects them.
12

Hugo of Garven,

17/06/2008 07:23:18
" . . a pilot project in which three Scottish towns banned all off-licence sale of alcohol to under-21s."

This action seems to have been effective so let it be tried on a larger scale. It might work, or it might not.

However, it shows the Govt recognises there is a problem and is trying to do something about it.
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 07:36:40
bring them on ~7

"Why do the kids drink so much?"

This IS the Point, They DONT!

More like, select the 'Few' to represent the 'Many'
_________________________

"Has the government gone beyond the limit?"

TO Dammed Right They Have!
14

an interested party,

17/06/2008 07:53:32
14

they pilot merely moved the problem on, not in my back yard. unless they banned people from using buses the problem will just move to the next town, village , country

solve the problem at source
of course that requires finding out what the problem is

oh but that takes effort

ban it
15

jdships,

17/06/2008 08:08:30

6,7,12, make good points which are worth considering .
Anybody hazard a guess at what percentage of "under age" children actually take to the streets weekends/nights and drink ?
Where I live ,yes, we have groups of youngsters hanging about street corners but can't say have noticed that many drinking booze.

Are we not in danger of " punishing the many because of a few " ?
Will pubs and clubs be banned from selling "carry outs" to under 21's ?

"Prohibition" did not work in USA why should it work here ?

16

sam the god,

17/06/2008 08:21:00
So the government want to bring in a 2 tier drink system 18 for pubs and 21 for off sales that is not the root of the problem it stems back to the abolition of corporal punishment. The wee darlings think that they can get away with anything thanks to the PC brigade, in the old days if you got out of hand you would be punished this helped with discipline and helped you respect others.
Also the other part of this proposed legislation is that the minimum price of alcohol will rise (£0.40 per unit) which on most drinks will add about 50% to the cost for everyone whether they are troublemakers or not the only real winners out of this scheme will be you are paying more tax to the government.
17

bluehead,

edinburgh 17/06/2008 08:25:08
the price has nothing to do with this problem if it is that bad they will simply break into bigger and better houses to get the money, just like the drug addicts do.
also if they are stopped buying booze un till they are twenty one,then they should not be allowed to dodge
bullets and bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan,perhaps the politicians might go instead they would find it most enlightening
18

Boy Wonder,

17/06/2008 08:38:58
Personally I blame the media and businesses, who treat kids as "customers" with full adult rights for them growing up so quick today. Look at fashion and music to start with. They encourage teenage rebellion. We all went through that phase, but the insidious invasiveness of these two businesses in particular, actively ancourage rebellion from an even earlier age. That's why many kids seek out booze ... not because they have problems to drown ... but, like cigarettes, it's part of the grown-up world they feel they should be part of.

You forget that childhood is only a very small part of our lives and it has been romanticised and fantasised. Then it went through as phase of being glamourised ... and now it's being seen as problematic.

Frankly I blame the way the age of majority has been fractured into various ages for different reasons. You can marry at sixteen and be responsible for kids, but you can't drink, gamble, drive or vote! That's just crazy! No wonder kids are confused! It should be ONE age of majority for everything ... and 16 sounds about right to me! Your childhood is over by age 12-13 and your into young adulthood after that. Those years should be about training kids to take on the role of responsibility. But as usual, politicians have interfered to such an extent that no-one knows what they should do.

Our society is a mess and needs fixing. But I wouldn't trust ANY politician to be the one to sort things out!




19

an interested party,

17/06/2008 08:50:00
liking that 19 (bluehead)
cant die for the country till your old enough to drink

saying that when i was a squadie they let us in the nafi to drink when i was 16 3/4, damn good place to learn to drink the forces and just when you thought you had it mastered it was of to germany to get beer at 30p a pint (90p in uk at the time)
20

Graeme,

Guangzhou 17/06/2008 08:50:31
Gaga, #6

Actually wee man its you that is the total waste of space sitting behind that computer 24 hours a day.

I’m just back in town from a few days away and I find you still spouting off on the same old broken record tosh. It never ends and I notice a number of others on the other threads have joined me in wishing you would take your mostly racist nonsense away.

Face it wee man. You do nothing of any good or use. Unlike the mass majority of the people you attack. As I said before and I guessed correctly, no surprise that you also hide behind a beard. It’s a small man syndrome.


21

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/06/2008 09:09:57
#4 Edward

You are entirely wrong. Many European countries such as Italy, France and Germany are experiencing problems with unsocial behaviour from underage drinkers. It seems to be a widespread problem that is, admittedly worse in the UK.
22

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/06/2008 09:14:20
This has to be a move in the right direction, but it must be enforced more effectively than before. It will take time to change attitudes to drink in Scotland. Labour have allowed this culture to grow during their failed 50 years in charge of the country and it will not be reversed overnight.
23

boudica,

Glasgow 17/06/2008 09:20:07
For 7rs we put up with ramp[aging drunken wee nyaffs and when you called the Police to deal with ..Lo and behold they turned up hours later and when they were finally confronted by 1 woman she was attacked ..she defended herself and ended up being charged ..16mths later the Police come to her door asking for her by one of her middle names , she corrected them and they informed her that they were there to arrest her for a nonappearance at court as she told them that she had recieved no communications to do so and that as they had the wrong name .How could they ? they did ..she spent the night in a Police station was taken to court all the way through that proceedure she costantly told them of the error ..when she did get into court by this time a total wreck ..The PF apologised that no communications had been sent ..when she did get to court to answer the charge ..her lawyer totally ignored her wish to plead not Guilty and made a deal ..the excuse being as it was a child she shouldnt pursue it ..this left the woman in tatters and unable to deal with it ..The Child was built like a Brick shithouse and had been in previous trouble ..but was still given all the protection of the Law ..this woman was left suffering with all the shame and guilt of being made to feel guilty by those who are m,eant to hold up the Law ..so has far as she and I are concerned these Animals should be dealt with severely and so should their parents ..end of story ..
24

boudica,

Glasgow 17/06/2008 09:25:05
24 ..during those4 50yrs it has been various Tory Governments who have laid down the foundations of all this ..with their belief in the " Freedom of Expression " policies for Kids ...the Me, Me . Me brigrade started all this mince ..and it is time to put it to a stop
25

Popper,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 09:35:25
It's so pathetic to keep reading this lie that alcohol is cheaper than bottled water - I bought 32 litres of bottled water from a supermarket for £4.20. Will one of these prats tell me where I can get 32 litres of any alcoholic drink for less than this? The fact that some mugs will pay stupid prices for bottled water has nothing to do with the real issue.

It's the people not the drink.
26

eh1,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 09:37:13
I still get asked for ID in certain supermarkets that ask people they think look under 25 and I'm 30 this October! I don't carry Id why should I? Its embarracing when you get asked.
27

Sedov,

Scotland 17/06/2008 09:44:39
#27 popper - why do you drink bottled water, our tap water is perfectly safe to drink and is cheaper? I know because I use it in my whisky.
28

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 10:37:20
Has the government gone too far?

Most certainly yes.

They have ruined this country during the course of the past 11 years. They have ridden roughshod over our freedoms, introduced "legal" proceedures that circumvent the basic right to silence, increasingly treated everyone like idiots, introduced stealth taxes, increased duty on fuel beyond any sensible levels... Just to mention a few things.

Because of the rediculous nanny state which seeks to treat everyone like a child, coupled with sickening political correctness, people are starting to respond in kind and THAT is the reason why kids are turning to drink.

In the 1980s, the licencing laws were enforced to the spirit rather than the letter of the law. From age about 16, you could drink in a pub provided you behaved yourself. Now they enforce these laws with a rod of iron, they have driven the older kids out into parks and street corners, where instead of interacting with adults, they are interacting with younger kids and leading them astray.

It is very rarely a good thing to enforce rules in this way. To do so generates side effects and the side effects in this case are that very young kids are being exposed to drinking, as well as the older kids having no supervision or guidance when they are drinking.

Simply saying that they shouldn't be doing it because it is against the law, or blaming the parents are just more examples of the kind of head-in-the-sand chronic short-sightedness that typifies the attitude of this country nowadays.
29

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

17/06/2008 12:12:57
But there still remains the question of WHY they are drinking and behaving like they do.

When I was 15 - 16 back in the early 80's I and my peers didn't carry knives, binge drink or do drugs. What has changed in this country to push them into these very anti-social habits? They have VASTLY more freedoms than we ever had, they have all the latest gadgets / technology and still they are not satisfied with it.

It also strikes me that the majority of the problem 'kids' (ugh, hate that word!) are, sad to say, from lower or working class families.

Is it a reaction against parents not being there as they were when we were young? That is often due to the fact that in many families both parents HAVE to work to make ends meet.

Is it because there really is NOTHING for them to do? What do they have to look forward to? The way the country is going it is more and more likely that they have a 60 year working life to go through, who wants that?

I have noticed that since we 'lost' the Empirethe younger generations have become more and more disillusioned with the life they are being offered.

There are no longer 'jobs for life' There are no longer any benefits to joining the Armed Forces as youare likely to be sent somewhere that a large part of society doesn't believe we should be. So a life of adventure out in the world no longer exists.

The more rigid our society becomes the more the younger disadvantaged will kick against it.

Whilst the new Law is something I find I agree with, it cannot change the fact that something needs to be done at a 'gras-roots' level.

But What?
30

Dorian,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 12:33:27
Let them buy their booze at 16, just adopt a sliding scale of charge by age. The younger you are the more it costs. If a Half bottle of vodka costs a person of legal drinking age £10, then it should cost a 16year old £40. They can drink in the street as much as they want if they can afford it, and if unable to produce a receipt for the bottle with the correct amount according to their age, the cops can make them pay either the difference, the full price or put them to work cleaning grafitti. It would raise money for the Cops and the Shops. Daft idea, but so is this ban.
31

ebbi,

spain 17/06/2008 12:43:38
since bush can not run for presidency in united states i think we should have him as our pm.this would save us a lot of trouble.bush has been giving orders anyway so let him just continue.
32

crashtestmonkey,

London/Falkirk 17/06/2008 12:58:06
Having worked voluntarily with young offenders and young victims of violent crime, I have a fairly strong view on this topic.

Booze is not the problem. Booze is something they all have in common that they do together. It is how they bond and how they communicate. Due to a lack of parental involvement and supervision, kids are educating kids in their own environment. The 'Say No' drugs program failed. Why? Because we did not educate them to make good choices. Drink and drugs are part of growing up, they will experiment whatever we say. But they have to be taught to make good choices.

Not that long ago, there used to be 'rites of passage' from being a child to being accepted as an adult. It was the time boys became men and left the realm of children and became initiated into manhood. The end of an apprenticeship, turning 18 or the first pint in the pub with their father. Education from your elders is priceless.

This is what is lacking. Life skills being taught by grandparents, mothers, fathers, teachers. It has been replaced with TV, playstations, the internet and the only common ground kids of that age understand.

We are losing a generation to our own lack of interest and laziness.
33

Confused,

edinburgh 17/06/2008 13:02:37
It is always easier for the Government to balme everyone rather than target the offenders. A minority are irresponsible so everyone has to suffer. Instead of closing down premises which sell to underage drinkers or targeting the drinkers themselves it is easier to make all suffer. They have done this continually in all walks of life. A minority speed so our roads are littered with speed bumps instead of getting the dangerous drivers off the road. It's easier to control the innocent than the guilty because the innocent accept it. The guilty will carry on making our lives a misery. This suggestion by the SNP is a bad idea which will not tackle the problem only the symptoms.
34

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 13:50:49
#35:

Whilst I see what you are saying, the root cause of this problem is draconian over-enforcement of some of the laws.

When enforcing any given law, you have to consider the overall effect upon your actions. When the "18 year old" rule is enforced with a rod of iron and no-one under 18 can get served in a pub, the next logical thing for them to do is to get their 18-year-old mates to buy them drink which they then drink in, say, the local park.

This attracts the attention of even younger kids, who wouldn't normally be interested in drink. Then they ineviably get mixed up in it as well... Unsupervised, Unguided and with no-one responsible to watch over them and/or tell them when to stop.

Now, if the enforcement was not so dogmatic, the chances are the 16 year-olds would be able to have a few drinks in the pub... Under supervision, With guidance and with older people around who would see them OK and stop them going too far. Then the younger kids would not have contact with alcohol and would carry on playing football or building tree houses or whatever instead.

Yes. The latter suggestion involves people breaking the law. but the benefits of allowing that are that you don't set things up for the former to happen---which you will NOT be able to stop or control, no matter how many insane restrictions you place upon responsible adults.
35

Guga II,

Rockall 17/06/2008 14:33:53
#22 Gruamach.

I see the little dwarf is back, spouting off more garbage.

I must really get up your nose little dwarf (which I find pleasing), but that is probably because as a very little man you suffer from a little man's inferiority complex.

I am 6' in my stocking soles, and I assume you are around 5' 2". You need to grow up dwarf. Did you mammy not feed you properly when you were young, or are you just a genetic misfit?

As for your comments on my beard, maybe when you are old enough, you might be able to grow one too.

And you're still hiding in China, from the debt collectors.

36

Ileach,

17/06/2008 16:48:25
Does anyone here remember being a "young adult"? When I was 12/13 years old, I wanted to smoke and to drink, because my friends did, and because my parents said not to. When I graduated school and was taken for my first "legal" pint by my parents, I had overcome this desire to run with the pack, if you will. This will happen in Europe, where I grew up, and it happens in the US, where I still live. The age limit for buying drink here is 21 years. When my son was 18, I stood him his first beer (parents present makes it permissible). He was proud, but he went back to his milk shake that he had enjoyed the years until then. I'm sure he's snuck drinks with friends, but that's not anything new, now is it? I did it, my son did it, his son will do it - so the world goes round.
37

Lucy131,

London 17/06/2008 17:32:30
Making the age of purchase 21 or over will not solve binge drinking. The government should focus on enforcing the laws that already exist. This is another policy that will temporarily pacify those worried about alcohol related problems but will not make any impact long term. And once again, responsible drinkers are left out of the debate. Those over 18 can vote, marry, join the army but they won't be able to purchase alcohol?! It seems that the government make these decisions without listening to the voice of the majority. I have just signed up to www.responsibledrinkersalliance.co.uk and I urge you do the same if you are concerned about the voice of the moderate drinker being ignored. I think it's so important that we have a say.
38

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 18:12:37
#31:

OK, let's try to answer some of this:-

"When I was 15 - 16 back in the early 80's I and my peers didn't carry knives, binge drink or do drugs."

When I was that age, a few of us carried knives, for throwing at trees, not at each other. We soon got bored of doing so and stopped carrying them. Me and my mates had our first "proper" pint in a pub (without our parents) at about 15. We were down the pub regularly on friday nights by the time we were 16 and had jobs. We behaved ourselves because if we hadn't, that would have been it. As far as drugs were concerned, most of us weren't interested.

"What has changed in this country to push them into these very anti-social habits? They have VASTLY more freedoms than we ever had, they have all the latest gadgets / technology and still they are not satisfied with it."

That's the thing. They don't. No-one does any more. Either existing laws are enforced to the extent of brutality or new ones have been drafted to stop people breaking the law and these are also over-zealously enforced. Fair enough, they may have computers and gadgets now but that's not the be-all and end-all.

Kids are simply doing what kids do---kick up against authority. I did it, you did it, everyone did it when in one way or another when they were kids. The thing is that 20-30 years ago, breaking the law (on drinking) meant being able to get away with having a few pints in a pub. Now, because that option has effectively been totally closed off, it means drinking in parks, getting drunk, encouraging younger kids to do so as well and causing trouble. The authorites have created this problem themselves by being over-zealous. It is about time they grew up and realised what they have done.
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Greig Muir,

Aberdeen 18/06/2008 13:30:50
A Scottish Parliament e-petition has been started against the unfair and discriminatory government plans to raise the minimum age for off-sales purchase of alcohol in Scotland.

http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_petition.asp?PetitionID=251

 

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