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1

Missbehave (Princess Fiona),

15/11/2008 00:06:52
Yes that's a brilliant idea lets nationalise it.
2

The Online Scot,

... Herald refugee ... 15/11/2008 00:16:09
Hmm, scare stories used in order to persuade people to vote in a manner that you wish.

Let me see, which political party have made this their signature lately? - that'll be Labour!!

I hope the investors ignore these tactics.
3

Tris,

15/11/2008 00:28:51

Tavish, there's not much point. Brown has made up his mind. He wants to weaken Edinburgh, and Scotland so that come 2010 Scottish people will vote to stay as a county in England. He said he would do ANYTHING to avoid the break up of the union, and if that means 150,000 job losses, well, who cares? He'll be ok. He'll get a job in the City or with Lloyds when the English chuck him out, and he'll have a fat pension from being PM.

And the blame? He can put it all on the credit crunch, which he has already said was nothing whatever to do with him.

He lives in his own little world Tavish..... totally delusional.....the Norma Desmond of politics.
4

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15/11/2008 00:59:35
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 15/11/2008 01:37:29
Keeping HBOS Independent
46 Berkeley Square
London
W1J 5AT
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murren59,

Isle of Arran 15/11/2008 01:45:14
Mr.Stevenson - forget this Lord excrement - may just have a no'so'wee personal financial interest in this Lloyds thingy going through methinks.

This whole deal reeks like a pile of the Brown stuff.
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/11/2008 01:53:40

All the 'Dealings' is well-past, the ones at the top, know precisely what is going to take place, decided months ago!

This is all a 'Nonsense' and 'Publicity Stint' to win favour, don't be 'Fooled' by any off it!

We must 'Brainwash' the Mass! that is what this is all about!,....

....'END-OFF'!!!


8

antp,

15/11/2008 02:02:32
#3, well we all know where you stand then don't we? if you had your way hsbos would stay where it is would it? with no money, customers or much else in a few months time, only the twisted and enraged, bitter, resentful, angry chip on shoulder types like yourself would remain, and perhaps some chinese bankers contemplating on what might have been.
9

Warden An' All, Reborn,

15/11/2008 03:40:46
Which is better, the scare tactic, or letting things unfold as Lord Stevenson has said, and then ask why nothing had been said about what could happen?
10

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15/11/2008 05:46:10
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Angleland Isover,

15/11/2008 07:20:51
Nobody uses these tactics better than the english they have had over a thousand years to perfect it.
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15/11/2008 07:26:23
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 15/11/2008 07:54:08
Would any other investor put all this money in and sit on the sidelines ?
They are getting the money let's take control.
14

Corrennie,

15/11/2008 08:49:32
Yawn.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
15

tassiestag,

rosebery 15/11/2008 08:52:23
charles linskaill talks of brainwashing the masses.........google up charles linskaill folks and see what he realy is.
16

Black Five,

edinburgh 15/11/2008 09:21:58
I seriously think that Brown and his cronies want to ensure this Bank goes .He does not want the Nats to suceed under any circumstances.The man is dangerous.He is a threat to democracy and the people should see him for what he is.
17

Ewan Oosami,

15/11/2008 09:32:12
As this guy was at the helm when this crisis materialised I hardly think he's in a position to give anyone advice on banking - as a shareholder I will be voting against the takeover
18

TWC,

15/11/2008 09:46:51
The Board membership is a problem but the biggest problem is that Brown & Darling keep vaccillating. they need to make a decision and stick to it.
That's the problem with HBoS. They are doing one thing with HBoS and have totally different plans for the other banks.
If HBoS is worse than stated then it's a bad deal for Lloyds. I actually think that Lloyds needs HBos and this was a way originally a convenient Governent fix.
If not then the same deal should apply.

19

ARP,

Scotland 15/11/2008 09:57:15

What crazy logic leads to the conclusion that the staff will be safe if the bank remains independent? Shareholders and management have thrown them to the dogs.

20

Tynietiger,

15/11/2008 10:04:37
This is a Nu Labour conspiracy. Lord Stephenson plus Chairman of Lloyds and Unite Union leader are all close friends of Gordon Brown. Also why no enquiry into damaging leaks by the Treasury to BBC max Peston (Son of Labour Peer) and Jim Murphy all designed to end HBOS independence.

Natiionalisation (and eventually sell of to a third party) is better for jobs and customers than the Lloys Bid. If you have shares in HBOS, vote NO.
21

noswod,

Honestas 15/11/2008 10:27:58
HBOS is already nationalised so what. Stevenson should be kicked out he has lost the bank now he wants surrender it to Lloyds TSB. Using fear is a base tactic to frighten the wee shareholders of HBOS not to vote against the capitualation to Lloyds TSB. Vote against vote for your own interests rise and rebel you wee shareholders
22

Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 10:44:32
Am I right in thinking that in essence what we have here is a conflict of interests between shareholders and their concern for the value of their shares and bank workers and their concern about the number of job losses that a merger will lead to?
And am I also right in thinking that the conflict can only be resolved by putting it to shareholders to vote on?
If so, then the words 'turkey' and 'Christmas' come to mind. Unless, of course, there is much more nobility among HBOS shareholders than one might expect.
23

TWC,

15/11/2008 10:54:35
24 happy english,Kent

for now yes, £ = $1.47 and €.17. Europe may own you by this time next month.
That's how badly managed we've been. Don't kid yourself You need English Autonomy just as much as we need Scottish Autonomy.
24

TWC,

15/11/2008 10:55:42
24 happy english,Kent oops

for now yes, £ = $1.47 and €1.17. Europe may own you by this time next month.
That's how badly managed we've been. Don't kid yourself You need English Autonomy just as much as we need Scottish Autonomy.
25

bluehead,

edinburgh 15/11/2008 11:01:00
there's the smell of Brown and Darling hovering about
here, I wouldn't trust that pair,and to think they are supposed to be Scotsmen,!!
they are two people Scotland could do well without.
in the creepy world of politics they reach even lower depths than usual.
26

Dijit,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 11:11:27
Don't bet on private Lloyds TSB shareholders nodding this through next week when we meet.
I am attending for the very first time to voice my anger.
The week after it's RBS's turn. Personally, I would rather see RBS put into receivership that have the government rape and pillage it any further. The break up value is likely to exceed £1/share.

Interesting that HBOS were offering me mortgages last week, up to 75% over any term I liked. Staff said they have no restriction on lending.
So how are they managing without the injection of funds? Very well it seems. The new money won't affect anything except balance sheet ratios.
Shareholders should vote a resounding NO. They are being robbed blind with the encouragement and conivince of their government. They should however replace the directors who should be shot for their lying statements made on the 17th. September.
27

TWC,

15/11/2008 12:15:30
33 happy english,
Atleast our council tax is frozen, we won't pay for prescriptions, our kids don't pay fees,we've stopped PFI and next year PFI goes on the Balance sheet,etc.

AND we voted that big vindictive dour disaster out!
I'm awa tae suck a lemon to get the smile off my face.
28

TWC,

15/11/2008 12:21:42
I've been looking at my Investments and there are only 2 which are moveable short term but If HBos stays Independent I'm moving everything over the long term to HBoS and RBS.
Because I'm really not accepting this
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antp,

15/11/2008 12:24:59
happy_english & hoots, et al, i think we are missing the point here slightly, let's go back to serious debating instead of slagging each other off. as for living in the gutter with a giro and a drink, it's the best place to be at the moment, i'm sure in the coming months in going to be joined by a lot more people - mainl ex ankers i think - but eh? there's still room for us three, bring a bottle if you're coming.
30

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 12:30:04
Happy english you are letting the we women down, if you can't post anything sensible, why don't you just shut up.
31

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 12:30:37
oops a stray ''the'' crept in when I wasn't looking.
32

Gordiedoonsooth,

Engerland 15/11/2008 12:33:06
www.independenthbos.com
33

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 12:37:35
49 I don't think so, those who boast of success rarely achieve it. Look at me, I am very modest. Do you have a comment on the article ?
34

Guga II,

Rockall 15/11/2008 12:39:22
Has this Lard been bought and paid for the same as Hornby?
35

Calummac,

15/11/2008 12:39:59
One of the previous wise men of the treasury slated Brown, Darling and King.

According to him (independent forecaster) the gov't is the one likely to bring down HBOS and RBS with 12% prefs.

I know who I believe!
36

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 12:45:06
53 So you don't have a comment on the article, I refer then to my original point, why don't you just shut up.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

15/11/2008 12:54:31
I would hardly call it a scare tactic - more like a statement of the blooming obvious. If the merger does not go ahead nationalisation really is the only realistic alternative to HBOS going bust.
38

TWC,

15/11/2008 13:01:27
45 happy english,

And I don't owe a single penny to anyone, if I were ony allowed to pay my taxes in Scotland rather than England I'd be even happier.
39

TWC,

15/11/2008 13:03:05
45 happy english,
Hope you don't get involved in an accident still you can't be disfigured!!
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 13:07:41
Oh dear, retail therapy and a ''face'' for me, what is she doing commenting on political stories ? Maybe she overdosed on botox or peroxide. She sounds like the sort that needs both.
41

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 13:10:04
Retail therapy in Maidstone ? You won't find much there. Poor dear.
42

TWC,

15/11/2008 13:11:21
59 Observer. 1
What is she doing out of the kitchen
43

Ewan M,

15/11/2008 13:44:54
I do agree that HBOS should be kept independent to support competition and jobs right throughout the UK.

However, I do protest to ridiculous post like #3 Tris, who is degrading Scotland to support his own Nationalist agenda.
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Dylan fan,

Planet earth 15/11/2008 14:01:19

Gee I wish I were a genius in finance, but alas..still I do see Scotland is the Cherry On Top, for England, they just can't seem to imagine themselves without it.
I wish you Scots could actually own your own Bank,especially since it already has your name on it..
Just know you will make it to Independence with or without cooperation from England...
45

Lyni,

Edinburgh 15/11/2008 14:10:28
As a small shareholder I will most certainly vote against, as I hope many will do. I am totally sick of the scaremongering of these people, they allow the bank to get into this mess then they threaten us with all sorts, I think they must be living in cloud cuckoo land if they think I have any respect for anything they may say they must be delusional. I say good riddance to him and Hornby, but no doubt they will be popping up again in some cushy job, I just hope it has nothing to do with Scotland.
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Son of one of Stirlings finest,

15/11/2008 14:16:11
18# Black Five,
I am intrigued as to the orogin of your name, was it taken from the wonderfull,and ubiquitos steam locomotive, the Stanier class 5 mixed traffic engine.If anything ever deserved the title of mans finest achievement , the Black 5 would get my vote.
47

TWC,

15/11/2008 15:13:43
Whit aboot that score in the Rugby Scotland 10 SA 0
48

TWC,

15/11/2008 15:42:55
we are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
49

Melly,

Dunblane 15/11/2008 16:40:24
Losing Scottish businesses to English and other foreign interests is part of the union dividend
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15/11/2008 17:42:58
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the.ally ,

max 15/11/2008 19:25:50
Has everyone seen laughing-boy Brown-the-Clown on The Herald website? He's photograped from a grovelling knee-high position by a Herald photographer; what a sickening photograph, and an even more sycophantly article by Torcuil Crichton. Have these brown-nosers got no self-esteem?

Laughing-boy Brown-the-Clown looks a right tiwat as well; sticking his obtuse belly out thinking it's his chest; what a knob. The rest of the G20 have ignored him because last week he said he was 'leading the world with his financial economic policies'; I mean, what complete and utter delusional rubbish.
This guy's an embarrassment.

I have to laugh at the Tories and Osborne crying about laughing-boy Brown-the-Clown spending all their future government money; isn't that what the Tories are encouraging Lloyds to do with HBOS; hypocrites, they don't mind Scotland getting shafted but they don't like it when it comes to themselves.
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire coast 15/11/2008 19:38:42
61 and 62, good points you have made ally,if HBOS is in such financial crisis as Lord Stevenson says, then the bank is surely trading illegally,and he is breaking the law, it really smacks as a massive stitch up. The proposed merger is bad for HBOS employees,bad for customers, bad for business, and bad for Scotland.
53

Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Burgh Ayrshire coast 15/11/2008 19:44:57
64 Lewis, your not the only one, but we seem to be in the minority for now, but the truth will all come out in the washing.
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the.ally ,

max 15/11/2008 19:45:37
Wendy Alexander is prosecuted for not disclosing political donations.

At the height of her trial, the Lord Goldsmith for the prosecution attacked a witness saying, "Isn't it true, that you accepted five thousand pounds to compromise this case?"

The witness stared out the window, as though he hadn't heard the question.

"Isn't it true that you accepted five thousand pounds to compromise this case?" the lawyer repeated loudly.

The witness still did not respond.

Finally, the Lord Hutton, judge, leaned over and said, "Sir, please answer the question."

"Oh," the startled witness said, "I thought he was talking to you."
55

Churchill W.,

15/11/2008 19:48:30
the.ally # Brownlie/McKellerator/Ayrshire Scot/Aberdeenshire Scot/Union Is Best +++

You would be better railing against George Osbourne MP in his attempts to drive the pound down. When you lot vote Tory at the next UK general election you will get the ToryPublicSchoolBoy Osbourne chancellor that you want; then who will be to blame for Scotland's decline? Those of you that thought you were indulging in tactical voting by voting Tory. David Cameron will claim legitimacy for his policies following an increased vote in Scotland.
David Cameron will not allow, ever, Scottish independence. Irrespective of your protestations, it will not happen. Cameron will block it however, come what may. Cameron will not go down in history as the Tory PM who allowed the Union to slip through his fingers. Ever!
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the.ally ,

max 15/11/2008 19:50:25
Dave, Lewis, you both are completely correct; this has the hand-print of laughing-boy Brwon-the-Clown all over it. Where do politicians draw the line for criminality?

It's another world for these elite criminals isn't it.
I'm off for a beer.
57

Churchill W.,

15/11/2008 19:55:41
the.ally # 68

With the cr*p that you have posted so far, it is clear that have been on the beer all day, all night, yesterday and forever before. Get some sleep nugget!
Salmond is proud of your posts, but, he is not very bright either.
58

WL,

livingston 15/11/2008 20:20:21
Better nationalised than taken over by Lloyds TSB.
59

Bejjy,

15/11/2008 20:36:44
#61 the_ally

As a HBOS shareholder I will vote for whatever is best for me and not for what loud-mouths like you want me to do. #69 Churchill W, is right, you are a nugget. Lay off the booze for a few days and you will feel a lot better.
60

Nevsky,

Moscow 15/11/2008 20:53:19
67 Churchill#

What a stupid post, just how do you expect Cameron to block Scottish independence if the majority vote for it?

Make no mistake, with Cameron as PM the Scots will vote for independence, the dream scenario for the SNP which will divide the Labour party (who undoubtedly have members who are pro-independence but not pro-SNP).

Can't wait!
61

Churchill W.,

15/11/2008 21:13:11
Nevsky # 72

Taking a rough punt here, you believe in Salmomnd's utopia?
62

Churchill W.,

15/11/2008 21:19:36
Bejjy # 71

Follow my leader; Salmond is only doing what is good for Salmond.
Keep taking the money Salmond, because it will run out soon in your independent Scotland; except for you! Snout, trough, Salmond; big boar!
63

Churchill W.,

15/11/2008 21:23:14
What is Salmond's total income since he became First Minister of Scotland?
How much Salmond?
64

Churchill W.,

15/11/2008 21:44:40
Salmond has delivered nothing but lies and broken promises since he became FM at Holyrood. Now he wants to destroy HBOS. If LTSB walk away what is Salmond's recipe to rescue HBOS?
There aren't any stones in Scotland big enough for Salmond to hide under once he has ruined HBOS. Salmond is gambling with our future, but, he is not playing with his own money.
65

TWC,

15/11/2008 21:56:50
74 Churchill W

I'm not a nat but Salmond has done more for Scotland in 18 months than New Labour ever did.
Bi Brown's days are numbered and the sooner the better.
I'd rather some other party deposed Brown but even SNP are a thousand time better than New Labour.
66

TWC,

15/11/2008 21:57:49
Hbos needs an independent review. Not Salmond nor Brown but a Banking guru
67

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 22:16:22
Churchill, I recommend you read ''The Triumph of the Political Class'' by Peter Osborne. Now, he's a bit of a Tory, but discount his own personal perspective and it is a revelatory narrative describing how the Labour Party has been taken over by careerists, with no connection to the principles which led to the very ceation of Labour. TWC you would greet at it. It shows how the Party has been taken over by careerists, and their own self interest is what drives them.

My point in mentioning that is to draw a clear contrast between them and Salmond & Sturgeon et al. They are conviction politicians who believe in an independent Scotland. That is what drew them into politics, not dreams of personal enrichment - they would have joined the Labour Party if that was what they were after.

So your repeated posts such as the ones at 74 and 75 are clearly nonsense, Churchill.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 15/11/2008 22:27:22
TWC - the merger did get an independent review by the Office of Fair Trading which saw reason to refer it to the Competition Commission. It clearly identified disadvantage to Scottish businesses and consumers. This was further confirmed by Edinburgh Council's submission. Even the Financial Times are questioning the merger, which was announced in September, prior to the October bail out. That should have changed everything, but mysteriously didn't.

Lord Mandleson's haste in overturning the OFT recommendations, which will mean that the UK are in breach of EU rules is astonishing, as is the Treasuries active hostility towards any alternative to the merger.

Anyone who can't smell a rat here doesn't have a nose.
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Hermann,

Norway 16/11/2008 11:45:09
The gutter newspaper News of the World reveals disgusting and decadent behaviour from HBOS executives staying at a hotel near Chester. They also ruined a wedding party.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/73610/HBOS-Sex-and-cocaine-shame.html

Here is an extract:
____________________
“ OUR snouts-in-the-trough bankers are at it again. And this time their depraved antics in a sordid drug- fuelled ORGY are even harder to stomach.

For today we reveal how a swaggering group of HBOS executives had sex with a naked female colleague at a hotel after one of them SNORTED COKE off her BELLY BUTTON.

The loadsamoney louts also WRECKED a wedding weekend— keeping guests awake by hammering on their doors through the early hours.”
_____________________

In my view HBOS needs nationalising and an enforced clean sweep - starting from the top.
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the.ally ,

max 16/11/2008 18:22:13
Chorcull, is it always your demeanor to attack other posters on forums? Or, are you just small-minded?

As others have said, it's not up to David Cameron when Scotland gets independence, it's up to the Scottish people. It seems you are the 'nugget' sir. Vote how you wish, but remember,
Scotland never forgets self-serving greedy traitors like Hornby and Stevenson.
allymax.
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the.ally ,

max 16/11/2008 18:56:53
Bejjy, now you've gone and hurt my feelings with your name-calling. How will I ever recover from your verbal mauling?

If you think Chorcull 'is right' you both appear to be the 'nugget-duo'. Vote how you wish, but remember, Scotland never forgets greedy self-serving traitors. The shareholder institutions should be aware of this. The names of these financial institution shareholders of HBOS will come out, and if they vote for the takeover, then self-serving greed will be surpassed by the vehemance of Scotland's people and nation. Make no mistake, Scotland will find them and exact appropriate measures.

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Ian from Gala,

Galashiels 16/11/2008 23:02:35
As a shareholder in both HBOS and Llyods TSB, and someone who cannot afford to see my savings dwindle, I also think that retaining competition and promoting the independence of the Bank of Scotland is much more important than the UK Government think. Thankfully the Scottish Government and many leading lights in Scotland agree. I hope that Gordon Brown will order a review now that the initial panic is over, and help to restore the credibility of anti-monopoly legislation.
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getinnnn,

Scotland 16/11/2008 23:55:02
UUummmmmm Brown's increased spending plan....I'm no economist but....every time I hear Him speak it is "increased borrowing and increased spending"; right through His chancellory.....where does it all come from and where does it all go?: If there is no "kick start" then there's going to be one hell of a big explosion somewhere: It feels, to Me, like air getting pumped into a huge "debt" tyre....better if te countries start learning to live within their means....

 

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